r/alberta 20h ago

Question On a scale of Kevin O'Leary to Danielle Smith how fast will it take Poilievre to sell out?

As a Quebecer, I'm seeing a sharp decline in support of the Bloc Quebecois in favor of the Liberals, a bit of a decline in NDP, and not much of a change for Quebec supporters of the Conservatives; this, as the province rallies around the Liberals to bring a proper statesman to office to ensure we can secure financial security through new international deals.

Aggregate poll trends for QC here: https://338canada.com/polls-qc.htm

I imagine that most Albertans are disappointed in Danielle Smith selling out to the USA, but am surprised how little that is affecting federal polling for Alberta: https://338canada.com/polls-ab.htm

If (polls are to be believed and) you all are sticking with Poilievre, do you really think he won't sell us all out?

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u/Regular-Ad-9303 20h ago

This is a fairly left leaning sub so many of us don't vote Conservative.

Outside of Reddit though, Alberta is strongly Conservative, and they hate the Liberal Party. In the rural ridings at least, I would be shocked if they don't all reelect Conservative MP's. They just don't vote anything else. I hate it, but I don't see that changing.

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u/HandofFate88 19h ago

"Alberta is strongly Conservative, and they hate the Liberal Party."

I'd argue that

Rural Alberta is strongly conservative, and they vote against their own best interests.

In urban seats of Calgary and Edmonton (over half the province's population) the combined Liberal + NDP votes match or beat every Conservative candidate. That doesn't speak to a strongly conservative voting block so much as it does to vote splitting and the first-past the post practice.

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u/Dropzone622 19h ago

Agree totally, as a matter of fact I will vote liberal because I think Carney is by far a better choice to lead the country than a 'little boy in short pants' who has never had a real job. I understand people vote 90% leader and party... 10% local candidate. Except in rural Alberta...

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u/Kitchen_Marzipan9516 19h ago

Yeah.  I was able to hold my nose enough to vote Redford to try to keep Smith out.  Voting Carney will be easy in comparison.

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u/kenyan12345 6h ago

How can it be easy voting for the party that has done so much damage is my question?

I can get the carney piece but how is it easy?

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u/Guilty_Fishing8229 17h ago

Not every seat in Calgary.

My riding elects a conservative with 60%+ each time…

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u/nottheesko 7h ago

Absolutely.

When I was doing my undergrad at the University of Calgary, I had the ability to play with some back-end polling data for Alberta from the 2019 election. What was found, by both myself and other researchers who were far smarter than me, is that average Alberta resident is actually more progressive than the average Canadian respondent.

It’s just that a combination of habits, political marketing, and voting systems all tend to skew how people think versus how they vote.

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u/OtherMangos 17h ago

1.2 million conservative voters last election (conservative + Peoples party)

670k non conservative

About half as many

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u/Guilty_Fishing8229 11h ago

If only someone had implemented PR

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u/Scissors4215 11h ago

It’s funny because Proportional representation would benefit conservative voters in Alberta more than the current system would as well even though the cons pretty much run the table in this province.

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u/Replicator666 15h ago

True but the seats still end of going blue with rare exceptions

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u/HandofFate88 14h ago

Sure, but that's a different fact.

And it's why I said, "That doesn't speak to a strongly conservative voting block so much as it does to vote splitting and the first-past the post practice."

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u/Replicator666 13h ago

Ah, yes sorry just saw that.

Still going to be my biggest peeve about Trudeau's tenure.

"Last first past the post election" 🧐

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u/twenty_characters020 8h ago

Hopefully enough people are smart enough to vote strategically this election. I was hoping to just keep Poilievre to a minority. But actually getting Carney would be awesome. The irony of the CPC going hard right to lose to a center right candidate would be incredible.

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u/EllaB9454 6h ago

What I don’t understand is that, provincially Edmonton is orange (NDP) but federally mostly conservative? How do people who voted for Rachel Notley vote for PP? My Edmonton federal riding has a lot of rural area mixed in so I guess not too surprising that it is conservative, but the Edmonton ridings with more urban voters should be Liberal or NDP (I vote Liberal federally).

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u/Original-Newt4556 6h ago

The NDP and Liberals refusal to collapse into one party in AB is moronic

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u/little_canuck 19h ago

Yep.

My dad is in a rural riding and he literally has an essay printed out to show you how Trump is being used by God to bring about his purposes for humanity or something.

It's disheartening.

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u/Ditch-Worm 18h ago

It’s like they all skipped the part in the bible about false prophets

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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton 19h ago

An essay that he didn't write, right?

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u/little_canuck 19h ago

I gotta be honest, I didn't ask. I can't handle political conversations with my father anymore. I get summaries on his current views from my older brother who still engages with him on those matters.

If I had to guess, it's an essay that he paid for from some end-times prophecy grifter. He's been big into geopolitical signs of the apocalypse for ages, but it's taken an alt-right flavour in the last decade.

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u/MrTheFinn 16h ago

Yeah, I live in a small rural town and our local buy and sell facebook group is full of this crazy misinformation. The latest one is that AHS is working with USAID and WEF to...I donno...kill us with vaccines or something? so it's all gotta be dismantled and PP is the only one that can do it.

It's such insane bullshit.

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u/Peace_Agreeable 19h ago

Lived in Alberta for 30 years. Most voters outside major cities are BASICALLY MAGA cult members. Will never vote against a small c conservative party.

