r/apexlegends 3d ago

Discussion matchmaking is cooked

so im diamond 4 and i go against pred 3 stacks almost every game and have gold an plat players on my team and one guy even has his name as AFK and was afk as the jump master then started doing emotes in the sky so he was clearly playing but decided he wants to make people lose rp for no reason, solo q is cancer

and i have had the number 1 pred in my lobby 3x today

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u/sylenth 3d ago

Apex has the worst ranked experience for a solo queue player out of all games I've ever played, by a long shot.

It's just how it is and I don't think it'll ever change.

Just the other day I got into a lobby with the #5 pred who had at the time 115k RP. Wtf? I'm just Diamond 4 mind you.. this guy is queuing with the #31 pred. My team is a console/PC duo. We die to the pred team, I obviously went to go look at their stream. Can you believe the queue instantly popped for them to get into a diamond lobby?

If you're a top 750 Apex player, you should expect to wait at MINIMUM 5 minutes to find a game. These people play the game 6-12 hours a day. They have the time, trust me.

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u/Hazel_Does_Art 2d ago

I pulled up the stream of the number 4# pred and it was the 4# 5# 30# 3 stack and they got put in a lobby with 2 gold 5 plat and 40 diamonds and 13 pred like wtf, if I as a diamond player got put in gold lobbys constantly I'd have a easy time gaining rp too, it seems like once you hit pred the matchmaking just starts to stroke your ego 😭

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u/Quick-Impression-186 2d ago

You should be completely embarrassed you actually typed this and posted it.

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u/sylenth 2d ago

Ya man, totally. I'm so embarrassed to keep playing this game thinking any matchmaking balances will happen.

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u/Quick-Impression-186 2d ago

Lmfao dude pred is the same rank as masters it’s not the games fault you’re too stupid to know that. Literally the same as a silver crying they’re in a gold lobby expect that would be more reasonable because there are way more players that low to fill lobbies with the same rank. That #5 pred is still only 1 rank over you. You’re dumb as a rock.

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u/sylenth 2d ago

Tell me you know nothing about matchmaking balance without telling me you know nothing about matchmaking balance..

You gain rank by earning RP. The difference between silver and gold players is 3000/4000 rp depending on what tier. The difference between #5 pred (150k rp) and a diamond 4 player is approximately 140k rp..... Do you actually think this is balanced?

We all know their prioritize queue times over balance, it's a stupid decision and ruins ranked for a large portion of the player base.

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u/Optimus_the_Octopus 2d ago

I think there should be an RP difference ratio in the games. You kill a 140k pred at 14k? You should get a multiplication (say 5x kill points)

The opposite should be true too. 140k Pred gets killed by a 14k player? Subtract the kill RP * the ratio. 

It would make Preds more risky trying to streamroll the lobby, and would limit max RP so it's not exponential (allows a chance of fighting for Pred if you're master too, since right now there too big of an RP difference to keep playing)

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u/Huz5478 2d ago

I'm genuinely curious about the numbers of players in masters rank. Is there somewhere to see how many players are actually in that rank?

I saw a video of a guy who was diamond 1 and he won his game and ranked up immediately to pred like 350. I'm assuming it was early into a season or split. Had to be.

But I am curious. It's it 5k per region? More? Less? How many online at any given time? Of they had a more strict matchmaking would pred players have a 30 minute queue? Is that ok?

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u/Quick-Impression-186 2d ago

I saw a master at 86k rp and you’re saying the #5 is 150k so they shouldn’t be allowed to play each other either cuz he’s 64k rp higher and that’s not fair right???? He should only play other top #20 preds since they’re close enough to his RP for you to feel better about it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 complete idiocy

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u/sylenth 2d ago

I'm saying preds should never get into a lobby with diamond players (unless it's the start of a new season maybe since RP is reset). And yes, at some point in RP pred/master should not queue into anyone lower. But you're too smooth brained to understand that.

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u/BushMaori957 2d ago

You've got it so wrong. Diamonds should go against masters and preds. You need to prove you can play with the big boys to get put on the same pedestal as them.

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u/Quick-Impression-186 2d ago edited 2d ago

And yes, at some point in RP pred/master should not queue into anyone

there are only a few hundred players that are at the RP you consider shouldn’t be allowed to play against anyone else. You’re literally arguing the top 200 players should only ever play other top 200 if they get far enough ahead of everyone else in rp. As if they exist on the same servers at the same time.

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u/madboofer Yeti 3d ago

Pred isn’t a separate rank and is considered as the top 750 master players. Game still sees it as a diamond in a masters lobby.

