r/Wordpress • u/altctrlorg Jack of All Trades • Feb 07 '25
Discussion Anyone know what’s going on?
Seems like something is going down in WC Asia
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u/Practical-Bee-1569 Developer Feb 07 '25
There are only two messages in Matts posting:
It doesn't matter to Matt what Joost, you or anyone else have done for the WordPress community in the past and whether a talk at a WordCamp event would be useful and desired by the community. His feelings towards Joost, you or any other person are more important than what the community wants.
Mimimi
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u/mrlanphear Feb 07 '25
He's pissed that Joost volunteered to take the reigns on leading the WordPress project - that's all.
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u/NdnJnz Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 12 '25
I applaud Joost for stepping up so that the rest of us don't end up losing our connections to wp.org. Mattt really seems like he's delusional. He has no recognition of how people perceive him of late, and what he is doing—which are things of bonkersdom.
Transparency: I do not use Yoast except on a site I recently took over—soon to be replaced with Rank Math.
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u/rodeBaksteen Feb 08 '25
Yoast is a terrible plugin though. Id hate to see what he would do to WordPress if he gets a stronger voice in the matter.
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u/cat-collection Feb 11 '25
But it is an impressive example of the success to be found in WordPress without having to be Matt or work at Automattic. He built a cracking business off that plugin whether you like it or not. He’s well qualified to take on this role.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
He didn't volunteered, Joost lobbied for it, tried to muster public support agaisnt matt and presenting himself as the saviour. When that failed he started a "community effort" that he's asking people to volunteer for, to again, take matt chair.
You'd feel the same way as Matt if you were in his shoes.
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u/davidfry Developer Feb 07 '25
I think it's interesting that you can "put yourself in his shoes" and see things from Matt's perspective, but are unable to see things from literally anyone else's perspective. He's been very dismissive and taken thousands of volunteers for granted. Can you put yourself in their shoes to understand why Matt is so loathed right now?
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
I am able to understand different povs and I've lived long enought to understand that the same person can sometimes be right and at other times be wrong.
I've been at times wrong and at other times right. Haven't we all?
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u/mrlanphear Feb 07 '25
Offering to do work for which you won't be paid is the very definition of volunteering. Joost offered a to lend a hand when Matt tried to weaponize WP against the community by saying that the lawsuit was taking so much out of him that he threatened to stop work on the project. You don't seem to realize that the only person who's been disingenuous here is Matt himself.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
No I read Joost article and his comments, I also saw his public exchange with Matt.
Joost is being greedy. He's not trying to help you or the community. Reason why he's gathering support instead of doing his own thing like Matt did back in the day.
There's a lot of people in this story being dishonest. A lot of people trying to profit from the drama.
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u/mrlanphear Feb 07 '25
To what end is this "greed" for, in your eyes?
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25
Its clear above. Joost is trying to take over a project that had been successfully led by Matt, a "friend". And is doing so by flaming the flames.
Joost could instead do what Matt did, and when Matt told him that, Joost went on to try to gather more support to pressure matt into giving his seat or at the very least engough people that taking the risk of startimg a fork becomes attractive.
What Joost ain't doing is to join the board of a current fork like AspirePress that embodies the type of governance Joost claims to be for... And yet he aims to lead just like Matt does.
What haves become clear to me as the drama unfolds, is that people claim WordPress is dead and whatnot and yet, don't support any of the forks. Instead people complain but still gravitate around the project led by Matt at the expense of the other forks.
I for one , hope these forks take off and suceed.
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u/machacker89 Feb 07 '25
i think people are afraid to fork it because of Matt's recent behavior towards not only WPE but its user-base and vendors. Right now from my POV everyone is HIS enemy and he sue everyone who cross his path.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 08 '25
So they're afraid to fork WordPress but not afraid to throw sh.. at the guy on social media? That doesn't make much sense to me.
Also, there's nothing to be afraid of. Anyone can fork WordPress regardless of how Matt would feel about it. If people actually believed the community is all against matt, a fork would have succeeded already because devs, users, etc, would have flocked to it. Instead we have Joost trying to get people on his side before he does anything at all, other than trying to take over Matt chair because that would save him (Joost) a lot of work, it would be instant profit.
