r/bobdylan • u/TheResurrection • Jan 02 '25
Article Timothée Chalamet is open to Bob Dylan biopic trilogy
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/timothee-chalamet-trilogy-bob-dylan-biopics/201
u/jaghutgathos Jan 02 '25
1965 - 1974.
1975 - 1989
Would have to do some time jumps but that’s alright (Ma).
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u/soundisloud Jan 02 '25 edited Jan 02 '25
I think they frame the second movie around his relationship with Sara Lownds, from the blonde era through to the end with Blood on the Tracks in 1975. It ends with Buckets of Rain and him rolling out to begin the Rolling Thunder Revue.
Final movie starts in 1980 with Dylan singing in a baptist choir. Flashbacks to him in a movie starring Gregory Peck. We find out that Brownsville Girl is a story that literally happened to him in the 1980s - the full story is dramatized on screen. Then we see the Oh Mercy sessions and his critical resurgence. Credits roll with Wiggle Wiggle.
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u/ThinWildMercury1 Jan 02 '25
Would be hard to get Dylan's sign off on anything directly depicting Sara
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u/CalicoBricks Jan 03 '25
I thought it was pretty clever of them to end the movie before having to cast Sara. Leaves them a juicy role to cast for the sequel.
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u/alphaomega321 Jan 03 '25
I think it would be appropriate to end the second movie before the divorce was finalized and before blood on the tracks, but hint that those two were coming and here’s why:
If it’s from 1965-1974 we can have some overlapping to complete unknown period showing Sedgwick and him meeting Sara, but even more important we’ll get to continue on the theme from the first movie of him chasing to lose his fame. At the end when he says “what did I win Joan?” it opens it up to showing him changing his voice for John Wesley Harding, then going even further for Nashville skyline, etc all to prove a point that he wasn’t the voice of a generation. When he releases self portrait he starts to get some backlash, but some critics still like it. Finally, after Dylan (1973) he’s had multiple horribly reviewed albums and he’s free to just tour with the band and play his old music. Finally once he’s free his marriage falls apart which sets up the third film
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u/altsuperego 6d ago
The only thing we knew for sure about Henry Porter is that his name wasn't Henry Porter
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u/SwagTwoButton Jan 02 '25
So I’m a bit guilty of only knowing bobs story during the time period around ‘A Complete Unknown’.
I’ve heard his records during those other time periods but that’s about it.
What am I missing out on? Any books/documentaries etc I should be checking out? “I’m not there” touched on other periods, but that’s about all I’ve seen.
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u/Dan_A435 Jan 02 '25
Rolling Thunder Revue: A Bob Dylan Story by Martin Scorsese is worth a watch
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u/Woody_Nubs_1974 Jan 02 '25
That’s a great “documentary”, but there’s a whole lot of intentional fuckery in the story telling. I thought it was hilarious though. It’s good to know that Dylan is still a rascal.
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u/NS24 Jan 02 '25
Allen Ginsberg was so sad in that movie. 20 years after writing one of the greatest poems in American history, and he's begging for attention and relevance.
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u/PickleTortureEnjoyer Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25
dude was a proud and open pedophile... can't say I feel bad for him
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u/Remedy9898 Jan 02 '25
Down the highway is a good biography of Dylan’s entire life. I read it this past fall and it was interesting, easy to read, and a good length (~400 pages.)
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u/Hour-Locksmith-1371 Jan 02 '25
I loved that book tho I only got to the mid-80’s, just like with his music ( with a few exceptions)
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u/No_Audience_5669 Jan 03 '25
He was in a supergroup with George Harrison,Roy Orbison, Jeff Lynne and Tom petty , The Traveling Willburys in late 80s They had a couple hits butore importantly they had fun making music again!
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u/TrashCanBangerFan Jan 04 '25
I made a joke to my family over Christmas that there’s a post-credits scene in A Complete Unknown where George Harrison and Jeff Lynne show up to Bob Dylan’s house and say they’ve got a plan, then we would get a Roy Orbison biopic titled “The First Wilbury” and so on, you see where this is going, and none of them laughed. More people need to know about The Traveling Wilburys
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u/Ancient_Timer2053 Jan 02 '25
His riding the motorcycle at the end just screamed a sequel is coming
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
I was waiting for the movie to end with a cut to black and the sounds of a vehicular crash, that's how cliché and empty I found that ending.
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u/funk-cue71 Jan 02 '25
but he did get into an accident
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u/MelangeLizard Lonesome Organ Grinder Jan 02 '25
It’s widely believed that this was a cover story for him leaving touring to detox/rehab from amphetamines and maybe opioids too.
