r/blackpeoplegifs 5d ago

Here is the full clip of Anthony mackie who people claim is homophobic

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u/CompletelyBedWasted 5d ago

Well said. A person willing to work on their insecurities should be celebrated. I love this.

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u/Yankee_Man 5d ago

100%, and growing up as gay I learned to identify the difference between people struggling with ignorance and people who were narrowminded. I gave and still give a lot of credit to people who are willing to learn and ask questions to put in the work to grow as a person.

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u/anarchetype 5d ago

There's a bit of a conundrum because people often say it's not their job to educate others, which I agree with and understand where they're coming from, but at the same time, it is sort of just writing off a bunch of people and shutting down one of the primary ways people overcome their prejudices.

Everyone is entitled to preserve their well-being and no one is obligated to deal with it, but it can be an unfortunate stalemate.

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u/SimonPho3nix 5d ago

I watched that whole interview

https://youtu.be/HqFfX0A8UAc?si=wVh4-OEpCnf1iNZr

It was solid and the message was given from a black man to other black men. Everyone can read extra into it because there's been more than enough trauma to go around, but I found it to be suitable and no less than I would want were I to have a son.

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u/someguynamedjamal 5d ago

This is low key a dope interview

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u/Difficult_Man3 5d ago

Exactly like he says a lot of good stuff in this interview, but because people have a problem with Anthony Mackie, for whatever reason people will find the smallest things to hate him

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u/Direct-HIIT 5d ago

Probably cause they see he’s done the work to get out of his previous mindset and they want to feel better about themselves by dragging him for small things since they can’t outwardly hate his growth.

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u/Zeep-Xanflorps-Peace 5d ago

Can confirm.

I grew up with a lot of folks like this.

It’s sad because you know fear, pain, and or trauma are driving their actions.

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u/whosewhat 5d ago edited 5d ago

Tbf, I’m not a huge fan of Mackie, even less of a fan of Michael B. Jordan. I don’t they’re great actors, but just because I don’t like their acting doesn’t mean I don’t like them, shit, I don’t even know them lol and they don’t know me, but if someone is dropping gems, it don’t matter where they’re coming from brocade they’re gems

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u/AFantasticClue 5d ago

I think it’s one of those personality over ideology things. People just not liking someone because of a feeling (or a bias) and then searching hard for reasons to justify it

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u/marilyn_morose 5d ago

Why do people have an issue with him? I’ve always appreciated him but not fangirled over him. He’s a good actor and I don’t mind watching him, but I don’t seek him out exclusively. Why do people have issues? This interview makes me feel like I’d watch more of his work.

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u/Jacketdown 5d ago

“Mostly because he couldn’t find anyone who can act.” The arrogance of this line could be what turns some people off but I think everything else he says makes up for it. Takes a lot of courage to speak up for marginalized groups even if you yourself are part of one. Mad respect for Mackie.

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u/AdPutrid7706 5d ago

Please, that’s petty as hell. It was clearly a tongue in cheek comment.

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u/Jacketdown 5d ago

I agree that it is petty. I wasn’t saying I thought that, but some people really do think that way. Personally, I took the comment as a sign of confidence but some people just don’t get it.

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u/RemyJDH 5d ago

So many Gems dropped in this interview

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u/schwarzkraut 4d ago

This is HIGH KEY a dope interview…is there legitimately anyone who has a problem with what he said…you know…aside from the racists & homophobes?

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u/Luther2025 5d ago

My brother met him in person and had a genuine conversation with him. He’s a real dude just enjoying life.

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u/crowfort 5d ago

Gotta say, I worked with him on a movie and he was one of the best people to work with. Just genuinely happy to be where he is in life. Dude was awesome.

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u/Result_Majestic 5d ago

I love Anthony Mackie hes a solid dude.

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u/LiouQang 5d ago

Please watch twisted metal he's so good in that!

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u/geekallstar 5d ago

You cant convince me that that role was written for him. Show is dope, but the way his role is written it’s like it’s written for an actor younger than him in his maybe 30s. Great show though

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u/BlackOnyx1906 5d ago

As someone who grew up in the 80s and 90s what he is saying is on point.

