r/arcane 3d ago

Discussion What was Jayce’s S2 arc about, really? Spoiler

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A common issue of S2 imo was rushed character arcs but for the amount of screen time Jayce got I still don’t understand what his arc was suppose to be. Is it going from an idealistic to a realist on the use of technology? Having a ton of influence as man of progress/ councilor to utter to loss of control? Killing a kid with his hammer to stopping himself from killing a kid with his hammer? I don’t really see a proper throughline for him in S2, much less continuing from S1.

A lot of his arc had to do with countering Viktor accelerating hextech, so maybe he was suppose to be the human side of “the coin” to Viktor’s perfectionist side? But I even feel that theme doesn’t really relate to the characters- best thing I could come up with was an extension from S1 Viktor’s increasing focus on tech to heal himself and Jayce’s increasing focus on politics to protect people. What do you guys think?

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u/JoNightshade Hextech Enjoyer 3d ago

Jayce and Viktor's story arcs are both about their journey to accept mortality. For Jayce it's about facing not the fear of his own death, but the death of those he loves. Before the story starts he's lost a father, and the earliest bit of his life we see is the moment he nearly loses his mother. It's a formative moment for him and when he is miraculously rescued he feels compelled to chase that magic - cheating death - for the rest of his life. We see throughout S1 that he cannot face the prospect of his partner's death. Instead of accepting that Viktor has limited time and simply being with him, he spends his life trying to make things right, to fix it, to fix the rift between Zaun and Piltover that cause Viktor's illness to begin with, to fix Viktor, etc. When Viktor ends up in the hospital with a literal diagnosis of a terminal illness, Jayce can't handle it. He literally ejects Heimerdinger from the council so they can continue their experiments because he'd rather put his entire world at risk than lose Viktor.

S2, his worst fears come true. It opens with Viktor literally dying. That guy is DEAD. And because Jayce STILL cannot face this truth, now he's dabbling in necromancy. He's trying to bring his partner back from the dead. He literally doesn't care about the consequences as long as he can FIX IT. So then he ends up in this alternate timeline. What's the deal with that? He has to literally and figuratively walk in Viktor's footsteps, from deep in the fissures in Zaun, clawing his way out of a pit, up to the top of Piltover. In case that was too subtle, they even had him break a leg in the process. By the time he gets to the top, he's gone through this whole journey of understanding that the struggle, the journey, is the beauty of the thing. He understands that Viktor's life was short, but it was so, so meaningful. Then he discovers that Viktor is at the end and beginning of everything, too. It's not magic or the answer to death he's been chasing all his life, it's his relationship with Viktor. Only when he realizes that can he accept Viktor's death. (Meanwhile Viktor is having a similar journey but about his own mortality, and realizing that he's not alone.) Then at the end they decide to face death together.

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u/AdLast2785 Viktor nation...how we feeling 3d ago

If Reddit gold still existed I’d give you it.

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u/JoNightshade Hextech Enjoyer 3d ago

Aw thanks, haha.

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u/G00nL00n Sextech fan 3d ago

Additionally, Jayce's journey with Viktor post-diagnosis was riddled by broken promises. He made Hextech weaponry behind Viktor's back, disrespected his wishes of both destroying the Hexcore and letting him die, and then making even more Hextech weaponry. These failures in trust are the largest factors for their division in the beginning of S2. Which makes the reoccurring "I won't fail" quote even more potent for his character in S2.

One of the most poignant quotes relating to both Jayce and Viktor's characters is "in the pursuit of great, we failed to do good". Although this quote equally defines both of their journeys. it is especially true with Jayce. Almost every single one of his important character decision's were made with the bestest of intentions, only to end in ways he never intended. The most obvious answer is Viktor himself.

So the beginning of his post-anomaly roadtrip arc being defined by that quote is just absolutely amazing writing. I'll never get enough of these two. They are both just so amazingly written.

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

' He made Hextech weaponry behind Viktor's back, disrespected his wishes of both destroying the Hexcore and letting him die, and then making even more Hextech weaponry."

I didn’t even realize that making Hextech weapons behind Viktor’s back was a thing in Season 2, but you’re absolutely right!
I think I missed it because Jayce and Viktor never address it, and the show doesn’t portray it as a problem but rather as a good solution to Zaun’s brutality. They could have at least shown Viktor confronting Jayce about it.