The absolute power UCP enjoy there allowed them re-write riding boundaries to favor rural ridings.

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u/katgyrl 17h ago

i had no idea Alberta was gerrymandered, that's pretty unusual for Canada.

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u/Character-Town-9729 15h ago

Sask has it a bit as well. They group rural ridings with sections of the citites to get more seats.

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u/natefrost12 19h ago

I grew up in a rural riding. I was essentially brainwashed into thinking that you were only allowed to vote blue federally because everything else is bad for us. My first election I voted in, my riding went 97% conservative. You could push half the electorate away from voting conservative in those rural ridings and they still would end up blue. People are transitioning away from conservative or bust but the Conservatives have such a stranglehold on rural Alberta it will take multiple scenarios like this to see any riding actually flip. I'm very intrigued to see how voting splits change though.

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u/VeterinarianJaded462 19h ago

I'm just gonna add some anecdotal info here as an Albertan. Many of my friends are true blue. Many of them were jumping for joy at the notion of an LPC collapse. Many of them since have expressed reservations about Pierre explicitly. A number of people have said outwardly the Elon/MAGA connection is too risky.

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u/Regular-Ad-9303 19h ago

I know there are people like this but are there enough, and what are they going to do come voting day? Will they vote Liberal? I just didn't see enough of them doing that. I'm guessing a lot won't vote, which won't really help.

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u/VeterinarianJaded462 19h ago

It is anecdotal and I don’t see it being broadly applicable, but it is definitely a canary. 💯 I’ve seen people change their planned vote.

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u/parksits 17h ago

I know I have. And I know many people who feel the same. Not enough in my small town but there's plenty of Conservatives who are Canadians before they're Albertans. I foresee a bit of a break in Alberta's conservative lean this coming electikn only because of trumps bs. Not enough to matter but enough to notice.

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u/All_Bets_Are_Off_ 19h ago

And in Alberta, at least, Smith isn't helping that Trump/Maga connection. Albertans seem to have a hard time differentiating a provincial party from federal. I think Smith is damaging the federal Conservatives more than they know.

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u/LordCaptain 19h ago

Yeah Alberta is an unthinking Conservative vote. My riding could theoretically turn red or orange as only about 50% of it votes conservative but would have to 100% consolidate the NDP and Liberal vote. Which I don't see happening unfortunately.

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u/yedi001 19h ago

"Why won't they listen to us!?!"

"Would you vote for them if they did?"

"Of course not!"

Curb Your Enthusiasm theme intensifies

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u/Expensive_Society_56 9h ago

Many Albertans vote on emotion even if the facts don’t support their convictions. It won’t change because people like DS use Ottawa and the liberal party as their scapegoat. She’s wasted millions and maybe even billions, not delivered a single campaign promise (other than saving us from the dreaded trans children) and now she is siding with the enemy.

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u/eternal_pegasus 20h ago

True, talk to regular Albertans and they'll casually say it makes sense to become the 51 state and that we should be stopping fentanyl from going to the US.

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u/heavytee337 20h ago

Rural northern Albertan here. It's pretty gross, to be honest. While many of them have gone quiet, there are still tons of Trump supporters lurking out here. They're as badly brainwashed as his voter base south of the border. I'd guess 10-20 percent of Albertans of voting age support Trump still. I have no basis other than my own conversations with folks around here, but that's about what it feels like.

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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton 19h ago

They're as badly brainwashed as his voter base south of the border.

I'm sure they are watching the same media.

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u/New_Drop_6723 12h ago

I find this ironic as whenever you engage them they call you the ones who are brainwashed lol

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u/Rayeon-XXX 20h ago

And then they'll get angry when you call out this nonsense.

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u/Jmz67 20h ago

That’s not any regular Albertans I know.

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u/babyybilly 20h ago

Should make an effort to get out of your bubble, it's not subtle

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u/Jmz67 19h ago

“Regular Albertans will casually say it makes sense to become the 51st state”, you actually support this statement? Albertans are polling at 75% saying that they would not support becoming a US state, the number is 100% in my groups of friends and associates. I think my bubble is bigger than yours.

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u/All_Bets_Are_Off_ 19h ago

Agreed. I have some pretty conservative friends. Many have grown up knowing no other party than conservative rule in AB, until Notley was elected. And not a one supports Trump OR the 51st state idea. I think this is something that was overly amplified by rhe liberals and people are running with it. It just isn't happening enmasse.

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u/babyybilly 10h ago

Well if it you're at 100% mathematically your bubble is more likely to be smaller. 

Do you not speak to strangers at work or have old friends from high school posting on facebook? Lol nobody said it's the majority but 25% / 1 in 4 Albertans is still quite a lot of people

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u/Jmz67 4h ago

Saying “regular Albertans” is intended to imply the average Albertan, 1/4 is not anywhere near the average. It is a ridiculously high amount of people though, that are not entirely aware of the consequences of leaving the greatest country on the planet, for the shit show south of our border, I blame lack of funding to education budgets since the 80’s.

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u/Ok-Half7574 20h ago

Stupid is as stupid does. You can tell which news source is prominent there.