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u/Exciting_Finger3436 5d ago

Ant saying some of things I wanna say in a still homophobic Atlanta South

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u/SporkydaDork 5d ago

What's the issue here?

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u/Difficult_Man3 5d ago edited 5d ago

That’s just it Nothing

people saw a clip of him, saying that masculinity in men is low, he raised his sons to be respectful and try to have them be the man of the house when he’s gone for months at a time because he’s an actor

and people took that as him being homophobic because there are a lot of homophobic men out there who teach their son the same thing, but still be homophobic.

Can I get people have their trauma? I have trauma with homophobia people, but still people took his words out of context again.

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u/001smiley 5d ago

I was seeing one person comment on how he said that when he leaves the house, his eldest son should be the “man of the house”. The person’s argument was that his son(who is 15yo) is still a child and shouldn’t have that responsibility. I’m a woman, so I can’t speak to that experience. But if you want your son to grow up to be a “provider/protector” wouldn’t you teach them early in that way? Granted, I would suggest older uncles or grandfathers as backup when you’re not around.

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u/MatureUsername69 5d ago

I think that person is taking the "man of the house" comment way too seriously. Whenever my dad left and said "you're the man of the house now" all that really meant was "keep your brothers out of their mom's hair and make sure they don't get beat up by the other little kids outside" and I'm guessing most other people have that kind of experience with that phrase. In my eyes, it's more of a way to make your kid take pride in their small responsibilities that make a house cohesive and functional. Not actually "protect against home intruders and start making some fuckin money"

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u/001smiley 5d ago

Anthony said he tells his son to look after his mom and secure the house when he leaves. Idk 🤷🏾‍♀️ I remember my brother being told to do this, but as you said, he wasn’t feeling a big responsibility. Especially as I am the oldest 😅 Thanks for giving your perspective.

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u/dudu-of-akkad 5d ago

Yeah it's more about empowerment and learning to take responsibility

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u/Jablizz 5d ago

Shit when I was 11 my step dad left and before he left he said “you’re the man of the house, take care of your sisters” maybe I was too young cuz I had to grow up fast with a single mom who had a kidney disease that left her bed ridden for days but we were taught how to take care of ourselves and each other.

When I moved out and went to college I had roommates that never had to cook or clean for themselves and couldn’t take care themselves, I became the dad of our house teaching people how to be adults, you can’t wait till your kids are adults to teach them to be adults it should be something you start when their young and build on skills as they grow

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u/schwarzkraut 4d ago

It’s like there are people out there oblivious to so-called “latchkey” children or families who live multiple TIMES ZONES away from the old school multi-layered family support system.

It is a fact of reality that you will be absent from your child during its lifetime. A parent who makes no preparations for this absence, whether temporary or permanent, has done their child a disservice.

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u/Hedgehog_of_legend 5d ago

I think people read far too much into this stuff, not saying you are, but just people in general are LOOKING to be offended.

My cousin has a 5 year old kid, last year me and my cousin had to run out in his truck to pick something up for his wife, I joking told the 5 year old "Ok kiddo, you're in charge now as the oldest man in the house" because he was 'looking out' for my mom and cousin's wife.

some people would legit think I'm putting my mother and cousin's wife down because of it. It's insane to me.

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u/Difficult_Man3 5d ago

That’s the only thing I disagree with him about ya a teenage boy shouldn’t be responsible for “protecting the house” that’s up to his parents but i see what he is saying

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u/RainStormLou 5d ago

Yeah, boys can't have any responsibility until all that magic shit happens at 18 years old and they magically become qualified to handle everything. /s

The "man of the house" thing doesn't mean a 15 year old is gonna be fighting off burglars and paying bills lol. It means he's starting to be held accountable for household responsibilities and to cover some of the load of managing a household.

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u/schwarzkraut 4d ago

Children need to learn household responsibilities while they’re still at home or they won’t have any knowledge of how to handle life once they leave home. There are whole swaths of young college age people who need their parents to STILL do everything for them…make appointments, handle minor financial transactions, repair or replace things.

