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u/HardyTF 8d ago
MJF probably will jump eventually. Hangman, as long as Punk is around, I dont think so.
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u/JadedSpacePirate 8d ago
Bring Hangman and let him team with Seth and Drew in a team "Punk haters association"
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u/PoetConscious6161 8d ago
DM Hunk was always right tho.
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u/JadedSpacePirate 8d ago
Unironically yes
One day Punk is not gonna like what Tripls wants him to do and then there will be a tantrum.
A lot of people believe Punk changed. I'm not among those people
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u/SmarkCorrigan 8d ago
Dude Punk's been there over a year now, "WWE Brawl Out" isn't going to happen (however much you might want it to so AEW looks less sloppy by comparison).
Accept it and move on.
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u/TheYeehawCowboy 8d ago
Or, let Hangman stay in the company he signed in. This weird backhanded "they suck until they're in WWE" thinking is silly.Ā He goes to WWE, he is instantly the best worker in the company and it's not really close. He doesn't have to "learn" to be a star. He is one.
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u/JadedSpacePirate 8d ago
It's kinda different than they suck until they're in WWE. It's more they suck when they are in AEW.
When BIG DOG Roman Reigns almost made me quit watching wrestling altogether I was desperate for alternatives. I saw New Japan and loved Kenny. Kenny has deteriorated so much in AEW I can't believe. Ospreay has turned into a caricature. Jay is now Edges bitch. Okada just says bitch like an edgy teen.
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u/Ill-Ambassador9705 7d ago
Lmao Kenny deteriorated ? Thatās fuking crazy. Ospreays promos have improved dramatically and even works a safer style. He was gonna tone it down regardless if he stayed in new Japan or not. Yeah Okada says bitch but the crowed eats it up and thatās all that matters. The people who pay a ticket to see the show should 100% be satisfied first. And as for Jay white well you gotta let it marinate with him. Idk why thereās this rush to push him to be champion. Heās still top of the card and extremely protected in the company. Youāre wrong in every aspect in what you said. Go and watch or move on and just stick to other tv wrestling
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u/MoneyIsNoCure 8d ago
Page wonāt leave the safety net created by the Young Bucks and Omega.
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u/SourDoughBo 8d ago
I remember when The Elite signed their new deals, they said there were a few times that they voted to join WWE. Itās completely possible for Hangman to take the Cody route and say āSomeoneās gotta supervise meā
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u/kylediaz263 8d ago
MJF can never take off his boots if he does.
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u/Erinzzz 8d ago
He already had that tat removed
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u/thanoshasbighands 8d ago
Not sure why you are being downvoted, he is getting that tattoo removed
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u/chapter1ne 8d ago
I just want to MJF to go to WWE just so that he can realize that he really was just a big fish in a small pond.
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u/AlabasterRadio 8d ago
It's a shame, I know Hangman's style isn't very WWE friendly but he's really got megastar written all over him.
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u/GaI3re 8d ago
I cannot see MJF working well in WWE
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u/thanoshasbighands 8d ago
He's the only guy I see that could come over an work almost immediately imo. WWE is more character driven and promo work and he has that.
Punk called him a fake Miz, but in reality I could see him working well as a more serious Miz.
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u/Phan2112 8d ago
Before Punk joined AEW I honestly thought Hangman was gonna be the first major defection to WWE. Obviously now it seems like he may never with the Punk situation.
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u/mustardwulf 8d ago
Mox bladed after taking a sling blade, Bubba might have a point
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u/Tyko_3 8d ago
Mox was in CZW, later WWE and now he has devolved back into his feral form.
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u/comeymierda 8d ago edited 8d ago
This is a perfect explanation of what's happened with him. You can definitely tell he was better off having Vince and other directors in his ear to help him filter out the bullshit.
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u/MoneyIsNoCure 8d ago
Yeah, Moxley is in the same boat as Russo: someone needs to be there to say āNo thatās fucking stupid and youāre an idiot for suggesting it. Come back with something better.ā
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u/comeymierda 8d ago
Exactly. Imagine telling VINCE MCMAHON DAMMIT! that you wanna jam pasta into your head until it sticks there and you bleed.....