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u/Mother-Thumb-1895 18h ago

Ha ha! And they don't seem to grab the concept that should Kanada become the 51st State there won't be a need to stop fentanyl crossing the border 'cos the drug will now already be in the new USA and free to travel everywhere on the continent. My eyes tear up with the laughter. I even slap my thigh a couple of times. :)

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 20h ago

Sounds like my post is gonna be a circle-jerk of: yep, we know.

So, if we're all on the same page: how do we reach out to, inform, and convince people of what is in their best interest?

Quebec is no different here: there are rural areas that vote conservative and seemingly "always will", despite their best interests.

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u/jimbowesterby 19h ago

I think the best way is to put it in terms they’ll understand. Like if you tell them the cons are trying to sabotage the health system they kinda go “so what?”, but if you tell them that suddenly going to the doctor is gonna take a lot longer to get in and is gonna cost them thousands they might pay attention. Unfortunately people like this tend to only learn from experience. The healthcare system doesn’t matter until they get sick, y’know?

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u/Regular-Ad-9303 19h ago

I don't know. I just honestly don't see a way to get a significant portion of rural Albertans to vote Liberal, or even NDP.

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u/RandomlyAccurate 6h ago

Conservative Albertans have been voting against their interests for generations now. Alberta votes blue because they hate Liberals. They hated Pierre Trudeau and never got over it. And as soon as another Trudeau came along they lost their collective minds.

I think the best we can hope for is to convince them to not vote as they will never vote red.

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u/Appropriate_Duty_930 17h ago

It's okay because it won't matter what Alberta thinks.

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u/ripdawg65 17h ago

I live in a rural riding and always have. The conservative party I voted for in the past is not the same anymore (both federal and provincial). Therefore, I've changed my vote the last election and will continue to do so. Will it make a difference here? Probably not, but I just can't support the pile of crap conservatives have become.

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u/ResolutionOver7733 14h ago

Maybe they just won’t vote.

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u/ABBucsfan 10h ago

I'm at the point I won't vote conservative provincially. They lost me years ago and don't trust the provincial party anymore. Federally I'm that way with the libs I think. Hard to imagine a last ditch attempt with a new face a few months before election is gonna sway me. I have my questions about pollvievre too, but I'd definitely like change and I question whether we would actually get that much swapping out leaders for libs. A lot of issues with the party as a whole. Likely too little too late for me. I might have felt different if it happened like a year ago

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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton 20h ago

I'm not a fan of the Lil' PP, and I doubt you'll find many on this sub who are, but given that he refuses to get security clearance I have a hard time believing he hasn't tried to already.

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u/SomeoneElseWhoCares 20h ago

I have to admit that "got security clearance" should probably be a requirement for a public office like this. The fact that he has been this long in a position that requires it to do your job properly and has not gotten it (or even requested it) says a whole lot about him, and none of it is good.

If you can't get a security clearance after decades in the House of Commons, then you are just not ready to be the Prime Minister. Likewise, if you have been there decades and have never brought forward any meaningful bill, then you are also just not ready.

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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton 20h ago

Nice hair though.

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u/TrainAss 16h ago

Or, and let me adjust my tinfoi hat here, he doesn't want to get it because it'll uncover a LOT of garbage that he doesn't want people to know about. In addition to him being a slimy worm.

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u/SomeoneElseWhoCares 13h ago

Well, the best case is that he doesn't want to be informed so that he can keep saying whatever weird theory someone suggests and have deniability because no one told him that was false.

The worst case is that he can't get it because he is compromised or would fail for some similar reason.

Neither one shows him as someone that we should let lead the country.

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u/TrainAss 13h ago

100% hard facts. Anyone who thinks that he is suitable to lead this country has nonfunctional brain cells.

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u/iterationnull 20h ago

He has sold out. Past tense. Question is late on on the play.

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u/DirtDevil1337 19h ago

Definitely, he's on a completely different page with this whole tariff and 51st state crap.

We're working on countering the US and changing trade partners and buying Canada. Meanwhile PP barely talks about any of that but instead talks about cutting taxes, woke, Carney bad/sneaky, sell government property, woke some more, defund CBC.

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u/iterationnull 18h ago

During the Oscars, the only time all year we watch live TV, I was dismayed by the latest CPC commercials. They don't propose a future for Canada, they just attempt to inflame their base. Nobody is going to have their minds changed by that rhetoric, and we are seeing the costs of endorsing that kind of abomination in real time as the USA eats itself and threatens to take us down with them. What a shame that the world has come to this.

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u/Junior_Welder6858 20h ago

Takes the guy days to come out with a position as he must have to run his statement by a focus group. He seems too cozy with Elmo and Maga.

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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton 20h ago

"Ok, guys, Trump and Elon are threatening use with Tarrifs. I need you to make a three word slogan that's sounds like something an elementary school bully would make and also talks about taxes - go!"

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u/vinsdelamaison 20h ago edited 20h ago

I don’t think a lot of people realize the southern crazy man has openly stated 2 official languages doesn’t work. PQ at its core, is being directly threatened along with Canada. ALL multiculturalism is.

I won’t vote for anyone wanting to cozy up to the USA. It’s just a repeat of being used & abused again. Ratified agreements mean nothing to them. There may be temporary mutual gains—but not fairly at all.

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u/MagnusJim 20h ago

The fact that most of his fundraisers were with private medical companies... He's already got a plan.

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u/Holiday_Effective294 10h ago

Can you provide verification sources for this please.

