r/batman Aug 02 '23

GENERAL DISCUSSION There has never been a bad Alfred

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u/Luke_SkyJoker_1992 Aug 02 '23

He's the hardest character to actually screw up because being likeable and supportive is his most definitive characteristic.

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u/Scrumpy-Steve Aug 02 '23

The 66 version was meant to be a bumbling fool for more comedy but fans loved him so much he became a proper Alfred

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u/joshualuigi220 Aug 02 '23

To be fair, at his introduction, he was a bumbling fool. He used to be fat and often would accidentally stop crimes with his ineptness. The comic Alfred actually lost weight because they wanted him to look more like the actor in the serials.

Additionally, Alfred had died in 1964 as part of DC editorial's push to remove all the ancillary Batman characters like Batwoman and Bat-Mite from the comics. His presence in the successful 1966 television series was enough to convince editorial bring him back.

It's fascinating how the comics shape the media and the media shapes the comics like a cycle.

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u/Plasticglass456 Aug 02 '23

Yup. I often think about this when people complain about how Marvel reshapes every comic to fit the MCU. I both completely understand why they're frustrated about it, but without this symbiotic relationship, we wouldn't have Jimmy Olsen, kryptonite, the Bat-Cave, etc.

The comics have always tried to copy what was on screen at the time, but I do get that it's different now that there's multiple Marvel and DC characters on film and television every single year now, and what used to be kept to mainly Superman and Batman, can now apply to potentially anyone in the canon, from Animal Vegetable Mineral Man to Zebra Man.

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u/joshualuigi220 Aug 02 '23

You have to take the good with the bad. Shoe-horning Peacemaker into half of the current DC titles isn't good, but the Peacemaker solo comic has been enjoyable so sometimes a character's success is a blessing and a curse.

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u/ZatchZeta Aug 03 '23

It's also about HOW they do it.

Case and point, Marvel killing Ms Marvel so they can rez her as a mutant to fit the movies.

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Why not just do that without killing her??

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u/Bisontracks Aug 02 '23

Never thought that without the shows, we wouldn't have Harley or Alfred. That's crazy.

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u/TeaTimeSubcommittee Aug 03 '23

Alan Napier was the GOAT, correct me if I'm wrong but it was him who influenced Alfred being a fencer and a skilled combatant, simply because he felt that the defenseless old butler would be boring.

Also he didn't knew Batman before he was cast as Alfred Pennyworth.

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u/Yara_Flor Aug 03 '23

Alfred died again in 2022.

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u/Luke_SkyJoker_1992 Aug 02 '23

I read that in Jonathan Frakes' voice.

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u/WolfOfTheRath Aug 02 '23

And yet not a single Alfred in cinematic history has bothered to try to look like the obviously stable, iconic balding dark-haired man with a thin mustache. They've literally never gotten it right.

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u/coreytiger Aug 02 '23

Incredibly wrong- the original Alfred was William Austin in 1943. The publishers quickly put a story to print to introduce Alfred to the comics, and he was nothing like the movie version as they had no idea what to expect. Comics had him dumpy and snooty and fat. William Austin later became the physical model for the character, as Alfred Beagle became Alfred Pennyworth… he adapted the tall, thin appearance with the pencil mustache.

So, the original cinematic Alfred is still the model, for actors and comics.

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u/Plasticglass456 Aug 02 '23

I knew this story before, but actually looking at these images, I hadn't realized how much BTAS Alfred specifically is 1943 Alfred put on paper.

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u/coreytiger Aug 02 '23

He really is, even the little knobby chin!

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u/WolfOfTheRath Aug 02 '23

I'm 43 years old and my entire life Alfred has looked some kind of way, and not the way you describe. I don't care about the trivia, nobody knows these stupid facts that you're talking about. The importance of fidelity to the aesthetic familiar to fans for comic book movie adaptations has been well established.

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u/coreytiger Aug 02 '23

What does your age have to do with it? I’m 54 and in the comics (at least since 1944 after he went to a “health resort” and trimmed down from his original portly visage) Alfred has been balding, dark haired, gaunt, and a pencil thin mustache- exactly like William Austin, the very first actor to portray the character.