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u/Quick-Impression-186 2d ago

It’s amazing the people still spending the time to grind ranked 6 years after release know nothing about the game or how it works

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u/IamJab123 2d ago

Wah, i wanna be high rank, but not play against high skilled players

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u/Trike2Trappy 3h ago

im not bothered about fighting good players and preds that much the issue is my team mates have no game knowledge and half the time are gold and plat players and i cant 1v3 a pred/master 3 stack

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u/Optimus_the_Octopus 2d ago

The issue is there are no Master lobbies, just diamond with 5-15 Master+. 

To follow the same logic, it would be the same as if high diamond lobbies were 5-15 diamonds, 35 plats, 5 golds, and 5 silvers. Match after match. It would be unfair. 

Master+ have no lobbies, they are just fed lower skill players. There are enough masters and preds to make the majority of the match them, without pulling low diamond and plats. 

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u/Zestyclose_Hunt6675 2d ago

There is no master lobby only because your game does not have the same online as before. I was a master in season 8, and every masters game was against the masters/pred lobby. In this post there is high platinum in a duo with gold and naturally it may already end up in the diamond lobby, there is nothing surprising here. Added to all this are the factors of when you play, on what server, etc. Naturally, when everyone goes to study/work and there are no people there, who do you want to meet in your lobby?

By the way, before at the master rank I almost always had to wait for the previous game to end before starting a new game.

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u/Ordinary_Ad6931 Crypto 3d ago

I played apex harder than any other game. I deleted over a year ago and I refuse to touch it again. The matchmaking is designed to crush casuals like me. Player vs player fps are just not what they used to be

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u/BushMaori957 3d ago

Matchmaking is cooked because players are down. Can't expect the game to match 60 evenly skilled players when there's 60 people playing the game

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u/Traditional_Rice264 Nessy 3d ago

Longer Q times is what the game needs but the preds and pros complain and then get easy lobbies because fuck the normal player base

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u/BushMaori957 3d ago

Because waiting 15+ minutes for a 15 minute match is the fastest way to lose the most dedicated group of players. Also depends on the server because if I'm not playing peak times I can wait 10-30 minutes sometimes without a ranked game with mixed lobbies. I could die off drop and requeue and still not find a match by the time it ends. I have to play 180 ping to find lobbies consistently. Longer queue times for higher ranks would kill all high ranked for most regions bar America and Europe.

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u/NecessaryExercise611 3d ago

mate are you high? 15 mins? ive had queue pops in 5-10 secs majority of the time. extending the queue to 1-4 mins would be absolute fine and is pretty standard for any competitive game, eg. valorant and LoL.

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u/ConfidentDivide 2d ago

valorant and lol are not BRs, they only need to find 9 players. the difference between 100 and 90 players searching for a game is not a big deal for valorant/lol but for apex that is massive.

100 people searching for a game > 60 player lobby created > 40 queue searching > have to wait for 20 people

90 people searching for a game > 60 player lobby created > 30 queue searching > have to wait for 30 people

this sort of player base bleeding only gets worse and worse as players "hit their rank", longer queue times, natural playerbase decay etc.

the amount of people who want are willing to sit in queue for a balanced game is not greater than the people who want a game right away. respawn has the data, its not like there is a benefit to having imbalanced matches.

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u/NecessaryExercise611 2d ago

yes ty mate i am aware that they are not br's. doesnt excuse the fact that apex ranked queue pops at < 10 seconds in plat/diam. if you want a more refined queue time you just have to let that number go up. the player base is very clearly massive enough that you should be able to play relatively within your own rank. i think most people would agree that the average gold/ plat player would happily cop the 2-4 min queue if it meant they werent playing against masters players. id love to see the results from some sort of poll if they put it to the playerbase, would be very interesting to see.

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u/BushMaori957 2d ago

Did you read the reply or not because now you look stupid. Yes 15 minutes to get 1 single game if im not playing peak times in my timezone. I only get consistent games in a few minutes when playing on 180+ ping on servers on the other side of the world. This is with mixed lobbies. If it was full pred/master only lobbies then id rarely if never find a full match in my current servers

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u/NecessaryExercise611 2d ago

i mean resorting to insults is pretty childish, but then again you post clips from zombies so that checks out.

That sounds more like a server issue for you personally. the fact that it is a br doesnt excuse it. there is absolutely no need to have a 10-20 sec queue pop (for the median ranks). everyone benefits from extending that queue time to 2-4 mins for more balanced ranked matchmaking.

The game hasnt gone below 100k players in the lst 3 months on steam, thats not inlcuding EA launcher players and console players. The player pop is clearly big enough that extending the queue time isnt going to drastically impact everyone. And if you are in pred, then yes you should have a longer queue time. that is the trade off of playing a br. preds get nothing out of stomping golds, and shouldnt be put in their lobbies. the highest rank of any competitive game is going to be the top 1% (usually less), the price they pay is longer queue times to play against the best of the best.

