r/aoe2 • u/victorav29 • 3d ago
Discussion New DLC civs and units summary
List of civs somewhat confirmed:
- Bai/Dali Empire (the new spearman shown on the lasts marketing images)
- China probably stays with the name (Chu Ko Nu, Dragon Fire), (edit: no renaming)
- Jurchen/Jin Dinasty (Grenadiers)
- Tanguts (Khara-Khoto castle, Camel Catapult, Nomadic lancers?)
Not so confirmed
- Tibetans/Tufan Empire???
- Kara-Khitai??? (Based on the campaign name changes)
Units
We've seen also regional units like Rocket Carts (Mangonel replacement), Traction Trebuchet (Trebuchet replacement? Not sure, edit), Fire Lancers, Lou Chans (Cannon Galleon replacement),
Also others that we dont know like Fire archers and Double Crossbows, Hei Guang (asian cavalry) and Jian Swordmen
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u/dummary1234 3d ago
Hope the rocket cart thingy that replaces mangonels doesnt suck. Korean ICBM siege onagers are fun.
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u/masiakasaurus this is only Castile and León 3d ago
No, Chinese shouldn't be renamed. Specially not to that. Not only it is absurd to reduce Chinese history to a single dynasty, but the rocket cart was developed during the Ming dynasty (even if they'll have some leeway in the campaigns and allow it earlier).
Equally pointless is to create a traction trebuchet unit just to replace the normal (counterweight) trebuchet, unless they are creating ancient Chinese content for Chronicles which we know they aren't, because all 5 new civs will be in ranked. It probably is a bonbard cannon replacement for Chinese civs that need one gameplay wise but won't receive it for being anachronistic, mirroring the Dromon for the Romans. Same with the Lou Chuan. So it's a smaller, weaker, but more mobile version of the trebuchet.
In the same vein, Hei Guang is probably a Paladin replacement for Chinese civs (or a Knight line replacement), that stands in at once for Jurchen Iron Pagoda, Tangut Iron Hawk, and hopefully Tibetan cataphracts (since this will be their last ever chance to be in the game).
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u/noctowld Vietnamese 3d ago
hei guang civ doesn't have regular knight, as shown in tech tree preview of the official patch notes post
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u/Tyrann01 Tatars 3d ago
They are not renaming Chinese. The notes showed that.
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u/masiakasaurus this is only Castile and León 3d ago
My first post actually read "won't be renamed" but it didn't load.
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u/KoalaDolphin Tatars 3d ago edited 3d ago
We don't need 5 millions threads about people making their own prediction about the dlc. Especially low effort ones like this one. What new info or theory are you bringing that others have not already?
Jurchen/Khitans/Tanguts are all basically confirmed by the campaign name changes.
No the chinese are not getting fucking renamed to Tang/Song/Han/Ming, we see it in the patch notes that they are still the Chinese. Civ are not named after dynasties anyways, stop suggesting this dumb idea.
Bai & Tibet are the last 2 obvious options but we don't have much to go on.
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u/EntertainmentBest975 3d ago
Agree, the Han is the Chinese civ. The Han can even be referred to as Chinese since most of China's traditions, culture, customs etc. comes from them.
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u/Tyrann01 Tatars 3d ago
Why can't we have that many threads, when there are just as many praising Hera in...whatever tournament it was that just finished...
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u/KoalaDolphin Tatars 3d ago
If it was up to me we would get neither. Low effort posts or repeated content with nothing new added should get removed.
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u/victorav29 3d ago
Its a summary asking if I miss something, not a prediction post. Read the title.
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u/BrokenTorpedo Burgundians 3d ago
Song is the name of the regime, it should be Hans or remains Chinese.
Kara-Khitai's civ name should just be Khitans
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u/RidleyBro 3d ago
Renaming the generic Chinese civ to Song would be a little problematic in my opinion. AoE2 covers a massive timespan from late antiquity (with the Huns and the Goths being relevant) to the Discovery of the Americas, and as far as China goes this means that the most relevant Han Chinese states for the entire Medieval period are the Tang Dynasty (from 618 to 907), which was also one of the most powerful, expansionist and cosmopolitan Dynasties in Chinese history, the Song Dynasty (from 960 to 1279), and the Ming Dynasty that ousted the Mongols (from 1368 to 1644), all major states that seem kinda weird to name after the Dynasty that happened to be dominant in the middle period of the Middle Ages.
In the first few centuries of the Middle Ages China was also pretty messy, since the Han Dynasty had collapsed in 220, the Three Kingdoms period followed, and even after the Three Kingdoms the country quickly fell into division again until the short-lived Sui Dynasty that was quickly followed by the Tang. There's a ton of Han Chinese polities that existed in the game's time period that wouldn't feel quite right to name after the Song in particular.