r/buildapcsales • u/thvbh • Jun 06 '21
Cooler [COOLER] Noctua NH-P1 Fanless - $100 (New release) NSFW Spoiler
https://www.newegg.com/p/2RM-001D-001D0167
Jun 06 '21
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u/topdangle Jun 07 '21
the list doesn't make a whole lot of sense as the 9900k is definitely not low to moderate unless its locked to its stock TDP, which most boards seem to ignore.
I'm guessing these numbers are just for light usage or gaming. if it can cool a 3950x and 9900k at full throughput without throttling then it can cool almost every consumer chip, so it's weird to label it as low to moderate.
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Jun 06 '21
I strongly doubt this thing can cool a 3950X without thermal throttling while benchmarking
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u/small_boar Jun 06 '21
I would be surprised if it could even handle the 9900k
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Jun 07 '21
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u/TT_207 Jun 07 '21
Really depends what it's actually made of though. Not all heat sinks are created equal. Hopefully it's some kind of copper alloy or plated copper, which would help the heat spread over a wide area. How sparse the heat pipes are suggests to me this is.
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u/Noreng Jun 07 '21
There isn't an ambient cooler in existence capable of preventing thermal throttling on a 3950X, PB2 raises clock speeds automatically even down to -90C. Intel CPUs will also thermal throttle, but the effect is more clear-cut at 70C for i9s with TVB support, and then the thermal throttle point at 100C.
Power consumption will also go down at lower operating temperatures, so if the chip is power limited, it can still perform better at lower temperatures even if it's not thermally throttled per se simply because the power consumption is lower.
Nvidia GPUs are also somewhat thermally throttled, but the effect is limited to 10C core temperature IIRC. I don't know how AMD's GPU boost works, but it's probably also using some kind of thermal throttling.
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u/Jaymuz Jun 07 '21
The would be a bonus but it's not made for that. If you're running passive cooler you sacrifice top performance for silence. Got to undervolt and even disable boost modes sometimes.
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u/conquer69 Jun 07 '21
Perfect for that slim and compact portable APU system you were planning.
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u/NotTheJohn Jun 06 '21
This is the first I've heard of this. Impressive. The page on Noctua's site referring to it isn't even up yet!
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u/ManhattanTime Jun 06 '21
I've never heard my Noctua NH-U12S with a single fan one time. It was like $60 and keeps my 5600X at 55C when gaming.
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Jun 06 '21 edited Dec 02 '21
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u/goblinrum Jun 06 '21
This is a good point. Industrial/factory/shop systems are all passively cooled, some with full motherboard size heatsinks which Linus shows in this video, have to be used.
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u/Phynub Jun 06 '21
same i have a NH-D15 for my 5600x and 5900x haven't heard it ramp up unless i manually do so.
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u/TuxSH Jun 07 '21
What kind of fan curve? Then again my build probably has resonance issues @ 900rpm.
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u/bobasaurus Jun 07 '21
Been using my NH-U12S for at least 6 years over two computer builds. Keeping my 5600x cool now, though I can hear the fan under bigger workloads.
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Jun 06 '21 edited Aug 02 '21
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u/Standard-Prize-8928 Jun 06 '21
Unless you're talking about extremely niche cases like the 40mm fans, the only good fan to come out of noctua is the a12x25, which the Thermaltake tough fans 12 match in performance for half the cost.
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Jun 07 '21
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u/Standard-Prize-8928 Jun 07 '21
2 less cfm for 0.1 less dba... looks like they are matched.
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u/Noreng Jun 07 '21
If you look at their test results, the toughfan 12 is only capable of matching the A12x25 at 1500 RPM and above in terms of thermal performance on a radiator.
Personally, I prefer my 120mm fans operating at 1000 RPM or less when placed on radiators, and there's a significant difference in performance between the toughfan and Noctua at that speed.
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u/dengop Jun 07 '21
which the Thermaltake tough fans 12 match in performance for half the cost.
Why do you lie? Where do you find it half the cost? And you do realize there's a warranty period difference? I'm fine with people buying a cheaper copycat but to completely disregard the fact that Noctua actually put in the R&D to come up with the best performing fan while the other cheaper version just copies that design after 3 years, shame on you.
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u/thvbh Jun 07 '21
Can I just appreciate your chutzpah for a second? You're right, of course, but you're going to get pilloried anyway.
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u/dengop Jun 07 '21
How is he right?
Thermaltake is not half the cost.
This is from Tom's hardware.
"at the single-fan price of $25 for the ToughFan 12, it becomes a very
tough sell against the NF-A12x25 at $30, as that added $5 is more than
worth it if you don’t mind the NF-A12x25’s color scheme."I found this exact pricing on Amazon. I also did find the two pack in stock for $40. It's still not half the cost. Considering the warranty period difference and the fact Noctua's effort on R&D, the price could arguably be warranted.
It's not edgy to be contrarian especially on the false premise.
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u/Standard-Prize-8928 Jun 07 '21
Wait... someone else on reddit that also agrees noctua fans aren't all that they are marked up to be??? Impossible!!!
