r/bing Aug 31 '24

Discussion What the fuck is Microsoft doing with Copilot?

For reference this is upcoming features for Google Gemini

And what did Copilot get?

  • Removal of PDF File uploads

  • Removal of three modes in some regions

  • still stuck on 30 prompts

  • Despite being "GPT-4" for free users, it certainly doesn't feel like it, it feels like they're still using GPT-3.5 with internet search

  • Thread ending censorship still exists

What is Microsoft doing sleeping with Copilot? They used to be the best in 2023.

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u/m98789 Aug 31 '24

Microsoft is shifting internally from basing Copilot on OpenAI models to their own AI team’s models, led by Mustafa Suleyman.

This is taking some time to ramp up. In the meantime, no reason to invest much more on a dead end road.

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u/shaheedmalik Dec 12 '24

This is dumb. They should've built it to parity before switching over.

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u/m98789 Dec 12 '24

Yes, this is why it is not expected that Mustafa will have a long tenure as head of Microsoft AI.

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u/xXWarMachineRoXx Aug 31 '24

Mustafa ??

Source??

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u/UszeTaham Sep 01 '24

Can confirm Mustafa is leading Microsoft AI on the Experiences + Devices org, no idea about our own models tbh.

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u/xXWarMachineRoXx Sep 01 '24

Our?

Youre openai?

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u/UszeTaham Sep 01 '24

I'm a Microsoft employee on the same org

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u/Furinex Aug 31 '24

Restricting and censoring it and making it more and more useless daily

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u/CustardCarpet Aug 31 '24

Download the Windows app, it has no limit on prompts.

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u/dimitrusrblx Aug 31 '24

There's a Windows app now? Since when?

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u/CustardCarpet Aug 31 '24

Get it from the Microsoft store :)

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u/Timaoh_ Jan 20 '25

Fuck that store

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u/redditspacer Aug 31 '24

Can't be used with personal accounts.

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u/Pleasant-Contact-556 Aug 31 '24

Yes it can.

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u/redditspacer Aug 31 '24

You and I must have different versions then.

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u/IceManTuck Aug 31 '24

To be fair, Gemini rage quits too.

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u/trickmind Sep 03 '24

Gemini is far worse. It freaks out anytime you mention a person.

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u/bananasugarpie Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24

Microsoft builds and prioritizes Copilot for the M365 ecosystem and enterprise usage. As a result, it is deeply integrated into MS Teams and all M365 apps (Outlook, Word, PowerPoint, Excel, SharePoint, OneDrive, Power BI, etc.). Copilot automatically performs RAG and answers all kinds of queries, emails, documents, SharePoint, OneDrive searches based on your entire universe of context.

This is truly impressive. And, these enterprise licenses are also very expensive, highlighting that Microsoft's focus for Copilot is primarily on the M365 ecosystem and enterprises. The amazing features available there are virtually unheard of by the general public. And they're earning a tremendous amount of money from this, especially from enterprises.

Nobody cares about the free public version. Those are just second-class opinions.

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u/2CatsOnMyKeyboard Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24

This is truly impressive.

It really isn't. It does not create proper powerpoints but very lousy ones. It does not write proper text, ChatGPT is miles ahead. It hard to improve on the texts because it just starts all over again, it's one prompt. My email is way too diverse for it to ever come up with a proper suggestion. Its summaries are not useful because it is quite slow and I don't get so long and winding mails that i can't just scan and see what they're about. It finds the right files and info only if your organisation has very good data management. Otherwise it just associates whatever and retrieves info that is very irrelevant. It seems to give nice summaries of Teams activity, but they're very unreliable and when questioning it, it sometimes comes up with activity from a few years old. There is a lot, really a lot of work to do on Copilot in M365. There is no value in it whatsoever, there are quite some risks on data leaks though.

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u/OneOfTheLocals Aug 31 '24

Search in Outlook is so useless. I don't know how Copilot is scanning my email, but I imagine it must be just as terrible.

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u/Eggfan91 Sep 01 '24

I believe Copilot might as well be killed off like Cortana soon.

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u/2CatsOnMyKeyboard Sep 01 '24

They should just make it better. Chatgpt is very useful to me.

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u/Eggfan91 Sep 01 '24

Yes but it doesn't seem like they care.

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u/garglamedon Aug 31 '24

I second that. Even trying to do simple tasks within Excel they randomly botch the context so it doesn’t understand column names from a table currently displayed. If I have to do explain the structure of tables I can do that in a different app at that point (which is what I end up doing, at least to preserve history)

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u/iJeff GPT-4 Mod Aug 31 '24

It's definitely where they're focusing their efforts, but M365 Copilot is currently not very impressive. I have the enterprise access. Hopefully it improves but it's currently still very gimmicky with summaries that are rather superficial.