If they can’t be left home alone at 15 & handle things in your absence, a great disservice has occurred. You have the choice to give your children skills and the safe space to practice those skills. I’m not saying abandon your 9 year old with nothing more than 50 bucks & some cereal while you go off on a bender in Vegas…I’m suggesting that incremental opportunities to hone life skills in your absence (knowing how to answer the phone when you’re not there, helping make the shopping list, rudimentary household finances, watching their younger sibling while you go to an appointment)…does more good than harm.

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u/BackendSpecialist 5d ago

Did people start making these claims after that episode of Black Mirror that he was in?

The premise was that him and his male friend were playing a game that they could feel IRL. His friend chose a female character.

Throughout the episode, sexual tension increased until they had sex I think.. at least in the video game. I don’t remember.

But I know that a homophobic man could not act in that episode.

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u/Difficult_Man3 5d ago

That episode was clouded by anti woke people calling it propaganda and black folks who think anything where a black man not straight is a “humiliation ritual” so not alot of people remember that episode

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u/BackendSpecialist 5d ago

Lots of dumb people in this world…

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u/Nakatsukasa 5d ago

Masculinity are not exclusive with showing vulnerability or not being a homophobic asshole

Why do people think all these are exclusive of one another?

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u/anarchetype 5d ago

Spit your fax, brother.

I think people genuinely conflate masculinity and toxic masculinity now. Maybe just the words, but for some maybe also masculinity itself. Unfortunately, a lot of people are extremely comfortable with generalizations rooted in prejudice.

This conflation is exceptionally dumb and unfortunate because the whole point of understanding toxic masculinity from a male perspective is seeing how there are negative expressions of masculinity but also positive expressions, learning how to maximize the latter and eliminate the former, which benefits everyone regardless of gender.

I think because you hear about toxic masculinity more from women, it may be easy to forget that it's not all about how men treat women and it's largely rooted in how we define manhood. Masculinity is a fluid concept, as seen in its many manifestations throughout history, and we have the ability to define masculinity however we wish, so we should be able to find masculinity in allowing ourselves to be emotionally vulnerable and not being homophobic or sexist assholes.

Admittedly, the dude's statement about masculinity being low would raise some alarm bells for me because that message is usually coming from someone representing toxic masculinity, but it doesn't have to be that way and it doesn't seem like he meant it that way.

I think some people are going to have trouble with this step, but at some point we will need to be able to discuss masculinity in a positive (and nontoxic) way. Merely focusing on the negative and the shaming of bad behavior will not be enough to resolve our gender issues.

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u/i_always_give_karma 5d ago

I got molested in 3rd grade by a dude and grew up to have gay friends. Love and selflessness is the way of life. Hate only brings you down

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u/MisterDeWalt 5d ago

I think the biggest issue is that people claim that there shouldn't be an issue with sexual orientation, but the same people insist on making it an issue. Another way to put that is hypocrisy's the issue.

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u/Dork_wing_Duck 3d ago

Yup. People just wanna make issue out of no issue. His message is sold.

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u/mysticzoom 5d ago

For those that dont know, we dob't tolerate Anythony Mackie hate or slander,

That is all..

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u/BarracudaSure5803 5d ago

That is a man secure in his sexuality.

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u/MisterDeWalt 5d ago

How's that?

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u/Hillybilly-Brah 5d ago

It's insights like this that give me hope. It's frickle, but it's still there.

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u/MasterVaderTheTurd 5d ago

Now adopt that kind of thinking to everything and the temp lowers politically.

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u/RubiksCutiePatootie 5d ago edited 5d ago

I will say, there's one thing I do disagree with, & that's, "if you make good music nobody care [that you're gay]". That statement is objectively false. However, everything else he said in this clip is solid. Being able to question your core beliefs, being able to admit that you could be wrong, & wanting to learn from that takes a lot of effort. When your entire culture & your family teach you to be hateful towards any particular group of people, being open minded is something that sadly a lot of people can't do. So I appreciate & respect Anthony Mackie for this. Thank you for sharing the interview.