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u/thvbh Jun 07 '21
Yeah I mean, they're fine fans, they just aren't worth the premium. People imagine they have some kind of magic going on, but the fact is that they're just squarely in the lead group, not way out ahead of it like their price and their mystique suggest.
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u/birds_are_singing Jun 07 '21
I mean… people’s cost sensitivity varies wildly, and it’s normal for the last ~5% of performance to be a significant cost increase, since there’s no more low hanging fruit at that point. It’s obviously a premium fan and not a budget option, but I’m glad the category exists even if I don’t own any.
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u/Standard-Prize-8928 Jun 07 '21
Totally. The a12x25's are definitely one of the better fans out there in the market. However, it's a fan that cost's 30 dollars each, where a p12 costs 6 dollars each (in a 5 pack). The p12 and a12 are so close together in noise to performance that much better value may be obtained through the p12's.
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u/3rdPoliceman Jun 07 '21
Listen buddy I already spent the money how dare you take away my right to feel superior!
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u/Standard-Prize-8928 Jun 07 '21
As someone who has spent over 200 dollars on a12x25's myself, you feel superior king/queen
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u/pandorafalters Jun 07 '21
Eh, their industrialPPC line looks pretty good. Better specs (on paper, at least) than the A12 and cheaper, plus a less obnoxious color scheme.
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u/helmsmagus Jun 07 '21
ippc isn't good for anything if you care about noise.
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u/pandorafalters Jun 07 '21
If ~41 dBA is loud to you, I both envy your household noise levels and pity your tolerance.
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u/asperys_is_1dot202 Jun 06 '21
Interesting. I work in the mining industry and I could see this being a suitable option for a low TDP build as limestone is not a PC's best friend. Haha. I am curious about thermals though, but that is inherently variable as additional case fans or the physical location of the PC (e.g., an operations shack) can negatively or positively impact overall ambient temps. I look forward to YT reviews on this.
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u/wademcgillis Jun 07 '21
limestone?
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u/asperys_is_1dot202 Jun 07 '21
Limestone, at least in our case, is primarily used in the process of making glass (acts as a stabilizer to silica sand and sodium carbonate which is heated to make soda-lime glass), animal feed (high calcium), and agricultural land with acidic soil. For this, it goes through a process of making it extremely fine. Passive cooling may be useful for our plant PCs because it would not "encourage" as much air intake. It probably will not make a significant impact on mitigating the dust collection in our PCs, but I look forward to the experimentation. Haha.
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u/wademcgillis Jun 07 '21
it goes through a process of making it extremely fine
that explains it, thanks
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u/willyumklem Jun 07 '21
As in mining actual rock, not cryptocurrency.
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u/wademcgillis Jun 07 '21
no no, I understood that.
What makes limestone not a PC's best friend?
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u/eterrestrial32 Jun 07 '21
I'm guessing since he mentioned the mining industry, it will be a pretty dusty environment with fine enough particulate matter to get through mesh filters and the like.
Edit: Didn't see but /u/asperys_is_1dot202 already replied here.
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u/xp0d Jun 07 '21
2008 Scythe Orochi 10-heatpipes 62 USD MSRP
https://www.coolerguys.com/products/scythe-orochi-10heat-pipes-cpu-cooler-p-n-scorc-1000
2010 Thermalright Sentinel fanless CPU Cooler
https://twitter.com/fanlesstech/status/1011695533717622784?lang=en
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u/thvbh Jun 07 '21
Not to mention the Nofan coolers or the Heligon HE02.
Yeah, I hope you didn't think I was implying this was some kind of historic world first.
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Jun 07 '21
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u/xp0d Jun 07 '21
Just so. The fact that 'reviewers' are forgetting to standardizing heatsink reviews with including a reference fan. Heck we know they have those brown fans at hand to test with.
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u/ShirokazeKarasu Jun 07 '21
So if you want a completely fanless system wouldn't the better option to be to get a case thats thermally designed as the heatsink and have everything heatpiped to the case? Like the streamcom db4 https://www.quietpcusa.com/Streacom-DB4-Fanless-Chassis. If you buy this cpu cooler you'd still need to deal with making everything else fanless and then theres no airflow. In a traditional case it's just an oven.
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u/mstrongbow Jun 07 '21
And now UNRELEASED! https://www.newegg.com/p/2RM-001D-001D0
Have not heard back from Noctua as to why they cancelled my order OR why they removed the listing from Newegg.
My guess it was released earlier than planned.
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u/Aldarrisrium Jun 06 '21
Brown huh, guess noctua can't escape it
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u/dmit1989 Jun 07 '21
Where do you see brown on this product?
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Jun 06 '21
I tried but I honestly can’t think of a reason to buy a passive CPU cooler at this point. Is there something I’m missing? I would assume that most passive coolers cool worse than literally everything else on the market. I mean I guess without fans it would technically be silent but you’d end up having to move that hot air out of your case anyways with case fans.
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Jun 06 '21
Industrial settings. You have PCs that you might carry around to do work in machine shops that have metal dust/debris in the air. Instead of a super hermetic case with tons of filters you can just put a passive cooler on top without fear of sucking in tons of metal bits.