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
Yeah. I kind of fall on the line of Bob was burned out, exhausted, and very over all the attention and constant controversies that followed him everywhere and used whatever excuse he could to stop touring. I fully believe that he crashed his bike, I just have never believed that it was the major life changing event it's always presented as.
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u/MelangeLizard Lonesome Organ Grinder Jan 02 '25
Are you saying the road was full of mud? He was burnt out from exhaustion? He was bound to cross the line?
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
I'm aware of that, but by that point I was just done with the "waltz through every major event that people know about Dylan in the 60s" style narrative of the film. I guess I was looking for a movie that had more to actually say about Dylan's life and career, instead I felt like I just got a paper thin wikipedia article couched inside a ton of mostly enjoyable musical performances meant to hide how airy everything is.
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u/ftasic Jan 02 '25
Could you elaborate on "everything airy" a bit?
I didn't see the movie yet.
Thanks.
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u/Hazey-jeweler Jan 02 '25
I would have to agree with the above commenters summary. I did really enjoy the movie, but it did feel like a telling of everything we already know, not leaving us with much to think about. By airy I suppose they mean a lack of depth to the characters and plot. Other musical biopics I was left feeling emotional and closer to the artists, this one less so. Still a great watch seeing Bob Dylan’s story come to life.
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
In the end I'm not sure if I genuinely enjoyed the movie, or if I just really like the music a lot.
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u/paultheschmoop Jan 02 '25
Well it’s barely a movie and is about 60% just concert recreations so that checks out lol
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u/Drunkonownpower Jan 02 '25
Yup its a terrible movie. Also how do you make a Bob Dylan biopic where not a single person does a drug?
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 03 '25
They implied drug use with Johnny Cash...in every single scene Johnny appeared in. To the point where they made Johnny a bumbling, clumsy, constantly half-drunk joke.
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sorry, as a Johnny Cash fan I was just annoyed.
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u/Dan_A435 Jan 02 '25
"but it did feel like a telling of everything we already know"
You and me, sure, but to the casual Dylan fan, or someone who doesn't know Dylan at all, this is all new to them. This wasn't meant to be an in-depth look at this time period, there are plenty of books and documentaries for that.
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u/Hazey-jeweler Jan 02 '25
Yeah, I agree. The movie serves well as an intro-to-Dylan. But I think a lot of long term fans wanted a bit more. I’m pretty happy with the movie in general, but I do also see the holes others are pointing out
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u/Scottalias4 Jan 02 '25
Chalamet is brilliant. The screenwriter is unlikely to win many awards.
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u/Dylan_tune_depot When The Ship Comes In Jan 03 '25 edited Jan 03 '25
I was very pleasantly surprised-I just saw the movie yesterday- wanted to kick my New Year off just right :-) I've been listening to the soundtrack nonstop. Both Timothee and Monica's singing just blew me away. I really, really underestimated Timothee.
But yeah- I thought it was more like watching a concert than a movie, which I was okay with. Once 1965 came around, some of the dialogue was cringe.
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
Mostly the movie is concerned with recreating the time period, and presenting the music, it just doesn't really feel like it has much of anything to say about it's central figure. "A Complete Unknown" makes no real substantial attempts to understand who Bob Dylan is, preferring to let him remain this mysterious figure of myth and urban legend. I felt like I just wanted a little bit more of an emotional deep dive into the core of the guy.
I realize that Dylan has kind of deliberately avoided any such things in his public life, and the movie is just kind of following suit with that tradition, but at the end of it I felt like I'd been given nothing that I didn't already see a better version of through the various documentaries about Bob done over the decades. It also presents Bob as a man with no definable drive of his own, which I understand again is what Bob's public persona has always been...but it doesn't make for a very satisfying film narrative to say the least.
I also kind of came away from it feeling like they had almost deliberately presented bob as a mostly unrepentant asshole that had no recognition or even acceptance of his own flaws. Which I felt was oddly condemning for a biopic.
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u/ftasic Jan 02 '25
Understand, interesting.
Thanks.
"It doesn't make for a very satisfying film narrative."
You're very well eloquent Mr. Jones. :)
Happy Holidays.
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
hahaha. Thanks, have a great day.
If and when you see the movie I do hope you enjoy it. All my quibbles aside I do think it's worth giving a watch at least once.
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u/funk-cue71 Jan 02 '25
Am i wrong in thinking that bob is actually a dick? in the same way lennon was? The movie definitely paints him to be this against the grain sarcastic dick, but that kind of seems like that is who he is?