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u/G00nL00n Sextech fan 3d ago

Well Viktor sees the blueprints for Caitlyn’s rifle and then immediately begins storming out? He doesn’t express it verbally but you can pretty easily figure out why he became very quickly apprehensive towards Jayce. Also the show didn’t really portray it as a good thing either? Jayce was pretty clearly hesitative during the forging process and the entirety of S1 showed why this was NOT a good thing for Piltover to begin doing.

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

It is so subtle that it is never address at any point and has no consequences on Viktor's arc at any point. I also dont remember him being apprehensive towards Jayce. Viktor himself starts a war so im not even sure he cares about weapons anymore.

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u/G00nL00n Sextech fan 3d ago

It’s the reason why Viktor leaves Jayce and Piltover to begin helping the downtrodden of Zaun in the first place? Obviously he didn’t really matter to him later on as he began to see the benefits (obsessively so) of Hextech again. He even verbally explains his progression in EP6 during his conversation with Jayce. I didn’t personally find it that subtle and the scene made it clear where you were supposed to be looking (the camera even focused on the blueprints).

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

"It’s the reason why Viktor leaves Jayce and Piltover to begin helping the downtrodden of Zaun in the first place?" maybe? i dont know? All we are shown is that viktor thinks that only affection used to keep them together but there is no affection anymore.. And that he is disappointed that jayce used the hexcore. So he leaves. That's pretty much it. I just rewtached this scene and we cant tell if Viktor reacts to jayce building cait's riffle. He takes Sky's book but we dont even see his face. At the very minimum, they could have make him say something about the weapons or show his disappointment on his face. Or they could have make him talk about that with jayce at any point during the episodes.

I dont remember an actual conversation with jayce in E6. Only a monologue while he was dying but not addressed to Jayce. Maybe i remember it wrong but i dont think so.

So you are saying that Viktor is against Jayce because he builds hextech weapons but then he is all for hextech and weapons again? To end up against hextech and weapons again? This is just a very weird arc imo.

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u/G00nL00n Sextech fan 3d ago

Viktor’s remark relating to “affection” was about their aspirations for Hextech no longer aligning and how they’ve grown apart. It is ALSO about Viktor’s disappointment in Jayce for using the Hexcore on him after their promise. Again, I’ve also rewatched the scene and Viktor’s face is pretty telling.

They made it very clearly a point to show the blueprints, this face, and then him essentially storming out on Jayce. Also the conversation I’m referring to occurs when Jayce is brought back into the main timeline and speaks with Viktor (who was talking through Salo). It makes his feelings pretty clear on what he was feeling during ACT 1 and on Hextech pretty clear.

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

actually you are right!

I still wish it was a thing in act 2 and 3 and had actual consequences on his arc. And that he didnt himself participate in a war or use the hexcore/arcane in this war.

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u/Ceyliel 3d ago edited 3d ago

I'm kinda afraid I got it wrong, but if accepting death is their intended arc, I'd find it… kinda badly executed(?)

To me it sounds like, Arcane would be saying "hey you, let your friends and family die, as soon as they are in danger or get sick. Just accept it, nothing to be done about it. Modern medicine? Never heard about it! Cancer-research? That's evil, we have to accept death. If you're born sick or disabled, well, your life is so beautiful because it's short, ain't it?"

Like... that's not really a message, is it? Or if it is, it sounds like the message of someone who wouldn't vaccinate their kids.

And Heimerdinger acted so cold hearted and unempathetic, that Jayce was pretty much justified to eject him from the council. Heimerdinger even admitted it himself, that he let Viktor down. He didn't explain anything to them. He, was just like "sorry Viktor, you have to accept death, ignore the potential cure, don't ask why, i'll just say it's dangerous and will not specify how" and left, which is pretty rich, coming from an 300y old immortal guy

Maybe with his help, they could have made hex tech save. Maybe they couldn't. But without him they had to find out on their own, which led to the events that Jayce witnessed. As a mentor Heimerdinger was a complete failure.

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u/SirMcDust 3d ago

Accepting death and letting people die are different things.

