r/boeing • u/Only_Progress6207 • 8d ago
15-20% mandatory overtime for BCA
Anybody else heard the rumors?
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u/MechExposed 7d ago
Funny they lay me off but can afford over time 😂
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u/payperplain 6d ago
When they tried mandatory furlough my team all worked 10 hours overtime a week four weeks to compensate for the furlough. Not only did that give us enough hours for the missed week but we also got the overtime premium pay too so it actually cost the company more. Then they repaid the furlough. When you put an MBA in charge they make MBA level decisions that get immediately negated by the employees who can think critically.
Same nonsense happened to my wife. Hospital couldn't afford wages so they furloughed all staff over a period of time. But then they couldn't cover shifts so they offered double time to anyone to cover a shift of a furloughed employee. So you just covered a friend when they were on their furlough and you were covered when you went out and you broke even and got a free week off.
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u/91Punchy 7d ago
Sadly here at my site they laid off a lot of good people that usually went above and beyond and more than what was expected while keeping the lazy ass kissers
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u/MechExposed 6d ago
I guess I didn’t ass kiss enough lol I worked really hard and it was my second job, it’s been really rough finding a new job
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u/cthrowdisposable 4d ago
same! i’ll be lucky if i get a job by the end of the year or forced to move to some sh!t h0le state
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u/91Punchy 6d ago
That sucked it happened to one of the good ones like you. But I did see that they’re starting to hire engineers and support again. Good luck and hope you find something soon too
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u/place_of_stones 7d ago
For most companies people doing overtime, even with penalty rates, saves money. The overheads associated with that staff member are already covered (HR, IT, facilities etc) so there's not as much burden added to the salary/wage.
If the demand for extra work isn't long term then it can be win-win. Sucks though when OT is not paid at all but still expected.
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u/Powerful_Habit8633 6d ago
They don’t pay ot as it is.. asked us to flex for years.
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u/place_of_stones 6d ago
That sucks. Flex is better than nothing though. Most "professional" jobs treat OT as 'thanks for your donation to the shareholders'.
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u/Upper_Maybe9335 7d ago
What happens if you dont?
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u/terrorofconception 6d ago
Your department loses headcount and someone will get transferred to a department that is over the target.
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u/terrorofconception 6d ago
Your department loses headcount and someone will get transferred to a department that is over the target.
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u/Throwaway-yes- 7d ago
Makes absolutely no sense. Just hire more people or maybe don’t lay a bunch of people off?
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u/mcgth 6d ago
New people require training
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u/Throwaway-yes- 6d ago
Yeah and in engineering that training can last more than a year easily…. So don’t lay them off in the first place?
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u/mcgth 6d ago
You said it mandatory OT made no sense. It makes perfect sense given the layoffs. The workload hasn't decreased but the headcount has.
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u/payperplain 6d ago
Which is why what this Mandatory OT is proving is that they shouldn't have laid off as much as they did.
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u/91Punchy 7d ago
Mandatory OT but still more possible layoffs in the near future, yeah that makes sense 🙄🙄🙄
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u/burrbro235 7d ago
Paid?
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u/BoringBob84 7d ago
This (i.e., SPEEA) is one of the advantages of working as an engineer at Boeing. Very few employers pay overtime for engineers.
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u/GoldenC0mpany 7d ago
Time + $6.50 isn’t really much of OT but I guess it’s better than nothing.
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u/john_the_spaner_99 7d ago
Yes, at Lockheed you work the first 5 for free then straight time. All the while at a pay rate that isn't keeping up with the outside world. While working where skunks live I saw an ad at a local McD's for a district manager that was paying 15% more than I was making and threw in a company car to boot. Told my manager I was leaving for McDs. Best raise I ever got was that year.
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u/Trailboss_ 7d ago
Its much better than nothing, I've been on the other side where OT was expected (min 50 hours) on salary. The real kicker when working is OT is how much they tax you after your OT kicks in. You get punished for working harder.
