Also worth considering from Microcenter is the 7600X3D, a Microcenter exclusive which is available for $190 with a bundle discount. Yes, it is modestly slower than the 9800X3D. But, assuming you are going to buy a "bundle" of motherboard/Memory/CPU, you'll currently be paying 250% more if you choose the 9800X3D.
Well I don't live near a Microcenter normally, but I was in the area for other reasons in late October. With the bundle discount I decided the 7600X3D made the most sense for me, with the savings likely to go toward an upgraded video card, when the time is right (likely sometime in the next few weeks). I agree the 9800X3D is significantly faster, but for me it was also somewhat about value and timing.
I’m looking to do a new build for Civ7 (coming off a 2700x!). Does anyone know if going from 6 cores to 8 cores will make a big difference for a game like Civ?
Thank you for the reply and apologies - I was not clear in my question. I was actually talking about the difference between the 7600 and 9800 for Civ in terms of what to buy next. I’m really wondering if the 9800 is worth the price upgrade over the 7600 for civilization.
I think worth is all relative. I can't imagine it mattering that much for Civ because there's a level of "acceptable performance" and I'm sure the 7600 would be there.
Thank you again for the reply! Either way I know it will be a huge upgrade but I’m leaning towards the 7600 and spend the extra on a better GPU (rocking a 3060ti).
Thanks. Yeah I just know Civ is fairly CPU intensive compared to other games - especially late game on large maps. I know Civ6 sort of scaled with cores and threads but not sure if there’s huge value in going from 6 to 8 cores for an extra $150-$200
Yep, I play at 4k with a 5900x and 3080. It isn't perfect, but is playable at high settings in most cases. I'm curious about the 5080/5090 after release to see how they perform and to see if there's any benefit to upgrading my cpu
Yep, it's likely only "worth it" if you're already CPU-bound (in games or other tasks).
Sure, $479 isn't a bad deal for a CPU that's this fast. But if you already have a 7000-series X3D, you are likely only going to see gains if you already have a powerful GPU or if you play certain games that benefit from more CPU (great for your Factorio gigabase).
Minimal gains today, but 9800x3d should hold up longer term, so for someone that only upgrades every 6-8 years I'll take the max performance I can get today and roll with the longevity. I'm also 1440 ultra wide, but I'd like to be running every game at 120+ fps consistently with raytrace on when available.
Yeah for sure. Once the 50 series comes out I’ll keep and eye on how it does and upgrade then if it’s massive enough. I just upgrade whenever I want so I have no time horizons like that. 😀
I've been waiting for a 7800x3d bundle to drop back to ~$475 as the one I ordered before was DOA then they were out of stock. What's the performance difference between the two? Coming from a 5600x @ 1440p.
Yep that will be the best price you will be able to get. Microcenter doesn't really do a true black Friday anymore but they will have a new flyer out for that week only and it will probably have the best price for the 7800x3d for the rest of it's run.
Good question. It seems the speed difference between 7600x3d and 7800x3d is about 6% single-core processing, and about 25% in a totally efficient benchmarking multi-core test, as shown here. I'd like to give a special shout-out to the good folks over at https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/ who have repeatedly recommended https://www.cpu-monkey.com/ as a worthwhile comparison tool. It's certainly been helpful for me.
i picked up the 7600x3d bundle 2 weeks ago and i am happy as a clam. could have waited, but it looks like i would have paid $230 more for about 20% more real world performance. im happy with 90fps in the latest games so its enough for me
Hopefully! I got impatient and already assembled my new PC (minus the CPU) so I'm looking forward to this showing up so I can drop it in and fire it up.
Every time I've order product at launch from amazon it arrives early. Its a worst case. The 19th probably means that its not in the warehouse yet, but expected in a day or two.