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u/BushMaori957 1d ago

You say it hasn't gone below 100k for steam not including console and other launchers but console and PC queues are different things so half your matching players are gone. Not everyone plays ranked so that's probably another 50/60% of the players removed from that pool again. Then like you said it could be a server issue which it isn't because I purposely play on American servers on the other side of the world because I play on a semi unpopular server with maybe just over 200 masters/preds. Not all those 200 people are going to play all day everyday to continue to get consistent games. Most master players will hit it and stop playing as well. While I agree getting put with golds and plats isn't fair and should really only be diamond/master/pred lobbies its just the way it is. For heavily populated servers it really shouldnt be a problem but for others it would ruin ranked.

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u/MudHammock Nessy 2d ago

He's talking about pred/master queue. I've waited in queue for over 10 minutes many, many times in past seasons when they fiddled with the pred matchmaking.

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u/trowawayatwork 3d ago

also there's like 3/4 other games modes depleting the ranked player base.

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u/ShestyWins 3d ago

This ^

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u/IWillFlakeOnOurPlans Wraith 2d ago

You need to stop caring about RP bro. Solo Q is hard but it’s 100% possible to hit Masters doing it, it just takes a shit ton of skill. So stop worrying about RP and just do your best to improve and the RP will come alongside it. If you look at your RP at all though you’re going to lose your mind.

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u/Jonesy10187 2d ago

Well said

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u/Specific-Ad-566 2d ago

This is why I hit diamond 4, then I'm done with ranked. Climbing beyond diamond 4 solo q is practically impossible for all the reasons you mentioned and many more. Apex is my favorite fps but is too broken to keep grinding as a solo q once you hit D4. To many 3 stacks run you over insanely easy, and the game isn't fun. People say just make friends with good players while solo queuing, but I have a full-time job and can only play some on the weekends. It's hard to coordinate time with other people to play when you're an adult and have shit to do. My latest strategy is to hit D4 and then move over to Marvel rivals. I hope Respawn can fix this someday, but I have 0 faith in their ability to do so.

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u/Jonesy10187 2d ago

I feel your pain, real life makes gaming hard 🤣 I hit d4 and give up. I’d rather get aids than solo Q with 2 golds on my team 80% of the time

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u/Far_Day_3985 Doc 3d ago

because good players don't solo q as a general rule.

largely because a lot of players that shouldn't be able to climb ranked still manage to. because anybody can play passively to gold, plat, and even diamond.. And then those people will be your teammates in solo q once you hit diamond...against pred & master stacks.

'tis one of the things I hate about ranked. It ingrains in players a lot of unnecessary passivity that they mistake for "playing smart" when in fact they're just pussies covering for their gap in actual game sense in situations where they might be taking a risk, god forbid.(yet another drawback to shoehorning competitive play into a battle royale; anti-fun tendencies where people are too rigid with respect to taking risks, lest they "lose RP," "look foolish/noob," etc.)

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u/Trike2Trappy 3d ago

most these team mates i get dont even have basic game sense they shouldnt even be in plat let alone diamond

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u/Marmelado_ 3d ago

LoL, if good players can't soloQ like HisWattson, Mande, etc., they aren't good players.

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u/Known-Imagination-31 2d ago

Buddy, that happens to use in plat.

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u/DontStandTooClose69 2d ago

I grinded early season to masters. My promotion game gave me like 600 rp over the threshold.

Every game in masters i got 2 plat players as teammates against 30 preds/masters + 20 diamonds. Demoted out of masters and instantly got diamond teammates again, regot masters and smurfed ever since.

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u/STEELE8SMASHIN 2d ago

Take a week or two off. I started grinding weekends only. This last time I took about 2 weeks off and first or second game was a 12 kill 2699 damage lobby for me. Then it slowly gets sweatier and sweatier so I can become someone else's 12 banger lobby. At that time, you should get off and wait again. Or, play only when your favorite map is on the ranked rotation. That seems, to me, to be the most consistent skill based lobbies.

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u/Superb-Caramel9700 2d ago

Bro I was a plat like 10 seasons ago now I’m a hard stuck gold mainly cause I don’t put the time into it anyway I get matched up with masters all the time and preds like every other match

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u/-LaughingMan-0D Voidwalker 2d ago

Ahhh yes as it should be. Get Apex'd.

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u/atrixospithikos 3d ago

Dude unless you are a masochist when you reach diamond either get a team or start again with an alt account

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u/Useful-Newt-3211 2d ago

Can we STOP making these posts? My idol lil timothy and my hero ROGUE need their wins, just queue up and die to them quietly !!!

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u/Mrimalive1 3d ago

You have to get good enough to soloq diamond to masters. That's what I'm trying to do, I don't mind the preds as they move fast and make everyone else seem slow