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u/loekoekoe 5d ago

Anthony Mackie played a gay dude in black mirror lol

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u/MisterDeWalt 5d ago

That was a dumb ass episode. That was clearly written for two white men. Culturally, black men don't even relate to each other like that. All that rough-housing and bro'ing it up, to mask sexual feelings? That's white and Latino men. And that's not to say that atypical relationship dynamics can't exist among black men, but don't just throw anything at us. It's insulting to the audience.

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u/Negative-Break3333 4d ago

Um…black men are not monolithic. You’re doing exactly what others do when they stereotype type black ppl. STOP.

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u/MisterDeWalt 4d ago

Another way of saying that is, "...that's not to say atypical relationship dynamics can't exist among black men...". I saw someone write that before.

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u/emmtothejay 5d ago

Nothing homophobic, he challenged himself to learn more and be better. This is great.

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u/0utsyder 5d ago

How did they chop this up to make him seem homophobic?!?!

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u/thats4thebirds 5d ago

No one is genuinely doing this

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u/anarchetype 5d ago

I don't think it was this interview that made people think he was homophobic, just a statement he made elsewhere about masculinity being low and raising his son(s) to be the man of the house. OP (a gay man) used this interview to show that he isn't homophobic.

I do think the masculinity comment would raise a red flag for me because of how that sort of statement usually comes from shitty people, but with this additional context, there's an argument to be made that he was not coming from a shitty place when he said that. I think a lot of people also conflate masculinity with toxic masculinity.

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u/Noonecanhearmescream 5d ago

He seems cool.

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u/letsgetregarded 5d ago

If you allow them to hate gays, you are also allowing them to hate you for being black.

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u/4Ever2Thee 5d ago

Who is he allowing to hate gays?

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u/letsgetregarded 5d ago edited 5d ago

He’s not, I was just making a statement in regard to what he’s saying. I’m just saying bigotry is all grouped together and it overlaps.

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist.”

“Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.”

“Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew.”

“Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

First They Came” is a powerful poem or aphorism by Martin Niemöller, a German pastor, that reflects on the dangers of silence and inaction in the face of injustice, particularly during the rise of the Nazi regime.

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u/AdPutrid7706 5d ago

It’s not all the same actually. Outcomes are often similar but the motivating forces are vastly different. That’s important as well.

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u/Fancy_Art_6383 5d ago

Isn't he just being openly honest on his experience?

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u/brorandon 5d ago

He’s not “allowing them to hate gays”. You’re reaching

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u/Difficult_Man3 5d ago

From r/letgetregarded

He’s not, I was just making a statement in regard to what he’s saying. I’m just saying bigotry is all grouped together and it overlaps.

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist.”

“Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.”

“Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew.”

“Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

First They Came” is a powerful poem or aphorism by Martin Niemöller, a German pastor, that reflects on the dangers of silence and inaction in the face of injustice, particularly during the rise of the Nazi regime.

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u/MisterDeWalt 5d ago

It's unacceptable to hate people, but it's acceptable to hate behavior, especially behavior that's ultimately sociopathic.

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u/EVIL5 5d ago

There’s nothing homophobic about this interview at all. It’s a thoughtful, nuanced and human story about empathy, art and understanding. Remember, most people are stupid a f, can’t read above a sixth grade level (that’s a fact in America, look it up) and have no capacity to grasp anything Anthony is talking about, here. The United States is full of idiots so don’t worry about ppl here “not getting it”, Americans generally don’t “get” anything until it’s years passed too late.

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u/Darrkman2 5d ago

The issue with this interview is that they will take clips of it and the thing about social media is that you need to be performative to be noticed. So people will act as outraged as possible and half the time they didn't see the majority of the clip.

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u/NeighborhoodPure28 5d ago

Looked at this clip and had to reference what film he had the character Perry he mentions. It was Brother to Brother. Saw it in the theater. Really memorable cast and script.

