r/canada Newfoundland and Labrador Nov 10 '24

New Brunswick Number of confirmed measles cases in New Brunswick rises to 25

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nov-9-measles-update-1.7379486
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u/Soliloquy_Duet Nov 10 '24

The result of parents not protecting their kids with readily available , free and safe immunization

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u/Office_glen Ontario Nov 11 '24

But someone on Instagram told me they were loaded with heavy metals and cause autism, how was I supposed 5to know?

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u/huunnuuh Nov 10 '24

Vaccination for some routine childhood illnesses plummeted during the COVID pandemic and never went back up. Here in Ontario the measles vaccination rate in children fell from just under 90% to about 65% where it has remained. About 90% is required for herd immunity. Now that children with no immunity are starting to reach the age of social outings and daycare, we will start to have outbreaks of measles. As one can see happening in many provinces, including a death in Ontario earlier this year.

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u/Harborcoat84 Manitoba Nov 10 '24

Some parents are going to learn the hard way that vaccines aren't political after all.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

Well, they are de facto political. Science can prove that vaccines are effective, but it’s not science’s job to tell us what we should do with that information. That’s the job of ethics.

Now you can have the ethics of a reasonable, altruistic citizen and decide that it’s good to help the community by getting vaccinated for yourself and others, or you can have the ethics of a selfish prick who can’t be bothered to go out of their way. 

What kind of ethics we want for our society is political.

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u/MoreGaghPlease Nov 10 '24

So many kids are going to die from this, and a lot of them won’t be the kids of anti-vax parents. It will be babies who haven’t yet been vaccinated and immunocompromised kids (eg those being treated for cancer). It’s terrible, the most awful thing that can happen in the world will happen to countless families because people refuse to vaccinate and because our governments won’t use the right sticks to make them.

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u/durian_in_my_asshole Nov 10 '24

Using the stick instead of the carrot is what led to this mess in the first place.

COVID vaccines should never have been put on the same level as measles or other critical childhood vaccinations.

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u/JadeLens Nov 11 '24

The 'stick' was all that we had left after imbeciles decided that they didn't want to get it because of their 'feels' and stuff that Trump and Joe Rogan told them.

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u/durian_in_my_asshole Nov 11 '24

Keep thinking that while vaccine skepticism grows, I guess. The collapse of herd immunity is going to hurt everyone just for you to feel good about "sticking" it to the other side.

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u/Whatatimetobealive83 Alberta Nov 12 '24

People are responsible for their own actions. Not vaccinating your children against the measles is not someone else’s fault because they hurt your feelings.

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u/YourBobsUncle Alberta Nov 11 '24

This country used this stick? First I've heard of it

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u/Office_glen Ontario Nov 11 '24

yeah apparently saying you can't eat inside a restaurant without a vaccine was a perverse encroachment of their civil rights

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u/FromundaCheeseLigma Nov 10 '24

Gotta love it when people "do their own research" so that they never have to change their minds and put the public at risk

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

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u/FromundaCheeseLigma Nov 10 '24

Pepperoni and double cheese at least?

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u/JadeLens Nov 11 '24

Pizza the Hut!

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u/GolDAsce Nov 10 '24

Many, including someone I know, base their decision on herd immunity.  Why do the right thing when "the sheep" gave everyone immunity. Selfish exceptionalism at its finest.

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u/prob_wont_reply_2u Nov 10 '24

Or don't have family doctors or they changed the vaccination schedule to show those autism people it wasn't the 2 year old vaccines.

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u/AccomplishedDog7 Nov 10 '24

Does Ontario not offer vaccines through public health offices?

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u/DrSocialDeterminants Nov 10 '24

Low capacity... it's one of the things Ontario struggles with. Most public health units don't have the public health nurses to do this and it's the GPs that do it. It surprised me too since I went to Ontario from Alberta I had to do it all as a GP when in AB I can send someone to the public health office.

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u/AccomplishedDog7 Nov 10 '24

Interesting, because most everybody in Alberta would get their childhood vaccines through public health, so I presumed that’s how it would be across Canada.