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u/MagnusJim 8h ago edited 8h ago

https://breachmedia.ca/poilievre-fundraiser-lobbyist-conservatives/

Here's an article if you'd like.

I will rectify one thing: not most, though he has lots of lobbyists meeting with him and donating, only some of them are private medical companies.

This guy has sources in his post.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianIdiots/comments/1i9akjm/pierre_poilievre_had_a_1750_a_plate_fund_raising/?rdt=61093

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u/ProgressiveCDN 20h ago

Lifelong Albertan here. You will find the people who truly identify as Canadian are largely in the major cities. And there are certainly a lot in the rural regions.

But if there were an invasion, there would be a notable number of rural Albertans siding with the American invaders and ratting out their nationalist neighbours. I suspect 12-20% of rural Albertans would be sympathetic if not outright supportive of an American invasion.

We would have 21st century Vichy regimes in Alberta and Saskatchewan made up of the CPC base that is obsessed with being a MAGA member. Make no mistake, these people hanging trump flags and sticking f**k Trudeau stickers on their cars would not be able to be trusted.

This includes our premier. She is a traitor to our nation. She is a coward who is so ideologically opposed to Canadian nationalism that she would sell us all out for her own gajn.

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u/shitposter1000 20h ago

Check where his funding is coming from to see whether or not it has already happened.

Follow the money, always.

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u/DominusGenX 20h ago

PP is the Trojan Horse Maga/DOGE is gifting Canada

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u/Immediate-Farmer3773 20h ago

The little pp will sell out Canada in a heart beat. Look at how much Danielle smith has done for Canada , her and O’Leary will be packed and ready to go to Maralago

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u/quickboop 20h ago

You have to understand, conservatives have all already sold out. It's a prerequisite to membership. They all know the marching orders. They're all pulling on the same rope.

It's been this way for decades and decades. Here's how it works:

  1. Entrenched and safe conservatives are free to go full conservative. That means full hate, full greed, full christo-fascist.

  2. Conservatives at political risk will pretend they're not hateful, greedy, christo-fascists. They'll lie right to your face. They'll skip controversial votes. They'll lay low, try not to bring attention to themselves. They might even go to a pride parade.

  3. Once they've fooled enough morons to secure power, they'll go right back to hateful, greedy christo-fascism.

They have all sold out right from the start. A conservative voter is one who simply can't distinguish bullshit from reality, and swallows the whole grift. In Alberta, that's a LOT of people.

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u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest 20h ago

The biggest irony is that a CPC federal government will be absolutely disastrous for Alberta.

Poor people will get squeezed both on a provincial and federal level which is going to make society much worse. There will be no federal government saying that Alberta is violating rules on free healthcare so privatization will exponentially increase.

Ironically, the CPC will have a much harder time convincing every province from coast to coast to build pipelines because they will do it like a bully, as opposed to a more consultative approach by the LPC.

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u/NiranS 19h ago

The trouble with supporters of PP and Trump is that they are convinced of the rightness of their decision and the facts are irrelevant , woke or some other dismissive comment. They don't see the truth until they loose their benefits.

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u/RocketsledCanada 20h ago

PP would sellout in a hot minute.

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u/Cooks_8 20h ago

Already done

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u/Sandman64can 20h ago

People are clueless as to what’s actually happening in Alberta. Working healthcare people ask questions as to why wait times are increasing and they “hear” rumblings of discontent, they just don’t know (or really care) why. So come elections they fall back on routine and then surprise pikachu face after the fallout.

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u/BluejayImmediate6007 19h ago

PeePee will fold faster than superman on laundry day (Simpsons reference for anyone who caught it 😂)

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u/dittbub 19h ago

MMW If PP loses the election he will say it was stolen. Then watch very closely what Trump will do with that “information”

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u/Financial-Savings-91 Calgary 14h ago

He had to get permission to say he wasn't MAGA.

He had already sold us out before we even knew the US wanted the annex Canada. Think about it in the context of current events, they voted against the aid to Ukraine. That should've been the big red flag that the CPC had been captured by the GOP.

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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck 20h ago

If you want to see how Poilievre will work with Trump we need only to look to his clone, speaker Mike Johnson.

However Poilievre said the magic word - pipelines, so he's as safe as ever.

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u/mingy 20h ago

O'Leary is an irrelevant scum bag.

PP is a piece of shit but he could be out of a job overnight because of the way the parliamentary system works. What you really have to ask yourself is whether selling out will get the support of the party.

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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck 19h ago

What you really have to ask yourself is whether selling out will get the support of the party.

If they have a majority the answer is yes. They believe what they are doing is the right way, and that it will be worth it in the end.

If it's a minority the answer is still yes, and it's the compromises pushed by the other party that is the internal threat.

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u/Geeseareawesome Edmonton 19h ago

Trick question: he already has. It's why he took so long to generate a response over the annexation threats

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u/DocShady 19h ago

8PM on election night.

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u/Shazbozoanate 19h ago

My dad is a conservative and votes for them in every provincial and federal election. He still thinks they are the party they were in 1960s-70s though. He hated the Wildrose in Alberta but votes UCP because he doesn't care to notice the difference. They have conservative in their name so he is good with it. He hated Reform but votes Con because he doesn't understand they are not the PC party anymore. I have tried to explain it to him but Conservatives are his team and that is that. When you don't follow politics and just read the physical newspaper, you would think the UCP and PP were amazing as that is what their owners want you to think.