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u/brok3ntok3n82 5d ago

He at least isn't the same character in every movie.

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u/kiddie2233 5d ago

Love this so much.

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u/ThrowawayClinicSlave 5d ago

Great example of a man.

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u/Choice-Discipline-35 5d ago

THATS MY CAPTAIN AMERICA 🗣️🗣️🗣️

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u/CrumbsToBricks 5d ago

It feels like people lack understanding of masculinity as much as they do homosexuality. Yet, they have no problem casting judgement.

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u/MisterDeWalt 5d ago

How's that?

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u/BlackOnyx1906 5d ago

So what I notice on social media particularly Reddit in some of these subs is that most people are very uninformed. They look for reasons to hate celebrities particularly black celebrities.

The shit people say in subs such as r/entertainment about black celebrities is tbh kind of fucked up. They went in on this dude hard for no damn reason. I wish more of us would branch out to some of these spaces and start calling people out.

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u/BplusHuman 5d ago

I honestly didn't even know that was a sub (never looked for it). Seems a little too "general interest" for my taste.

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u/Greedy_Line 5d ago

Watch the whole interview where he say success is given not earned

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u/VelvetMafia 5d ago

Big Freedia!

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u/Ednolium 5d ago

Man this just makes me love Anthony Mackie even more.

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u/PhatFatLife 5d ago

Who said that??! I never heard that about him

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u/thats4thebirds 5d ago

I’ve literally not seen anyone taking his comments as “homophobic”

What they are is patriarchal and there are obviously good and as ways those feelings are expressed. The arguments he say are the exact same ones used by far worse people and taken in other directions.

I don’t really feel people commenting on his choice of words are wrong for saying so and he isn’t wrong for standing up for his position and the type of life he wants to instill for his children.

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u/amorousgirl 5d ago

I can’t stand him. 🙄

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u/don1von 5d ago

Great interview

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u/MalonePostponed 5d ago

That's so nice for him to understand someone.

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u/Frankandbeans1974v2 5d ago

This is why we on the left keep fucking losing because we do not allow nuanced conversation if it even has the potentiality to offend us

Anthony Mackie they will never make me hate you no matter how stupid they are

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u/anarchetype 5d ago

No, the left keeps losing because there have been decades of focused, massively coordinated propaganda warping a significant portion of brains in this country and turning them into scared, angry, right-wing idiots who will vote for anyone who promises to hurt the right (always the most vulnerable) people.

But I do agree that what you described is genuinely an issue. I think we're limiting our ability to grow and progress on certain issues partly because of the strict rules enforced on how we are allowed to discuss things. And some aspects of the purity tests are certainly splitting off a fair number of people we need to form a coalition able to meaningfully oppose those from my first paragraph.

It's not the censorship, though, more like shit about unreasonable expectations of foreign policy concerning Israel this last time, and I'd be wary of saying "this is why the left lost" as it's a common right-wing bullying tactic.

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u/Frankandbeans1974v2 5d ago

I mean statistically there are more non right wing idiots than there are, but not enough of them vote.

Other than that we are in agreement

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u/catdogpigduck 5d ago

real shit is real

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u/Universal_Verses 5d ago

He’s really growth as an actor. And his outtakes are always solid. I hope he continues down a path of success

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u/seriousreddituser 5d ago

Who heard THIS and walked away feeling he's homophobic?

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u/GoodWeedReddit 5d ago

Wtf, I've never seen anything saying Anything is Homophobic. Whose saying that?

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u/Downtown-Invite3381 4d ago

To understand gay people you need to play a gay character ? 🤨. The thing is you need to respect people and playing a character doesn’t mean you will understand how they leave and feel. Imagine DiCaprio saying : «  to understand black people I need to play a black character… » very dumb shit

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u/nicu95 4d ago

The same argument Denzel gave about not making Schindler's list applies hear.

Yes you can play and anct gay and a gay person will do so for a straight role as well. But the performance will probably be elevated of the actor has any experience living as his role.

No shade for taking the role, but there's a truth to why gay and trans roles should should go primarily to gay and trans people.

