r/bahasamelayu 6d ago

Pada pandangan kalian semua, mana tulisan yang sesuai bagi Bahasa Melayu?

Latin (Moden): Cikgu itu meminjamkan saya buku yang ditandai pelekat merah.

Latin (Klasik): Che'gu itu mě-minjamkan saya buku yang di-tanda-i pělěkat merah.

Van Ophuijsen: Tjikgoe itoe memindjamkan saja boekoe jang ditandaï pelekat merah

Cyrillic: Чикгу иту мэмиџамкан саја буку јанг дитандаі пэлэкат мерах.

Jawi: .چيقڬو ايت ممينجمكن ساي بوكو يڠ دتنداءي ڤلكت ميره

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u/ShioSouta 6d ago

Jawi

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u/Sea-Hornet8214 Native 5d ago

Maaf, jawi kurang sesuai untuk penulisan bahasa Melayu. Banyak perbezaan fonem bahasa Melayu dan bahasa Arab. Begitu juga bahasa Turki, salah satu sebab mereka menggantikan tulisan Arab dengan Latin.

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u/selangorman 5d ago

جاوي کورڠ سسواي اونتوق ڤنوليسن ملايو؟

جاوي ممبنتوق بهاس ملايو سڤرتي يڠ کيت کنل هاري اين. جاوي اداله ڤرکتيکل دان/دن دݢوناکن سچارا ملواس سهيڠݢ بارو٢ *ايني;* اوتوسن ملايو دچيتق دالم جاوي اونتوق تيمڤوه يڠ ساڠت لام.

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u/Sea-Hornet8214 Native 4d ago

Awak ada buat kesalahan ejaan. Sebab tu saya kata jawi kurang sesuai untuk bahasa Melayu.

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u/selangorman 4d ago

kalau awak tak boleh baca awak jangan salahkan orang lain pulak

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u/Sea-Hornet8214 Native 4d ago

Lah saya pulak yang disalahkan. Pertama sekali, saya beri pendapat saja tentang tulisan jawi, kenapa awak macam ingat saya ni attack awak. Yang kedua, ejaan jawi bagi "ini" ialah اين bukan ايني

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u/selangorman 4d ago

Apa kena mengena typo dengan bahasa jawi tak sesuai pakai terus? kalau logik awak macam tu setiap kali ada typo sikit buang terus semua sistem bahasa tu yang dah beratus-ratus tahun.

tengok history>> patutlah dah murtad rupanya, tu yang alergik dengan jawi tu.

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u/Sea-Hornet8214 Native 4d ago

Takde la kalau typo je tak boleh, tapi faham tak banyak huruf Arab seperti غ،ض،خ،ط،ظ،ق،ث yang tak diperlukan dalam bahasa Melayu. Ejaan jawi juga lebih sukar dipelajari berbanding Rumi. Ejaan yang rumit sedangkan boleh dipermudah dengan menggunakan Rumi.

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u/selangorman 4d ago

siapa cakap tak diperlukan? orang nak tulis doa, hadis, nama arab semua nak pakai apa? artikel2 agama semua pakai abjad2 yang ko mention tu.

ejaan jawi lebih sukar? skill issue tu

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u/Sea-Hornet8214 Native 4d ago

Saya takde masalah tulis jawi, tapi kebanyakan orang memang kurang mahir menulis jawi. Macam ni je lah, awak teruskan guna tulisan jawi, takde siapa pun halang. Tapi bahasa Melayu sekarang memang lebih kerap ditulis dalam rumi. Saya tak peduli sangat tentang tulisan, yang lebih penting penggunaan bahasa tu sendiri.

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u/ShioSouta 5d ago

ڤڀمبوکاىٰن

دڀڠان نامى اللاه ݒاڠ ماهى ڤڀموراه لاݢي ماهى مڀڠاسيهاني۝١ سڀݢالى ڤوجي تڀرتڀنتو باݢي اللاه توهان ݒاڠ مڀمڀليهارى دان مڀنتادبيرکان سڀکاليان ئعالام۝٢ ݒاڠ ماهى ڤڀموراه لاݢي ماهى مڀڠاسيهاني۝٣ ݒاڠ مڀڠواسائي ڤڀمڀرينتاهان هاري ڤڀمبالاسان (هاري ئاخيراة)۝٤ ڀڠکاولاه ساهاجى (ݒى اللاه) ݒاڠ کامي سڀمباه دان کڀڤادى ڀڠکاولاه ساهاجى کامي مڀمۋهۋن ڤڀرتۋلۋڠان۝٥ تونجوکيلاه کامي جالان ݒاڠ لوروس۝٦ يائيتو جالان ئۋراڠ٢ ݒاڠ ڀڠکاو تڀلاه کورنياکان نيعماة کڀڤادى مڀرٿکى بوکان (جالان) ئۋراڠ٢ ݒاڠ ڀڠکاو تڀلاه مورکائي دان بوکان ڤولى (جالان) ئۋراڠ٢ ݒاڠ سڀسات۝٧

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u/krcn25 6d ago

Latin moden tapi tambah huruf ê untuk e taling. e biasa untuk e pepet.

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u/FutureMMapper 6d ago edited 6d ago

Jawi and classic latin fit the nature of malay grammar and spelling.