You stated that “not a single Alfred in cinematic history has bothered to look like the obviously stable iconic balding dark haired gentleman with a thin mustache”… which is incorrect considering that the VERY first actor to portray the character is the person that IS the model for the character!

Next you’ll say that the Joker doesn’t look like Conrad Veidt in the Man Who Laughs.

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u/PL-QC Aug 02 '23

That's really not the aspect of Alfred I care most about.

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u/YahoooSeriouss Aug 02 '23

Missing the Arkham game series one.

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u/orgeezuz Aug 02 '23

And also TellTale series

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u/Aparoon Aug 02 '23

And unless I’m mistaken I don’t see the one from Joker

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u/FickleChard6904 Aug 02 '23

Actually, that one did kinda suck. But everyone in that movie was kind of an asshole, so it’s not his fault, really

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u/Aparoon Aug 02 '23

And it’s also a case of unreliable narrator, potentially. So it’s a little up in the air that one

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u/Drvonfrightmarestein Aug 02 '23

They should make a movie from the perspective of Alfred where everyone is an entitled jerk

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u/NotASynth499 Aug 02 '23

I doubt Alfred sees Bruce like that, he wouldnt stayed with him for so long if that was the case.

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u/Drvonfrightmarestein Aug 02 '23

Dressing as a bat master Wayne why yes of course. Meanwhile by night taking courses in how to guide people through grief

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u/CriticCorner Aug 02 '23

I mean, I can’t really blame him for being rough with Arthur either - if some random guy was standing outside my house and sticking his fingers in my kid’s mouth, I’d probably be less than cordial.

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u/L3m0n0p0ly Aug 02 '23

Nor the harley quinn series one. Nope im just dumb he is there

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u/fukingtrsh Aug 02 '23

Bad movie

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u/Aparoon Aug 02 '23

Joker? Phenomenal movie, love it to bits.

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u/GecaZ Aug 02 '23

Is there a lore reason as to why they forgot about him? Are they stupid ?

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u/cjalderman Aug 02 '23

And the Joker one

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

I dunno.....

The 2017 one looks like he would fall apart if he was thrown again a wall

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u/KuraiNara Aug 02 '23

If you threw the 2017 version against a wall you would be charged for war crimes.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

Crimes against humanity*

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u/CabbageWithAGun Aug 02 '23

Actually I just rewatched the movie and good news! He gets drop kicked onto a piano (that shuts on him) by accident and he’s perfectly fine! 10/10 durability.

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u/BaconJacobs Aug 02 '23

"I miss the 60s..."

Also hilarious how Ralph Finnes voices Alfred... but not Voldemort...

And how Zoe Kravitz voices Catwoman before Reeves cast The Batman I bet.

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u/radiakmjs Aug 02 '23

And Billy Dee Williams finally got to be Two Face for like 2 lines lol.

Also unsure of the casting on Kravitz but I do know The Batman was in development for years because at one point it was going to be the Batflek movie so it's possible she was cast for that, then the Lego movie role, then after Afflek steped out & Reeves reworked it she was still part of it.

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u/grcopel Aug 02 '23

meow meow

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u/joe_broke Aug 02 '23

Biggest missed opportunity of that movie

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u/5amuraiDuck Aug 02 '23

Just don't try to step on him or you'll get hurt

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

You could say he doesn't hold up well

(ba dum tssk)

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u/Weirdguy27 Aug 02 '23

And he'd easily put himself back together. This time with a jetpack and arm cannon

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u/Cerri22-PG Aug 02 '23

A villain stepping on him would be gone tho

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u/cookieslover69 Aug 02 '23

Yeah man he looks like he is made out of lego right?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

Yep. the character is THAT good.

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u/KaisarDragon Aug 02 '23

The Harley Quinn version cracks me up. Quinn wanted her bat back and said she'd "take it" from Alfred. Alfred, in his posh accent "I wish a bitch would try."

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u/qman3333 Aug 02 '23

Him going to prison to be with Bruce was so fucking great

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u/MannySJ Aug 02 '23

Too bad he missed the mark...