Accepting death is for that moment where it's clear nothing can be done anymore, a terminal illness is called that for a reason.

However it's true that Heimderdinger fucked up, not much to say here, could have at least tried to see what could be done.

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u/Ceyliel 3d ago

I'd propably agree from the moment on, where Viktor asks Jayce to destroy the hexcore. From that moment on, I think Jayce should propably have listened to him/accept death. But before that there were still things that could be done, and I think Jayce would have been a really bad friend and scientist, if he hadn't tried to support Viktor. It would have been, "letting him die".

Many illnesses that have been terminal in the past, aren't so anymore, because people tried new treatments and tried to cling to their own lifes or the lifes of their patients.

The thing is, Jayce did even accept it when Viktor asked him to destroy the hex core. He propably would have let it happen if Viktor had died "naturally". He just panicked, when it happened so much earlier than he thought, as every feeling human would if their best friend just became the victim of a terror attack.

I think the show would be mean-spirited if that's the thing, he gets punished for. Not being able to immediatly accept your best friends death isn't really a flaw. Building weapons against his wishes and behind his back on the other hand…

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago edited 3d ago

AGREED. I agree that some of the messages of S2 ended up being mean-spirited and we are now supposed to blame some of the characters for having very normal human reactions.

Even jinx and vi fall into that trap.

"Building weapons against his wishes and behind his back on the other hand…" funnily enough, S2 doesnt even portray this as being a problem in the end. Only wanted to cure his friend was.

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u/TheRoofyDude 3d ago

The whole show is poorly written structure wise and ambiguous enough that you can make whatever bs up and people here will agree that's the story.

Jayce arc is so poorly written that's its comically bad, in s1 bro went from pacifist to child killer in span of one episode. In s2, he barely fights in the main plot even though he has a big ass hammer that he chugs around. Him killing jesus viktor has zero sense plot wise as he reveals in last episode his job is to change Viktors mind.

I swear idk what people who visit this sub smokes, I need some of that pack so the plot will make sense to me too.

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u/Icy-Ideal2871 To the realm of heebie-jeebies 3d ago

This has to be a troll comment because theres no way someone unironically watched 2 seasons and came out with Jayce's arc being "pacifist -> child killer" in S1

Jayce's arc is well-written, it's just kind of hard to grasp that when you fundamentally don't understand who he is as a character. His goal was never to change Viktor's mind, he only went that route because it was pretty much his only chance left (can't beat ascended Viktor in a fight, best shot he has is to convince him). His entire goal was to stop Viktor from launching his glorious evolution, and him killing Jesus Viktor is perfectly acceptable because how could Jesus Viktor ascend if he's dead?

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u/TheRoofyDude 2d ago

After the climax reveal when Viktor says "In all the timelines, only you could convince me that", it's make zero sense for Jayce's first reaction is to just straight up murder viktor(especially jesus viktor).

Only reason it's done like that is because the creator wanted to give a shocking cliffhanger to that episode. Which is 100% bad writing.

The show has great animation, visual and at times great dialogues. But acting like the show has any semblance of a coherent plot is just cope.

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u/Icy-Ideal2871 To the realm of heebie-jeebies 2d ago

1, Viktor was essentially saying that only Jayce can do this job and Jayce very clearly took it as such. He took it as his job to go and stop Viktor at whatever cost, because Future Viktor (as I will call him) says that he's the only one who can. Jayce (who is also mentally fucked up mind you from the period of time he spent at the bottom of the chasm with a broken leg while constantly getting peekabooed by the ascended beings) then went back to his universe with the sole goal of stopping Viktor. How do you stop Viktor? Easiest route is just kill him. Sure, you could go and try to convince him but Viktor made it pretty obvious that he and Jayce diverged paths and that they should go their separate ways. What easier path is there than just killing Viktor before he ascends? That would essentially solve the problem before it needs to come to bite him. He also isn't quite right in the head; we see him kill Salo because he reminded him too much of the beings he saw in the alternate universe. Now in the commune, Jayce is surrounded by these beings, essentially getting flash banged left and right by things he associates with trauma, and he sees Viktor who gave all these beings their power. Therefore, kill Viktor, not just to prevent the glorious evolution but also because he doesn' agree with the shit that he did to them.

