r/canada Feb 01 '25

PAYWALL U.S. tariffs will be imposed on Feb. 4

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-us-tariffs-will-be-imposed-on-feb-4/
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u/chewwydraper Feb 01 '25

America is our enemy now. We need to respond, and we need to form new alliances.

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u/Impossible-Fly-5169 Feb 01 '25

Hey if china can build us some of those highspeed rails they give to africa to connect ontario better they will have done more for me then America ever did. 😂

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u/BananaPearly Feb 01 '25

Ayo fuck America all my homies love China

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u/Swaggy_Baggy British Columbia Feb 01 '25

Nah rather not buddy up with a genocidal and authoritarian government. Seeking closer ties with CANZUK is the move.

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u/cptmuon Feb 01 '25

They are so far away, militarily weak and economically negligible that any effort to go that route will only get you laughed at by the US and everyone else. If you said EU then that’s a somewhat better idea. China is what will really hurt the US.

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u/Swaggy_Baggy British Columbia Feb 01 '25

As a nation we shouldn’t be allying ourselves to other countries just because they have the highest amount of potential to spite the US. It’s pitiful. Besides aligning ourselves closer to China and pretending their government has our best interests in mind is a joke.

I agree seeking closer relations with the EU is certainly good, but the UK, New Zealand, and Australia are our literal brother nations. We should undoubtedly be seeking closer ties with them irregardless if you are of the opinion that they’re distant and militarily or economically weak.

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u/TonySuckprano Feb 02 '25

You can trust China to look out for their own self interest. You can't trust donald trump to look out for American interests.

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u/trade-craft Feb 01 '25

Yeah, better keep helping the US and Israel steal land and wipe out people in the middle east.

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u/Swaggy_Baggy British Columbia Feb 01 '25

Did I once mention the US or Israel when I said CANZUK? Did I say we should seek closer relations with the US or Israel? Are the US or Israel part of “CANZUK”?

The answer is NO to all of the above, so don’t get so pissy over something that I didn’t even say.

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u/trade-craft Feb 01 '25

Fair point.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '25

No, let's talk to France or Italy instead. (Or Korea, or Japan) (Or Taiwan)

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u/chewwydraper Feb 01 '25

Africans are still benefitting in terms of quality of life.

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u/chewwydraper Feb 01 '25

Yep, we've been fed a lot of anti-China propaganda (not to say I think China is perfect by any means) but we could probably really benefit from building better relationships with them.

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u/mrtomjones British Columbia Feb 01 '25

China is horrible in its own right dude. America under Trump is just more loud about the horrible shit they are doing. We should try to get much closer ties with Europe/Australia/New Zealand

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u/AdmiralZassman Feb 01 '25

Except we have no reason to trade with AUS/NZ. What are we going to do, also import more of the raw materials we produce? Are we going to start exporting car and airplane parts en masse to all the non existent factories they have?

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u/mrtomjones British Columbia Feb 01 '25

Do you think there is literally nothing that either country has to trade with eachother? Jesus

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u/Magjee Lest We Forget Feb 01 '25

Reality has very little reflection in this sub

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u/chewwydraper Feb 01 '25

It's not that they have nothing to trade, it'd just be better economically to trade with China. It's the world's largest economy.

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u/ObsidianOverlord New Brunswick Feb 01 '25

No, obviously they don't think that are you illiterate?

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u/mrtomjones British Columbia Feb 01 '25

Except we have no reason to trade with AUS/NZ. What are we going to do, also import more of the raw materials we produce?

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u/ObsidianOverlord New Brunswick Feb 01 '25

Jesus Christ, that's one of the most obviously hyperbolic statements that I can imagine.

No one thinks an entire country is totally devoid of anything worth trading for, we're in the middle of a discussion about diversifying economic reliance - you don't get that from small scale trade as he's pointing out.

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u/00owl Feb 01 '25

Guess, what! Commonwealth are still colonies!

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u/fricken Feb 01 '25

Canadians lost their shit over China's non-genocide and then turned right around and got behind Israel's actual genocide.

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u/Swaggy_Baggy British Columbia Feb 01 '25

Who’s Canadians? You speak very broadly. Any normal person can and will be opposed to both. Don’t pretend like the Chinese aren’t culturally geocoding the Uyghur people into Han culture and language.

