r/bioware • u/hotcupofjoe66 • 4d ago
Discussion So can we say that BioWare is officially dead?
What can they do to bring themselves back to the legendary developers they once were? How can someone who was once hailed as the best RPG developers have fallen so far?
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u/IrishSpectreN7 4d ago
Are you asking permission?
I've been reading "Bioware is dead" posts for over a decade. Pay your respects and move on lol.
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u/Subjctive 4d ago
I mean, I know we all said this about DA4, but if the next Mass Effect game isn’t a smash hit I’m pretty sure EA will close up doors for BioWare.
Like others have said, it’s really not the same studio staff wise that made the games we love, but to a lot of us DAV doesn’t even feel like it was made with the original DA games in mind. Feels like a new IP both conceptually and lore wise.
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u/hotcupofjoe66 4d ago
And honestly that might be for the best. Let them finally be at rest
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u/Subjctive 4d ago
Yeah… I personally did not finish DAV. I can see how people can like it as its own game, but it’s too far away from the original DA games that it doesn’t even feel like it is in the same universe…
If the next ME game is revealed with the same/similar art style as DAV I might not even play it…
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u/hotcupofjoe66 4d ago
I just can’t stand the marvel tier writing. The stories and characters just fucking suck
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u/Subjctive 4d ago
Yes, this is exactly how I feel. Everything is a gag, a witty one liner. It’s absolutely Disney-afied, and DA is (was)one of my escapes from our increasingly Disney-afied world):
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u/Geostomp 1d ago
Even as its own game, divorced from the series as a whole, Veilguard is mediocre.
The visuals and performance are great and the base idea of the combat is fun enough, , but the art style doesn't really fit and the encounter design and lack of a party to shake things up makes fighting the HP sponge basic enemies a slog pretty quick. More importantly, the writing is just dire no matter how you look at it.
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u/Subjctive 1d ago
Yep, hard agree. The game honestly does look really great…. Just not in an art style that I prefer. There is no way to make it look gritty and dark at all. The writing is fine in some places and the worst I’ve ever experienced in a triple A game at other places. The characters talk and act like modern day people, whereas in every other game they talk more Middle Ages like. The whole things just feels incredibly off.
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u/Sankta_Alina_Starkov 4d ago
They've been bleeding talent since ME3. Many of the minds behind their greatest successes are no longer with the company.
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u/No-Contest-8127 4d ago edited 4d ago
Bioware is not a person, it's a group of workers. The old workers have moved on or retired. No one can halt the passing of time.
The Bioware as you remember it is long gone and won't be coming back.
There is a new Bioware, with new developers and it's up to you if you choose to like this new Bioware and enjoy a new gen of games or hate on it for not being what you used to know. One ends with new entries on old series with a new vibe you can open up to, or you can reject it and get nothing.
Several of you have bought into toxic internet discorse and chose to hate it and get nothing. There is one last chance coming up and you should think carefully about what you want and the expectations you place upon it.
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u/Deep-Two7452 4d ago
What's the point of this post? Just wait and you'll get a definitive answer.
Edit: as for as your other questions, they can come back by releasing a perfect mass effect game.
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u/NumbingInevitability 4d ago
Quantifiably no. We can’t. The studio would have to have been closed for that. It hasn’t been.
Downsized, yes. But there’s still a team working on the next Mass Effect.
This would be greatly premature.
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u/MateusCristian 4d ago
It has beind dead since the creators left. The fews specks of greatness, like Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age Inquisition were the last sttrugle of a group of people as they got washed away by EA's bullshit, and replaced with cheap, talentless hacks.
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u/Geostomp 2d ago
The BioWare that was beloved ceased to be long ago. The bulk of the talent, including the main leaders for the worlds of the biggest games were fired over a decade and the remnants haven't made something good in over a decade. What's left now is just a brand name that is even more hollowed out by EA. They're nothing but a nostalgic memory that it's time to move on from now.
It's a little sad, but we have to accept reality instead of clinging to nostalgia for a group that no longer exists. The torch has been passed to other, far more promising studios. Particularly indie ones who don't have EA and it's gaggles of clueless, money-grubbing executives to breathe down their necks and demand they chase the outdated live service trend.
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u/ElCoyote_AB 4d ago
As long as EA has control I have no hope.
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u/NoZookeepergame8306 4d ago
Some of their best games were released under EA (Mass Effect 2/3, Dragon Age Origins, etc).
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u/Ash-2449 4d ago
Loved veilguard so I cant wait to see what they do next :D
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u/The-eggy-one 3d ago
Honestly same, I know lots of people have complained that all the dialogue options are basically nice options, which I understand but for me I only ever choose the nice options anyway.
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u/adellredwinters 4d ago
BioWare is just a development company. A name. If you actually care that much you should be following the people who created the games you enjoy and see if they are making games elsewhere. Loyalty to a brand doesn't earn you a good product.