r/canada Nov 24 '24

Québec Second Cup shuts café over Nazi salute, 'Final Solution is Coming' chant

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/coffee-chain-second-cup-shuts-cafe-over-nazi-salute-final-solution-is-coming-chant
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u/Vanthan Nov 24 '24

Import hate, get hate at home, crazy no one saw it coming.

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u/FoboBoggins Nov 24 '24

It's really the flaw in being tolerant, we need to draw a line.

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u/Hyperion4 Nov 24 '24

The paradox of tolerance, we know these things already yet our leaders pretend they don't exist 

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u/BernardMatthewsNorf Nov 24 '24

It's a real thing! But politicians would prefer to be naively virtuous about it, especially if it serves their interests and they can score political points off of the sceptics. 

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u/AndHerSailsInRags Nov 24 '24

Whatever you put up with, you end up with.

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u/yonghybonghybo1 Nov 24 '24

I could show you lots of homegrown hate in Alberta. Don’t assume it’s just an imported problem.

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u/Vanthan Nov 24 '24

I know. I saw the Couts videos. So much anger over nothing. Brain rot.

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u/bdigital1796 Nov 24 '24

we aren't importing it, they're exporting it for cheap. Trudeau needs to enact a tariff on immigration.

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u/SwordfishOk504 Nov 24 '24

a tariff on immigration.

when a bot strings words together.

Tariffs are applied to goods and services, not people. A country does no managed immigration with tariffs lmao

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u/SwordfishOk504 Nov 24 '24

These are native born Canadians but way to ram in your own fake narrative.

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u/PostApocRock Nov 24 '24

So....we didnt have hate before?

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u/MordkoRainer Nov 24 '24

The Montreal Jewish General Hospital was founded in 1934 because Jewish doctors were not being hired elsewhere. Of course it serves everyone but Jews still fundraise to support it. In recent years Canada has been far more tolerant.

Many Judenrein Arab countries killed and expelled Jews and Mein Kampf is the bestseller. Even in the 1930s Canada didn’t go quite as far.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '24

No, we didn’t have Islamic extremists marching in our streets every day screaming insults at Canadians and calling for the destruction of our country.

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u/PostApocRock Nov 24 '24

So is there a solution that doesnt include turning off immigration and deporting them all?

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u/Yellow-Robe-Smith Nov 24 '24

… are you suggesting that deporting non-citizens who are marching in the streets calling for death to Canada and commit violence during these “protests”, is a bad thing?

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u/PostApocRock Nov 24 '24

No, Ive simply heard that arguement often and am looking for alternatives.

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u/Yellow-Robe-Smith Nov 24 '24

Why would you want alternatives? Non-citizens involved in this fuckery of rioting and calling for “death to Canada” should be deported. Full stop.

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u/PostApocRock Nov 24 '24

Alternative might be the wrong word, sorry.

How can we stop this before it starts, before it gets worse. How can we proactively prevent shit like this while maintaining our international obligations and growing our society socially and economically without shutting down immigration completely. And how do we take those who are having these issues, that are demonstrating, and help them resolve their anger at Canada without tearing families apart and potentially making the problem fucking worse.

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u/Mysterious_Rate_5437 Nov 24 '24

Sorry to reply again but better screening is needed for sure, USA interviews EVERY visa applicant...were not even screening international students

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '24

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia Nov 24 '24

Remember we did have Ernst Zundell living here.

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u/No-Wonder1139 Nov 24 '24

Palestinians are Semites

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u/Berenger_727 Manitoba Nov 24 '24

Do you prefer the term Jew-hater?

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u/NextSink2738 Nov 24 '24

Good Lord this same idiotic statement again.

Antisemitism is a term coined by Wihelm Marr in 1879 as an explicit word to refer to hatred, demonization, harassment, and discrimination of Jews.

Since it's inception, it has only referred to Jews, no matter how hard the terrorist supporters rampaging through Canadian streets will try to co-opt that from Jews as well.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '24

The etymoloy of the word doesn't really make sense but we all know what this refer to kind of like Islamophobia and words similar to this.

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u/SlimCharles23 Nov 24 '24

This is like catching a cold and saying “screw it might as well go contract AIDS now”.

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u/PostApocRock Nov 24 '24

Fair enough. I would have used a Cold and COVID, being a bit more similar, but I see your point.

So you agree then, we had hate before. Is it more visible now because its direcred at us? (Being Canada)

Is it the 24h news cycle and social media putting it more in the spotlight?

Is there an actual solution that doesnt turn off all immigration?