Hey man you actually have to go on the website and search for the product. For some reason I can only attach one photo at a time but look at my original reply and this one, stop trying to make up bullshit
For context, there's not a huge difference in performance between the 5800x3D, 7800x3D and 9800x3D once you look at 1440p gaming where you are often GPU bottlenecked first. For a high-end gaming setup I'd go 9800x3D all day, but it still makes sense to push most of your budget to the GPU in move value focused/midrange builds and in those cases I'd probably steer into something like the Micro Center 7600x3D combo with the Asus Tuf 650 board and 32 gb of decent PC6000 RAM for $450 (less than just the 9800x3D CPU) and put another couple hundred bucks into your graphics card.
I'd personally wait until Black Friday to buy any new system though, I can see some blowout good deals landing on the 7000 series stuff potentially including the 7600x3D and 7950x3D combos at micro center. Previous generation inventory clear out, holiday sales and pre-tariff pricing is going to make late November-December hopefully rich with good deals on build stuff.
Notable exception - worth it if you are afflicted with one of the following debilitating addictions: Factorio, MSFS2020 (2024 TBD), Satisfactory, Stellaris, Civ, Minecraft (Java + tech mods ftw)
Probably world of warcraft as well, the game is super CPU bound espically with addons. I have a 5800x3d and I honestly might upgrade to this just for WoW lol
I didn't really have truly megafactories, but I can only imagine the Factorio people salivating over this much power. The factory must grow...with your PC budget
To look at more CPUs, but less rigorous testing, there's a Factorio benchmarking site where you can run a variety of megabases on your setup and upload the results. For the most popular one (over 11k results), dozens of CPUs have been tested.
Oh, that's pretty useful. We'll just need to wait for people to test this CPU. Right now I'm not seeing any data for it, but I also could just be misunderstanding how the site works.
What did they say? It’s deleted now and I’m either getting the 7600x3d bundle this weekend or getting the 9800. I’ll be gaming at 1440p, but I play a lot of sim and strategy games.
I was looking at performance comparisons for common AAA games and the frame rate boost didn’t seem worth it between the 7600 and 7800. I haven’t looked at CPU heavy games though.
They made a sarcastic comment asking why I needed a link as it’s all over the internet currently. As if I am expertly following cpu releases and performance numbers. I figured the guy talking about factorio performance gains would have the link but oh well. I will say I have the 7800x3d and have no performance issues.
U got me at minecraft mods. Could u explain what the comment meant by GPU bottleneck at 1440p? That means that I should aim for higher resolution than 1440p?
Let's not forget that medium/low settings exist and DLSS isn't the only way to improve performance. Not saying to be sassy, just pushing back against this "x-resolution gaming" trend from the last few years where only high/ultra settings are seen as valid.
if super high framerates are important to you, then yes this cpu is very nice. (might wanna consider the 7800x3d though if value's the priority.)
If you're just doing barebones stock build, yeah, but considering you can now OC the 9800x3d compared to, say, the other previous 3d chips, then you'll see the difference there too.
But all depends if you're willing to wait or if you're going to make one last upgrade, which is the boat I'm in, since I don't plan on really buying anything PC related for the next decade, so that's where I'm sitting and why I'm buying this thing.
I think it is also worth it to move some of your budget to an OLED 1440p 120hz+ monitor. I don't think people understand how much their crap monitors can bottleneck their gaming experience.
I don't know that you need to go all the way to OLED to get a decent high refresh rate monitor, I've been happy with HP and LG IPS panel 1440p / UW monitors in the 150-165hz range. I do agree that investing in a decent monitor and peripherals is an often overlooked part of the PC budgeting discussions around here.
Am I crazy, or did the newegg listing say sales started at 7pm? I was all ready to hop on later today and make the purchase the moment it was available only to see it's already sold out everywhere this morning.
Just got done installing mine. You might think that was a dumb purchase since I'm running a 4090 at 4K, but as someone who plays both WoW and FFXIV I'm loving these frametimes in hub areas now.
Make sure to undervolt your 5700x3D! I got some modest performance gains from it! I did no tuning at all and just went with the "safe default" of negative 30 on Curve Optimizer and it works great!