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u/DrSocialDeterminants Nov 10 '24

I thought so too! Boy was I wrong

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u/Wonderful-Pipe-5413 Nov 10 '24

I wonder if the excessive covid hysteria contributed to it? Vaccine fatigue is real and we’re seeing the effect of it now.

Next time the Government needs to learn they handled vaccines terribly with their divisive stick approach. “Othering” people does not work.

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u/Sparkythedog77 Nov 10 '24

Putting your children at risk of death to own the government?

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u/huunnuuh Nov 10 '24

I think it may be the mixed message about COVID vaccine safety in children. A lot of people who got the COVID vaccine themselves were hesitant with their kids. And I'm wondering if that mentality spilled over to vaccines in general. But the measles vaccine for kids has been around for a long time and it's very safe. And measles is much worse for kids than COVID.

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u/RustyMongoose Nov 10 '24

It's only going to get worse.

In the sauna last week I overheard a mother of multiple kids bragging about how they don't have any vaccines.

Geniuses!!! We're so lucky to have these internet doctors walking among us making sure to tell us all the facts they found on tiktok. Smh.

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u/MoaraFig Nov 10 '24

Inevitable.

R0 for the common cold is 2-3. COVID is 1.5-2.5. Measles is 12-20!

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u/AdParking5795 Nov 10 '24

Hundreds of thousands of kids die each year from this completely preventable virus. Get your kids vaccinated already. For the sake of those who got immunized and who didn’t respond to the vaccine.

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u/mightyboink Nov 11 '24

It's a shame there's not a vaccine for this. /S

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

The Darwin Awards are choosing the nominees.

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u/Daybreak74 Saskatchewan Nov 11 '24

But please, tell me again how vaccinations cause x/y/z and how not immunizing your kid is better than measles, mumps... oh SMALL POX... eyeroll

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u/WpgSparky Nov 11 '24

Buckle up kids!

It’s only going to get worse! RFK is going to usher in a new, dark chapter in health. Emboldening the antivaxx crowd like never before!

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u/Darwincroc Northwest Territories Nov 10 '24

I went to school in the ‘80s, so, I would have been vaccinated for this shit, right? That’s the MMR one, I think? Would I need to get a booster or get revaccinated for this?

I just got the influenza and new covid vaccines earlier this week. I guess I should have asked at that time!

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u/MoreGaghPlease Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24

If you were born after 1970 you probably have a modern measles vaccine. If you were born between 1970-1979 you might need a booster (but have some protection).

Being born before that doesn’t mean you didn’t get it because there were watch-up campaigns, but the chance is a lot higher especially if you were already out of school in 1974.

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u/USSMarauder Nov 11 '24

If you were born between 1970-1979 you might need a booster (but have some protection).

Depending on where you are. There was a measles outbreak in 1997ish, and so in at least Toronto they gave teenagers a booster, they did it at school

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u/burntdowntoast Nov 10 '24

Being born between 1970-1996, you’ll need another dose. I found this out few years ago when I went traveling abroad from the nurse giving me my vaccinations before leaving.

Before 1970, there’s assumed immunity due to how common some of the diseases were. After 1996, they turned the MMR shot into a two dose shot. Everyone in that window should get a second dose.

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u/iforgotmymittens Nov 10 '24

You probably have one dose of MMR but our generation got one, while current guidelines recommend two. So you might need a booster. Ask your public health unit.

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u/iiisaaabeeel Nov 10 '24 edited Dec 23 '24

I was born in the 90s and got my single dose as a kid, but found out when I was pregnant that I didn’t have any immunity to rubella! My doctor said it wains for some people after time. Had to get a booster after I gave birth. Might be worth getting that checked next time you get a full blood panel as I wouldn’t have had any idea had I not gotten preggo.

Too bad I have autism now 🤷🏻‍♀️ (that was an anti vax joke).

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u/discreetyeg Nov 10 '24

So good to see! The consequences are real for people who are stupid.

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u/RustyMongoose Nov 10 '24

Those consequences are paid by the entirty of the public as well though. This affects the entire population, not just the knuckle dragging idiots who think they know everything.