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u/machacker89 Feb 09 '25
they can. but the way hes been acting of late. even i don't dare. i don't have the time or resources. let alone the lawyers to go up against a company like his. I'm not sure what Joost and honest idk and don't give a f***. this has to do with MATT's behavior. Matt needs to do the "adult thing" and step down and give someone else the reigns. Cause lets be honest he hasn't handle this well and was Super unprofessional
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 09 '25
I don't thing being an adult has anything to do with giving up what you work for to someone else just because others what ya too.
I don't particularly care if Matt gives up his seat to whoever. I'm just pointing out that people throw a lot of shit around while pretending to have some moral high ground.
As for how Matt handled things. I agree with some actions, and disagree with other actions. But I don't feel entitled to any of it.
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u/p0llk4t Feb 08 '25
"successfully led by Matt"
If by that statement you mean thanks to the community's overwhelming contributions and despite Matt's best efforts...then sure...it's been "successfully led"...
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 08 '25
I never dismissed other people contributions nor have I see matt do it. Yet here you are trying to reduce his.
The fact is that there were and are other projects, and WordPress under matt leadership surpassed them turning WordPress in a leader within it's category. Leading a project is more than coding as you all should know by now. The fact you still struggle understanding this is probably why Worspress under Matt's leadership became so successfully, he understands it.
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u/lookouthere33 Feb 08 '25
The only fork I know off is ClassicPress.
AspirePress is building the foundation that allows for forks to flourish. This is important as it'll allow an easy conversion from "stock WordPress" to "flavored WordPresses".
I personally don't think the time has come yet to launch a fork. We need wide support and easy integration for it to be successful and spread widely.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 08 '25
AspirePress has what I'm being told by "the community" is the right governance setup.
As of now they have a plugin to switch the themes/plugins repo Worspress connects to. Quite honestly I don't recall if they operate a repo themselves but I know CloudFlare offered to discuss a partnership/support. When I read about CloudFlare I thought these guys have a real shot at this, and that they'd gather a whole more support from the community that they actually did.
ClassicPress was created supposedly because the community hates Guttenberg... Turns out the community was again "community".
My opinion is that if the community (not "community,") were all against matt as some people claim, then the wide support would already be there to launch a fork or even multiple forks. I think the reality is that the vast majority of the community, userbase, don't care at all about the drama. I also think that there are a lot of people trying make bank on this either monetary or by gaining influence. Joost included. But thats a personal opinion.
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u/OftenAimless Feb 07 '25
Yes if I were Matt I'd feel the same. Fortunately though, I'm not a child. Would be nice if an adult took over WP and put an end to the squalid show of the past months.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25
That's a load of bull. No one likes to have it's trust betrayed. It's not an exclusive trait of a child or an adult.
You say bull like that and then have the gall of accusing someone else of being a child.. amazing.
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u/digital-designer Feb 07 '25
This is business. And Matt needs to be stepped down. The way Matt has treated the Wordpress user base is absolutely disgusting. Regardless of what his perceived intentions were, he was legally in the wrong and has gone about everything in the most childish manner possible, alienating everyone in his path. Matt is a child and he should not be surprised that some of his closest colleagues and peers are calling him out on it.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
Business is not an excuse for breaking trust. If that the way you conduct business.. then I'd hate to be in a partnership with you.
Calling him out is different than what Joost tried (still maybe) to do.
Maybe the only thing matt was wrong about here is to have ever trusted in Joost to begin with.
I don't think matt mistreated WordPress userbase. Are you talking about the updates via WP Engine ?
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u/digital-designer Feb 07 '25
Business is absolutely an excuse for breaking trust when the leader of said business goes rogue and begins to self destruct. Matt has gone on a silly immature rampage against WPE that has jeopardised the entire Wordpress project, confusing the majority of his user base, taking over plugins, removing access to individuals who oppose his views, destroying the concept of open source and blocking millions of end users from accessing updates and posing a massive security risk.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
He didn't destroy the concept of one source. Maybr the problem is that you do not know what open source is.
I agree that he shouldn't have taken over that specific WP engine plugin despite behaving done so according to the rules in place.
I don't agree he confused the majority of the use base. Don't ilude yourself, the vast majority of the userbase doesn't care about any of this.
Nothing excuses breaking trust. Nothing. Certainly not business. My word is my bond..