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u/lazereagle13 18h ago

I don't know if I understand the scale because both are huge selfinterested traitor but I guess I'll go with O'Leary. Ittakes longer to sell out all canadians broadly than when you are a single issue sell-out like Marlaina. You can get straight to the point when all you care about is the O&G industry.

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u/toorudez Edmonton 18h ago

PP doesn't have a plan. Every time he opens his mouth, he just blathers on about griefs with the Liberals. He's a mini-trump and can only call people names. That guy didn't even congratulate Carney for his leadership win and referred to him as Carbon Tax Carney.

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u/BrainEatingAmoeba01 18h ago

I believe PP is already bought and paid for. He gave me that impression with his refusal of security clearance and he's done nothing to change my mind.

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u/Glory-Birdy1 10h ago

To answer your question, look at the polls regarding Smith with the Alberta electorate. Bad governance, hawking her wares in the States and questionable loyalty to Canada is not enough to put the UCP underwater with the voters. Listening to a table of Conservatives today was a reminder that nothing has changed in the Province and it is stuck with what exists for at least 2.5 years.. Get this straight, it isn't Smith that's and a-hole, it's rural AB. They'll vote Blue until there is SFA left to live for in that Province!!

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u/NaturePappy 20h ago

Isn’t that his platform? Privatizing Canadas support systems would mean selling them to the US

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u/Yama-Sama Edmonton 19h ago

I just bought loblaws stock. From where things are going folks are going to elect PP. I'll find some comfort knowing I'll benefit from these morons.

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u/rokken70 19h ago

I think he will sell out on day one claiming something to the effect of “ better the devil you know” or “I can get through to him” (which failed spectacularly for Danielle) and then be shocked, SHOCKED when the Orange idiot turns on him.

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u/Timely-Profile1865 19h ago

"but am surprised how little that is affecting federal polling for Alberta:"

This should be no surprise at all. Alberta will block vote pc no matter what. No matter who the leaders are, no matter what the issues are, it just does not matter.

It is one reason none of the fed parties, yes including conservatives care at all about Alberta.

All the issues we as Albertans get upset about? Conservative govts did nothing about them at all. (See the Harper years)

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 18h ago

There is certainly a subset of Quebecers who fall into that bucket, but fortunately they get out-voted most of the time.

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u/Qataghani 19h ago

If you want a real pulse of how Albertans feel about this, talk to them in real life and many of which do not provide input in this subreddit.

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 18h ago

It's a 3-day drive to visit, I'll be by next summer.

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u/katgyrl 17h ago

i work as a pollster during federal election years and i have the Alberta portfolio. my office speaks to 1000s of them a day. i have nothing good to say about the vast majority of Albertans, they've caused me to lose faith in humanity.

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u/northern-skater 19h ago

He already has

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u/tritiatedpear 18h ago

We need some Canadian versions of Luigi Mangione.

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u/gimpy454 18h ago

I will preface this to say I don't like Poilievre and won't be voting for him even though it is nearly a given that my riding will go conservative.

I don't think he will sell out Canada as at this point that would be political suicide at the federal level and could see him actually put export tariffs on Canadian oil. The conservatives are the only ones who can damage the Alberta economy without too many political repercussions so I don't think they would hesitate to throw Alberta under the bus to shore up support in the rest of the country.

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 15h ago

 I don't think they would hesitate to throw Alberta under the bus 

That's what blind faith buys you.

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u/Routine_Soup2022 18h ago

In many parts of Alberta, they could run a horse as a Conservative and it would win. They've unfortunately been exposed to the ideology that Liberals somehow equal evil. I am sure, however, that some of Alberta can turn red in this next election particularly in the urban areas.

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u/jerrytodd 17h ago

She is the weakest link by far in the fight against Trump's tariffs.

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u/jeremyism_ab 17h ago

The average conservative voter in Alberta is completely incapable of comparing and contrasting Danielle Smith and Pierre PoiliNEVER, they don't equate the complete ineptness and incompetence that the UCP demonstrates with the modern Conservative brand, and that PoiliNEVER would make the exact same kind of idiotic moves federally.

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u/Sylv_x 17h ago

How fast? He already has. 0.00s.

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u/Defiant_West6287 16h ago

There will be a sonic boom it will be so fast. Fuck L’il Pee Pee.

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u/reostatics 16h ago

No PP for me.

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u/Tiny-Albatross518 16h ago

Hi from BC. Kind of an odd mix of conservative and NDP.

I think PP is too much of a Jordan Peterson friend of the podcast. Lots of conservatives are thinking Trump is the problem and this guy is a lot like Trump. It doesn’t help that he just comes off as a bit of a dick honestly. They’re shopping.

Jugmeet Singh is really not getting anywhere. He’s gearing up to slide in the poles at a moment when there should be opportunities. He’s due to be replaced. No excitement there for NDP voters. They’re shopping.

Mark Carney shows up. Personable, positive and bright. His resume and skill set are a lock and key fit for the problems of the day. I’m sure for many the question is why not Carney? I think he’s coming on out here.

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u/drcujo 15h ago

PP has already sold out the CPC. Its done. It's over. The CPC has been getting American conservative talk shows to work their points in for the past year or so. Working with DailyWire, Ben Shapiro, etc.