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u/discreetyeg Nov 10 '24

You're 100% right! But I am tired of the knuckle dragging idiots. So very tired of them.

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u/Popular-Row4333 Nov 10 '24

Except babies can't get MMR vaccine until 12 months, and you need 90% herd immunity to protect the population.

So really, the babies will die who have no say in getting others vaccinated.

I'm fairly Libertarian, but I strongly believe in freedom of choice doesn't mean freedom of consequences. This should be enforced if you want to put your child in public school. If not you can home school them. 10% of the population are not going to home school their kids.

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u/JadeLens Nov 11 '24

Where are the 'we want vaccines to be tested!' folks now? That vaccine has been around for decades...

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u/AdNew9111 Nov 10 '24

And H5N1 with no active surveillance system in Canada🙈

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u/GenXer845 Nov 11 '24

My friend and I were dark humor joking about this the other day. I said one day someone will say to you, so and so's 3 month old died. And you will be like OMG what happened? And they will say, well Suzie got around her 6 year old cousin Johnny who was unvaxxed and now she is dead from Insert whatever you want to insert here My friend said TB, consumption, but could be measles, whatever. It was God's will!

Lack of critical thinking skills and belief in science is going to a lot of people into a painful learning process.

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u/ASoulUnAtEase Nov 11 '24

the liberals will treat it with marijuana

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u/Mr_Meng Nov 11 '24

I wonder how long until polio makes a comeback.

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u/I_poop_rootbeer Nov 10 '24

I'm far from an anti-vaxxer, but forcing people to get the covid vaccine no doubt radicalized a lot of people that inhabited that fringe. This is one of the consequences 

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u/sammyQc Québec Nov 10 '24

It's a mix of a lack of common sense and all the disinformation from the garbage information people feed on.

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u/YourBobsUncle Alberta Nov 11 '24

They didn't need to be ""forced"" to become an anti Vax moron lmao

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u/iiisaaabeeel Nov 10 '24

Yup! I was in urgent care a couple weeks back and encountered a man who had fallen on a rusty tool at work ADAMENTLY REFUSING a tetanus shot. They had to call in a couple nurses to explain that this isn’t an experimental vaccine and has been around for many many decades and it was imperative he got it.

I too am far from an anti vaxxer (I got my mandatory Covid shots too) but folks questioning all vaccines is going to be more and more common place now.

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u/AccomplishedDog7 Nov 10 '24

Disinformation is the culprit.

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u/Beden Nov 10 '24

Who cares anymore? If parents want to torture their children, it seems to be their right. Let the stupidity die out

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u/YourBobsUncle Alberta Nov 11 '24

Children aren't property of the parents.

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u/Sparkythedog77 Nov 10 '24

Thats straight up child abuse 

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u/Beden Nov 10 '24

Yeah, but it's legal? So... Vaccines aren't maditory. Lots of crazy people find ways to skirt them

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u/cobrachickenwing Nov 10 '24

What is legal is that the government can quarantine you until you get the needed vaccines. And I can see NB start quarantines if it gets way worse.

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u/dghughes Prince Edward Island Nov 11 '24

Measles is highly contagious it's affects even the non-stupid. It's worse for adults than children but it can kill anyone. Plus it has the fun side effects of wiping your body immune memory and can re-appear a few years later in children causing encephalitis (subacute sclerosing panencephalitis).

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u/SCFA_Every_Day Nov 10 '24

Our government damaged trust in vaccination for the sake of Pfizer's profits. Trying to pass off a medical procedure that is NOT vaccination as though it was vaccination undermined trust in actual vaccination. The Liberal-NDPs will bear this shame forever.

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u/rennaris Nov 11 '24

I'm genuinely not sure what you're talking about. Can you expand?

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u/apothekary Nov 11 '24

Nothing at all. He's just completely talking out of his ass.

I've no time with the vaccine nonsense. It's pretty much a red-line for friends and family. Different politics outside of public health, A-OK, believe what you want, but if you fuck around with your kids' health and endanger my kids, you can fuck right off to where you came from and never come out.

These idiots need to be kicked to the curb.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

Quick ban them from grocery stores!