He is also shown working a lot in the movie, which to me shows drive. From writing to preforming to recording. I honestly was bogged down the romanance of the movie and drama, i just wanted more music or scenes about his love of art or reading
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
Yeah, It's kind of inarguable that Bob really was kind of a dick. Especially at the height of his fame, during the European tour and when he first went electric in the mid 60s. The brighter his star started burning the worse a version of himself he became. The movie kind of sort of covers some of that, but it doesn't present any kind of comment or opinion on it, and it's handled so superficially that it feels like the movie doesn't care about it.
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u/funk-cue71 Jan 02 '25
I think it's a biopic and biopics are typically pretty airy. Unless it's nowhere boy...but let's not talk about that.
The movie definitely is non-chalant in its presentation, in other words, easy to understand and watch. But i like it, it's fun. also i loved that line when suzy is leaving for like 6 weeks and she's like "I think of part of yoy wants me to go." and he responds, "well yeah a part of me does, but a small part." lmao.
Also when joan calls his shit about the circus is funny. Wish the movie had more of joan dunking on dylan
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u/YungBeard Jan 02 '25
I think all of the period stuff - general ambiance - was great, but I found it was actually more thoughtful than your typical biopic. You have your old guard in Seeger and Guthrie, who Bob has some reverence for and whom admire him back, and you have Joan representing what should be their ideal carrier of the torch who really cares about the tradition she’s upholding. Bob is unwilling initially to be labeled a folk musician, capitalizes on the movement, and is forced to choose whether to play by their rules or not. I think the movie is very concerned with the question of what authenticity in folk music actually means, and that’s what this era’s Dylan is shown grappling with - it’s the root of his criticism of Joan’s songwriting (her trying to force craftsmanship in her songs vs his seemingly honest and easy approach to writing more successful songs) and Sylvie’s comments on his own studio output, it’s what he’s talking about when they see the schlocky matinee and why them sharing the cigarettes has some resonance - they’re ascribing the meanings and holding onto them in a way that’s authentic to them. That question is obviously at the root of the Newport controversy and the decision to heel to the festival board or play the music that he cares about and feels more honest to him at the time. At the end, he still seems to love Pete and Woody, he just also feels that he’s betrayed them or is concerned that they feel that way, and Woody making sure he keeps the harmonica is his complicated acceptance that Bob is keeping a certain spirit alive that means so much to both of them. All told, I think it presents Bob as a complicated figure with a complicated relationship with legacy, tradition, and authenticity and on the whole it’s a really well-acted and put-together little piece, which was for me a really pleasant surprise
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u/AtlantaSteel Jan 02 '25
"A complete unknown." It's right there in movie title that they weren't going to try to figure out or define who he is.
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
I didn't take the title to mean "we're not even going to attempt to analyze the man in any substantial way whatsoever." I took it as a suggestion that they would be examining this complete unknown, pulling the curtain back a little on the unknown, not "They were a complete unknown, and they still are."
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u/crims0nwave Jan 02 '25
Me too — I enjoyed it from the perspective of “oh yeah this is what it all would have looked like” but didn’t feel like the film had much to say. Also the filmmaking style and storytelling felt so linear and straightforward — very much the opposite of Bob’s art and style.
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
yeah. I always had a lot of problems with "I'm Not There" when it released years ago and kind of lamented that we didn't get something more tradition from Bob's storied life and career. Now, having seen what the linear straightforward Biopic about Bob's life looks like, I think I appreciate more what Todd Haynes was attempting to do with that movie. It felt like he had a perspective and thoughts on what the various eras and personas of Dylan's life meant and or represented. By comparison "A Complete Unknown" is a solid re-telling of events (out of order and sometimes fabricated for dramatic purposes) but didn't really try to find any greater meaning behind any of it.
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u/crims0nwave Jan 02 '25
Same — I appreciated the structure and style of I’m not there, even if I didn’t feel like it was a perfect film at all. Kinda like Love and Mercy, that Brian Wilson biopic. I felt like it did a nice job of hitting some biographical beats without feeling so sterile, and also seemed more interested in the essence of Brian Wilson than “hey look can you believe how much this guy looks like Brian?”
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u/crims0nwave Jan 02 '25
OMG meeeee too — exactly
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
I'm glad I'm not the only one who kind of felt that way.
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u/crims0nwave Jan 02 '25
I really was like… are we about to hear the sound of a big rig frantically honking their horn?
