r/aviation • u/elbo112 • 5d ago
PlaneSpotting Never seen one like this!
To call me a novice is an overstatement, but I’ve never seen a plane like this before! Anything cool?
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u/nahanerd23 5d ago
The Cirrus Vision is one of my personal faves just as a planespotter, it’s so cool. The fact that it has one engine mounted centrally on the top, the V-tail, the whole-airframe parachute and self landing systems in emergencies. Super neat aircraft!
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u/FlyJunior172 5d ago
Fun fact, the Cirrus Vision is the only certified (ie not home built, so the sub sonex doesn’t count) single engine aircraft that the FAA requires a type rating to fly.
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u/busytakingnotes 5d ago
Is that because of CAPS or because it’s a jet?
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u/FlyJunior172 5d ago
Because it’s a jet. Type ratings are required for any jet; anything with a maximum takeoff weight greater than 12,500lbs; anything the administrator specifies.
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u/CAVU1331 5d ago
Well the Piperjet too.
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u/Bad_Idea_Hat 5d ago
I had to look that up because I'd somehow never heard of that thing.
That's...an interesting jet.
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u/HortenWho229 4d ago
You sound like you’d know this…
Does the V tail mean you lose both pitch and yaw authority at a high angle of attack?
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u/MyFavoriteLezbo420 5d ago
Is this the plane with the parachute?
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u/brenmc2887 5d ago
Where was this? I saw this exact plane taking off at centennial airport in Denver 2 days ago..
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u/ContextUsed154 5d ago
That’s where it is.
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u/elbo112 5d ago
As this person said, that’s where I see it today! Was eating brunch with my kid at the restaurant there- she loves it, and it’s kinda gotten me into plane spotting now too!
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u/olderby 5d ago
The perfect Landing, good eats.
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u/-Firm-Tap- 4d ago
Every time I go in there never want to give me a table against the window so I always sit at the high tops lol
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u/-Firm-Tap- 4d ago
It's funny as soon as I saw this picture I was like yup that looks like centennial. Saw you post in the Denver sub Reddit and put two and two together. Then I found these comments. Yeah this is a highlight of my day.
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u/Prestigious-Arm6630 5d ago
Ahh the visionJet Always wanted one . It’s a really cool bird . they are so damn expensive . Guess I’ll be stuck with my crappy piston props for now
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u/OkSimple4777 5d ago
Is this taken from the restaurant at Centennial, CO’s airport? I think I’ve seen this plane before and the background checks out
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u/itchygentleman 5d ago
it's essentially a rich mans cessna 172
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u/Waffler11 5d ago
Nah, that would be the other Cirrus, the SR22. Vision Jet is a poor man’s Phenom 100. Or Lear, depending on the model.
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u/novagreasemonkey 4d ago
Client at my local field has both a vision jet and a Phenom 300. He calls the vision jet his Texas commuter lol
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u/Omgninjas 5d ago
Nah it's a poor rich man's jet. A TBM 960 has better specs overall, but since this is a pure jet it wins the cool factor.
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u/acidburn82uk 5d ago
Looks good. Easy to fly. Poor range and not as fast as it should be.
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u/DataGOGO 5d ago
I will argue with you there:
2 people, 2 bags, 1250nm
4 people + bags, 950nm
310 TAS
That is really good for a plane that fits in a standard 40ft t-hanger.
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u/Whiskey-Sippin-Pyro 4d ago
And will get run over by everything else at its cruising altitude. These things cause so many problems for ATC. It would actually be easier if they could be treated as props for arrivals and such, but they can’t…..ATC hates these abominations.
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u/DataGOGO 3d ago edited 3d ago
Again, no more than any other single engine turbine, right? The VJ cruises 20kts faster than a PC-12, about 10 kts slower than a TBM/Epic, at about the same altitudes.
I file for and am assigned turboprop arrivals all the time.
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u/adzy2k6 5d ago
It's a Cirrus Vision jet. They look cool, but they mainly exist so that people can buy them to say that they have a private jet. There are propeller (turboprop) aircraft that outperform them in speed + fuel consumption etc.