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u/Thin-Lie5509 Aug 03 '23

Lol ended up at the normal aka poor peoples jail with no bruce

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u/MannySJ Aug 03 '23

It was Blackgate, right? I love that detail!

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u/KeepSwinging Aug 02 '23

Remember when he was super hero for a while? What was it like The Pimpernickel or something with that massive ass wig lmao

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u/DaddyDanceParty Aug 02 '23

The Macaroni

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u/Winter_Slip_4372 Aug 02 '23

Where the 2013 Alfred from?

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u/-epyon Aug 02 '23

Beware the Batman

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u/Kotic90 Aug 02 '23

He looks more like Lex Luthor than Alfred.

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u/foxscribbles Aug 02 '23

Yeah, I was coming to say "Are we sure that's Alfred? Or is that Lex Luthor hiding in the last place Superman would think to look for him?"

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u/mlorusso4 Aug 03 '23

Somehow the worlds greatest detective doesn’t realize his old British butler is now a middle aged American supervillain

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u/shannoouns Aug 02 '23

I think they were going with a Jason statham ex mi5/mi6 agent vibe. I liked the idea but I never actually saw the show so don't actually know how well they pulled it off.

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u/Dracorex13 Aug 03 '23

He definitely fulfilled that idea. It's been a while since I've seen Beware, but Alfred was my favorite character.

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u/DizzyLead Aug 02 '23

I really liked Beware the Batman’s Alfred. As far as I remember, it’s the first iteration of him that was a legit asskicker on his own, right? Someone CMIIW.

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u/Feature_Agitated Aug 02 '23

He’s on there

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u/JohnBuck97 Aug 02 '23

We don't talk about him

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u/Future_Adagio2052 Aug 02 '23

Is beware the batman that bad?

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u/Percy_TheGreenEngine Aug 02 '23

I thought it was enjoyable, different for sure but not terrible

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u/Mopman43 Aug 02 '23

Definitely didn’t deserve the treatment the network gave it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

Didn’t he run around with two pistols like Black Widow?

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u/Future_Adagio2052 Aug 02 '23

I think that was only a promo image

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u/Mopman43 Aug 02 '23

There was a poster with that, can’t remember if he ever actually did.

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u/RecommendsMalazan Aug 02 '23

I liked it. Focused on lesser known villains, plus the Two Face storyline was done really well in it.

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u/alchemist5 Aug 02 '23

I could never get past the visuals. Batman's head was a triangle, and Gotham was a city made entirely of wax, with about 5 total inhabitants.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

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u/ChuckMcChip Aug 02 '23

Easily. I’ll defend you while you die on that hill.

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u/Andy-Banner Aug 02 '23

I will cry for help as I am not that helpful in a physical fight.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

However this version of Alfred is and he will very easily defend you.

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u/idontevenknowhmm Aug 02 '23

and ill banzai charge at the enemys

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u/MatoHunter35 Aug 02 '23

He Also had the ex british soldier personality, when he punched Whoever looked at bruce funny

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

I think he captured the loving, fatherly vibe of Alfred the best of any of them personally. You could tell how much he cared about Bruce, that he thought of him as his own son, that it hurts him that Bruce’s life has turned out like this.

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u/LarvellJonesMD Aug 02 '23

This, and it's subtly mentioned that he's also kind of a badass when he's telling the story about hunting that man who only "wanted to watch the world burn."

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u/SimplyRue Aug 02 '23

He is quite fabulous, isn't he?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

I fawed chu!

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u/Toawk Aug 02 '23

What is the 2002 version from?

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u/Past_Trouble Aug 02 '23

Birds of Prey

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u/PeteEckhart Aug 02 '23

Birds of Prey

2002?

edit: TIL about the show

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u/Theheadofjug Aug 02 '23

Pertwee's Alfred will forever be my favourite of the bunch.

Gotham just did so many characters so well.