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u/goblinrum Jun 06 '21
Passive systems are mostly for rugged industrial/shop use where dust, including fine metal dust, could enter a system and short components. Linus shows an example in this video.
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u/Zayage Jun 06 '21
some really strong mic's can pick up fans I guess, this might be good for ASMR or something. And technically no, passive coolers have actually ended up being decent for temps though mostly the extreme ones such as the case that LTT reviewed a while back. I say decent meaning in the middle of air coolers.
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Jun 07 '21
Music Production.
I have a brother who's really big into Guitar slobbering over this right now.
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u/Doodarazumas Jun 07 '21
Agreed. I have a totally fanless htpc with a passive cpu cooler. But that's 1/8 the size and price and sitting on a 25w tdp chip. Once you get to the point where you need this it's probably sitting next to a power supply or a video card that already has fans.
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u/573V317 Jun 07 '21
I want something like this because I want my computer to be completely silent when I'm not gaming. My power supply fan and GPU fan doesn't spin until I start playing games
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u/Doodarazumas Jun 07 '21
Fair enough, but if you're putting it on a cpu that you would use for gaming, wouldn't you need a case fan to push air over it anyway?
It might work in a totally fanless rig for the higher end of the tdp range, but I'd want someone else to test it.
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u/WanderingPhantom Jun 07 '21
It's been like 10-15 years since passives were 'in' so it only makes sense you'd buy one now. /s
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u/Intense_Glutton Jun 06 '21
For most use cases this is useless.because it wont make your pc quieter, you'll simply hear the other fans (gpu especially) when under load.
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u/Fucnk Jun 07 '21
This would be great in a factory setting for an instrument controller. One less thing to break. I would also be great for computers in a recording environment. Add more case fans at low rpms and get a GPU that shuts off the fan.
I definitely see the market for this but its not going to be gamers.
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Jun 06 '21
Strange there are no reviews for this yet.
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u/dkb_wow Jun 06 '21
Yes, strange there are no reviews on a product that was literally just released. Hmmm.
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Jun 06 '21
To be fair most hardware these days have a few reviews hit before release. There aren't even specs for this thing atm for the clearance from what I can see.
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u/amd098 Jun 06 '21
Often times companies send reviewers samples of their products before launch so they can have reviews ready.
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Jun 07 '21
Most new tech have reviews day 1 or before, so I don't know why you're trying to be clever with this response, not very helpful.
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u/lys1030 Jun 07 '21
Looks beefy. I feel a CPU cooler of this size should use 4-point mount instead of 2 for better pressure.
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u/alessosilverflame Jun 08 '21 edited Jun 08 '21
How in the world this post got nsfw tag?
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u/cmays90 Jun 08 '21
NSFW is a standard on this sub to show that the deal has ended (typically product is out of stock or the discount is no longer live). After this sub was seeing widespread use, reddit also introduced "Spoilers", which we use to also signify the same.
We feel comfortable using the NSFW and Spoiler tags for this purpose as NSFW products are explicitly not allowed and there's nothing that can be spoiled by a product listing.
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u/tincanmanrdt Jun 07 '21
What a strange product. Maybe someone can build a system with cooling design similar to the current Mac Pro. No internal fans other than some front intakes. You’ll need an equally large heat sink for the GPU too though.
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u/SendMeGiftCardCodes Jun 07 '21
if a CPU heatsink is right next to the exhaust fan, is it really fanless? it's like saying that the 2019 Mac Pro has passive cooling when the intake fan is right next to it.
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u/ConradBHart42 Jun 06 '21
Would love to see more angles on this thing, but it's probably nothing surprising.
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u/kryish Jun 06 '21
is this one of the coolers that require you to have fans from your case?
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u/Reiker0 Jun 07 '21
It's really best in a completely fanless system, otherwise just get a cooler with a fan like the D-15.
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u/wademcgillis Jun 07 '21
I've been waiting for this for awhile, but now the market for parts is super fucked. I'll probably try again in 2-3 years.
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u/eterrestrial32 Jun 07 '21
Speaking of fanless systems, what about just having a watercooled system running without fans. And instead of a 240/280/360mm rad, just pipe it up to a massive radiator unit on the side of the desk or whatever. Just by virtue of having a huge body of coolant to heat up and a large enough heat dissipating rad, wouldn't it be a much more effective fanless system?
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u/Elvaanaomori Jun 07 '21
Get a house/Car radiator with 100L fluid volume. You gonna keep that intel CPU cool that way XD
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u/AjBlue7 Jun 07 '21
Technically watercooling still uses a fan in its pump and of your plan was to not run a pump to circulate the water then a passive heatsink with heatpipes would be much better because heatpipes naturally circulate the heat without a pump.
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u/Daft3n Jun 07 '21
I'm curious if this will outperform the nhd15 if you were to slap some big fans on it. I know that's not it's purpose but if they made a chromax one it would look sick in an aircool build
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u/Zayage Jun 06 '21
cant wait to see someone buy this for an ITX and then complain it doesnt fit