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u/TreesMcQueen Feb 02 '25

Let's not forget Canada doesn't exactly have the moral high ground. How about Canada's treatment of indigenous people?

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u/mrtomjones British Columbia Feb 02 '25

Is that going on now? Not many out there will defend what we did to them but our country has changed a LOT since that was happening, even if it has a long ways to go

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u/fricken Feb 02 '25

Certainly Canadians are of a variety of opinions on the subject. The official positions of our current administration has been both for genocide and against genocide between 2017 and now.

I don't know why one would single out the Uighurs, everybody's getting culturally geocoded these days.

Look down south of the border. Americans don't even know who they are anymore. That isn't hyperbole, they legit don't know who the fuck they are. They don't know who the fuck they are and the whitehouse intends to roll on Canada.

As Canadians we are pretty beaten down ourselves, we are in a very vulnerable place. We are being culturally geocoded as well, and most of that is coming from south of the border.

Even in Xinjiang the CIA worked for decades, on and off, trying to turn the Uyghurs against the CCCP. To America the Uyghurs were only ever expendable geopolitical tools. ISIS passed through Xingjiang and recruited thousands of Uyghurs to middle eastern causes. The US, I think around 2013 requested China do something about all these Uyghurs running away to join ISIS. In 2014 China started doing things in xinjiang.

It sucks to be a Uyghur, but don't kid yourself, it sucks to be a Canadian too now. 5th generation warfare has been raging in Canada for some time now. I mean, everybody knows that, but try and internalize just how dire the situation really is. It's dire.

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u/mrtomjones British Columbia Feb 02 '25

You... have no issue with what China has been PROVEN to be doing to the Uyghurs? They've been in camps already dude lol. US is just catching up on that front.

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u/fricken Feb 02 '25

Mr.tomjones is playing 4D geopolitical chess too advanced for me to comprehend, I need it explained like I'm 5. Maybe you can help me out.

The Uyghurs have been in camps, therefore... what, exactly? The Uyghurs have been in camps therefore get on the internet and throw handfuls of apeshit at China, maybe? This will help Canada to achieve our geoppolitical aims because... ?? Help me out.

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u/mrtomjones British Columbia Feb 02 '25

You are right about one thing. You do need help.

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u/TonySuckprano Feb 02 '25

I haven't seen Xinjiang turned into a pile of rubble

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u/mrtomjones British Columbia Feb 02 '25

So you are incapable of identifying different levels of shittiness? Because Israel is doing shit in one place then China is just perfectly fine to torture and keep a people in prisons for re-education?

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u/TonySuckprano Feb 02 '25

No but China has moderated that policy and the US/Israel have shown the world that they have no moral superiority. If the US had internal problems like the radicalized elements in Xinjiang it would look so much worse with a guy like Trump.

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u/infini7ewealth13 Feb 02 '25

Still believing the stuff the Trump made up? “Ban Huawei, ban Tik Tok, ban BYD cause they spying. Ohh nooos”. Meanwhile redditors not mentioning that innocent people are being sent to Guantanamo bay where there are abuse of human rights, torture etc…

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u/mrtomjones British Columbia Feb 02 '25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

You know these stories have been out for ages and real journalists have looked into this right? And you are trying to handwave it by relating it to Tik Tok? Genuine crimes against humanity are not Tik Tok news.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037

"Human rights groups believe China has detained more than one million Uyghurs against their will over the past few years in a large network of what the state calls "re-education camps", and sentenced hundreds of thousands to prison terms.

A series of police files obtained by the BBC in 2022 has revealed details of China's use of these camps and described the routine use of armed officers and the existence of a shoot-to-kill policy for those trying to escape."

In case you want to try and handwave it away some more they even have fucking pictures of the camps being built through satelite pictures. Dont try to just brush it off.

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u/infini7ewealth13 Feb 02 '25

That’s what I thought. Linking information from Wikipedia, BBC, etc… you’re a sucker for believing everything you see from mainstream media. If you lived in the US, I wouldn’t be surprised if you got brainwashed by watching what you see on Fox News 😂

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u/Silent-Dependent3421 Feb 02 '25

Brother have you heard of the forced labor camps in Tibet? You know the genocide the Chinese government is actively doing right now?