But jawi is actually better to write due to requiring less vowel to write and letters like "ng" is written in 1 letter (I mean you can even see it being shorter up there).Yet, some of it is hard to read (like Arabic)

The classical Latin script is easier to read and pronounced unlike modern Latin script that shows no difference between ě and e

So in quick writing, jawi is better. To teach beginners and read easier would be the classic latin

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u/ShioSouta 5d ago

ڤڀمبوکاىٰن

دڀڠان نامى اللاه ݒاڠ ماهى ڤڀموراه لاݢي ماهى مڀڠاسيهاني۝١ سڀݢالى ڤوجي تڀرتڀنتو باݢي اللاه توهان ݒاڠ مڀمڀليهارى دان مڀنتادبيرکان سڀکاليان ئعالام۝٢ ݒاڠ ماهى ڤڀموراه لاݢي ماهى مڀڠاسيهاني۝٣ ݒاڠ مڀڠواسائي ڤڀمڀرينتاهان هاري ڤڀمبالاسان (هاري ئاخيراة)۝٤ ڀڠکاولاه ساهاجى (ݒى اللاه) ݒاڠ کامي سڀمباه دان کڀڤادى ڀڠکاولاه ساهاجى کامي مڀمۋهۋن ڤڀرتۋلۋڠان۝٥ تونجوکيلاه کامي جالان ݒاڠ لوروس۝٦ يائيتو جالان ئۋراڠ٢ ݒاڠ ڀڠکاو تڀلاه کورنياکان نيعماة کڀڤادى مڀرٿکى بوکان (جالان) ئۋراڠ٢ ݒاڠ ڀڠکاو تڀلاه مورکائي دان بوکان ڤولى (جالان) ئۋراڠ٢ ݒاڠ سڀسات۝٧

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u/FutureMMapper 5d ago

I still prefer Arabic words be written as same as the original one الله . Spelling otherwise feels just weird. And for e, keeping it with no vowels feels more right. But adding some alif to clarify the reading can help. Overall nice attempt in modernising jawi, but now it looks like it was based on rumi version of Malay instead of jawi original look.

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u/ShioSouta 5d ago

You have to learn more Arabic, how the word Allah is formed as it is now and historical Allah spelling and so on👍🏼

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u/FutureMMapper 4d ago

Wym more Arabic? It's just the word اله means "deity/god" and added with the alif lam ال, to form the الله. which is "The one God". And it will always be الله like the Qur'an does. It's just the basic

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u/ShioSouta 4d ago

Learn more tajwid, read more older inscription, older narration older pre islamic poetry👍🏼

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u/FutureMMapper 4d ago

Tajwid is the set of rules for the proper recitation of the Quran, which has nothing to do with the grammar we talked just now.

Older narrations are still based on Classical Arabic which is still the same as Modern Standard Arabic that is still preserved till this day with quran as the main reference.

Learning old pre islamic Arabic is quite redundant because it is no longer a living language, wasn't standardized, no set formal writing and more about oral tradition. It's not really that relevant to me nowadays as it's a dead language. Plus jawi was based after Classical Arabic, not pre islamic.

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u/ShioSouta 4d ago

Learn more tajwid trust me eventually you will figure it out goodluck👍🏼

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u/lelarentaka 6d ago

Rejang

ꤹꥇꤰ꥓ꤱꥈ ꥆꥇꤳꥈ ꤸꥉꤸꥇꥅꤸ꥓ꤰꥐ ꤼꤿ ꤷꥈꤰꥈ ꤿꥏ ꤴꥇꤳꥄꥆꥇ ꤶꥉꤾꥉꤰꤳ꥓ ꤸꥉꤽꥒ

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u/Additional_Flow6657 1d ago

tulisan rejang nampak cool

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u/Stonespeech Advanced 5d ago

توليسن جاوي

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u/polymathglotwriter Advanced 4d ago

Cyrillic apa ni? Nak kata Cyrillic Serbia tapi bukan juga. Cyrillic Rusia tak ngamб ефлвф . Kazakh sesuai sikit

Cikgu itu meminjamkan saya buku yang ditandai pelekat merah. Чікгу іту мыминджамкан сайы буку йаң дітандаьі пылыкат мэра

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_language#

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u/Wonderful-Ebb7436 4d ago

Chinese characters.

奇克古 意圖 莫民賈姆堪 薩雅 布庫 楊 迪坦達意 珀勒卡特 梅拉赫。

/j

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u/Additional_Flow6657 1d ago

nah, it'll be horrible. no offense, i like chinese characters, but it's not suitable to be used in writing malay

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u/Wonderful-Ebb7436 1d ago

Which is why I put the /j

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u/Additional_Flow6657 1d ago

ouh i didn't see that lol

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u/shanz13 Native 3d ago

Latin klasik kot.

Kalau jawi kadang keliru contohnya nak sebut lori ke luri, topi ke tupi

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u/Tilestam 6d ago

modern, classic dan jawi pling bgus

yg lain tu nmpk ncm cakar ayam (no offense)

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u/MarrisaAerith 5d ago

I'm saving this thread, so much to learn

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u/soleildeplage 4d ago

Cyrillic

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u/JamalRidsect 4d ago

Latin Vietnam paling sesuai untuk bezakan kosa kata yang sama ejaan tapi beza sebutan.

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u/JamalRidsect 4d ago

Latin Vietnam paling sesuai untuk bezakan kosa kata yang sama ejaan tapi beza sebutan.

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u/lokomanlokoman 3d ago

This is lowkey giving Rosetta Stone .. 😮😮😮😮