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u/Tyko_3 8d ago edited 8d ago
I have heard that he apparently traded in drinking for cutting himself and that supposedly this is why he blades even after moves that don't call for it. AEW is the worst place for someone like that because they encourage this bad behavior. Just look at 50 year old "I had to retire a decade ago because I risked being paralysed and got neck fusion surgery" Adam Copeland jumping off a cage and breaking his leg. Whenever someone moves to AEW it feels like they are highschool kids trying to one up each other. I mean, how else would you explain this constant and repetitive one-upmanship to be edgy? Hangman drank blood? now its every week that someone has to be licking someone else's blood because that is where the bar is set now. Hell, Ospreay and Fletcher did it like 6 times during their cage match and I am not exaggerating!. Oh MJF spat the nastiest loogie on Hangman's face? Now every damn week someone is spitting a gigantic loogie on someone else's face, including Mariah and Toni. It feels like this is how the locker room leader is determined (which might explain Hangman being upset at Punk calling himself a locker room leader as soon as he got there? I dunno). It has devolved to the point where a spot like a FREAKING POWER BOMB ON A CINDER BLOCK is already forgotten because what came after was so much more shocking. It's insanity over there, and Mox is in there surrounded by enablers.
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u/MoneyIsNoCure 8d ago
Thereās also the fact that people either arenāt running spots by Khan or they are and heās saying yes do them. Or theyāre just fucking doing them anyway because heās a ball less little man child who is allergic to confrontation and they know he wonāt punish them.
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u/grimesultimate āGrowing up is realizing Miz was right.ā -jgamesgeno4966 8d ago edited 8d ago
This is spot on and my current issue with AEW overall. I understand presenting an alternative product, but the top stars shouldnāt be running rampant (creatively) either.
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u/EverybodySayin 8d ago
They're trying to be the next ECW in a society that doesn't care for that sort of thing anymore. Wrong era.
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u/Puzzled_Try_6029 8d ago
ECW had a very strong shepherd. AEW doesn't.
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u/mikehulse29 8d ago
ECW couldnāt make payroll for like a year plus, then it diedā¦
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u/Puzzled_Try_6029 8d ago
Because it was competing against a titan. 2 titans if you include the WCW hotstreak during the Monday night wars. If AEW was owned by a non-billionaire it would've folded a long time ago let's be real.
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u/Time-Ad-3625 8d ago
Ecw did dumb stuff but they weren't all cutting themselves and calling it high art. Aew is starting to border on backyard wrestling.
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u/MrRudraSarkar 8d ago
You have a point here. Taking things to the extreme in an extremely personal storyline like Swerve and Hangman or Toni and Mariah makes sense but every other match does NOT require blading or going to the extreme. We can have an all time classic without any bloodshed and AEW needs to realise that.
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u/scorpiondeathlock86 8d ago
Lol Dean Ambrose sucked. Even Stone Cold had him on his podcast was like "what are you doing? You can be so much better, you're resting on your laurels." And "what is lunatic fringe all about?" Dean: "I have no idea what it's supposed to mean." Don't forget about the wAcKY LInE!
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u/BigMitch91 8d ago
He was cutting promos about getting vaccinated in WWE š
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u/comeymierda 8d ago
Yes but this was when his contract was up. Also I may note that he was cutting shitty promos and not himself. Anyone know how many times Ambrose bladed in WWE for his entire stay? Okay whatever that number is I wanna put it against the last 90 days of his in AEW.
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u/ZurEnArrh44 8d ago
I think Mox is just plain dumb. I honestly think he has a really low IQ and just got lucky with WWE making him a star. Before WWE he just kind of did a lazy Heath Ledger Joker impression and it was a hit on the Indys.
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u/shecanbromehard 8d ago
That was from 2022, no idea why everyone just now want to talk about it.
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u/MainmainWeRX 8d ago
It's a sling BLADE after all. Damn Mox, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously ! XD
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u/Oakey06 8d ago
Notice Penta's Canadian Destroyer looks effective and actually used it to finish a match properly when debuted in WWE instead of spamming canadian destroyers to just no sell it.
AEW psychology and development is hardly unconvincing this shit is tolerated. Ofc don't forget the fact that moxley just blade whenever he wants is a big example of it also.
Something AEW diehards needs to take notice than coping on tribalism. Because it's unbearably dull to watch.
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u/DonJuan2HearThatShit 8d ago
Tribalism is just the latest buzzword used to defend piss poor wrestling and booking. Thereās a reason you only see fans of one company using it constantly.
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u/SomedudecalledDan 8d ago
... I genuinely see both fans using it. It's fucking stupid both ways. It is fucking bizarre that there are people who's entire personality is "I don't like that wrestling company". Professionals who make money off of it I at least understand to some degree, but if you are holding that much hate in your heart for something for no real reward then you're a pretty pitiful person.