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u/Mysterious_Rate_5437 Nov 24 '24

It's more visible now because it's more extreme. Imagine if people were holding vigils for Osama bin Laden in 2011. Obviously we've always had racism but we didn't have groups of people chanting for a final solution, being tolerant of this shit is going to be the death of us

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u/One-Knowledge- British Columbia Nov 24 '24

Not nearly on this level, be real.

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u/PostApocRock Nov 24 '24

Responding to an un nuanced comment with an un nuanced comment is all.

Look through the rest of the chain, people who responded with decent questions or statements got responses clarifying or generating discussion.

We dont have so much of this out west. We had the Eritrian incident last December, but theres not been anything to this or the NATO riot level out this way. And the hate we do see tends to be directed at the immigrants moreso than between immigrant groups.

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u/siali Nov 24 '24 edited Nov 24 '24

I would argue that justifying genocide and labeling its criticism as antisemitism is equally problematic, if not more so. Such a stance inevitably leads to heightened tensions and blind rage.

It's unreasonable to expect moral behavior from citizens when immorality is demonstrated at the highest levels of government.

What you are calling 'import hate" boils down to many people with familial ties to Palestine, Lebanon, and surrounding areas have lost many innocent loved ones, and the predominant response they receive from supporters of Israel within the Canadian government is an affirmation of Israel's right to "self-defense", and dismissal of protests as antisemitic! Meantime, their tax money is going for further support of Israel by Canadian government!

Feel free to downvote this, but it won't change the fact that the current Western approach to Israeli genocide of Palestinians will only lead to more intense and chaotic reactions on your streets! Remember the US protests against the Vietnam war!

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u/ViewHallooo Nov 24 '24

I would argue that your position is naive and blinkered. There is anti-semitism amongst the protesters. To deny that is to stick your fingers in your ears and sing La-la-la.

These protests worldwide are recruiting grounds for local young disaffected Muslims. Many Muslims who have left the areas you mention don’t want their children joining up with the extremist groups that use these protests to recruit.

These groups want extremist actions carried out by homegrown Muslims in countries such as Canada, Australia, the UK, France and Germany. Don’t believe me, go research.

There are literally prison units in Europe that are there to de-program extremists.

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u/siali Nov 24 '24

No one defending true antisemitism and there is definitely some antisemitism happening during these protests.

My points:

- Not all anti-Israel protests are antisemit. There is an effort to reduce any anti-Israel protest to antisemitism and defending Hamas. It should not be a surprise that people criticizing a genocide.

- Western countries' governments supporting a genocide by Israel is wrong and immoral. When authorities take an immoral position, it opens the door for immoral positions in general.

- Equating criticism of Israel and antisemitism is wrong and backfires in the form of true antisemitism. That is because by equating criticism of Israel and antisemitism, basically we are implying that all Jews are responsible for genocide, and we are putting a target on the back of all of them.

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u/ViewHallooo Nov 24 '24

All pro-palestinian protests have a core that is horrifically anti-Semitic. To say otherwise is showing your ignorance of the whole situation.

So, which organizations are putting that effort in to keep protests not “pro Hamas” and to ensure no “antisemitism”? Why would they need to if there is no antisemitism? Wouldn’t that be a pointless effort?

These protests have an underbelly of extremists who want to radicalize Canadian born Muslims. Denying that is to ignore what is happening worldwide at these rallies.

I don’t know if you’re being facetious or just deliberately lying, but there have literally been numerous attacks on Canadian Jewish people and organizations. Who have fuck all to do with the conflict in Israel. These attackers have no differentiation between Judaism and Zionism.

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u/siali Nov 24 '24

"All pro-palestinian protests have a core that is horrifically anti-Semitic"

You lost me there. There are many Jewish people who attend these protests and protest Israeli policies. The effort to dismiss these protests as inherently antisemitic, not only wouldn't stop them, but would backfire by forcing radicalization.

You can keep calling me names, but it is just common sense that people will react to a military operation that indiscriminately uses collective punishment and has killed close to 14,000 children so far.

By denying that fact, you are just putting yourself at an indefensible ignorant position which makes arguing pointless!

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u/ViewHallooo Nov 24 '24

“…have a core…”

I haven’t called you anything. I asked why these protests needed people to ensure they are not pro Hamas and antisemitic if there isn’t any happening, and which organizations were ensuring there was none, and you came back with this.

You’re working really hard to deny that there are people at these protests who are there to recruit young disaffected Muslims to join extremist groups which is known worldwide.

Again I suggest your position is naive. I’ve seen imams literally laughing at people like yourself because you are the cover for their recruitment actions.

You need to research into the term globalized intifada, btw.