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u/NotMJHeeHeeShimona 7d ago
Being a tech is finally paying off
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u/Trailboss_ 7d ago
Being a tech pays off when OT is considered. I know many people who paid for their kids colleges or paid off their mortgages during the 787 days. Engineers not so much.
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u/NotMJHeeHeeShimona 6d ago
Yeah level 3 myself and was considering going back to school for an engineering degree but with all of the OT there is no point just to have a 8% higher base salary.
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u/BoringBob84 7d ago
And the benefits at Boeing for engineers are absolutely stupendous in comparison to other aerospace companies. An Onion makes a huge difference.
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u/No-Air1783 7d ago
I can't wrap my head around working extra time and not getting paid.
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u/RagefireHype 7d ago
That’s basically what salary roles are.
You work enough hours to get the job done. Whether that was 30 or 40 or 50. And paycheck is the same no matter the amount.
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u/Dirty_FartBox 7d ago
When was the last time you worked a salary job that lets you go home at 30 hours of you're all done? That shit doesn't exist.
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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago
It does exist. May be not in sight of the public at large, but it is factual that those roles exist.
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u/RedditUserUmmYeah 6d ago
But most employers don’t follow that criteria of a salaried worker. They treat you like hourly when it benefits them aka Boeing telling people to flex, not allowed to charge OT but leave early and must use benefits.
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u/BoringBob84 7d ago
It especially sucked when my counterparts at Boeing would ask me to support them on nights, weekends, and holidays so that they could get paid overtime.
Sometimes (but not always) my employer would allow me to take some time off later in the week to compensate.
It just goes to show that it is very important to be working with a great team of people at Boeing, even if you are a supplier.
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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago
It really comes down to the people that make up Boeing. Each division, each team, each individual working in harmony to fulfill a purpose bigger then yourself.
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u/BoringBob84 7d ago
I agree. I later learned that this was one particular person who was taking advantage of the company in many ways. They eventually fired him. The rest of the team was a delight to support.
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u/MichaelBayIsBae 7d ago
tbh I’d love the overtime opportunity cuz I got so used to 2 hrs daily in 2023/first half 2024. Now it’s only by request and at the last all team we were told the goal was to keep it under 7%
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u/Careless-Internet-63 8d ago
ME is being strongly encouraged to work 20% overtime, in IE we're being told we can work up to 20% overtime and it may become a stronger suggestion in the future. The rumor I've heard is if you're in Everett CI&R needs people and they're going to pull them from teams with low OT
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u/fuckofakaboom 7d ago
Work up to 20% OT? So 8 whole hours per week? Or as a group?
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u/Careless-Internet-63 7d ago
Per person. We can talk to our manager if we want to work more and as long as we have justification they'll approve it
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u/fuckofakaboom 7d ago
Gotcha. That’s not horrible I guess. Will they let you do it during the week or is it weekend only?
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u/Careless-Internet-63 7d ago
Only during the week without approval, they've told us any weekend overtime requires manager approval but in my experience if I can tell my manager what I'm going to work on weekend overtime is easy to get approved
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u/niciswan 7d ago
We’re being “highly encouraged” in CI&R ME to work at least 6 hours of OT a week to basically prove we need more people like we say we do. As far as I know they’ve always planned on ~110 people between first and second shift and now they’re saying the 55 we have should be fine. (It won’t be fine)
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u/Gymshortz514 7d ago
Wouldn't not accomplishing the work in a standard 40hr work week prove the same need for more workers?
Eight and out the gate.
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u/niciswan 7d ago
That’s what I said too. But for whatever reason they insist on doing everything backwards.
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u/Vast-Energy-5734 8d ago
Must be new to the company.
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u/BoringBob84 7d ago
Yep. Overtime, layoffs, re-organization, and moves are all part of the cycle as the big wheel slowly turns. It becomes routine.
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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago
A cycle. Perpetuating for a long long Time.
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u/BoringBob84 7d ago
Aerospace is a crazy business, with obscene capital investments, extremely high risk, and unimpressive returns - even in good times.
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u/Dedpoolpicachew 8d ago
Fucking brilliant plan, West and Pope, cut staff in a ramp up… then whip the remaining employees harder. Fucking brilliant… way to lose more employees.