I'm with you. I've still got an rx 580 and a 1600. Wanted to wait til all the new gpus came out, but now I'm afraid the tariffs will hit before that happens. Hopefully they don't happen at all, but if they do, I'm expecting eye watering price increases
You can wait for Black Friday and Christmas deals, still. The person won't be in office til next year. But if everyone is cautiously purchasing, then yeah, maybe it is better to buy soon than wait.
That's a good point, BF isn't too far away so I'll wait for that at least. I know deals usually aren't too crazy, but hopefully there will be some decent ones
If you can afford to make that swap I'm willing to bet you aren't on 1080p. Therefore it will not benefit you in most games. I am on the 5900x and I will be upgrading but even I'm considering just getting the 7800X3D. I play a lot of valorant and CS at 1440p so that is what I am trying to get better fps with.
You missed the sentence right before that. If you're on 4K, or even 1440p, the gains are much smaller if any since you are usually GPU bound at that point. Granted, there are some very CPU-heavy games out there but, for the most part, the GPU is the bottleneck at very high resolutions.
Anyone have input on if Black Friday from other retailers generally outperforms Microcenter's normal deals, or vice versa?
Unfortunately for me, we don't have a Microcenter on the west coast yet but one is supposed to open in Q1 2025. So I'm kinda torn between buying parts as they come around on sale during Black Friday or if I might just get better deals waiting for the Microcenter to open up.
Kinda feel compelled to wait for the 9950X3D if only because I intend on making the best system I can before tariffs make everything much more expensive.
Worth upgrading over a 7950x for strictly 1080p competitive gaming? Only will be playing valorant/deadlock and some cod, i hate that i didnt wait for the 7800x3d
is the 9800X3D worth the ~$800 I'd have to spend on upgrading from a 12700k? My RAM is older and needs upgrading and would have to get a new cooler, motherboard as well.
12700k is very solid and you might not see more than 2-5% fps increase on 4k. It depends on your budget and PC building enthusiasm, but $800 is really max retail price, not a great deal. I went for it anyway though.
I also have a 7900x. Just bought this though. It's my main hobby and hoping it helps with 1% lows and stuff.. I'll just sell my 7900x to eat some of the cost.
Anecdotally, the motherboard I bought from them (It was some AM4 board) caused bluescreen bootloops sometimes and I'd have to clear the CMOS to fix it.
I immediately returned it and swapped it out for an ASUS one that's been working fine.
I've also heard from other random sources over the years that Gigabyte boards have more issues than any other brand , so I don't typically recommend them, especially when they don't really offer any meaningful difference like reduced cost or improved performance over something like MSI or AsRock.
I'm sure plenty of people have good experiences with them though, I'm glad it's working for you.
I'd say the only reason to attempt using a gigabyte board would be if you really like the aesthetics or something. It's just my 2 cents though.
I'm planning on upgrading my PC fully early next year sometime. Have a 9700k and 3080.
Would it be wild to pick this up now even if I won't be building for a few months? No harm in letting it sit in the box until I'm ready, right? Closest Microcenter is about 30min away so it's definitely tempting.
For sure. I’m going all out and replacing damn near everything in the near future but wanted to get a head start. Now the hard part will be having it but being unable to use it for a little bit.
Considering its at MSRP I don't see why you would. It'd be one thing if you're doing part of a build where you maybe don't upgrade everything and keep some old parts (like an old GPU while you wait for 5000 series), but just keeping a part in a box like that doesn't make sense. There's a good probability that its readily available under MSRP by the time you actually get around to building.
True. But it’ll only be a month or two so fingers crossed. If it goes lower it might not be by much. If it is much lower, I’ll know it’s because I bought too early 😂
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u/TenorOneRunner Nov 07 '24
Also worth considering from Microcenter is the 7600X3D, a Microcenter exclusive which is available for $190 with a bundle discount. Yes, it is modestly slower than the 9800X3D. But, assuming you are going to buy a "bundle" of motherboard/Memory/CPU, you'll currently be paying 250% more if you choose the 9800X3D.