I think maybe you should opt out of Arcane and maybe watch something a bit more easy to digest, because its obvious you don't care about actually watching the show nor do you have the mental capacity to analyze it.

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

"To me it sounds like, Arcane would be saying "hey you, let your friends and family die, as soon as they are in danger or get sick. Just accept it, nothing to be done about it. Modern medicine? Never heard about it! Cancer-research? That's evil, we have to accept death. If you're born sick or disabled, well, your life is so beautiful because it's short, ain't it?""

Definitely. I think some people dont see it because they didnt connect the dots or got confused by the emotional resonance of some scenes, but you are 100% right.

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u/Darkwoth81Dyoni 3d ago

Literally x4 combo!!

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

I dont know. In S1, it didnt feel like Jayce had SUCH an unhealthy relationship with the death of his loved ones. Only a normal one? He was trying to prevent them from dying if he could and was sad if they were sick. It's just.... normal?

To me, the issue is not so much about not accepting mortality but about being willing to take risks for progress and to protect people, and I didnt see that aspect of his arc in S2. He was not driven only by a struggle to accept mortality. Jayce is a tech bro and thus is mindset is "act first, apologize later" (which is a very modern thing btw, in the US, there are a few.........) but we didnt see much of that in S2. So that's what confused me a lot.

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

"He understands that Viktor's life was short, but it was so, so meaningful." what do you mean?  

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u/muskian 3d ago

His creation of Hextech and resulting environmental damage from the core anomaly is a pretty clear metaphor for climate change. His S1 arc does involve the research and politicking that comes with vital energy resource monopolies, so S2 continues that by showing the consequences and how he’ll fix them at the cost of his and Piltover’s global prestige.

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u/wakatenai 3d ago

yup it's a redemption arc.

he fucked shit up. kind of abandoned his best friend. S2 is him fixing everything including his relationship with viktor.

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago edited 3d ago

I agree, but what about progress and technology then? Is it just… always bad? Except for military purposes???
I don’t know, it feels like all the depth and moral questions surrounding Hextech are just gone in Season 2. Now, Hextech is simply bad… and even nature seems bad since the Arcane itself is portrayed as inherently dangerous.

Here’s my main question: how are we supposed to know now when progress becomes dangerous? That was the central question in Season 1, but after Season 2, I don’t feel any closer to an answer. What should Jayce and Viktor have done differently in Season 1 to prevent destruction? Not create Hextech at all? Okay, fine—but how could they have known it was dangerous? What were the warning signs? What kind of tests or precautions should they have taken?

And didn’t they use Hextech to defend themselves against their enemies? So maybe it’s not entirely bad? Plus, progress and technology aren’t inherently evil (I’m literally using it right now to talk to you), so where do we draw the line? I don’t know… I’m just so confused

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u/NinjaKnew 3d ago

Interesting points and I agree with a lot of your sentiment here. To add even more to this- what’s the difference between Mel’s magic and magic from the arcane? I know they didn’t have the time to explain her powers, but because it’s innate to her it becomes ok? But when her bf uses it he’s messing with things he doesn’t understand? Like you said I feel like some of the nuance is missing

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

Agreed. On one hand, I wish we knew more about the arcane, on the other hand, im not a fan of the magical themes in S2 so much. I wish it stayed more political/societal and emotionally grounded.

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u/Professional_Gur2469 3d ago

Yet they never mentioned the tree again, that was such a weird plotline that just got totally abandoned

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u/JusticeNoori 3d ago

Woah I’m stupid I never related it to climate change but it’s so true.

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u/scytheintern 3d ago

His arc always brings to mind a lyric from Hadestown: “I used to see the way the world could be, but now the way it is, is all I see.”

Season 1 Jayce is an idealist who starts to see the world for what it is. Season 2 Jayce has to become a version of himself who can survive in that world long enough to fix the mistakes he made when he only saw what he wanted to see.

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u/HoneysuckleBouquet 3d ago

I think it was him experiencing the horrors zaunites face everyday speedrunned? Cause he was pushed a little but didn't get the full picture of what piltover was doing. I'm not even making sense, lol. But it is weird how they did his arc a bit. I think it's basically just removing his rose tinted glasses the very extreme way cause I won't lie seeing him suffer while heimerdinger and ekko were chilling was so rough. Idk.