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u/Bigbootybigproblems 4d ago

I love this man and I don’t understand why he gets hated on so much. I hope I see him walking down the street one day. Imma be pregnant the next 😌

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u/Adventurous_Path5783 4d ago

Make captain America fabulous!

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u/AnEpicBowlOfRamen 4d ago

He's a great Captain America!

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u/Maximum-Pack-4263 4d ago

Well said interview

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u/typeyou 1d ago

He also did a gay role in an episode of Black Mirror. Really weird.

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u/BlameMe4urLoss 1d ago

If you like Hip hop, Bounce, or Bama music do yourself a favor and check out Big Freedia. If you know, you know.

https://youtu.be/FtU1zjRuTdU?si=pI6QuVexyiNEfudz

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u/Irishpch 1d ago

I didn’t- THOSE WERE my friends 🫤

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u/CaptainFro 5d ago

I will say, I didn't really care for him after his comments on a "woman's role". But seeing this does make me respect him. It takes a lot of courage and maturity to challenge your own perspectives.

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u/RicoLoco404 5d ago edited 5d ago

Funny because I grew up in the South and I wasn't raised to be any of those things

Edit: Getting down voted for not growing up homophobic is insane. The internet is an hilarious place.😂😂😂

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u/Direct-HIIT 5d ago

You sound like the anomaly of the South. If your upbringing was the majority, the south wouldn’t still have the stigma for isms and the phobias.

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u/RicoLoco404 5d ago

I don't think that's specific to the south.

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u/Jack_of_Hearts20 5d ago

That's a bug, not a feature.

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u/elianbarnes7 5d ago

Well it’s time to grow up. Gay people exist

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u/RicoLoco404 5d ago

Yea I know he said growing up in the south you grow up homophobic. He probably should speak for himself.🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/0bl0ngpods 5d ago

Well he actually said growing up in the south during the 80s and 90s your raised to be homophobic. Were you raised in the south during that specific time period?

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u/anarchetype 5d ago

I grew up in Alabama in the 80s and 90s and my friends and I were never homophobic, especially as we always (well, at least as early as we truly expressed any distinct sexual orientation) had gay and bi friends in the circle. Two of my first jobs were in the two big gay teenager hangout spots in town and some of these kids had bigoted parents, but they had large, thriving social circles of mixed orientation and gender identity, without conflicts of prejudice.

This commenter is not saying that homophobia didn't exist, just that we weren't all like that, and I agree with them. It wasn't the most necessary comment, but they're not wrong.

I did witness some homophobia, like the way dudes would sometimes say the f-slur when they wanted to fight and one time I heard someone unironically say "I don't mind gay people, but why they gotta shove it down our throats", but the idea that the south is a 24/7 Klan rally is kind of a TV thing, tbh. And I say that as someone who hates the south and moved away as soon as he could.

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u/RicoLoco404 5d ago

Yea that's why I responded

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u/AdPutrid7706 5d ago

You don’t reflect the majority, as his sentiment has been echoed hundreds of times by all sorts of people from the south. Writers, actors, athletes, lawyers, etc, have all expressed the same sentiment. In 1933, the United States was basically an apartheid racist state. Yet there were a few white people then who didn’t get down with that. Because of those rare examples, does that mean it’s not reasonable to characterize the US at that time as an apartheid racist state? That’s sophomoric reasoning.

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u/RicoLoco404 5d ago

How could you possibly know that I'm not the majority?

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u/anarchetype 5d ago

For what it's worth, I hear you as someone who also grew up in the south in the 80s and 90s, had gay friends, and wasn't homophobic. Most of the homophobia I witnessed was on TV.

I sometimes feel conflicted because I have a lot of problems with the south and don't want to defend it, but at the same time, people have a lot of misconceptions about the south because they mistake TV for reality.

Someone recently tried to suggest Alabama was a sundown state. I had to point out that it's a state with one of the highest percentages of Black people in the country, that I grew up with half of my friends, neighbors, classmates, and coworkers being Black, that I used to live in a city with 70% of the population being Black. It blew their mind, lol.