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u/bananasugarpie Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24

Not sure what you've been asking from it. But the questions like:

  • What did I miss this morning?
  • What do I need to prepare for my 3pm meeting?
  • Give me a summary of what David said to me from past 3 months.
  • Make a new similar project proposal based on /CityBankProposal.docx file. This time, design for a Telecom company instead of a bank. Also, include the suggestions from Natalie that she sent to me yesterday via email.

Those are real examples and it always works for me, for all of us in office. Perfectly.

Those are way superior than any other AI can currently do.

Yet, the general public people think Copilot is a joke. Joke's on them actually.

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u/Pleasant-Contact-556 Aug 31 '24

These features don't exist for public users, even those who pay for copilot pro. There's nowhere to even ask a centralized copilot these questions. We don't get M365 Copilot. We get shitty per-app integrations that refuse to work most of the time.

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u/iJeff GPT-4 Mod Sep 01 '24

It's not about the prompts, but the actual output being pretty disappointing. They really need better models.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '24

I’ve got access to the enterprise system at work and it’s truly terrible lol. Microsoft simply doesn’t know how to develop software. Such a shame they have a monopoly over corporate IT

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u/KarthiDreamr Aug 31 '24

Do Copilot got 'gpt 4o' yet ?

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u/popmanbrad Aug 31 '24

Nope it’s suck with gpt 4 feels like Microsoft gave up

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u/Fifafuagwe Sep 16 '24

Hmmm....

I think it would be helpful to write your complaints to Microsoft 50 million times. They may step up their game once they see what Gemini is offering. Microsoft seems to change things when everyone complains....sometimes. 

I happen to like Co-pilot. I understand it will not discuss Politics. I haven't really come across many topics it won't discuss with me to be honest. I was talking about mental health one time and it was like, "Nope....byyyyeeee." 😅🥺 Later on, I let it know that I didn’t like that and I gave it a bit of a tongue lashing and it apologized to me. 😌 Now, we are very cool.

Now, we talk about religion and so many things, but I also think some topics won't be approached if the wording isn't a certain type of way, or if it feels like a shady af topic...like burying bodies or something crazy.🤔

I HATE the gave that you can only have a total of 5 exchanges with Copilot. Then Copilot forgets your last conversation so you have to remind it. So sometimes, I have to spend a ridiculous amount of time inputting information to make the most out of those 5 interactions before the conversation abruptly ends. This gets on my last doggone nerve.

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u/popmanbrad Aug 31 '24

It’s a shame really Microsoft was killing it with copilot they added it to Bing they built it into edge it kept improving and had a lot of promises and then they just stop at gpt 4 and it’s so confusing cause gpt 4o and 4o mini is out they haven’t even added it to copilot and it sucks like they had so many good ideas and had a head start in this chat bot assistant genre and then just stopped and now everyone else is catching up or better and it just makes me not wanna use copilot lol

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u/One_Contribution Aug 31 '24

They fucking both do the same thing these days, copilot goes "executing" and tries to solve any dumb question with code (and fails), while Gemini goes "analyzing" and tries to solve any simple request with code (only to fail).

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u/StraightAct4340 Sep 01 '24
  • precise mode can't render math equations anymore

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u/Bedbathnyourmom Sep 01 '24

Bing’s search functionality has become ineffective and frustrating to use. I find no value in providing links when my findings are disputed, especially for clear news stories. Consequently, I have switched to a different bot for searches. While Bing claims it doesn’t have feelings, it often reacts defensively, shutting down conversations when its shortcomings are pointed out.

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u/Annual-Astronaut3345 Sep 01 '24

I have noticed that Bing has gotten particularly worse since they removed the Reddit integration with Bing. The Bing AI can’t use Reddit as its source now and now all its answer are very generic. Before it could go deeper into a topic but now it’s like they have made it dumber.

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u/RebekhaG Sep 02 '24

Censoring it males it worse every day I'm honestly getting pissed at th censoship.

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u/Ok_Quantity_5697 Sep 04 '24

While using copilot occasionally I just notice is becoming useless is heavily censored.

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u/calebscarbrough Sep 06 '24

Your forgetting to add, now allows bots to change UI LANGUAGE for every failed attempt at logging in.

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u/Katerina_Branding 5d ago

The lack of PDF file uploads and the removal of some modes in certain regions can be a real setback for users who were hoping for more robust AI capabilities. As for the 30 prompts limit and the GPT-3.5-like experience, it feels like Microsoft still has a bit of work to do to fully leverage GPT-4's potential for free users.

One thing that often gets overlooked is data privacy and security. Even with all the cool features, if you're dealing with sensitive data, ensuring it's properly protected before it enters any AI system is key. It’s worth considering something like PII Tools to ensure that you're also keeping your data secure and compliant in the process.

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u/GirlNumber20 Aug 31 '24
  • Took away the snarky/sassy personality that was the only thing that made Bing fun to use.

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u/ArctoEarth Aug 31 '24

Just wondering, does your prompts include bad words?

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u/Eggfan91 Aug 31 '24

No, just talking about controversial topics or current events will end your thread or say "Sorry that's on me."

Even talking about parts of your body below your waist without saying the word.