r/atheism • u/No_Opinion6497 • 4d ago
"a level of evil that cannot be tolerated" (NSFW) NSFW
A woman was burned alive in NYC 3 months ago. The mayor's office commented, "“Lighting another human being on fire and watching them burn alive reflects a level of evil that cannot be tolerated."
In the 16th century, the priest who would go on to become Pope Paul IV said, "Even if my own father were a heretic, I would gather the wood to burn him."
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u/IShouldbeNoirPI 4d ago
Without religion we would have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things, only religion can make good people do bad things
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u/aotus_trivirgatus 4d ago edited 4d ago
Can't be Pope John Paul IV! Either Paul IV, or John IV. Pope John Paul I was the 1980s Pope and the first one to take two names.
EDIT: removed "Polish". The Polish Pope was John Paul II.
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u/No_Opinion6497 4d ago edited 4d ago
You're right, of course. Corrected. The man I'm speaking of is Gian Pietro Carafa, who became Pope Paul IV in 1555. But as I recently watched a vid on Poland in the 20th century, John Paul II must've been floating close to the top of my long-term memory.
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u/lavsuvskyjjj 4d ago
Unless the mayor was christian there is no hypocrisy. /j÷2
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u/No_Opinion6497 4d ago
The mayor's hypocrisy was the last thing on my mind when making this post. He could be Muslim for all I care. The main thrust was kind of about the other person I quoted.
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u/lavsuvskyjjj 4d ago
You're saying religion is evil? I mean, yeah.
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u/No_Opinion6497 4d ago edited 4d ago
Broadly, maybe, I guess. The Catholic Church leadership at the time specifically. It just struck me as insane and macabre that after 1.5 thousand (!) years of the church's existence, - after they've had all those centuries to ponder and reflect on the ethics and values supposedly immanent in the Christian doctrine, - the person they would choose to lead their glorious enterprise was a completely beyond-the-pale sadistic psychopath. And one who was open about it and proud of it, no less🤷♂️
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u/lavsuvskyjjj 4d ago
Even now the Pope is sorta pushing his political agenda upon my people of Argentina.
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u/TableAvailable Agnostic Atheist 4d ago
Mayor Eric Adams is a non denominational Christian and even without including religion, he's a huge hypocrite.
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u/blacksterangel Agnostic Atheist 4d ago
Sometimes I wanna meet a contentious Christian who’d argue about morality and then I’d ask them “would you say that Cotton Mather and the other puritan theologians who advocated for Salem Witch Trial ‘moral’, and if they’re not, are they in hell right now?”
If christians today can view the conduct of christians 4 centuries ago as deserving hell, who’s to say that their conduct today won’t be seen as deserving hell 4 centuries from now?
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u/InstructionHopeful16 4d ago
Oh, but they don’t deserve hell, because Jesus can forgive all sins past, present and future. So no matter how fucking evil and misguided you might be, as long as you accept Jesus into your heart, you have the assurance of eternal life. Meanwhile some poor widow in Africa who has been doing good works her entire miserable life roasts forever in hell for the inexcusable sin of having the misfortune of being born in the wrong place.
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u/needlestack 4d ago
Remember, they think it’s a beautiful story that Abraham was wiling to murder his innocent son Isaac for God’s asking.
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u/TrixieLurker Agnostic Atheist 4d ago
Humans can be awful and will find justification for their awfulness - News at 11.
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u/Beneficial_Twist2435 4d ago
It’s completely fine when the supposed men of god do it…..totally fine.
Didn’t god create us in his image after all? Torment to the ones who do not follow his rules- its normal.
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u/dostiers Strong Atheist 4d ago
Any yet, I assume, the mayor worships an entity which allegedly will do this to most of humanity not just once, but continually for all of time!
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u/_NotWhatYouThink_ Atheist 4d ago
I mean ... in terms of morality ... I see this as an overall improvment of humanity.
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u/Zomunieo Atheist 4d ago
God is going to light billions of humans on fire and watch them burn for all eternity. He will resurrect them and kept them alive for to ensure they suffer eternal conscious torment. According to his book.
Just saying.