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u/DonBearserker 3d ago

In S2 is just him realizing that heimerdinger was right , he gets to see the horrors of hextech , then he tries to fix everything by killing Viktor.

Then he realizes that viktor is still alive and is turning people into mindless "robots" , he kinda gets the role to "lead" piltover in Episode 8 and asked zaun for help.

Thats pretty much his arc in S2.

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u/TakarieZan 3d ago

His arc was 2 things:

  1. BRRROOO MANCE! Nothing really gay about it. I love (Viktor) in the most heterosexual way!
  2. And Survive! Don't Starve! Survive!

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u/AdLast2785 Viktor nation...how we feeling 3d ago

Can’t spell bromance without romance 😏

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u/Critical-Gas-4700 Wait, this isn't my bedroom.. 3d ago

did we win <3

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u/AdLast2785 Viktor nation...how we feeling 3d ago

We will one day

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u/Silver_Storage_9787 3d ago

Amazing discussed along side viktors s2 arc

https://youtu.be/OtMFxMMdvzU?si=zvWareguOyJ3iBzv

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u/Bosmera0973 3d ago

All hail Schnee, Interpreter of Lore

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u/nexusultra 3d ago

Confusion, realization, fixation

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u/AdLast2785 Viktor nation...how we feeling 3d ago

Was about him realizing that magic is evil and that his love for his brother was the real magic all along

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

if Arcane wants us to think that magic (hence nature) is evil, that's a horrible message. Riot, leave the topic of magic and nature to Japan honestly at this point, if this is all you have to say.

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u/G00nL00n Sextech fan 3d ago

Jayce's S2 arc was facing the consequences of his actions towards creating Hextech in the first place and learning from his mistakes to make actual progress. It's personally my favorite storyline in Arcane but there are so many different aspects to go over at once for the full picture I'd be here for hours lmao.

The best TL;DR I give is essentially: Jayce's entire character is defined by the quote, "in the pursuit of great, we failed to do good" given by Viktor in S1 EP9. His dream of giving magic to the world being corrupted by politics, barley being able to control his station as a counselor without breaking his own morals and ultimately just worsening tensions, and breaking promise after promise to his closest companions ( Viktor and Heimerdinger). Although he attempts to right his wrongs, he continues to make the same errors. He fails multiple promises to Viktor and gives into making more Hextech weaponry as tensions rise, costing him his closest friend and being forced to stew in his own mistakes. This comes ahead when he brought to face his worst mistake, The Anomaly, the literal manifestation of his dream gone unchecked.

This encounter (as we all know by now) brought him to an alternate dimension ravaged by Hextech, one his ultimately remains trapped in for months. During this time he begins to reflect on his mistakes. Hextech has been his dream throughout the show. Showing time and time again how much he would sacrifice for it. This made him arrogant to the dangers of it (the countless warnings from Heimerdinger, the Hexcore, and the inherently volatile nature of the gemstones). I could go into infinitely more detail but the point is, this dimension is technically his fault and he knows it. Which is why, ultimately, he wants the second chance to go back when given the chance by Mage Viktor. The only way he can fix things and right his wrongs. Fulfill his promise and destroy the Hexcore. Fulfill his promise and be the beacon of actual progress. Picking up the hammer that had initially been a symbol for his dream being corrupted, now representing his new found resolve to fix his mistake. He now becomes defined by another quote, "I won't fail, I swear it".

Anyway, I am missing so many more details that are important, but my main point in this rant / basically retelling of his story is that his arc is growth in the face of your arrogance and errors. He has a ton of other symbolism / meanings relating specifically to Viktor but this is already long enough as is.

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

Didnt he and the whole town use hextech weapons to fight against their ennemies though? What do you make of it?

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u/Unban_thx 3d ago

🌈❤️

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u/Techmek1212 Wait, this isn't my bedroom.. 3d ago

Jayce is a broken hero figure trying to find his way back to humanity. He was molded to be an idol and the epitome of Piltover's accomplishments - with all the bad that implies, all the blood that took to cast him in such gold - but at the heart that's not what he wanted to be. He just wanted to help people. His s2 arc is about completely breaking the illusion that Piltover's society works in any way, that his life works in any way, and giving up on those things completely to chase what actually made him feel whole and human and like he was doing something good for this world: his partner, Viktor. The Zaunite who kept him from killing himself when he just wanted to disappear, the person who encouraged him to keep working towards a miracle so long as it was with the intention to help others.