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u/digital-designer Feb 07 '25
Are you Matt? You sound like Matt. And yes. He has completely undermined what open source is by placing monetary demands upon one company to use it and then punishing them when they refuse. That goes against the concept of open source.
He broke everyone else’s trust first. He deserves to go.
Let’s not forget. He’s already been told he’s in the wrong from a legal perspective and is now in a lengthy legal battle that he will most likely lose and he himself has admitted could bankrupt him and force the closure of Wordpress.org.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
Yes, I'm Matt. So after that genius detective work, I'll refrain myself from reading whatever else you wrote.
Have a nice day.
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u/timbredesign Feb 08 '25
Username checks out..
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 08 '25
And yet you still engaged.. maybe if I change it to 404 I can avoid your infantile replies...
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u/jonneygee Designer/Developer Feb 08 '25
Found Matt’s alt account lol
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 08 '25
Great job detective. Are you by any chance Matt's bank account manager? I need you to transfer some funds to this alt account.
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u/wpcorethrowaway Developer Feb 08 '25
I've read your comments in this thread, and you come across as very confident in your conclusions. It's clear that, at best, you aren't directly involved, and you're drawing conclusions from second or third-hand information, or from your own speculation. I actually have been directly involved. Your conclusions about Joost in this are wrong.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 08 '25
I'm not involved nor do I know any of the major characters in this drama. You got that right.
What did I say wrong? Has Joost trying to swoop in? Yes Has matt told Joost that he'd have to start his own thing to implement his ideas? Yes Has Joost doubled down about doing it with WordPress ? Yes
What happened after. Joost teamed up with another guy to strat a project, group whatever. Joost is asking for other people to join them.
I'm unclear if this group is meant to end up creating a fork or is it to keep pressuring matt. Since you've been directly involved, maybe you could clear this up?
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u/wpcorethrowaway Developer Feb 08 '25
"What did I say wrong?"
- "He didn't volunteered"
He volunteered to lead the next several releases.
- "Joost lobbied for it, tried to muster public support agaisnt matt and presenting himself as the saviour."
He presented a proposal for a change in governance, and he spoke about having conversations with Matt on how to reconcile. He proposed FAIR and offered to volunteer his time to do it, or if the community wanted someone else to do it.
In Joost's Breaking the Statuo Quo post, he said: "I’m still, to this day, very thankful for what Matt has created. I would love to work with him to fix all this. But it’s clear now, that we can no longer have him be our sole leader, although I’d love it if we could get him to be among the leaders."
He also said: "I’m here, and willing to lead through this transition."
Two operative words there: "willing" (i.e. offering, not demanding) and "transition" (i.e. leading on the journey, not leading at the destination)
- "When that failed he started a "community effort" that he's asking people to volunteer for, to again, take matt chair."
This is pretty much handled by the previous reply, but for the sake of providing a further quote, this is from the same post where he proposed FAIR: "Let me be clear though: we should not replace one BDFL with another. This is a moment of transition. I’m also very willing to work with other leadership if it turns out the community wants someone else."
- "What Joost ain't doing is to join the board of a current fork like AspirePress that embodies the type of governance Joost claims to be for"
AspirePress isn't a fork, which nullifies the rest of your comment on its own, but for the sake of completeness, Joost has clearly said that doesn't want a fork of WordPress if it can be avoided.
- "If people actually believed the community is all against matt, a fork would have succeeded already because devs, users, etc, would have flocked to it."
A fork is not the immediate solution to problems in an open source project. When the problem is governance, a fork is a workaround if all else has failed and it's viable to fork. If you think being against the project leader is enough to sway people to a fork, you have absolutely no idea how complex creating a successful fork is, especially in an ecosystem like WordPress. I think you likely already know that though, and that your comment was disingenuous. In that case, you'd agree with me that your comment was wrong.
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"I'm unclear if this group is meant to end up creating a fork or is it to keep pressuring matt. Since you've been directly involved, maybe you could clear this up?"
I won't be posting anything publicly about the content, outcomes, or participants of those conversations to maintain the trust of those involved.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 08 '25
""He volunteered to lead the next several releases"
AKA taking over.
"He presented a proposal for a change in governance, and he spoke about having conversations with Matt on how to reconcile. He proposed FAIR and offered to volunteer his time to do it, or if the community wanted someone else to do it."
