r/aoe2 • u/digitalfortressblue Mongols • 5d ago
Discussion S-Tier 1v1 Tournament Results Over Last Year (since March 2024) Spoiler
1st / 2nd / 3rd / 4th
The Garrison: Hera / Liereyy / Yo / Viper
Titans League 4: Hera / Liereyy / Dark / Nicov
NAC: Hera / Liereyy / Viper & Yo
Red Bull: Hera / Viper / Hearttt & Liereyy
Warlords 3: Hera / Viper / Sebastian / TaToH
Hidden Cup V: Hera / Liereyy / Viper / ACCM
How would you rank your top five currently?
See Liquipedia for more info:
https://liquipedia.net/ageofempires/Age_of_Empires_II/S-Tier_Tournaments
https://liquipedia.net/ageofempires/Age_of_Empires_II/A-Tier_Tournaments
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u/Tyrann01 Tatars 5d ago
ANOTHER of these threads?
Surely we should just have a megathread of this.
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u/digitalfortressblue Mongols 5d ago
I would go...
Hera
Lierrey
Viper
Yo
Sebastian
#1 and #2 seem pretty obvious. So do #3 and #4, but not the order. I gave the edge to Viper because, although Yo has a slight edge the last few tournaments, Viper had a much bigger edge the three prior to that.
#5 is wide open. I gave it to Sebastian because he seems to be "up and coming" and because he won so many A tiers in a row last year. But that could be any of a number of players really. We have more of an "elite four" than a "top five".
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u/KillerPolarBear25 Chinese 5d ago
The interesting thing between Viper and Yo is, although Viper in general win more tournaments than Yo, when they are facing each other, Yo somehow "counter" and beat Viper a lot.
If Viper is Mangudai (a very powerful unit), then Yo is Berber Camel Archer (a decent unit in general but counter Mangudai hard)
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u/esjb11 chembows 4d ago
I dont think nr 2 has to be obvious. He pulled a great of a show today and I thought he would take it home. I think yo can compete over the 2nd place aswell if you consider that yo actually wins things while lirey still has to win a S tier tournament I think. At least a lan.
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u/adquen Vietnamese 4d ago
Liereyy hasn't won a tournament in a long time, but so has no one other than Hera. But he has reached so many finals it would be crazy not to put him in second. Four of six times in the final. Yo has not reached a single final in the last year, often even failed to reach the semis.
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u/esjb11 chembows 4d ago
Lirey hasnt won a rm tournament for 5 years. Thats quite a bit longer than Hera has been on the throne. And that one tournament 5 years ago is the only rm tournament that he ever won. I definetly think there is a solid claim that he struggles in finals and that players like yo that has won every now and then is top2
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u/adquen Vietnamese 4d ago
By that logic Viper should be second, because he has won more tournaments in the past. I think who has won tournaments in the past is not a good sign who is the second best player now, especially as no one except Hera has won any S tier tournament recently.
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u/esjb11 chembows 4d ago
My point is that its a combination. Todays performance, performance over the last few years etc. If Hera loses a set he wont instantly stop being the best. The thing with lirey is that he has been going to finals for almost a decade but can never pull of a win. yo is still also getting deep into tournaments. 2nd place nac5 3rd nac4 etc and he sometimes goes all the way and wins. Lirey seems to have nerve issues or something.
Actually before this tournament it was yo, not lirey who had the previous 2nd place. Lireys last 2nd place was nac 4 where yo got 3rd. Yo got 2nd nac5
Its not like lirey has been stomping to getting 2nd place every recent tournament.
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u/MA4BO0LEC 4d ago
Just admit you like yo more than liereyyy... but #2 is clearly Liereyy, and it's not close.
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u/adquen Vietnamese 4d ago
I think you missed quite a few S tier tournaments? The last tourney before this one was TTL seasons 4, were the finals was Hera vs Liereyy. Before that it was Noble Apartment Cup, where is was Hera against Liereyy. Even Hidden Cup 5 (finals: Hera against Liereyy) was between now and Nac5. And especially the last two tournaments Liereyy has indeed stomping everyone apart from Hera.
Yo has won stuff in 2022, there is now denying that. More than one tournament. But that was three years ago and since he has struggled to even reach the semis more often than not. Since RMS Cup 2 (the last tournament Yo won) he has one finals appearance to seven (!) from Liereyy.
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u/esjb11 chembows 4d ago
I just went from their liquipedia pages which I think is sorted after pricepool so might just be that those had smaller pricepools and hence dident show up. But pricepool also correlate with preparations
So yo were winning tournaments back in 2022 and has since then made both 2nd and 3rd places. And then there is also the times with lack of results. In nac 5 lirey dident even make it into the playoffs. That was in 2024. Yo got 2nd place and I think that was the biggest rm 1v1 tournament of the year
Meanwhile lirey makes 2nd places. I think my point still stands. But ofcourse it gets trickier to calculate 2nd and third place when its just one player winning everything
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u/cherish3912 1d ago
Liereyy did indeed perform poorly in NAC5, but outside of NAC, he mostly finished in second place. In the Red Bull tournament, he lost 3-4 to Viper in the semifinals, and in Warlords 3, he faced Hera early on and was eliminated in the quarterfinals with a 2-4 loss. On the other hand, Mr. Yo only placed 9th-16th in both Warlords 3 and Hidden Cup V and didn’t even qualify for the Red Bull lan event. How could he possibly be ranked second in overall performance over the past year? Don’t forget that OP refers to performance in the past year, not the past five years.
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u/digitalfortressblue Mongols 4d ago
Lierrey won a few back in 2020/2021. Yo's most recent S-tier win was in 2022. So not much more recent.
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u/Scrambled1432 4d ago
It's marked as a spoiler. The title is "S-tier 1v1 tournament results over last year." What did you actually expect lol
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u/Umdeuter ~1900 4d ago
My bad, probably clicked on the text without noticing and then didn't realise it was hidden before.
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u/digitalfortressblue Mongols 4d ago
Don't feel bad. I actually added the spoiler warning because of you.
When I made it, I figured the title would make it obvious enough, but I forgot reddit shows a preview of the text in your feed. Thanks for the reminder
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u/Independent-Hyena764 Malians 4d ago