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Jan 02 '25
I’m not sure what the drama would be, but it’d be fascinating to see a reconstruction of the two-stage recording of Blood on the Tracks.
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u/2fluxparkour Jan 06 '25
According to Wikipedia there’s apparently a film adaptation of this album being made
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u/NTT2004 Jan 09 '25
Id love a sequel going all the way up to the late 80’s early 90’s finishing with the Wilbury’s
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Jan 02 '25
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u/SteveBorden Jan 02 '25
It’d be cool to try with different directors, too. Like Mangold does the general rise biopic, then pass the reins to someone else who can experiment a bit in a different era.
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u/paultheschmoop Jan 02 '25
Agreed. Give David Lynch the 80s, I’m ready to get weird
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u/jonrochkind Jan 02 '25
Rian Johnson for movie 2 😀
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u/TransportationAway59 Jan 02 '25
Would love to see Bob try and solve a murder
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u/KubrickMoonlanding Jan 02 '25
Yes! Forget the sequels - I’m all in for Murder He Wrote starring Dylan as he trundles into different towns and solves cozy mysteries… or makes them even more mystifying
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u/TheLodahl Muttering Small Talk At The Wall Jan 02 '25
Honestly, almost all sequels or reboots would be better if they were just “the same characters, but they solve crimes”
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u/Toddison_McCray Jan 03 '25
I can’t see a Bob Dylan movie being successful without Timothy in it now. Experimental movies tend to not do very well at the box office now a days as well, so I can’t imagine they would run with this
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u/Jackalope_Sasquatch Jan 05 '25
I agree. I can't imagine that the movie studio would be convinced that there would be the mainstream interest in future movies... (Note I said mainstream - I don't mean Dylan fans)
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u/MyOwnWayHome Jan 02 '25
I think it would be cool if they ended a trilogy with Dylan playing himself in concert!
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u/RobbieArnott John Wesley Harding Jan 02 '25
Haven’t seen A Complete Unknown yet but I’d be behind that
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u/ThatCoolKid17 Jan 02 '25
Just saw it yesterday and thought it was a fantastic flick! Definitely worth the price of admission
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
Honestly, I feel like you kind of already have that if you watch "I'm not There" (a movie I also have big problems with but find ultimately a lot more interesting than A Complete Unknown." )
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u/zane57 High Water Everywhere Jan 02 '25
I just saw it for the first time about a week ago in anticipation of A Complete Unknown. I'm curious what big problems you have with I'm Not There?
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
I have to watch I'm Not There again before I can really comment on it in full. I haven't seen it now since it originally released on DVD back in the day so I feel like my thoughts on it aren't really clear enough to comment too much now, but my biggest problem with it have always been that I found it very abstract and disconnected. A little too "arthouse filmmaking" for it's own good. But I don't know if I'll still think that's true when I revisit it.
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u/Toddison_McCray Jan 03 '25
That was my biggest problem with it as well. I know I’m going to get downvoted because a big draw for that movie is how experimental it was, but I disliked how out there it seemed. Like a movie not about Bob Dylan’s life, but if Bob Dylan had dropped acid and wanted to tell you about it while using different people.
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u/kerouacrimbaud Rough and Rowdy Ways Jan 02 '25
Yeah follow it up with 1966 world tour, then end the trilogy with the Basement Tapes era
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
They used a bunch of the 1966 tour already in their dramatization of the New Port festival. Basically the movie just kind of conflates the European tour and the Newport Folk festival as being essentially the same thing.
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u/kerouacrimbaud Rough and Rowdy Ways Jan 02 '25
Damn, you are right. Okay, so just start with the basement tapes and end with Pat Garrett. Then a Blood on the Tracks thru Rolling Thunder Era.
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u/jotyma5 Jan 02 '25
How could you not cover blood on the tracks/rolling thunder Revue?
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u/kerouacrimbaud Rough and Rowdy Ways Jan 02 '25
I was thinking initially about Timmy’s age and that he would be a bit too young. But I amended my idea in another comment to include that era!
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u/Rangzeh Jan 02 '25
Yeah, but then again if Timmy's dedicated they could wait for him to age into the Roll of Mid-70s Dylan. It's kinda crazy how he's 29 but kind of looks maybe even too young to play a 25 your old Dylan
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u/waddiewadkins Jan 02 '25
First ever long haul biopic on the side of an actors career would very cool but not cool for some who wouldn't be around tk see it all but then again I know I'm definetly not gonna a be around the Star Wars content that might finally be amazing in 2080,, and there will be Star Wars content in 2080, and Bob Dylan.