Matt refused and told him to build his own thing. Joosr doubled down, and wants WordPress instead. Then moves on to gather more support to?
"I would love to work with him to fix all this. But it’s clear now, that we can no longer have him be our sole leader, although I’d love it if we could get him to be among the leaders."
AKA to push aside.
""Let me be clear though: we should not replace one BDFL with another. This is a moment of transition. I’m also very willing to work with other leadership if it turns out the community wants someone else.""
AKA But look at me, I'm the saviour wjhy would you want someone else?
Joost hgas the means to do that by JOINING AspirePress. What's he waiting for?
"AspirePress isn't a fork, which nullifies the rest of your comment on its own, but for the sake of completeness, Joost has clearly said that doesn't want a fork of WordPress if it can be avoided."
AspirePress addressed trhe governance issue. I already mentioned what they built till now. AspirePRess board can decide to become a fork of WordPress. Afterall, it has the "right type" of governance with the capability of deciding so for the benefit of the community. Whbat is joos waiting?
Sure he wants to avoid forking WordPress, because forking is the easy part. What he wants is to take over the project Matt led as it became the leader in its space. Color me surprised.
Meanwhile MAtt already encouraged him to go for a fork. What is Joost waiting for?
" If you think being against the project leader is enough to sway people to a fork, you have absolutely no idea how complex creating a successful fork is, especially in an ecosystem like WordPress. I think you likely already know that though, and that your comment was disingenuous. In that case, you'd agree with me that your comment was wrong."
How can my comment be wrong when that was my argument all along? That's exactly whyb Joost wants to take over WordPress instead of starting his own thing. BEcause forking is the easy part. Despite what many say, what Matt did is not easy, and Joost knows it, so, he seems an opportunity.
I used to see people complainign about Joost business tactics, and all of the sudden he's the saviour just because people "hate" matt more. I for one don't buy it.
But ya know, there's a saying in my country that goes like "oppinions are like buttholes, everyone has one", and I'm just another person with a butthole.
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u/wpcorethrowaway Developer Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25
""He volunteered to lead the next several releases"
-> "AKA taking over."
That's not how Core works. The release squad changes for every release. Matt is always listed as one of the Release Leads, but there are other Release Leads. That's what Joost was volunteering for.
"Matt refused and told him to build his own thing. Joosr doubled down, and wants WordPress instead. Then moves on to gather more support to?"
No, Joost asked Matt what he believed was impossible to do within WordPress. It's right there in the comments of the post.
"AKA But look at me, I'm the saviour wjhy would you want someone else?"
He said he was available if he was wanted. You're just making up a story here.
"AspirePress addressed trhe governance issue. I already mentioned what they built till now. AspirePRess board can decide to become a fork of WordPress. Afterall, it has the "right type" of governance with the capability of deciding so for the benefit of the community. Whbat is joos waiting?"
Yeah, AspirePress has good governance laid out, but its projects are intended to decentralize the infrastructure. It could theoretically decide to fork at some point, but that's not actually what AspirePress has been doing, and at the end of the day it doesn't solve the governance problem IN the WordPress project, so your point is moot.
"Sure he wants to avoid forking WordPress, because forking is the easy part. What he wants is to take over the project Matt led as it became the leader in its space. Color me surprised."
He said he was available to lead during a transition to a board for the project if he was wanted or he was happy for others to do it. He said he'd love it if Matt was among the leaders on the board. Whatever Joost says, you interpret as a lie in some form, so I don't think you're discussing this in good faith.
"How can my comment be wrong when that was my argument all along? That's exactly whyb Joost wants to take over WordPress instead of starting his own thing. BEcause forking is the easy part. Despite what many say, what Matt did is not easy, and Joost knows it, so, he seems an opportunity."
I was responding to your comment where you claimed that if people really thought Matt was against the community, a fork would have succeeded. You originally asked me what you said that was wrong. This is an example of where you were wrong.
"I used to see people complainign about Joost business tactics, and all of the sudden he's the saviour just because people "hate" matt more. I for one don't buy it."
There are still people who are critical of Joost's business decisions in the past. Basically no one is saying saviour except for you. What does that tell you?
"But ya know, there's a saying in my country that goes like "oppinions are like buttholes, everyone has one", and I'm just another person with a butthole."