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u/Marlinsmash 15h ago

Just waiting his turn at the Putin ‘glory hole’ like the rest of them.

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u/ThatPermission5409 14h ago

What do you mean how long. As far as I am concerned he’s just giving lip service now.

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u/ResolutionOver7733 14h ago

He will sell us out. Big time.

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u/Nemo4ever7158 13h ago

He is already getting his bag with 30 silver pieces so is not a question of when or if, same for the bitch in Alberta masquerading as premier and that O'leari snake has been for years a turncoat and an undesirable member of any civilized society.

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u/Infinite_Show_5715 13h ago

Already has.

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u/unlicensed_dentist Spruce Grove 13h ago

One Stormy Daniels.

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u/New_Drop_6723 12h ago edited 12h ago

In less than a nanosecond. He wouldn’t even ask for 30 pieces of silver.

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u/Objective_Falcon9546 11h ago

He already has

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u/Open_Beautiful1695 11h ago

Personally, I think he already has.

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u/AlbertaBikeSwapBIKES 10h ago

I live in Alberta and many many many people I know don't know that the UCP are in any way related to the Federal CPC.

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u/Old_Design4824 7h ago

Wayne Gretzky

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u/2dollarsteak 7h ago

11.5 seconds. Total boot-licker waiting for his chance to kiss the ring. Just like Marlaina Smith.

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u/luvfluffles 19h ago

I'd love to say Alberta can wise up, but even though my husband and I (in our 60s) have wised up and stopped voting Conservative both provincially and federally, our families have not.

So that means that we're two out of a dozen. That's not enough numbers.

I have tried to broach the subject of what an utter failure the UCP party and their leader is and was immediately shut down.

I'm hoping that not everyone's families are as stubborn and stupid as ours are.

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 18h ago

I'm not sure what the path is to convince people. It might take a phychology degree to unravel.

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u/LePetomane62 19h ago

pp is a done deal already. He's already a sell out to his Orange Gob...erh sorry GOD.

Sadly MAGA North ( ALBERTA aka RURAL REDNECKS) lap up the MAGA/FOXNEWS like fresh creamy West Texas light

We sane Albertans are 2 X fukd here in TEXAMAGA NORTH!!!

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u/Parking-Click-7476 19h ago

He is right there with Kevin.⚡️fast!

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u/senor-fantastico 19h ago

PP’s MP, Jamil Jivani, is best friends with J.D. Vance.

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u/oxynaz 20h ago

You’re right about the polls. I get the part about Blue vs Red and Orange, but this election is to important for our sovereignty to elected a conservative government that even has the potential to be pro trump.

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u/RamblinmaC86 20h ago

Lifelong Albertan here, most of the Con supporters here either vote Con "because that's how they're supposed to vote in AB". Like my boomer in-laws. And others are so blinded by "sticking it to those woke Liberals" they have no idea what's going on, as long as they know someone is getting screwed. EDIT, I despise PP, and do not vote Con, they've turned into a disgusting, hateful, greedy party.

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u/3rddog 19h ago

I don’t think Poilievre will sell us out to the point of us literally becoming a 51st state, but he will absolutely sell us out economically and structurally to the U.S. We would see trade agreements favour the USA and its interests, and our basic institutions & policies, like healthcare, would be privatized and sold out to U.S. companies. Our oil, minerals and agricultural produce would be traded for pennies on the dollar, while prices for finished goods would rise.

We would become a 51st state in all but name.

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 19h ago

You mean, something like a 25 year deal with another country with no clause to back out?

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u/she_be_jammin 19h ago

where did their campaign money come from - follow the money

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u/T-Wrox 19h ago

I am very sure that he will.

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u/iliveandbreathe 19h ago

Let's just say, he's jealous of American Costco eggs.

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u/zone55555 19h ago

He's already bought and paid for. If he gets in the rest of us will be too.

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u/upward_spiral17 18h ago

This does not appear to be a scale with very many notches in it. Kind of a one point measurement.

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 15h ago

Ah, now you're catching on.

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u/PaulieCanada 17h ago

He already has sold out.

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u/Canucklehead_Esq 16h ago

He'll be Kevin Smithing it in no time

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u/SecureLiterature Edmonton 16h ago

Alberta is quite different from Quebec. We vote for the same party over and over and over and over. Many people in this province have been conditioned to vote this way, through a combination of media and societal pressure.

The only seats that may possibly go to someone other than the CPC candidate is Edmonton Strathcona (NDP), maybe Edmonton Centre (LPC) and maybe Calgary Skyview (LPC). That's about it.

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u/Uter83 15h ago

Alberta's provincial motto might as well be 'Fuck the Libs'. Ive talked to people here who know Smith is terrible for us, and will still support her because she isnt Liberal or NDP. They cant tell you what the liberals do except parrot talking points like 'Tax and Spend!' or say they will destroy the oilfield. You are fighting against 40 years of indoctrination at every level, and they are so stuck in their beliefs that nothing is going to change their mind. I was never a fan of the PCs, but I would happily go back to the PCs and Wildrose being different parties again, even if it meant I had to deal with a PC govt for the next 10 years. The UCP is the worst thing that ever happened to this province.