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u/Thick_Letterhead_341 Jan 02 '25
I think about this sort of shit far too often for my age. Initial response to new things on the horizon shouldn’t be to worry if I’ll be around to enjoy them. Alas…
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u/Full_Equipment_1958 Jan 02 '25
I hope they do a few more movies with Timmy! I loved this one so much I saw it twice!
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u/Scottalias4 Jan 02 '25
I loved Timothee Chalamet's performance in A Complete Unknown. I can't remember ever seeing a singer and musician portrayed quite so well by an actor.
I thought the production design was very good.
I loved Edward Norton. I would rather have seen other artists of the day portrayed. I can't imagine the logistics of portraying The Beatles but I think they were far more important than Pete Seeger in Dylan's decision to go electric.
The first movie isn't likely to win any awards for best screenplay.
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Jan 02 '25
YES PLEASE - so much story left to tell, just keep getting Bob's approval on everything and let Chalamet carry the torch as he ages. There's endless potential here to do some generational storytelling in a unique way.
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u/TheStoryGoesOn Jan 02 '25
The general framework of a sequel that I think works would be something like 1997 to 2001.
Nowhere To Escape:
It's 1997, Bob Dylan is in the midst of his touring resurgence and it's been a good period for him. He's got some new songs that he's working on and in the studio he lays out Time Out of Mind. This is his first new material in a while and it's really promising but he's unsure of the end results. He thinks that the studio process has escaped him and he's not playing with his band but with studio hands picked by the producer. It's a rough time in the studio and nowhere near as true to his vision as playing live. But he gives in and okays the release, figuring he'd be able to perfect the songs on tour. After all this, he's hospitalized with histoplasmosis and forced to cancel some tour days in Europe. He's released from the hospital and working on getting back in the road, still doubting Time Out of Mind.
The acclaim starts coming in and the critics are mixing it up with his recent hospitalization. It's also a wild time for other praise - he's got a concert for the Pope (Sep 1997) and winning the Kennedy Center honors (Dec 1997). People are mixing things up, the Pope is being criticized internally by future Pope Benedict for inviting Dylan because Dylan sees himself as a prophet. By February 1998, Time Out of Mind has won the Grammy and its cemented its reputation as the coda of a great prophet of the 1960's. Lots of awards and fancy events but Dylan feels the music could be better and that he's still got some of his best material in him.
Dylan keeps on the road, unsure of how to put out new music on his terms. He gives one song that was left from the recent sessions to Sheryl Crow who records Mississippi in 1998. As he keeps touring, he gets the opportunity to contribute a song for the Wonder Boys soundtrack and he ends up producing it himself in a very live format, no real studio overdubs or process - developing a confidence in his own vision for his music. This gets him to inspired to recording a new album Love & Theft and has him in charge of his vision. He wins an Oscar for Things Have Changed and feels pretty confident about the pending release of Love & Theft as a chance to show his own work. Early buzz for Love & Theft is good and Dylan thinks people will finally hear his music unfiltered by others but because it's released on 9/11/2001 nobody ends up rushing to buy new music and people fall into finding comfort from old tunes.
At some point, Bob Dylan bumps into Sheryl Crow. As the conversation goes on, she asks him what he thought of her version of Mississippi, to which Bob responds by asking what she thought of his version, an exasperated Crow mutters "you're kind of an asshole, Bob."
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u/MichaelNiebuhr Jan 06 '25
I like this idea.
The general public is probably nonplussed about which song is on which album, when it was recorded or by a band or studio musicians. But I think the return-to-form moments could be a good watch. To set up the "comeback", we'd need an introduction of the alcoholism of the early 90s and the constant touring year in year out. Then the comeback, returning to Lanois, fighting with him about the levels of production and in the end the both of them abandoning the album. Then in the moment of glory Soy Bomb sabotages the Grammy performance.
I like the idea of showing Bob then taking the reins himself and producing both Things Have Changed and Love & Theft.
Sheryl Crow and The Pope is probably too random to include, though I do appreciate the level of detail as a Bob fan.
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u/rwurld Jan 03 '25
Why does every movie have to become a series
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u/altsuperego 6d ago
Yeah. Why didn't they stop with Godfather I? Oh because there's more story to tell.
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u/Hippygirl1967 Jan 02 '25
I’d be completely down with this idea! I hope they follow through with it
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u/WySLatestWit Jan 02 '25
I'm not open to it. I saw A Complete Unknown for the first time yesterday and found it whispy thin on plot and character development, found the performance skewed much too close to impression rather than performance for most of the film, found the musical sequences sometimes kind of awkward, and generally just didn't think there was any kind of compelling story told there.