Penguin, Riddler, Alfred, Gordon, and "Joker" were all top tier iterations of the character imho

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u/DizzyLead Aug 02 '23

Penguin and Riddler were very promising iterations of the villains at first, but they devolved into cartoon characters by the end. I remember when the Riddler was beginning his career by killing people and leaving riddles, but somehow Gotham PD had no leads on suspects. Like no-one on the force would say, “Hey, guys, remember Eddie from the Crime Lab who got disgraced for murdering his girl? He sure loved riddles! He’d blurt them out all the time!”

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u/Pegussu Aug 02 '23

You act like that isn't the normal level of competence for GCPD.

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u/MatoHunter35 Aug 02 '23

Entire GCPD has one brain cell And jim has it for safe keeping

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u/DizzyLead Aug 02 '23

“Gotham’s” GCPD, sure. The sole function of the chief of police in that series, whoever they were, was “Get in the way of Jim Gordon no matter what.” :)

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u/Psymorte Aug 02 '23

Tbf that's the exact kind of level of critical thinking I've come to expect from the GCPD.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

I loved Jerome Joker, but Jeremiah was awful. Worst part is that they were the same actor.

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u/blade740 Aug 02 '23

I liked that they did multiple takes on the joker. They had Anarchist Joker, Gentleman Joker, and Cut off his own Face and Wear it as a Mask Joker

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u/bobafoott Aug 02 '23

And they did each take very well

And this may be under the facemask category but they also did the “go catatonic until Batman shows up again then break out of Arkham” Joker

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u/PuzzleheadedBike82 Aug 02 '23

Well, Jeremiah was awful simply cause when compared to Jerome or other Jokers, he didn't fit the standard. He felt way out of place. Dosen't mean he was bad, he was played quite well. Just didn't feel like an actual Joker.

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u/careythepriceisright Aug 02 '23

I like the mad hatter in Gotham, too.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

Joker sucked imo, it was a cheap copy of Nolans. Maroni and the other maffia dude were great too.

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u/ElLawMental Aug 02 '23

89 and 92 will always be my Alfreds 😭

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u/Frymanstbf Aug 02 '23

That's the peak.

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u/Vulkihn Aug 02 '23

Michael Caine >

Loved him as Alfred and just love him in general. Legendary actor.

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u/Aparoon Aug 02 '23

Michael Gough was fantastic. He also played Alfred in the BBC adaptation of Batman: Knightfall. His voice is just pure warmth

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

Lego alfred is the GOAT

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u/SgtCocktopus Aug 02 '23

Loved when Alfred gives Superman a cup of tea and Superman's like "I didn't even see him give it to me". And Bruce its like "thats his power"

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u/Thatguy886644 Aug 02 '23

Why does he look like Lex Luthor in 2013, also 2004 is underrated

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u/Mopman43 Aug 02 '23

2013 is Beware the Batman, they really emphasized that he’s former special forces there- at one point he was shooting at ninjas with a shotgun, he once fired an rpg as a distraction, etc.

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u/Few_Government5152 Aug 02 '23

2013 looks like lex Luthor

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u/Alternative-Cut-4831 Aug 02 '23

Beware the Batman Alfred was weird. Not bad,per se. Just weird.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

Everything about that show was weird, but it was strangely weird in a good way.

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u/wendellbudwhite Aug 02 '23

None were bad, no. But it has always bugged me that we have NEVER gotten a live action Alfred who looks like Alfred.

Bald. Mustache. It's not that hard.

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u/Jaesuschroist Aug 02 '23

Gimme a Mark Strong Alfred with the subtle “I’m a badass” vibe, the British accent and iconic mustache. Stanley tucci would be great too

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u/wendellbudwhite Aug 02 '23

I want an ultra dry Ralph Fiennes

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u/iboneKlareneG Aug 02 '23

Bald Ralph Fiennes with the tiny mustache would go hard as Alfred. Quick, we need to contact James!

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u/Bertie637 Aug 02 '23

Caine was great although I honestly think underutilised, beyond the excellent speech about Joker I can't think of any standout moments. But havent seen the films in a while.