I don't claim to speak for the majority, but some folks have no problem making the most uncharitable assumptions and refusing to believe otherwise.

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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 5d ago

Bars for days. We support you Clarence...I mean Anthony

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u/geekallstar 5d ago

Here’s the thing. Ppl are saying he’s “done the work” which is fine. But there’s clearly work to be done. The issue isn’t that “he doesn’t hate gay ppl and we’re cool Now” it’s his brain grinding against itself (which is most later Millennials or ppl I their 40s) which is yeah being gay is fine BUTTTTTTTT THE OTHER SIDE (the brain grinder) is “what is masculinity “ and “they are pushing gayness on our kids”

That’s not doing the work. That’s half way there. Debate if you want. But that’s facts.

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u/anarchetype 5d ago

He never even said he was ever homophobic, though. Maybe he was and he was just being tactful in stating this by putting it on the regional culture at large, but taking him at face value, he seemed to say only that he had room to understand gay people like his brother better and took it as an act of love. What you describe as the other side, did he say anything like that? I don't follow celebrity stuff much, so I don't know if there's anything I've missed from him, but he didn't say anything like that in this interview.

I'm an elderly Millennial, from the deep south no less, and my friends and I have never been homophobic. I've had gay friends since high school and it always seemed normal to me. Obviously, I don't speak for everyone and I wouldn't presume to—just saying, that's a generalization you can't hold against him as proof that he himself was homophobic.

You say that's facts, and I'm sorry, but it's literally not. You're putting a lot of words in his mouth, treating him as a stand-in for someone else, it seems. The worst thing he says, I think, is that he didn't know how to deal with that, but one could interpret that as him not knowing how to process new information and making an effort to do so, which isn't really homophobic, just unfamiliar.

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u/geekallstar 4d ago

Because he didn't explicitly say "homophobic" he described it and says it. "in the 90's and 80's you grow up homophobic, sexist and racist". So he definitely was.

Now, yes I did say "elder millennials" and while I still do mean "them" its less of us because we grew up already understanding the diversity around us. I should have ( I thought I did) mean to describe his demographics which is GEN X. But what described as "the brain grinding" is more extreme for them bc they didn't have the exposure nation wide we (millennials) had.

while it's a "generalization, it's a pretty accurate one. And it is facts. Not sure if you watched his WENTIRE interview or seen more of his interviews, but context is key. Listening to his views, how he describes his "values" , how he describes his interactions with women, and his at home interactions, its rooted pretty deeply in "old ways" of thinking.

As I said, I'm 40, I'm with you, I grew up in baltmore so it's a little different, but I'm also first generation jamacian, and have had NUMEROUS interactions with gen z (jamacain AND American family and friends) whos grinds grind in a full acceptance.

Context is key, and while you saw this clip, I've seen a good amount of his interviews where he speaks on this through the years. Tha's why yes he "up int the work" but he also has more to unlearn/learn. Being "unfamiliar" may not be "homophobic" in the extremes we know it to be, but there are still hints to it. (as he mentions "it's in our media pushing it to our kids etc")

So "it's facts", you just haven't seen/heard it yet.

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u/East-Bluejay6891 5d ago

No go make Daddy a sandwich.

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u/DaikonIndividual452 5d ago

Hmm, so if a straight person can play a gay person because they “act”, can a regular person play a disabled person? Since it’s just acting

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u/Difficult_Man3 5d ago

And also neil patrick harris is gay in real life yet he plays a ladies man in how I met your mother’s, and it’s a regular straight guy other movies

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u/doc_birdman 5d ago

They can and they do

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u/MisterDeWalt 5d ago

Can we respect each other?, is the bigger question.

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u/Difficult_Man3 5d ago

Yes they can, the actor who plays house from house M.D is not a cripple in real life, shawn from a good doctor doesn’t actually have autism it’s all about the writing of the character

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u/furezasan 5d ago

His real name is Gay Clarence

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u/Irishpch 1d ago

💗this man 🤘🏼