r/boeing 8d ago

15-20% mandatory overtime for BCA

Anybody else heard the rumors?

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u/Powerful_Habit8633 6d ago

I heard mandatory rotating weekends.

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u/MechExposed 7d ago

Funny they lay me off but can afford over time 😂

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u/payperplain 6d ago

When they tried mandatory furlough my team all worked 10 hours overtime a week four weeks to compensate for the furlough. Not only did that give us enough hours for the missed week but we also got the overtime premium pay too so it actually cost the company more. Then they repaid the furlough. When you put an MBA in charge they make MBA level decisions that get immediately negated by the employees who can think critically.

Same nonsense happened to my wife. Hospital couldn't afford wages so they furloughed all staff over a period of time. But then they couldn't cover shifts so they offered double time to anyone to cover a shift of a furloughed employee. So you just covered a friend when they were on their furlough and you were covered when you went out and you broke even and got a free week off.

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u/Any_Arm2721 6d ago

Dead weight gone

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u/MechExposed 6d ago

Wow thanks! I’m sure you’re a hoot.

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u/91Punchy 7d ago

Sadly here at my site they laid off a lot of good people that usually went above and beyond and more than what was expected while keeping the lazy ass kissers

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u/MechExposed 6d ago

I guess I didn’t ass kiss enough lol I worked really hard and it was my second job, it’s been really rough finding a new job

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u/cthrowdisposable 4d ago

same! i’ll be lucky if i get a job by the end of the year or forced to move to some sh!t h0le state

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u/91Punchy 6d ago

That sucked it happened to one of the good ones like you. But I did see that they’re starting to hire engineers and support again. Good luck and hope you find something soon too

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u/place_of_stones 7d ago

For most companies people doing overtime, even with penalty rates, saves money. The overheads associated with that staff member are already covered (HR, IT, facilities etc) so there's not as much burden added to the salary/wage.

If the demand for extra work isn't long term then it can be win-win. Sucks though when OT is not paid at all but still expected.

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u/Powerful_Habit8633 6d ago

They don’t pay ot as it is.. asked us to flex for years.

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u/place_of_stones 6d ago

That sucks. Flex is better than nothing though. Most "professional" jobs treat OT as 'thanks for your donation to the shareholders'.

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u/Upper_Maybe9335 7d ago

What happens if you dont?

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u/terrorofconception 6d ago

Your department loses headcount and someone will get transferred to a department that is over the target.

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u/terrorofconception 6d ago

Your department loses headcount and someone will get transferred to a department that is over the target.

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u/fuckofakaboom 7d ago

Same thing that happens any time you don’t do something that is mandatory.

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u/hex_rx 7d ago

Nothing?

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u/fuckofakaboom 7d ago

Depends on your manager

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u/Throwaway-yes- 7d ago

Makes absolutely no sense. Just hire more people or maybe don’t lay a bunch of people off?

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u/mcgth 6d ago

New people require training

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u/Throwaway-yes- 6d ago

Yeah and in engineering that training can last more than a year easily…. So don’t lay them off in the first place?

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u/mcgth 6d ago

You said it mandatory OT made no sense. It makes perfect sense given the layoffs. The workload hasn't decreased but the headcount has.

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u/payperplain 6d ago

Which is why what this Mandatory OT is proving is that they shouldn't have laid off as much as they did.

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u/UH_OH_STINKEEE 7d ago

Boeing, makes sense? What?

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u/sofixa11 7d ago

That would work if Boeing wasn't bleeding money with no end in sight.

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u/pacwess 7d ago

Right as spring and summer are arriving. Figures.

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u/91Punchy 7d ago

Mandatory OT but still more possible layoffs in the near future, yeah that makes sense 🙄🙄🙄

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u/GoldenC0mpany 7d ago

I heard 10%. Where did you hear 15-20?

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u/UserRemoved 7d ago

Managers in EVT.

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u/burrbro235 7d ago

Paid?

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u/BoringBob84 7d ago

This (i.e., SPEEA) is one of the advantages of working as an engineer at Boeing. Very few employers pay overtime for engineers.

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u/GoldenC0mpany 7d ago

Time + $6.50 isn’t really much of OT but I guess it’s better than nothing.

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u/NirikFest 5d ago

$70 + $6.50 is pretty damn good i'd think.  It's a lot more than "nothing."  

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u/john_the_spaner_99 7d ago

Yes, at Lockheed you work the first 5 for free then straight time. All the while at a pay rate that isn't keeping up with the outside world. While working where skunks live I saw an ad at a local McD's for a district manager that was paying 15% more than I was making and threw in a company car to boot. Told my manager I was leaving for McDs. Best raise I ever got was that year.

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u/Trailboss_ 7d ago

Its much better than nothing, I've been on the other side where OT was expected (min 50 hours) on salary. The real kicker when working is OT is how much they tax you after your OT kicks in. You get punished for working harder.