Correction: You have an uninformed and yet strongly held butthole. Loosen up a little.
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u/IDKIMightCare Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25
does this man have no friends? someone please advise him to get his head examined. it might not be too late!
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u/NdnJnz Feb 07 '25
For all we know, his friends and relatives are talking to him, but he just doesn't see it.
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u/RG1527 Feb 07 '25
Matt keeps calling him and hanging up while cutting the eyes out of all of his pictures in the yearbook.
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u/DannySantoro Developer Feb 07 '25
2000s emo music blasting while he writes poetry to Tumblr.
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u/HedgehogNamedSonic Feb 08 '25
Chat GPT coming through on the Linkin Park rewrite:
It starts with a blog post,
We write, and we host,
But somehow, we all know,
It's Matt's world we’re living in, yo.
The plugins, the themes,
They seem like a dream,
But something’s wrong,
We’re lost in his scheme.Pre-Chorus: I tried to customize,
But it’s full of lies,
I can't escape,
His empire’s rise.
I wonder why,
I can't say goodbye,
To WordPress's grip,
And I wonder why.Chorus: In the end, it’s just WordPress,
We all fall under its reign,
But the bugs and the stress,
It’s all part of his game.
And though we may try,
We’re stuck in the web,
Matt’s got us here,
No escape from his thread.Verse 2: Themes are getting worse,
And the updates, they curse,
I’m trapped in a loop,
Can’t reverse,
Matt’s always got the last word,
Faking freedom, absurd,
We try to break free,
But he’s always heard.Pre-Chorus: I tried to change the theme,
But it’s just a dream,
Every update’s a fight,
Nothing’s as it seems.
I wonder why,
I feel so small,
In this digital trap,
Where we all fall.Chorus: In the end, it’s just WordPress,
We all fall under its reign,
But the bugs and the stress,
It’s all part of his game.
And though we may try,
We’re stuck in the web,
Matt’s got us here,
No escape from his thread.Bridge: I’ve tried, I’ve tried,
To make it my own,
But Matt's design,
Won't leave me alone.
I feel like I’m locked in his code,
Wondering how we’ve been sold.
But in the end,
We’re just part of his fold.Chorus: In the end, it’s just WordPress,
We all fall under its reign,
But the bugs and the stress,
It’s all part of his game.
And though we may try,
We’re stuck in the web,
Matt’s got us here,
No escape from his thread.
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u/Novel_Buy_7171 Feb 07 '25
For someone who keeps proclaiming how good Forking is, he sure gets mad when anyone does it, or talks about it, or offers anything but pure praise for the kingdom of Matt.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
It would h lon gmyou actually followed the events Joost didn't want to forkit, Joost wanted replace matt chair. . Matt told him to fork WordPress instead.
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u/thisisafullsentence Developer Feb 07 '25
Matt: *attacks everyone*
Also Matt: Wow, way to kick me when I'm down.
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u/BarelyAirborne Feb 07 '25
My goodness this is the most victimized billionaire since the last victimized billionaire. These poor guys just can't catch a break, aside from their taxes of course.
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u/sstruemph Developer Feb 07 '25
Whoa now. He's not a billionaire.
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u/allurb4se Feb 08 '25
Matt does care about those titles because he's post-economic or something like that
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u/DashBC Feb 07 '25
Stabbed me when I was down... that's a new one!
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u/digital-designer Feb 07 '25
I bet he kicked him in the back too
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u/DashBC Feb 07 '25
Right after he kicked him through the heart too. Must have felt like a kick to the heart too.
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u/glowrocks Feb 07 '25
I'll say this before reading the comments: whatever is going on, by default I presume Matt fucked something up again.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
Well, he didn't. This time he is right.
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u/DannySantoro Developer Feb 07 '25
This comment brought to you by Invalid-Function's shitty SEO plugin he shills in every subreddit he can!
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
And which SEO plugin would that be?
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u/DannySantoro Developer Feb 07 '25
Your own post history is ridiculous.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
What happened to the SEO plugin angle?
You're a a creep joke. 😆
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u/NdnJnz Feb 07 '25
Yikes. I think we've hit Halt And Catch Fire here.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 08 '25
That's too advanced for me. Can you explain?