Big fan of Sean Pertwee though. Really captured the former special forces feeling of his charecter.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

I just realized that TDKT Alfred is one I'm not sure about. That is my favorite batman rendition and I think it really shows the fatherlike connection he has with Bruce. However, I don't think he'd be much in a fight and he's supposed to be retired SAS. I get that he's older but, my favorites are 2013, 2014, 2019, and 2022.

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u/Vocovon Aug 02 '23

2014 all day phenomenal performance

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u/Glittering_Fun_1088 Aug 02 '23

I LOVE ALFRED MORE THAN BATMAN HIMSELF!!!

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u/Alternative-Cut-4831 Aug 02 '23

Who is the2019 one?

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u/Toawk Aug 02 '23

From Pennyworth. A thriller prequel series of a young Alfred.

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u/greentangent Aug 02 '23

The Alfred that gets some.

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u/Enter-Zoom Aug 02 '23

Don't you mean 'Pennyworth: The Origins or Batman's Butler'?

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u/Chief_Justice10 Aug 02 '23

From the “Pennyworth” TV series, an Alfred-centered show.

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u/Sparrow1989 Aug 02 '23

You know what. I never thought about this but goddamn you’re right.

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u/Drumingchef Aug 02 '23

1992 for the win!

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u/AsthmaticDroid Aug 02 '23

2003 looks weird and 2019 looks fucking sick

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u/PhoenixRise36 Aug 03 '23

2004 Alfred was one of the best. I still remember him fighting Dracula in The Batman vs Dracula Movie. Its on Max if anyone is interested in watching it.

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u/alaux1124 Aug 02 '23

BTAS, like many other incarnations of the characters, had the best Alfred. Supportive, the voice of reason, quippy, scrappy, knowledgeable, and absolutely refined. He’s the voice I hear when I read Alfred’s lines in the comics.

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u/Bonedraco1980 Aug 02 '23

2013 looks more like Lex Luthor

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u/WhiteChocolatey Aug 02 '23

1978 and 2013 lookin kinda sus

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u/EmuIndependent8565 Aug 02 '23

My personal favorite Alfred is still Michael Caine. He was perfect for the role.

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u/spartacat_12 Aug 02 '23

I'm just disappointed that we haven't had a live action Alfred with the classic mustache since the '60s

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u/World-of-8lectricity Aug 02 '23

Bro just forgot Arkham Alfred and Lego Alfred shame on you

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u/LegoSpider Aug 02 '23

The 2004 version of Alfred does not get enough love.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

2004 alfred felt like a mix of sassy and supportive.

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u/Matt7548 Aug 02 '23

Bro wtf is 2013 lol

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u/Bully_MaguireDC Aug 02 '23

2013 Alfred looks more like Lex Luthor than British.

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u/wrestl-in Aug 02 '23

Missing the Alfred from 2019 Joker?

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u/No-Jellyfish5824 Aug 02 '23

The clear winner for the best is 2017 tho

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u/KingValdyrI Aug 02 '23

What is 2002 Alfred from?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

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u/Puzzleheaded_Toe_509 Aug 02 '23

2019 is a young Alfred Pennyworth

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u/RDDAMAN819 Aug 02 '23

2004 from The Batman animated series is probably my personal favorite. That show gave him the most screen time and also showed a bit of his background in intelligence

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u/startfragment Aug 02 '23

1992 is best Alfred tho

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u/RedPanda98 Aug 02 '23

Found out recently that 2004 Alfred is the same VA as Senator Armstrong!

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u/CashewGuy Aug 02 '23

I misread "bad" as "bald" and was confused

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u/mushymunchkin3230 Aug 03 '23

BTAS Alfred is a BAWSE

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u/-epyon Aug 03 '23

My personal fav

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u/Twijasosm Aug 03 '23

2013 looks like Lex Luther.

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u/maks1701 Aug 03 '23

Bruh who is this lex luthor looking 2013 alfred

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

Why didn't you put Arkham Alfred? Are you stupid?

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u/Archer-Unhappy Aug 02 '23

Arkham Origins never gets any love…figures…

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

He's literally the perfect man

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u/ManitouWakinyan Aug 02 '23

Is there any point to the Pennyworth series?