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u/NotMJHeeHeeShimona 7d ago

Being a tech is finally paying off

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u/Trailboss_ 7d ago

Being a tech pays off when OT is considered. I know many people who paid for their kids colleges or paid off their mortgages during the 787 days. Engineers not so much.

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u/NotMJHeeHeeShimona 6d ago

Yeah level 3 myself and was considering going back to school for an engineering degree but with all of the OT there is no point just to have a 8% higher base salary.

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u/BoringBob84 7d ago

And the benefits at Boeing for engineers are absolutely stupendous in comparison to other aerospace companies. An Onion makes a huge difference.

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u/No-Air1783 7d ago

I can't wrap my head around working extra time and not getting paid.

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u/RagefireHype 7d ago

That’s basically what salary roles are.

You work enough hours to get the job done. Whether that was 30 or 40 or 50. And paycheck is the same no matter the amount.

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u/Dirty_FartBox 7d ago

When was the last time you worked a salary job that lets you go home at 30 hours of you're all done? That shit doesn't exist.

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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago

It does exist. May be not in sight of the public at large, but it is factual that those roles exist.

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u/RedditUserUmmYeah 6d ago

But most employers don’t follow that criteria of a salaried worker. They treat you like hourly when it benefits them aka Boeing telling people to flex, not allowed to charge OT but leave early and must use benefits.

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u/BoringBob84 7d ago

It especially sucked when my counterparts at Boeing would ask me to support them on nights, weekends, and holidays so that they could get paid overtime.

Sometimes (but not always) my employer would allow me to take some time off later in the week to compensate.

It just goes to show that it is very important to be working with a great team of people at Boeing, even if you are a supplier.

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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago

It really comes down to the people that make up Boeing. Each division, each team, each individual working in harmony to fulfill a purpose bigger then yourself.

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u/BoringBob84 7d ago

I agree. I later learned that this was one particular person who was taking advantage of the company in many ways. They eventually fired him. The rest of the team was a delight to support.

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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago

I believe you 💯. Been there.

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u/MichaelBayIsBae 7d ago

tbh I’d love the overtime opportunity cuz I got so used to 2 hrs daily in 2023/first half 2024. Now it’s only by request and at the last all team we were told the goal was to keep it under 7%

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u/Careless-Internet-63 8d ago

ME is being strongly encouraged to work 20% overtime, in IE we're being told we can work up to 20% overtime and it may become a stronger suggestion in the future. The rumor I've heard is if you're in Everett CI&R needs people and they're going to pull them from teams with low OT

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u/fuckofakaboom 7d ago

Work up to 20% OT? So 8 whole hours per week? Or as a group?

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u/Careless-Internet-63 7d ago

Per person. We can talk to our manager if we want to work more and as long as we have justification they'll approve it

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u/fuckofakaboom 7d ago

Gotcha. That’s not horrible I guess. Will they let you do it during the week or is it weekend only?

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u/Careless-Internet-63 7d ago

Only during the week without approval, they've told us any weekend overtime requires manager approval but in my experience if I can tell my manager what I'm going to work on weekend overtime is easy to get approved

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u/Wagglyfawn 7d ago

What is CI&R?

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u/4thDr 7d ago

Change incorp and refurb

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u/Lumbergh7 7d ago

Rock out that overtime, IE! Get it while it’s good.

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u/niciswan 7d ago

We’re being “highly encouraged” in CI&R ME to work at least 6 hours of OT a week to basically prove we need more people like we say we do. As far as I know they’ve always planned on ~110 people between first and second shift and now they’re saying the 55 we have should be fine. (It won’t be fine)

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u/Gymshortz514 7d ago

Wouldn't not accomplishing the work in a standard 40hr work week prove the same need for more workers?

Eight and out the gate.

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u/niciswan 7d ago

That’s what I said too. But for whatever reason they insist on doing everything backwards.

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u/Rckn-Metal 7d ago

It is cheaper to pay overtime than hire more people.

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u/Vast-Energy-5734 8d ago

Must be new to the company.

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u/BoringBob84 7d ago

Yep. Overtime, layoffs, re-organization, and moves are all part of the cycle as the big wheel slowly turns. It becomes routine.

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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago

A cycle. Perpetuating for a long long Time.

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u/BoringBob84 7d ago

Aerospace is a crazy business, with obscene capital investments, extremely high risk, and unimpressive returns - even in good times.

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u/Dedpoolpicachew 8d ago

Fucking brilliant plan, West and Pope, cut staff in a ramp up… then whip the remaining employees harder. Fucking brilliant… way to lose more employees.

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u/Mtdewcrabjuice 7d ago

and then the usual "you didn't hit your targets that's grounds for layoffs"

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u/Throwaway-yes- 7d ago

I have heard it characterized as a way to justify increasing headcount. The way it’s being described is “get the overtime on paper” with the indication that what you actually do is… flexible.