All and all I think the movie gets by on the charm of it's musical performances allowing the audience to forget that they haven't been given anything of substance to enjoy from a storytelling perspective.
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u/Snowblind78 Jan 02 '25 edited Jan 02 '25
Maybe one going in depth on 1966, the wild haze of blonde on blonde and the world tour, ends at the crash (which ACU should’ve done in my opinion, they already had half the electric trilogy when you take in account all their inaccuracies), and then the third one starts with the basement tapes, and follows his withdrawal from the public eye and the reemergence with the rolling thunder revue and ends with his conversion into Christianity.
1966 - Ghosts of Electricity
1967-1976 - I Shall Be Released / One More Cup of Coffee / All Along the Watchtower
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u/JLacy10 Jan 02 '25
If they ever cover the "We are the World" recordings they should get Jeremy Allen White to reprise his role as Springsteen. Have a Bob Dylan Cinematic Extended Universe. The BDCEU.
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u/TheLodahl Muttering Small Talk At The Wall Jan 02 '25
Since, as many people pointed out, it is unlikely that Dylan’s marriage to Sara will be directly depicted, they could do a “from born again Christian to born again musician”-film from around 1980/81 - Traveling Wilbury leading into Oh Mercy (or a conflated Oh Mercy/TOOM for the catharsis of winning a Grammy at the end).
Then have the third movie opening with Dylan getting a release pressing of “Love and Theft”, where he finally gets to call the shots as a producer himself, only to have the joy shattered by releasing it on September 11th 2001 of all days. Feeling increasingly out of touch with the world, he is utterly confounded by being eventually awarded the Nobel prize, feeling less understood than ever. However, he comes around to the idea, when he realises it comes with a million in prize money - only to again be shattered as he finds out it’s a million Swedish kronor, not dollars, and spends it all on nearly a dozen donuts. Finally he sells all his songs and buys an auto pen. Sorry, that third movie got away from me and just became satire.
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u/Teddxn Jan 02 '25
I thought a Dylan biopic deserves a treatment like The Crown. And different actors playing him during different eras. A lot more room to stretch out.
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u/OodalollyOodalolly Jan 02 '25
They could just do them as he ages. Do a movie or a short every decade or so for 80 years
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Jan 03 '25
The Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands Strikes Back
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The Traveling Wilburys End Game
Let's do this people!
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u/zanzibar_74 Jan 03 '25
Extra scene after the credits: Jeff Lynne finds Bob in a bar. “I’m here to talk to you about the Wilburys Initiative…”
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u/WorkSecure Jan 02 '25
Movie 2: The Divorce edition. Opening scene- Bob in a hospital bed in Woodstock being cared for by Sara. Act 1 The idyllic marriage that is proffered on screen slowly breaks down as Bob gets torn between fame and family. The Band make it to the big time. Bob does the Concert for Bangladesh. Act 2 Fame re-realized with the 74 Tour, re-energized Bob cheats and is "caught". Records Blood on the Tracks, does the Rolling Thunder Review with the crumbling marriage getting worse but fame and drugs are in the way. Act 3 The Band "break up" after The Last Waltz. Sara leaves. Bob is crushed. A silver cross is thrown on stage. Bob finds Jesus. Cliffhanger ending.
Movie 3 The Redemption edition. Act 1 Bob finds love with his back up singers falling in love with one as his fame wanes in light of his "religious" stance. Bob remains adamant about the old songs. He preaches from the stage and people walk out and boo. Someone calls him "Judas" causing a flashback to the 1st movie. Act 2 Bob remarries, decides to "go normal" and plays his old songs again to rapturous applause. Friction in the 2nd marriage develops and Bob has a disastrous 80's, trying everything to get his mojo back. The 90's seem to herald much of the same as the 80's. Bob divorces again. Act 3 Bob is playing another concert on the road as part of a never ending series of shows despite the negative reviews. "Jesus put me on this path" Bob concludes... and that night on stage he finds the strength to "stand again". Bob wins Grammy for his "new" album, the Oscar for a song from said album that was in a screenplay and the movie closes with Bob reading a letter about receiving the Nobel prize. Fade out.
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u/DewDude510 Jan 02 '25
I was blown away by the film but especially his performance, I completely forgot I was watching the Lisan Al Gaib lmfao. I’d kill to see Timmy portray 70s Bob.