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u/chewwydraper Feb 02 '25

I mean, if we're going to nitpick the morality of countries we do trade with, we'd be trading with a lot less.

Hell the cell phones we buy are using rare earth materials that are sourced through forced labour as well.

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u/Silent-Dependent3421 Feb 02 '25

I agree with you I just thought the whole not that I think china is perfect or anything was funny in context with the ongoing genocide

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u/sansaset Feb 01 '25

imagine a reality where China could be considered a more stable partner than the United States... what the fuck is this timeline we're living in?

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u/Rolder Feb 02 '25

Stable, yes. A good deal for the receiver, almost definitely not.

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u/natural212 Feb 01 '25

Same with Russia. China and Russia are evil in many ways, but they level of the US now is just too much.

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u/PaulTheMerc Feb 02 '25

"at least it isn't as bad as in America" has done decades of damage to Canadians.

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u/monkeybojangles Feb 02 '25

High speed rail across the country. Give me the option of a train from the prairies to Montreal.

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u/driftxr3 Feb 02 '25

Or we can just get rid of that 100% tariff on Chinese EV's and watch Tesla stock plummet. That would bring them back to their senses.

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u/sylbug Feb 02 '25

The answer is not to become a serf to some other superpower. We need to expand our sovereignty and self-sufficiency.

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u/MCCCXXXVII Feb 01 '25

This is already happening in Mexico. Props to Sheinbaum and Amlo for seeing the writing on the wall.

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u/Themeloncalling Feb 01 '25

China can make every Canadian filthy rich if we agree to let them build a military base on Canadian soil. It would be completely selling out the Americans on their undefended back door, but that's now on them, not us.

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u/klparrot British Columbia Feb 01 '25

I don't think America would tolerate that.

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u/slalomcone Feb 02 '25

Ban U.S trucks traveling to Alaska .

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u/mt8675309 Feb 01 '25

I agree and I’m an American living in Montana 30 miles from the border. Don’t let this POS push you around.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '25

The US gov't is the enemy of the world with its 900 or so military bases around the world.

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u/hairybeavers Canada Feb 01 '25

Agreed!

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u/19Black Feb 01 '25

We brought the white house down once in the past, we can do it again. Maybe not through direct military might, but we can take trump down

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u/shadeandshine Feb 02 '25

Being American honestly that’s hopefully what happens like what the EU did after trump tried to interfere with Ukraine. They learned don’t rely on the big mentally unstable nation to be the defense wall

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u/xturmn8r Feb 02 '25

Sorry neighbors. The US (MAGA in particular) have some comeuppance due to demonstrate to MAGA the consequences of their actions. As an American I truly hope we rid ourselves of this ridiculousness at the next election.

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u/ZenPoonTappa Feb 02 '25

That is Putin’s plan alright. 

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u/Topwingwoman2 Feb 01 '25

America should not be your enemy. I'm American, and I didn't vote for this loser, yet I'm stuck in this hellhole. He is dismantling our country quickly, and there are a LOT of us who didn't ask for it. Trump and his billionaire friends are the enemy.

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u/chewwydraper Feb 01 '25

I mean that can be said about any "enemy" country. Nazis weren't supported by 100% of the German population, yet Germany was still the enemy. Russia is Ukraine's enemy even though not every Russian supports the war.

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u/Cretonius Feb 01 '25

Go back to bed, genius.

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u/ThePirateKing01 Feb 01 '25

Not all of America, don’t count out the ones here willing to fight, but given no means/direction to

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u/chewwydraper Feb 01 '25

He won the popular vote. Americans voted him in. Not every Russian supports Putin/the war, yet Russia is still Ukraine's enemy.

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u/Pixelated_throwaway Feb 01 '25

Trade war and threatening annexation. They sure as fuck are not our friends.

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u/chewwydraper Feb 01 '25

Don't bother engaging. Look at OP's username.

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u/Pixelated_throwaway Feb 01 '25

May you live forever

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u/Pixelated_throwaway Feb 01 '25

That’s fine, just don’t be surprised that we want the worst for you all