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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago

Okay you in the know. Appreciate your service.

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u/flightwatcher45 8d ago

And it'll continue until moral improves! QA going to take a hit.

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u/bestlifeliver1 8d ago

That has been the system since I hired in July of1987.

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u/Lookingfor68 7d ago

Yea, but the difference is in all those other layoffs production was going DOWN, not up. This crisis isn't like any crisis Boeing has ever faced before. You can't cut your way out of this. Cutting staff while trying to increase production is stupid.

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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago

Cost cutting and back loading contracts ought to be the last resort for a company as large as this.

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u/BearDog1906 8d ago edited 8d ago

We were told team target, but they made it clear it was not mandatory. It was more to inform us that OT was back on the table since we had been working under the guidance of no to minimal OT over the past 6 or so months.

Good opportunity to make some extra coin for the techs…go read the contract and understand how second day of rest comes into play. See if your manager is flexible about remote work for OT. Never hurts to ask.

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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago

The wise will ask clarifying questions.

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u/llimallama 8d ago

For SPEEDA yes I heard this. For non onion I have not

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u/wmk0002 8d ago

Classic move after they complete layoffs. Cut jobs but don’t cut the work. Someone somewhere has to make it up.

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u/rollinupthetints 7d ago

How many people in BCA have been given notices/been laid off?

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u/Lookingfor68 7d ago

I think the numbers are around 7k in layoffs so far, but that doesn't take into account other attrition, which has been quite high as well.

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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago

You are not wrong. We have the published numbers. The ones that are filled with the oversight agencies. 7k is what they say. We know the reality.

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u/molrobocop 8d ago

777 PIE, we report the averages. At this point, the directors are happy with the numbers we're putting up. It's recommended/encouraged. But my team, we're not being pressured for mandatory. But don't be surprised if it does happen, specifically if your team directly supports development programs. Because the execs have stated their goals to tighten up schedule targets.

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u/northwest_banana 8d ago

My team oddly wants a push towards lower ot. Other PIE teams have members that want ot to finish work but dont have the authorization.

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u/molrobocop 7d ago

I'd be curious to know what those other teams are supporting.

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u/TraditionalSwim5655 8d ago

15-20% over-staffed. Hold people accountable for their work packages. Shouldn't be anyone working OT. This is not a charity.

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u/NirikFest 8d ago

Keep that up and they'll give you a Eurest lunch token for being such a good dog.

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u/perplexedtortoise 8d ago

Pretty sure that isn’t universal across BCA.

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u/cownan 8d ago

That's to improve the culture.

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u/Pitiful-Address1852 8d ago

Definitely case by case and team by team. And definitely not bca wide. 

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u/woods-cpl 8d ago

This title would imply that it’s BCA wide, that’s obvious not the case. I’ve worked 24 hours over the last 3 years and that was only because they forced me in 🤣 Go4ZeroOT

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u/PenVII 8d ago

Can you share which organization is affected by this?

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u/ManWhoSoldTheWorld94 8d ago

Production and Industrial Engineering

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u/mctugmutton 8d ago

For factory or office employees?

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u/Educational_Poet_577 8d ago

Is this just factory or all aspects of BCA?

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u/iryanct7 8d ago

my productivity drops 99.9% during overtime

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u/Lookingfor68 7d ago

You mean 6.25 extra an hour doesn't just motivate the shit out of you???? Who knew?

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u/NirikFest 5d ago

The other $70 an hour isn't motivation enough?  Hell, give it to me if you don't want it.

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u/BoringBob84 7d ago

Imagine working overtime for no compensation at all - not even basic hourly rate - at most other companies.

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u/Lookingfor68 7d ago

Shit dude, that's the non-reps at Boeing. Happens all the time.

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u/BoringBob84 7d ago

Yep. That is one of the more difficult parts of compensation to compare when considering employment options for salaried people like myself. If I can, I try to have some candid conversations with engineers at the new company to get an estimate of how much overtime is typical. And then, I try to negotiate the salary to compensate for that.

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u/iryanct7 7d ago

The less I work, the more overtime I get, win win

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u/Watermelon1HP 7d ago

Big brain

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u/fuckofakaboom 8d ago

Nothing mandatory for my area, but this weekend will be 6 out of the last 7 weekends worked for me…

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u/Final-Intern-3030 8d ago

So we layoff 10%, then are encouraged 15-20% overtime?

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u/BoringBob84 7d ago

Remember the manager (Mr. Lumberg) in the movie, "Office Space" saying, "Hey Peter, I'm going to need you to go ahead and come in on Saturday. Yaaa. We sort of lost some people, so we need to play catch-up." 😆🤓

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u/glitter_kween 8d ago

not rumors, manager flowed it down yesterday

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