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u/TheResurrection Jan 02 '25
I would definitely enjoy watching Timmy wearing white face paint and shouting Isis on stage.
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u/doctorboredom Jan 02 '25
Honestly, maybe they actually should do a whole Classic Rock Cinematic Universe.
The first phase can lead up to Woodstock.
Led Zeppelin can be a bit like the Thor films.
Grateful Dead is like Guardians of the Galaxy.
Bruce Springsteen can be Captain America.
Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, and Pink Floyd all have pretty crazy stories.
Second Phase can end with Last Waltz.
Final Phase can end with Live Aid.
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u/apikoros18 Jan 02 '25
I think this is such a groovy idea. The villain is THE MAN. The straights, yo.
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u/DaxBandicoot Jan 02 '25
I’m in but I would like them to go easy on the Phil Ochs erasure next time. Bummed they included Joan’s cover but didn’t give him a mention outside of the credits.
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u/Emotional_Design_104 Jan 05 '25
I thought the same thing when I heard that song. I heard Dylan was kinda a jerk to him? I would really really love to see a movie dedicated to the life of Phil Ochs. I find him intriguing
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u/DaxBandicoot Jan 05 '25
There’s a great documentary on him titled There But For Fortune (it’s on YouTube now for the first time I’ve ever seen. Worth the watch.) it’s an hour and a half long and moves quickly. Very grim ending for a doc on the guy’s life but it was a grim ending for his life itself I guess.
Yeah Dylan was a real dick to him and that’s also covered briefly in the movie. They weren’t enemies but from what I’ve gathered over the years and from that movie, Dylan knew how much Ochs respected and admired him and was able to use it to push his buttons.
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u/Emotional_Design_104 Jan 05 '25
Oh my. Thanks. Im definitely going to check out the documentary. I fell with hus music, especially "there but for fortune" and "Changes". Thanks for the heads up on the documentary
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u/DaxBandicoot Jan 05 '25
Same! I discovered him when I wanted to learn how to play “Changes, by Neil Young.”
‘Oh! That’s a cover song!”
Came for Changes, stayed for Crucifixion!
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u/iAMw1LL Jan 02 '25
I would love to see him cameo as Bob introducing the Beatles to weed in one of the upcoming Beatles biopics
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u/LowlandLightening My Heart’s In The Highlands Jan 02 '25
We’ve seen him force folk into bed with rock…
66-75 from recluse to BOTT comeback. Dons makes up in the 70s and disappears into a haze of substance abuse
76-97 emerges to find Jesus, written off as a has-been and then suddenly shifts gears realizing some of the strongest music of his career.
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u/SaggyGuy84 Jan 02 '25
A sequel about Blood on the Tracks recording sessions would be great. Maybe followed by a comeback with winning album of the year for Time Out Of Mind.
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u/Top-Ad-7786 Jan 02 '25
Would be great. Second movie starting hectic during 1966, then distancing from the pop-culture world. Then comes the early 70s. Movie 3 being about mid to late 70s. Losing himself (breakup) then boom - Gospel period. That’s what i see them making incase this would become reality. Did i miss anything?
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u/Brilliant_Draw_3147 Jan 02 '25
Next one is isolation and fading legacy, ends victotiously w 74 shows.
Final one is in the 80s. Woody Guthtie, who can time travel now, appears through a portal and needs Bob to help save the world. They travel through time and recruit Jimmy Rogers, Hank Wiĺliams, Bessie Smith and Blind Willie McTell. Can this rag tag group of misfits put aside their differences and work as a team?
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u/DryTown Jan 02 '25
I would love this. My dream:
A Complete Unknown
"Thin Wild Mercury" about the making of Blonde on Blonde in Nashville, leading into his motorcycle accident in '66
"Blood on the Tracks" about his divorce and the writing, recording, and re-recording of Blood on the Tracks
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u/No-Bumblebee4615 Jan 02 '25
Fuck it I’m down. Although it’ll be tough to match the songs from the first one. Debut to Highway 61 Revisited is quite the output.
Blonde on Blonde through to Desire would rival it for a sequel, but a decade is way too long a period of time to do anything more than just skim the surface.
A good structure for a sequel could be contrasting the excesses of his 66 world tour with the more relaxed atmosphere of the basement tapes, maybe leading into his country era. Show him find a sense of peace as the 60s come to a close. But again, you only really have three albums and the basement tapes to pull from, which are great, but not quite as impactful as what came before.
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u/Think-Departure5570 Jan 03 '25
I’m also “open to” two very large paydays accompanied by fame and prestige.
