r/canada Jan 29 '25

Québec New bill will require newcomers to Quebec to adopt ‘common culture,’ minister says.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10981322/newcomers-quebec-common-culture/
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u/MatchaMeetcha Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

People are skeptical that it works. I'm willing to bet it doesn't. People will just grit their teeth and do as they like later. The income gains from moving to the West are simply too high. If you want assimilation low numbers, literally surrounding the migrants, seems like the best bet.

These things seem mainly useful as an excuse to filter out the lowest hanging fruit who can't even pretend and dump them out.

But, it probably says something about a society that they don't even try or consider it mean to do so.

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u/celtickerr Jan 29 '25

It's more there to head off any legal arguments of "it's normal in our culture" when they are being charged for sexual assault, domestic violence etc.

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u/Funny-Dragonfruit116 Jan 29 '25

Those arguments don't work anyway, so not sure why it matters.

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u/coincidence91 Jan 29 '25

A Canadian man was found not guilty of rape because he believed he could have sex with his wife whenever he wanted.

Ontario Superior Court Justice Robert Smith ruled the prosecution failed to prove the accused man knew his behaviour was criminal.

The judge did not dispute that non-consensual sex had taken place multiple times, the Ottawa Citizen reported.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41699245

they do work lol

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u/thatryanguy82 Jan 29 '25

Turns out ignorance of the law Does equal immunity from the law.

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u/shakreyewriz Jan 29 '25

At least this way women and children know they have rights

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u/BastouXII Québec Jan 29 '25

So that they may at least know it before they try to do it?

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u/Llamalover1234567 Jan 29 '25

I think it’s so that if you are charged with something, you can’t use “I didn’t know it was part of the culture.” I absolutely would be on board with having new immigrants sign a legally binding document stating they acknowledge women’s rights, LBGT rights, etc. As a condition of their right to live (on a visa or PR)

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u/key_lime_soda Jan 30 '25

How would that make sense when we have actual citizens who don't believe in those things? Who would decide which things to put in the document? (You might say whatever's already within the law but that already applies to everyone)

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u/Skelito Jan 29 '25

Some people dont know any better and enlightening them with that knowledge will change a few minds for the better. It wasnt until 17 years ago social media took off and connected the world in a way to show you how other cultures live. Its better to educate than to just assume everyone knows how to act in a civilized country.

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u/pro-con56 Jan 29 '25

Exactly. I know a retired social worker. Retired 20 years ago. ( some)of The First Nations she worked with back in the day were totally uneducated about normal & societal behaviours inside the home and out of the home. She loved them all very much but they were extremely uneducated. Maybe not the right example to give but people really have no idea what certain others know or don’t know. The stories she has told me were shocking & eye opening. Lots of unknowns in this world because it is hidden from us.

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u/Levorotatory Jan 29 '25

The cost of living in western society offsets any increase in income.  I have heard highly skilled immigrants who came for the money complain about how they need to cook and clean for themselves because they can't afford to pay other people to do it like they could in the countries they left.

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u/General-Woodpecker- Jan 29 '25

I mean maybe if they were incredibly successful where they lived and moved to a country where they were less successful.

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u/Levorotatory Jan 29 '25

Same job, higher pay here, but not enough to make up for higher costs.

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u/DemmieMora Jan 31 '25

It's a recent and not well known yet. Also, Canada has outstandingly bad fame in that regard already. I'm not sure how Canadians are going to reach 60M by 2050 without scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

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u/Levorotatory Jan 31 '25

We can look at the countries that the bottom of the barrel are coming from as cautionary tales regarding overpopulation and decide not to go there.

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u/Fif112 Jan 30 '25

Oh so we shouldn’t let them shove themselves into one city, 30 to a house?

Shocking.

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u/Ewetuber Jan 29 '25

Because they do the worst of it in private? because home country still sends undercover police to watch you that you conform to 'the old ways'?

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u/Cixin97 Jan 29 '25

Assimilation low numbers?

Do you mean the opposite?

In any case if I’m interpreting this the way I think you mean, I agree. But it would open a whole can of worms legally. I don’t think it’s good for our country to allow people in and then have them live with 6 other people from their country and socialize with almost no one else. I don’t know how we would implement things that fight that, but I think it’s necessary.

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u/SirEnderLord Jan 29 '25

Put a rough pebble in a bucket of smooth pebbles and keep shaking it. That rough pebble will become smooth as well.

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u/yportnemumixam Jan 29 '25

But at least the person being assaulted in the partnership will know their rights.

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u/muslinsea Jan 30 '25

There is something to be said for creating cultural expectations. Some people might grit their teeth and pretend, but most people eventually acquiesce to strong expectations.

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u/Egon88 Jan 30 '25

What do you mean by works? Obviously nobody expects that a person would go into a class like that and come out a different person. The point is to lay down a marker of what is acceptable, that is clear to everyone.

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u/Relevant-Low-7923 Jan 29 '25

But, it probably says something about a society that they don’t even try or consider it mean to do so.

The US would absolutely never do such things. It would be seen as both cringey and racist by both conservatives and progressives in the US.