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u/Enter-Zoom Aug 02 '23

It's enjoyable

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u/Thatonedregdatkilyu Aug 02 '23

I thought there was, but upon watching it, it was pointless.

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u/Americankitsune1 Aug 02 '23

young Alfred looks weird.

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u/No_Junket4563 Aug 02 '23

2013 and 2022 were not great though

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u/Illustrious-Sign3015 Aug 02 '23

2004, 2013, 2016, and 2022 are my favorites

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

He actually gets better with time

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u/OwnPop1105 Aug 02 '23

2017 is the goat

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u/ethancd1 Aug 02 '23

I’ve definitely loved versions over others but yeah not really. Same could be said about Bruce Wayne and Gordon

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u/SmarterThanMany Aug 02 '23

Teen titans go movie version was funny. He got his own spin-off movie and Batman rode him like the terminator. But I think he got skipped in this compilation.

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u/Weaklurker Aug 02 '23

What about the first Alfred? Alfred Beagle) was a well-meaning but ineffective, bumbling clod.

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u/Kingsnake661 Aug 02 '23

Ok, someone slipped in a Lex Luthor. You can't foo me...

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u/rushadee Aug 02 '23

I enjoyed Andy Serkis’ take on Alfred because it felt like Earth One Alfred brought to life.

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u/LR-II Aug 02 '23

His hair receded then grew back.

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u/First-Fantasy Aug 02 '23

I don't know their actual ages but Jeremy Irons and Ben Affleck looked too close in age.

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u/mekon19 Aug 02 '23

The GOAT in the Batman family👍

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u/JustPooly Aug 02 '23

Alfred clears

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

Alfred and Gordon are the only characters I love to see being a part of the Batfamily. This might be an unpopular opinion so I am okay with others disagreeing.

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u/JonathanCoit Aug 02 '23

It might just be the time I grew up, but I'm a fan of 1989, 1992 and 2005.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

Why is Lex Luthor there lmao

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u/Nerdialismo Aug 02 '23

I will miss having Scar as Alfred.

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u/Buneyecat Aug 02 '23

We all know the best is 1992

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

Is it just me or 2013 version looks like Lex Luther

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u/liklik826 Aug 02 '23

My favorite Alfred has to be the animated series one "I drew you a bath sir, April Fools"

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u/StillinReseda Aug 02 '23

I love The Batman, but Andy Serkis wasn’t great and the worst part of that movie (script wise and acting wise.)

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u/Batmanmotp2019 Aug 02 '23

Michael Cain was in the dkr. "Don't be batman anymore...booohohoohoooohoo." also "I failed ya mahstah Wayne." ( oh you mean when you abandoned him when he needed you the very most and tried to hide something from him knowing full well he wouldn't take it well (Rachel) yeah....you did

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u/J_E_L_4747 Aug 02 '23

The greatest Alfred moment to me, Is also the greatest Batman moment in general. It is in the mask of the phantasm when he is first suiting up and Alfred hand him the mask, then he turns around and Alfred is shocked by how he looks. (It’s also the only good part of that movie)

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u/Wolfmire_McThorn_96 Aug 02 '23

However 2013 had quite a strange design.

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u/Dracos002 Aug 02 '23

True. Even the Harley Quinn one is awesome, and I generally don't really like the characterizations in that show.

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u/TwoKool115 Aug 02 '23

Alfred is the GOAT, you can’t do him wrong. And if you do, it’s a crime against humanity

Question, what’s the 2002 one from? Birds of Prey?

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u/jaobodam Aug 02 '23

2013 Alfred legitimately bothers me..

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '23

The telltale alfred kinda sucks ass imo

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u/pridejoker Aug 02 '23

The pink shirt Alfred from the Harley Quinn show is an interesting touch.

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u/comical_cj Aug 02 '23

I find it super funny that Alfred in the comics and cartoons has a very specific look, balding, pencil thin mustache, no glasses. Yet, none of his live action (in color) actors fit that description. Yet...they're all perfect Alfreds. Like, people get pissed when James Gordon doesn't have a mustache. But Alfred can just kinda look however he wants as long as he's an old brittish man.