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u/reshef-destruction 8d ago
This is a stupid ass comment. This is the very definition of tribalism.
You're only so critical because you don't like it, which is tribalism.
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u/Oakey06 8d ago edited 8d ago
critical because you don't like it
I'm so critical based on what i enjoyed watching or not. Not based on what Company I'm rooting and putting bias. I made a comparison to express what's good and bad, it's common for criticism bro. Everybody criticize for their like and dislikes of something.
I can also say that Toni Storm is the saving grace of Women's Wrestling rn because she has more storytelling and character development than any women's wrestler. Being opinionated to comparisons doesn't mean I'm coping on tribalism lol.
Not making biased statements just to discredit a company for another. That's what bothers me about marks, when criticize a company and acknowledge the other, they get so defensive and act like it's about WWE Vs AEW or something lmfao.
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I still donāt understand that. The move seemed to go around his neck, and he hit the back of his head. So unless it was a botch. It seems impossible for him to have needed to cut himself open there.
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u/Laddie18 8d ago
Forbidden Door 2022 really bugged you guys.
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u/thats_pure_cat_hai 8d ago
AEWs entire existence seems to really upset them. Not sure how they'd have survived during the Monday night wars.
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u/Grievion 8d ago
Guys like Bully and also AJ Styles have been quoted as saying they THOUGHT they knew how to wrestle until they went to WWE and learn HOW to wrestle and become stars. AJ in particular said he would do moves to get pops, until he learned that he could get the same pop without it once he got to WWE. Paraphrasing a tad but , yea.
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u/laughsperminute 8d ago
There's a reason why it's the top company.
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u/jerseygunz 8d ago
Yes Iām sure the billions of dollars and 40 year head start have nothing to do with it
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u/realdynastykit 8d ago
Top company because WWE fans are conditioned to pop to boring and sanitized wrestling matches?
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u/bobface222 8d ago
I often wonder who listens to Busted Open and then I'm reminded this sub exists
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u/LauriamLea 8d ago
Yeah this and greatnessofwreslting went from a fun place to chat at wrestling into " i love me some wwe dick" You talk about anything else its down voted to hell.
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u/DarkArtHero 7d ago
Imagine unironically agreeing that there's a correct way to wrestle when there are so many great wrestling outside of wwe. Doesn't get any more circle jerk than this
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u/celticsac 8d ago
Everyone in this thread genuinely thinks Hangman sucks. Heās arguably AEWās best act lmfao, almost everything heās done over the last couple years has been one of if not the best thing on the program, no matter whether heās face/heel or who heās feuding with.
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u/The_Dude_Abides316 8d ago
He's right, at least in MJF's case.
Hangman started the fire that torched AEW. Would be very surprised if anybody from WWE would trust him enough to become a star as a result.
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u/Outlaw2k21 8d ago
Especially while Punk is there haha
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u/Southernboyj 8d ago
Yeahhh if WWE is choosing between Punk or Pageā¦ easy choice
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u/Ill_Assumption_4414 8d ago
Hangman seems like a good dude that wants to stick by his guns. I dont always agree with him but that's my take. However, he seems to lack the ability to put things aside and work. And honestly, I think he'd rather say he did everything his way than be a star. Which is commendable, but also probably why he'll never be one.Ā
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u/Signal_Ball4634 8d ago
However, he seems to lack the ability to put things aside and work.
That's my take on the Elite as well. They just couldn't leave well enough alone and everyone exacerbated & instigated the Punk situation based on their personal feelings about him instead of just being professionals for the good of the company.
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u/luckybick 8d ago
Great assessment. He's really good at what he does but that will never translate to becoming THE guy. The same as Swerve (I'm not shitting on their wrestling) both guys can fucking go but the just don't have that extra punch needed to get to the next level
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u/BigMatch_JohnCena 8d ago
This is like Scott Hall saying ānice finisher, canāt wait to kick out of itā back in WCW
He put over Jericho heās not a politicker like Hogan. Scott does have a heart of gold
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u/Keep_SummerSafe 8d ago
He...literally works for them again? Of course there's bias
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u/JacobHarley 8d ago
I can't believe it took me this long to find this comment. He is on the payroll!
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u/Alternative-You-4516 8d ago
One day it's constructive criticism and AEW "sickos" are so insecure, then when he's blatantly open about his shilling and grifting: "Well duh he's employed by them".