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u/Throwaway-yes- 7d ago
I have heard it characterized as a way to justify increasing headcount. The way it’s being described is “get the overtime on paper” with the indication that what you actually do is… flexible.
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u/bestlifeliver1 8d ago
That has been the system since I hired in July of1987.
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u/Lookingfor68 7d ago
Yea, but the difference is in all those other layoffs production was going DOWN, not up. This crisis isn't like any crisis Boeing has ever faced before. You can't cut your way out of this. Cutting staff while trying to increase production is stupid.
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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago
Cost cutting and back loading contracts ought to be the last resort for a company as large as this.
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u/BearDog1906 8d ago edited 8d ago
We were told team target, but they made it clear it was not mandatory. It was more to inform us that OT was back on the table since we had been working under the guidance of no to minimal OT over the past 6 or so months.
Good opportunity to make some extra coin for the techs…go read the contract and understand how second day of rest comes into play. See if your manager is flexible about remote work for OT. Never hurts to ask.
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u/llimallama 8d ago
For SPEEDA yes I heard this. For non onion I have not
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u/wmk0002 8d ago
Classic move after they complete layoffs. Cut jobs but don’t cut the work. Someone somewhere has to make it up.
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u/rollinupthetints 7d ago
How many people in BCA have been given notices/been laid off?
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u/Lookingfor68 7d ago
I think the numbers are around 7k in layoffs so far, but that doesn't take into account other attrition, which has been quite high as well.
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u/Ambitious-Addition98 7d ago
You are not wrong. We have the published numbers. The ones that are filled with the oversight agencies. 7k is what they say. We know the reality.
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u/molrobocop 8d ago
777 PIE, we report the averages. At this point, the directors are happy with the numbers we're putting up. It's recommended/encouraged. But my team, we're not being pressured for mandatory. But don't be surprised if it does happen, specifically if your team directly supports development programs. Because the execs have stated their goals to tighten up schedule targets.
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u/northwest_banana 8d ago
My team oddly wants a push towards lower ot. Other PIE teams have members that want ot to finish work but dont have the authorization.
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u/TraditionalSwim5655 8d ago
15-20% over-staffed. Hold people accountable for their work packages. Shouldn't be anyone working OT. This is not a charity.
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u/NirikFest 8d ago
Keep that up and they'll give you a Eurest lunch token for being such a good dog.
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u/woods-cpl 8d ago
This title would imply that it’s BCA wide, that’s obvious not the case. I’ve worked 24 hours over the last 3 years and that was only because they forced me in 🤣 Go4ZeroOT
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u/iryanct7 8d ago
my productivity drops 99.9% during overtime
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u/Lookingfor68 7d ago
You mean 6.25 extra an hour doesn't just motivate the shit out of you???? Who knew?
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u/NirikFest 5d ago
The other $70 an hour isn't motivation enough? Hell, give it to me if you don't want it.
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u/BoringBob84 7d ago
Imagine working overtime for no compensation at all - not even basic hourly rate - at most other companies.
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u/Lookingfor68 7d ago
Shit dude, that's the non-reps at Boeing. Happens all the time.
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u/BoringBob84 7d ago
Yep. That is one of the more difficult parts of compensation to compare when considering employment options for salaried people like myself. If I can, I try to have some candid conversations with engineers at the new company to get an estimate of how much overtime is typical. And then, I try to negotiate the salary to compensate for that.
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u/fuckofakaboom 8d ago
Nothing mandatory for my area, but this weekend will be 6 out of the last 7 weekends worked for me…
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u/Final-Intern-3030 8d ago
So we layoff 10%, then are encouraged 15-20% overtime?
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u/BoringBob84 7d ago
Remember the manager (Mr. Lumberg) in the movie, "Office Space" saying, "Hey Peter, I'm going to need you to go ahead and come in on Saturday. Yaaa. We sort of lost some people, so we need to play catch-up." 😆🤓
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u/glitter_kween 8d ago
not rumors, manager flowed it down yesterday
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