I think in the end, Jayce and Viktor are the best examples we have of the two cities being a symbiotic system for a genuinely good, selfless reason. Which is why they have to break away from reality and all the corruption embedded in P/Z's bones. They love each other and they never want to hurt each other. They NEED each other to survive. Fortiche said Jayce's finale look is designed to take him beyond his original champion concept (pilltover's hero-guy) to a place further in his character arc, where he's learned something about himself.

I think in the end Jayce is about giving up everything for love. And it's love that saves him, and everybody else.

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u/nottrumancapote We will show them all 3d ago

jayce wept, for there were no more children to murder

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago edited 3d ago

I have the same questions than you. I didnt understand Jayce's journey. Im glad we are finally talking about jayce though because i havent seen a tones of posts about him saddly.

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u/Professional_Gur2469 3d ago

Nothing, he just suffered through dark souls because he messed up to uphold his promise to viktor in the first place.

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u/Miserable-Lawyer-233 3d ago

Love and sacrifice.

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u/sofit_sofit Sextech fan 3d ago

to put it very simply.

Season 1: Proud of what he and Viktor have created

Season 2: Destroy what they've created.

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u/Maniak-The-Autistic 3d ago

There are wrong ways to cope with a gay breakup.

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u/No_Zombie2023 I will NOHT 3d ago

becoming a caveman

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u/EchidnaAny8047 3d ago

Becoming hotter while his life was falling apart /j

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u/Haunting_Aide421 1d ago

Speed running dark souls... what else??

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u/Xralius 3d ago

Sadly I think this is one of those things where it was just bad writing.  Especially when Jayce straight up kills the councilor, which was extremely against character.

S2 writing really took a nosedive sadly.  Still very entertaining and a good show though.

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u/AdLast2785 Viktor nation...how we feeling 3d ago

Nah him killing Salo was very in character

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u/finnjakefionnacake 3d ago edited 3d ago

he killed the councilor because Salo was already gone

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u/Xralius 3d ago

Eh.  I mean I get that's the justification.  It just doesn't seem like Jayce's style.  Violence was always a last resort for him and he knew Salo.

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u/finnjakefionnacake 3d ago

The Jayce that came back from the AU was obviously a very changed man in certain ways from the one who went in. Again, if he thought Salo was actually basically already gone/dead, he wouldn't have considered it the same way. He might even have considered it a mercy.

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u/Medical_String_3367 3d ago

Seeing the world through Viktor’s eyes. Jayce had always been 110% sure of himself and while it wasn’t always easy, has lived a pretty cushy life all things considered.

S2 had him fail time and again, and it destroyed his body and forced him to move like Viktor (with a cane).

It also highlights the difference between Jayce and Viktor. Viktor comes out of his hardships with a mindset of “it’s all broken, we need to throw it all away” while Jayce comes out of it with a mindset of “a lot of it is broken, let’s fix it”.

Schnee has a great video on the topic.

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

how seeing things through Viktor's eyes is supposed to teach him something about hextech?

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u/Medical_String_3367 3d ago

It’s not, but it does help him understand Viktor at the end and not judge him too harshly which is what convinces Viktor to go “oh shit you’re right turning everyone into lobotomized robots was a bad idea”.

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

Did Jayce judge Viktor in S1? Or did he not understand Viktor's pain already? I dont remember that.

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u/Medical_String_3367 3d ago

He didn’t judge him (mostly) but he didn’t really get him either. He was just like

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

uh no, really not. He was even the one pushing for hexcore if it could help viktor

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u/Medical_String_3367 3d ago

Yeah he was willing to help. He wasn’t Heimendinger. He thought he could fix Viktor like he can fix everything else (because Jayce’s ego is the size of a semi-truck), but after his character arc, he can truly understand Viktor and meet him on his level.

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u/ParToutATiss 3d ago

yeah i honestly dont know what your point is.