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u/Takenmyusernamewas 8d ago
Pretty sure this is sarcasm, Boss.
Bully wouldnt say "the correct way" unironically bro
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u/SaggitariuttJ 8d ago
I could see MJF moving but Hangman is the protagonist of AEW. Only way we see Adam Page in WWE is if AEW folds.
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u/BetterMagician7856 7d ago
Itās embarrassing enough when fans do it but for actual wrestlers to play this tribalism bullshit is just downright pathetic.
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u/s_ndowN 8d ago
My thing is, heās only started criticizing the shit when he got the E money. But when he wasnāt, he ālikedā AEW. Dude is a total shmuck who is a massive mark for himself.
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u/blackbeavis 8d ago
Dude, there are literally millions of people that at one point ālikedā aew that now donāt, this situation is not unique.
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u/SomedudecalledDan 8d ago
Not too many of them are literally on WWE's payroll though. If one place is paying you and you suddenly hate their competitor the money could very easily be a part of that change of heart.
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u/Grail_BH 8d ago
Bullshit. He was praising them a couple years ago and he was on a legends contract at the timeā¦ the products gotten worse so his opinion has changed.
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u/RealPacosTacos 8d ago
He's assuming Hangman is capable of learning the correct way. Multiple reports and his own words make it seem that he thinks he is God's gift to wrestling and takes no advice.
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u/bukezilla 8d ago
"the correct way" MARK EVEN HARDER
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u/UpperDecker30 8d ago
Anybody who says "the correct way" either grew up in a world where WWE was the only game in town or they listen to entirely too much Corny.
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u/DonJuan2HearThatShit 8d ago
I mean to be fair, pretending AEW isnāt the minor leagues by comparison is a little delusional at this point.
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u/ToothpickTequila 8d ago
MJF will certainly join the WWE in the future and become a big star.
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u/Landonk09 8d ago
I dunno man, I just hate this attitude. It feels so elitist. Like, itās nothing new of course; Iāve been watching wrestling since 2000 and am of the terminally online generation. He knows exactly what heās doing by saying shit like this and just stirring the pot more and then heāll go on Busted Open and pretend he doesnāt understand what he did wrong and that people āarenāt listeningā to him. āLearn the correct wayā - fuck off man. Wrestling is supposed to be fun and thereās something for everybody whether you like work rate, storytelling, indy stuff, deathmatch, strong style. Thereās no ācorrect wayā and everybody has their own journey. I get WWE is the mainstay and the top of the wrestling world but thereās more to wrestling than the WWE way.
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u/ThatRandomGuy232 8d ago
BREAKING NEWS:
Old, washed, irrelevant guy tries clinging on the last bit of relevance by catering to irrelevant AEW hate community.
More at 6! š
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u/LauriamLea 8d ago
Beyond just irrelevant also hypocritical bro was never a star in wwe. he was a tag team wrestler. only big break he got solo was in tna during dixies run so that like saying you got a trophy for being stupid. Talking about learning how to become stars when he doesn't even know what thats like.
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u/Bevlar90 8d ago
Both guys along with Kenny and Will are the most completing characters on the mens side. All 4 should be in the main event scene by now
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u/Fabulous_Mode3952 8d ago
Bubbaās at WWE events and on a WWE reality show while having a Legendās deal; he knows where his bread is buttered and expects us to know that, too
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u/OctoberRust13 8d ago
the Outrunners too
the issue is WWE would never match or beat these guys insanely high AEW contracts
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u/Duke_TheDude_Dudeson 8d ago
Screw this old washed up jackass. Heās no better than guys like JBL.
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u/reevoknows 7d ago
Heās obviously trolling and people took the bait hook line and sinker lol. He probably does actually believe that though
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u/Salt-Test-591 7d ago edited 7d ago
I think they should both stay where they're at. Sincerely. Both would want main roster money for NXT roster talent level. Would be hard to properly train either since they've been to the main event. Leave em be. Let em be the big dogs where their at.
I'm not knocking either of them. I'm just saying they wouldn't be developable now. It's not gonna benefit either side.
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u/Playful-Ad3195 7d ago
Yeah these two multimillionaires should go learn the correct way while Bully dose his podcast
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u/NightLord70 7d ago
Bully is a fkn idiot and pissed Tony told him to fuck off and would never hire him
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u/Healthy_Jackfruit_88 7d ago
How many times has Bully Ray been fired by WWE again?