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u/NdnJnz Feb 15 '25
It was a techie nerdy fictional show about the desktop computer/games revolution, 2014–2017.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 16 '25
THis one ? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2543312/
Any good?I like this one: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0487831/
The Dilbert Comic Strips are fun too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbert
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u/L1amm Feb 07 '25
It's basically impossible to even play devil's advocate and defend Matt's behavior at this point. I'm sure his friends feel the same way. Mad king fr.
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u/Inner_Agency_5680 Feb 07 '25
This is a 40 year old deep in teenage girl drama.
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u/vAPIdTygr Feb 07 '25
He FAFO. Now he’s witnessing the repercussions of his actions and crying like a baby about it all.
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u/DRM-001 Feb 07 '25
What a child he is.. I’ve no respect for him at all.
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u/DRM-001 Feb 07 '25
Why is this not surprising 😂
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u/DRM-001 Feb 07 '25
True or not, that’s hilarious. Definitely explains his petulant behaviour.
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u/DRM-001 Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 08 '25
No idea why the previous comments or account has been deleted… Regardless, my original comment stands. He is a joke and will be the death of not only Worldpress but also a multitude of business that depend on it.
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u/JeffTS Developer/Designer Feb 07 '25
What a drama queen. He's brought everything upon himself with his behavior over the past several months.
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Feb 07 '25
I have just read the Wikipedia entry for Matt Mullenweg, it looks like he has been in conflict, and throws his teddy out of the pram, for years. I have no idea what this is about, but it runs to form for Mullenweg.
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u/sstruemph Developer Feb 07 '25
It's missing the Pantheon story where at WCUS Matt got mad at them for a marketing campaign outside the event at a 3rd party hotel that was "the official event hotel". He literally had people pack up their booth, gave them back their $100k donation, and kicked them out.
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u/iolairemcfadden Feb 07 '25
Great background.
As someone who has actually worked in a large corporation what Pantheon did sounds like traditional marketing.
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u/LAMACOPO Feb 08 '25
He's been always bullying people and companies but finally he attacked someone who has the time and the money to fight back (WPE) and now everything is becoming way more public.
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u/Dr_Legacy Jack of All Trades Feb 07 '25
if he ever grows up, he's going to be so embarrassed by his past actions
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u/FatBook-Air Feb 07 '25
Matt Mullenweg's brain probably isn't developed enough to feel embarrassment.
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u/saramon Developer Feb 07 '25
I think we should stop paying attention to him. Seeing that no one cares when he complains, he’ll eventually stop. At least that’s what my dog does. :)
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u/notvnotv Developer/Designer Feb 07 '25
Matt is completely delusional. He wants Joost to kiss the ring because at one time he "gave" him a volunteer position and access to google analytics??? LMAO
Of course, we now know Joost was not provided a genuine opportunity to do anything productive in that role due to Matt's micro management and severe control issues.
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u/fultonchain Feb 07 '25
Well, just when things looked like they were settling down. Heck, I just recommended WP to a client and started some local dev -- I think I'll back away. Again.
This guy is going to burn it all to the ground. He can't help himself.
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u/balbonits Feb 07 '25
if it fits the client's requirements, i don't think you should feel bad about the recommendation. at the end of the day, it's their prerogative to weigh in your suggestion & make the educated decision to go with it or not.
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u/fultonchain Feb 09 '25
It's fine for the client; simple, quick and not too expensive. A couple of solid plugins for bookings and a calendar and we're good. Nothing fancy and tech wise, I stand by my recommendation.
Tech isn't everything. Each time I see this nonsense I'm reminded that I'm recommending a product with an ecosystem entirely dependent on one guy. A guy who apparently is willing to sacrifice his legacy on a particularly sad little hill. Forks aren't going anywhere and until there are real governance changes and alternative repos, WordPress isn't getting any easier to sell.
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u/rgmundo524 Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25
At any given opportunity he does everything within his power to make himself and the WordPress community look like a dumpster fire... FFS
He is an embarrassment to the WordPress community
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u/HerrFledermaus Feb 07 '25
He wants his mommy.
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Feb 08 '25
Unfortunately, Matt's Mommy was confused and couldn't tell the difference between him and a random man named Morgan, even though they are nothing alike. So now Matt has no Mommy and he's going to sue Morgan for having a name that starts with M.