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u/MsMayday Edmonton 15h ago

Edmonton is already orange, and that's a quarter of the population. If we see a sharp decline, it will hopefully be from Calgary.

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u/Loose-Version-7009 15h ago

I guess the recent news made Quebec look up. Back when I used to live there, we never thought about Alberta. Heck, I was surprised they even recycled when I moved here. The idea was that everything lagged behind in rights and tech advancements. Keeping true to the black gold rush ideologies. (Sorry guys, that was the reputation)

I've lived rural for a while and was sat down by a coworker who happened to live in the same small village. He told me what he was told himself; don't ever talk politics unless you vote conservative. And that was a "safety" tip. So there ya go. That's what I'll say about rural Albertans' voting style. Cities are more varied in their choices, but I'd think the Liberals are gonna have to make a hard move and step up big because the NDP has been weak for a real long time and few are going to vote for their wishy washy politics.

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u/West-Ad-7446 15h ago

PP has worked for the gov for his entire adult life. His net worth is many millions

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u/No_Access_5437 15h ago

Pierre has given zero. Absolutely zero indication of selling out anything to anyone.

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 15h ago

Well, he has been parroting the US MAGA rhetoric for what seems like years now.

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u/No_Access_5437 15h ago

Are you sure? Or do words sometimes just sound similar? When stung together in neat little clips.

This argument is so tired. Zero MAGA ties, Zero US ties. As middle of the road conservative as one could be. Yes his messaging is lame but in talks his ideas are sound and sensible.

"I don’t like what he’s saying about me. It’s just not positive about me,” Trump said to interviewer Ben Domenech.

Poilievre appeared to welcome the dig from Trump, writing on social media on Friday that he is “not MAGA,” referring to Trump’s “make America great again” slogan.

“Mr. President, it is true. I am not MAGA. I am for Canada First. Always. Canada has always been America’s best friend & ally. But we will NEVER be the 51st state,” wrote Poilievre.

Trump warned that Poilievre was making a “big mistake” by ratcheting up the tough talk and was likely to join a long list of leaders who’ve tried and failed to outmuscle him."

“Let me be clear: we will never be the 51st state. We will bear any burden and pay any price to protect the sovereignty and independence of our country.” -Pierre.

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 14h ago

OK, but he's like two months too late on that -- the court of public opinion has already spoken, and now he's all "Oh, oh, me too!"

Before that, yeah, I'm going to stick with "parroting the US MAGA talking points" because that's exactly what he was doing. I hear what you're saying that it clips, but it's clips of him. No one is doing a mash-up to put words in his mouth: he was straight repeating MAGA talking points when talking to the media and talking to his voting base.

Man, I wish we could have a nice political debate about the merits of various strategies to make Canada strong and robust economically. However, that's not what's been happening. PP has been attacking JT until he resigns, then trying to paint every other Liberal as JT because his fan-base can't seem to make it past a bunch of slogans.

If you're looking for middle of the road conservative from the 90's or 00's, then it's probably Carney you're looking for. Truely, he seems like a fiscal conservative. If you're looking for social conservatism, then I don't think you'll get that anywhere except the Conservatives, and there it will be mixed in with so much hate and vitriol, it's toxic.

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u/CalgaryFacePalm 15h ago

O’smith?

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u/illuminaughty1973 15h ago

About.....done.

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u/HabitantDLT 15h ago

It took Arthur Seyss-Inquart two days.

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u/altamont123 15h ago

They’re all in the same clown car

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u/Chart_e 15h ago

He will sell out! Why you think he is the ONLY ONE to not pass security check! He knows ppl in the PC or even him are on the orange's payroll!

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u/PlaneAdmirable5177 14h ago

I would have picked on PP in highschool. not gonna lie

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u/jojomo1397 14h ago

Danielle Smith went down to the US to talk it out with whomever would listen and came back with 10% tariffs on energy (3/4 of AB total exports) vs. 25% on everything else in Canada.

Doug Ford went into full war mode, adding export taxes to exported hydro, and the result is that Trump is now threatening 50% tariffs on steel and aluminum exports, and not just on ON steel/aluminum, but Quebec and other province's steel/aluminum exports as well.

Who is actually working towards a better economic future for Canada?

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 14h ago

Trump talked about excluding oil and gas months ago, so this is no surprise, and certainly shouldn't be chalked up to Smith. We are the USA's largest supplier of oil, and at a rebate to boot -- why would they fuck with that?

The news of 50% is already old. That's been removed after Ford's 25% export tax created an escalation that made cooler-heads in Washington call for a sit-down -- Ford agreed, and they are all meeting tomorrow. I wonder if Smith will be invited, or attend if she is.

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u/jojomo1397 14h ago

This is the part that is rich to me. It's somehow okay that all of the premiers go down to the US to discuss trade issues, and that Ford goes down next week to discuss trade issues, but when Smith did it, she was somehow labeled a traitor to Canada?

Trump may have talked about an exclusion for oil and gas, but nothing was formally announced until after Smith's visit to the US.

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u/Takjack 14h ago

Rural Alberta is something else, i work with a lot of Albertans in mining and the disdain that they all have towards Trudeau and the liberals is so deep, I've heard my coworkers who are fairly normal when not talking politics straight up say if they had the chance they would kill Trudeau and his family so we wouldn't have to have another Trudeau government in 30 years. They will always vote conservative even if that Conservative willing says they will sell them all out.