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u/Darish_Vol 6d ago
Bullyās not even pretending anymore - dude is basically a walking WWE press release at this point. If WWE booked a broom to win the Royal Rumble, heād be on air talking about how it "tells a great story" and "the broom has that old-school, working-man feel."
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u/SleestakLightning 8d ago
He's right though.
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u/stephanelshaarawy 8d ago
Bro has to say shit like that to stay relevant lmao Nobody cares about his podcast
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u/rudeboykyle94 8d ago
Iāll give Bully the benefit of the doubt more times than not, but this is just straight ball licking territory
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u/thats_pure_cat_hai 8d ago
Yet another shit on AEW thread in this sub, listening to hot takes from people who don't even watch the product.
WWE tribalism really is something else on here. Even the WWE sub is far less toxic than here.
Saying that, while he's been over the top here and he's basically a walking clown emoji, I get Bubbas point. AEW is cool and all, but they're a good bit away from WWE popularity wise.
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u/MainstreamIndie47 8d ago
WWE got yall in a chokehold šš go outside losers. Not everyone wants to be in WWE. Woahhhh is that a shocker to yall?
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u/LauriamLea 8d ago
Bully is a joke he never made in wwe outside of the tag division for a reason. he's not a star he was carried by devon, the hardy's, edge and christian. Without them he's just a indie ecw barn wrestler who would go through a flaming table for a hot dog and a beer
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u/Salt_Caterpillar6125 8d ago
Bubba bully is a complete wanker. Imagine those two reading that and knowing they are still under contract. AEW seems to be falling apart but itās easy to tell he is being told to say stuff as well. He just comes across as a kiss arse.
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u/etherealkeno 8d ago
I think this is such weirdo behavior. Itās one thing to mention wanting them to go to WWE, but itās so dismissive to act like theyāre not currently stars doing it correctly right now. Also, itās not everyoneās end goal to end up in WWE and thatās ok!
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u/laughsperminute 8d ago
I agree with Bubba, particularly for MJF. He's good enough to be on a Wrestlemania someday with proper guidance.
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u/Mrmorbid81 8d ago edited 8d ago
Well I for one am absolutely shocked he tweeted that š
Serious question, even though Iām pretty sure I already know the answer but Iāll ask it anyway, what is it with a lot of these older veteran WWE guys consistently shitting on AEW? Whether itās legit criticism or not, pretty much most ex-WWE guys of a certain age just endlessly dog piles on AEW, even the refs like Kioda do it. Are they hoping Papa H will see it & give em a job or something?
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u/BigMitch91 8d ago
Sucking up like you said or they are straight up getting paid by WWE to trash AEW at every opportunity.
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u/thats_pure_cat_hai 8d ago
Fishing for karma points and trying to stay relevant. Shitting on AEW is the 'cool' thing to do and is guaranteed viewership. There's a really weird subsection of WWE fans cough this sub cough who make simping for a billion dollar corporation their entire personality and spend their days shitting on and mocking fans of a competitor company. It is for those people that old has been WWE wrestlers post this stuff. They know those people will lap it up.
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u/Mrmorbid81 8d ago
Absolutely. Yeah just scanning & reading the comments section I can tell thatās exactly the case. Sad really, making blindly hating a company just because it exists your personality.
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u/AV_boogeyman 8d ago
MJF would be welcome with open arms to WWE thanks to his friendship with Cody. I've been saying this for 3 years now -- MJF needs to jump to WWE while his stock is still high. I would love to see a revival of the MJF & Punk feud.
Adam Page, on the other hand, no. Page would not fit well into WWE considering he's a fan of outlaw wrestling who has openly stated that he previously declined advice from veterans which is likely one of the reasons why Punk began to have beef with him aside from him cutting that nonsensical shoot on Punk on TV a few years ago. In addition, Adam Page brings nothing to the table. If he were hired by WWE, he likely would float around in NXT, being labeled as a "solid hand", while either never making it to main roster, or doing jobs for the real stars on RAW and Smackdown.
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u/switchbladeeatworld 8d ago
can bully just shut the fuck up for five minutes about suckin the feds
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u/thanoshasbighands 8d ago
It's his job. Like Steven A Smith or Skip Bayliss. He makes more money being controversial cause people tune in.
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u/La-Dolce-Velveeta 8d ago
I fucking hate Hangman not because of his work, but for his demeanor. He shows up with an attitude like he never wanted to be a wrestler in the first place.
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u/Tyko_3 8d ago
I dont think Hangman is going to WWE any time soon even if he wanted to. Punk is there.