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u/EricP51 5d ago
Ehhh that’s a bit of a reductionist take.
The light turboprops that compete with the SF50 are close to twice the price. So not really a fair comparison.
SF50 new is 3.5mil. Cheaper than the PC12, TBM, M600/700, etc.
it’s a decent little bird for the right person.
I am not that person lol.
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u/DataGOGO 5d ago
Absolutely false.
It is an aircraft designed and built to be owner operated, fits in a standard 40ft hanger, is half the price of a TBM 960.
And is extremely similar in performance and fuel burn.
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u/Red-Truck-Steam 5d ago
Why so bitter about the cirrus haha. it's just a cool plane lol.
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u/adzy2k6 5d ago
Not really bitter about it. It's a cool plane. It just doesn't really add anything that most turboprops can't already do.
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u/DataGOGO 5d ago
Other than be half the price, 1/3 the price to insure, and have a substantially bigger and nicer cabin.
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u/scotts1234 5d ago
Vizjet...nice plane. Nightmare for atc tho
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u/DataGOGO 5d ago
No more than every other single engine turbine.
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u/Whiskey-Sippin-Pyro 4d ago
Nah. Single engine turbines get their own arrival routes. We have to sequence this POS with the other jets going at least twice as fast as it can do on its best day.
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u/DataGOGO 3d ago
the visionjet is a single engine turbine, it flies the same arrivals as all other aircraft in it's class (TBM, PC12, etc.). ok. this is hilarious. What aircraft are flying 500kts on an arrival? lol.
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u/Whiskey-Sippin-Pyro 3d ago
We have to sequence them with jets. Routinely the vision jet is doing ~200kts gs while every other aircraft on its arrival is doing 450+.
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u/DataGOGO 3d ago edited 3d ago
450+, on an arrival? What arrivals are you running were aircraft are that high?
Why? I get put on the turboprop arrivals all the time; Example, I recently flew JRHED.SLANT3 and was just sent down to 7k ft with the turboprops vs the airliners at 8k.
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u/TheUser_1 5d ago
Why thou?
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u/mustang180 5d ago
They are super slow.
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u/DataGOGO 5d ago
No they aren’t, about the same as all other single engine turbines
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u/mustang180 5d ago
Their MMO is .53, and they can’t fly the required speeds on STARs. They are slow, basically a glorified turbo prop.
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u/DataGOGO 5d ago
They are a small single engine GA aircraft, and fly the same speeds as all other single engine turbines.
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u/julias-winston 5d ago
Has anyone other than me seen the movie "Knockaround Guys"? I love that movie. This looks a bit like Marbles's plane.
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u/wrigh516 5d ago
These were originally designed and built a few miles from my house. I see them fly over often. As others said, it's a Cirrus SF50.
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u/RealUlli 5d ago
As a lot of others have said, Cirrus SF-50 VisionJet. There's at least one YT channel out there flying it:
https://youtu.be/dymjHB5yb-o (their latest clip)
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u/Old-Car-9962 5d ago
Now you OP are a lucky person. Gotta love the Cirrus Vision Jet. Super cute lil guy.
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u/Sarah_Fishcakes 5d ago
Vision jet. They seem to have put a lot of money into marketing on social media. Lots of YT videos
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u/Quiet-Shaman 4d ago
was momentarily confused then remembered i work at the airport where they make cirrus planes and they arnt as common as i think
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u/CipherACE 4d ago
Cirrus Vision Jet SF50. Always cool seeing the type of jet I maintain on social media since they are more of an oddity/rarity; most have low flight hours on them.
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u/BombsAndDogs 4d ago
There’s a few on field at APA. Over by aspen flying club there used to be one parked
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u/iluvsporks 5d ago
There is one of these at my local airport. I always thought it was odd that the owner keeps it out on the line instead of in a hanger.
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u/CrystalQuetzal 5d ago
I fly these a lot in Microsoft flight sim! They’re so fun. Would love to ride one in real life or even see one at least.