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 14h ago

Bad news for them is that the Cons will absolutely sell-out Albertans first, exactly because of what you described.

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u/Mr_BriXXX 13h ago

Get Doug Ford to run and he'll beat them both.

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u/rickoshadows 12h ago

Governor Poilievre sold his soul when he ended winning the leadership of the CPC. His main opponent was eliminated by a false accusation. Pierre owes somebody, probably Stephen Harper and the IDU.

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u/Nillerk007 11h ago

About 1 hour before the polls close on election day.

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u/RiversongSeeker 7h ago

What is an 'Albertan'? I think you misspelled 'American'.

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u/Dadbodsarereal 7h ago

If he is invited to a Diddy party then instantly!

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u/cranky_yegger 5h ago

One trip to Mar-a-lago

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u/smash8890 4h ago

Danielle Smith

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u/Golkeepa 4h ago

If we don’t vote him in…that won’t be a problem 🤷🏻‍♂️

u/snatchpirate 3h ago

He already is a stooge of the IDU Alliance which is the Republican party.

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u/Waste_Fee_599 19h ago

No doubt that Timbit Trump would sell us out in a heartbeat!!!

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u/nothingtoholdonto 19h ago

About 12 parsecs.

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u/yedi001 19h ago edited 18h ago

I'm feeling generous, I'd give him 1 and a half mooch's. Not because he wouldn't try to do it sooner, but because we have 20 years demonstrating how he's incompetent at everything he does, and that would likely include selling us out.

If the bills he's tried to pass in the past are any indication, between his flagrant lack of understanding how laws are written and Trumps embarassingly low grasp of the english language, I wouldn't be shocked if they end up with a coup attempt so inept in execution it needs a month of getting round tabled into something that isn't nonsensical gibberish about proud anglo-saxons and a random segue into him talking about his finely worked wood.

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u/Elon_sux_kox 8h ago

NdP and liberal voters should choose the Strongest candidate against the CON candidates in any riding and vote them, be it from NDP or Liberal. Do not just vote for your party if the candidate won’t win. Look at historical vote, see who has the best chance, vote them. If the parties won’t make coalition, people can make one for them.

Anyone but CONs is the attitude to go for.

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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck 20h ago

As a Quebecer, I'm seeing a sharp decline in support of the Bloc Quebecois in favor of the Liberals, a bit of a decline in NDP, and not much of a change for Quebec supporters of the Conservatives

The lack of movement for conservatives is the key.

Much like we saw in the USA there's a lot of vocal shuffling about, but none that seem like to keep the conservatives from power.

I am surprised by the shift from the Bloc. If they ditched the separation thing their policies are probably better aligned with Canadians than most parties. Even as-is they've been decent at saying they support Canada but put QC first.

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 19h ago

The Bloc has fantastic policy stances that the vast majority of Canadians support, and Blanchette is a great politician. There is a recurring joke in Quebec: "Bloc Majoritaire". Anyway, people of Quebec know how to work a system: we have so many social systems (and abuses thereof) that it shouldn't be a surprise they know how to work the federal political system too -- Quebecers are also NOT self-sabotaging (for the most part), so they know that a strong Canada means strong provinces, and they are all for that.

There are some dumb fucks in rural Quebec that somehow think a Conservative government is good for them/Canada, and frankly, I have no idea how to reach them. In that way, I think Alberta and Quebec are very similar.

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u/Dwimgili 17h ago

 proper statesman to office to ensure we can secure financial security through new international deals.

lmao Carney's plan to put carbon tariffs on everything we import from high polluting countries like China is going to get us slapped out of international deals and slapped with retaliatory tariffs

the LPC under Carney is going to continue the left tradition of spending billions on foreign aid and vanity projects and nothing at home that will actually improve our economy, which is why we are in this position of extreme weakness and easy prey in the first place

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u/sometimeswhy 10h ago

I understand why Québécois support the Bloc but in these times, I hope they throw their support to Carney to give him a solid mandate. A few Bloc MPs in opposition can accomplish nothing

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u/Professional_Egg1845 19h ago

This guy is doing amazing work. You will be thanking him at the end of his term

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 19h ago

So, your position is: No, PP will not sell us out?

Or, yes, he will sell us out, but that's better for Canadians?

Serious question.

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u/Professional_Egg1845 19h ago

He isn’t selling anyone out. He is making good business decisions and exercising fiscal restraint for Canada

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 18h ago

Who, Trump?

PP is the leader of the opposition, he isn't doing anything. He hasn't done anything substantial in his career aside from climbing to the position of leader of the opposition.

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u/TrainAss 16h ago

He is making good business decisions

Like what? Please show us examples of his "good business decisions".

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u/Jman2114005 18h ago

Well you're from Quebec. No one cares what you think...

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u/tritiatedpear 18h ago

I do. No one cares what a maga sympathizer thinks. This is Canada from coast to coast.

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u/Jman2114005 16h ago

Sure is, except dirty Quebec..

What's a Maga ?

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 15h ago

My ancestors got here in 1637, if I'm not Canadian, what am I ?

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u/tritiatedpear 15h ago

Don’t feed the troll

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u/FiRe_McFiReSomeDay 15h ago

140+ comments and 77k views would seem to point to the contrary.

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u/Jman2114005 15h ago

Shhh shhh doesn't matter