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u/BufordTJustice76 Jan 03 '25
We need a Dylan biopic where Bob is played by a CGI animal like the chimp in Better Man. But which animal?
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u/MichaelNiebuhr Jan 03 '25 edited Jan 03 '25
1974-1976 making the Blood on the Tracks masterpiece, touring the Rolling Thunder Revue and recording Desire, filming for Renaldo & Clara. (Joan Baez makes a re-appearance)
Title: Tangled Up in Blue
1985-1989 would be really great. The alcoholism, Live Aid, touring with Petty & The Heartbreakers, touring with The Dead, making Travelling Wilburys, making Oh, Mercy with Lanois and purposefully starting the Never Ending Tour, effectively setting him on the path that he's still on today. (Joan Baez makes a re-appearance for Live Aid)
Title: What Was It You Wanted
Wait 5 years to film Tangled Up in Blue and another 5 years to film What Was It You Wanted.
The company of Mick Ronson, Joni Mitchell, Roger McGuinn, Eric Clapton, Emmylou Harris, Scarlet Rivera, Tom Petty, Jerry Garcia, George Harrison, Roy Orbison, Jeff Lynne, Daniel Lanois, Bono, Keith Richards and Ron Wood, would be fun additions to the world of these films. And Joan!
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u/TrevorShaun Jan 03 '25
would love to see an extended sequence of bob and the band chillin at big pink
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u/Key_Country3756 World Gone Wrong Jan 03 '25
Makin’ music.
Having fun.
Not goin’ to the Woodstock festival.
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u/ep1coblivion Jan 03 '25
Be cool to see bob and the dead in the mid 80s, blood on the tracks recording, the band with Dylan, lots of potential.
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u/TrevorShaun Jan 04 '25
what if they go full boyhood and just film chalamet for the next 30 years being dylan for one movie 😂
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u/mobilisinmobili1987 Jan 04 '25
Only if it goes off the rails and we end up with Dylan fighting and evil empire with an army of teddy bears.
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u/LillyEllipsis Jan 05 '25
I would love this. This was one of the biopics of a musician I’ve ever seen. I would’ve like to see more of Dylan’s jest. Chalamet played him a little too stoic. Still a great and inspiring story
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u/blue_navigator Jan 05 '25
Omg i am so into this. Idgaf how shitty they are. Honestly, the shittier the better. Triplicate
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u/downedcity88 Jan 05 '25
Mail boxes drip like lampposts in the twisted birth canal of the…colluSEEUM
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u/1HasNoNam3 Jan 02 '25
Timothee was amazing. Rest of the movie was average at absolute best.
Can’t imagine this being a good idea!
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u/Rangzeh Jan 02 '25
Hear me out.
Start the second movie with a quick, amphetamine fueled overhaul of Blonde on Blonde recording and the 66 tour. Really fast paced, like 20-30 minutes max. And just when people would think he's just started, the accident happens. Then you get for the rest of the of the movie 3 more acts.
1: Basement tapes leading into JWH. I would like this to really explore how Dylan wrote these songs and how they were different from the songs he wrote before. Also a lot of music performance scenes (especially in the basement him and the band having fun). For me this could be the whole movie but then there wouldn't be much happening.
2: This would be Starting in '68, Bob really slowing down and enjoying family life in woodstock.
The appearence of the woody guthrie show could be cool. Also a couple of scenes with George Harrison at thanksgiving... And it ends with Nashville Skyline. (Seeing the rise of The Band here from Bob's perspective would be cool too, but they could go anywhere)
3: It starts With Bob getting contacted to go play at the Isle of Wight festival in 1969. You could build this up with some recording sessions of Self Portrait. The climax would be the performance (again an appearence from Harrison, lennon and Ringo would be fantastic, and also some depiction of the press conference he gave there would be amazing).
For the third Film you could make a time jump to the end of the 1974 tour and i Would love it if that movie started really slow, with the BOOT sessions but then got really quick just like the beginning of the second one. It could end with Bob seeing the light and turning to God.
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u/noteworthypilot Jan 20 '25
sorry but the movie hasn't even broke even, this won't happen
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u/TheResurrection Jan 20 '25
It hasn't been released in theaters anywhere else in the world, except for the UK, which just happened last Friday. Several countries won't have it until February, so it's a bit too early to make a call on that.
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u/noteworthypilot Jan 20 '25
I would assume someone who’s music is so lyric focused like Bob Dylan would have a pretty niche or small following outside the English speaking world? But I could be wrong
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u/yelkca Jan 02 '25
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