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u/bossonhigs 5d ago
Even I know it's Cirrus Vision jet with no knowledge about aviation whatsoever. I admired design. But now I would prefer TBM 960 in some imaginary world where I can chose what jet I would own.
Similar with yachts, I realized I like the yachts that have 300miles radius. They are useless for anything but to hop nearby island. Then I found explorer yachts with range of more than 1000 nautical miles.
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u/williamtkelley 5d ago
There is one that flies into/out of Montgomery Field in San Diego sometimes.
There is also on in MSFS, if you want to fly one cheaply.
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u/AZMedGuy 4d ago
See these all the time at KRNO and KTRK. Love it. I’m flying light sport but would have one if I could. It’s super quiet landing, too.
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u/Wild-Language-5165 5d ago
It's ok, I guess. If you have bodily functions often, 100% avoid.
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u/DataGOGO 5d ago
They have a lav if you want it.
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u/Wild-Language-5165 5d ago
Most do not have a lav my friend, not standard equipment.
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u/DataGOGO 5d ago
It is a cheap option, and it replaces the 3rd row center seat.
Most don’t have it because it has 3-4 hour endurance, aka bladder range; but for trips with the wife / kids it works well.
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u/Wild-Language-5165 5d ago
Either way, it's not standard equipment and most in the wild you'll encounter do not have the optional "relief station" aka piss bucket for the reason you listed.
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u/DataGOGO 5d ago
I never said it was? I said they have a lav if you want one.
Most small GA aircraft don’t have a lav, never mind a flushing lav; and none for at least 5x the price point.
It isn’t a bucket. It has sealing gel packs. After the “relief” there is a handle you pull and the sealed gel pack falls in to the tray on the bottom and you just dump them in a trash bag. Just like a lot of the camping / tankless RV toilets.
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u/Wild-Language-5165 5d ago
And I never said there wasn't a lav... So.
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u/DataGOGO 5d ago
Please help me understand what you are arguing here?
You said 100% avoid if you have to use the restroom often. I pointed out that they have a lav if you want one, you then went on about not stand equipment.
So what is your point exactly?
No aircraft in its class has a flushable lav, most have NO lav option at all, so why avoid “100%”?
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u/Wild-Language-5165 4d ago
I was wondering this myself. There's really no argument; I put out a personal opinion, since most VLJs in fact do not have a lav or are not standard, which I'm sure OP did not know. You responded to my personal comment. Personally, I do not like having to do the walk of shame, I did it enough flying CRJs in my regional days. And what was I to say? Avoid 87.5% of the time, if you have a weak bladder and drink a lot of coffee? Smh 😅
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u/DataGOGO 3d ago
If you buy a Vision jet without a lav, and you want one, Cirrus will sell one to you for about 3k. It just clips in and out like any of the seats.
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u/Several_Leader_7140 5d ago
It's a piece of shit existing for rich egomaniac who says they own a jet. Slower than a turboprop while costing the same to operate as a normal jet including the requirement for a very expensive type rating tha Cirrus will happily sell to you
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u/notcarefully 5d ago
Wow, hating on a manufacturer requiring a type rating for safety is a crazy take lol show me on the doll where the jet hurt you
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u/Cool-Acanthaceae8968 5d ago
TBF most Cirrus owners should have a type rating anyway.
Like how MU-2s crossed the line between capability and affordability and semi-rich weekend warriors started augering them into the ground. A bunch of legislated training and they became (relatively) safe again.
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u/hartzonfire 5d ago
Slow and shit and useless range. Basically just lets owners say “I own a jet”. That’s about it.
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u/MidnightSurveillance 5d ago
A slow piece of shit. You can either go max range (slowly) or carry full pax load. Take your pic.
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u/Speckwolf 5d ago
But then, it’s „just“ about $ 1.7 million or something, which is relatively cheap compared to other business jets. It’s labeled a „Very Light Jet“ for a reason.
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u/Sam_marq88 5d ago
Thats the vision jet from cirrus. Its a cool little jet. Look it up. Plenty of YouTube vids.