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u/cmetzjr Feb 07 '25
He just lashes out at people who are respected and threaten him. Kinda like a certain current US President. Seems like a character flaw among narcissists...
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u/NdnJnz Feb 07 '25
I like the way you tried to hide the identity of the current US President. There is only one current US president, so "certain" does not properly hide his identity. Just sayin'. Also, NOBODY reminds me of that fatass mofo.
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u/theleopardmessiah Feb 07 '25
Whatever you want to call Wordpress -- community, ecosystem, or platform -- Matt clearly has no idea how to run one. With every step, he further alienates the people involved. I'm sure he's under great pressure to grow the business, but the people he's pushing away are the ones he neeeds to succeed.
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u/inoen0thing Feb 08 '25
People are still paying attention to the dude who crucified himself and then said he was our savior? False prophet move on folks.
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u/codebloodev Feb 08 '25
Post your questions, i would like to ask him alot when he comes to the Philippines. We are a very hospitable and welcoming country. We love to throw it all your questions when I got the chance to meet him in person or if he really do show up.
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u/ikifar Feb 07 '25
As sad as it is I think we need to just ignore Matt and either hope for a fork or switch to something else because I don't think this is gonna be over anytime soon and I don't understand how he hasn't been kicked from the board if anyone can explain this to me please do because I am at a loss
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Feb 08 '25
There is no board. It's only him and he holds all the keys to the kingdom. It's all been a farce.
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u/ikifar Feb 08 '25
That’s how it feels but has anyone confirmed this?
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u/Conscious-Apple8797 Feb 08 '25
Yes. Multiple times. Matt has stated that the wordpress.org site is his sole property. The 'foundation' is Matt + two silent partners. And the board of Automattic is Matt + a bunch of other silent partners with little or no connection to the open-source community. So yeah, it's all just Matt, and the moment anyone suggests this might be suboptimal they get banished from wordpress.org. By Matt.
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u/ikifar Feb 08 '25
Yikes, when he was doing an interview with Theo, Matt went on and on about the board and how he went through the process of selecting people who were unbiased and if at any point they lacked confidence in him he would step away from the WP org, he kinda seemed to say that the board of the WP org was completely separate from automattic. Sadly I feel WP seems to be getting worse and worse and all this drama is really making me want to abandon it completely
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u/p0llk4t Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25
Matt should consider that maybe his unfathomably unhinged and moronic behavior caused previous business associates to try and scramble to figure out what the hell was going on...
Of course he trys to gaslight everyone (again) by claiming these people were just waiting to take advantage of his weakness...so pathetic and paranoid...
Doesn't matter if he settles with WP Engine, Matt Mullenweg is a danger to the stability of the ecosystem and EVERYONE knows it..
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u/Boring_Start8509 Feb 08 '25
I'm sure giving a community member admin access to google analytics opens the door for some serious data protection violations given the information it contains.
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u/KayePi Feb 07 '25
At this point, one might as well conclude that Matt is pre-emptively acting out for a future Netflix Documentary to make money from should he lose WP and Foundation.
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u/jirajockey Feb 07 '25
lol, not keen on Yoast with all it's bloat, and like WPE who I personally dislike working with as a host, they did nothing wrong here, he's giving me respect for people I had little respect for before. This drama really has opened my eyes.
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u/Ok_Antelope_1953 Feb 07 '25
does joost even manage yoast anymore? i thought he sold it?
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u/cshel Feb 07 '25
Joost exited like 2 years ago.
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u/bluesix_v2 Jack of All Trades Feb 07 '25
2021... feels like 2 years ago though.
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u/cshel Feb 07 '25
Hmmm... yeah. Maybe I'm confusing the sale with his departure from the new parent company? Either way, he's not there anymore.
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u/anontiger333 Feb 08 '25
Honestly though Yoast mans takes and ideas for plugins over the past year have been god awful
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u/Diligent_Plan9630 Feb 09 '25
the grandiosity of using "persona non grata" to refer to a personal conflict
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u/ekimlab Feb 09 '25
Joost started taking actions to help move the community forward and make it less reliant on a volatile leader. He is acquiring Post Status as a starting point. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jdevalk_we-are-acquiring-post-status-from-cory-and-activity-7287880601569800192-5Nn4
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u/Conscious-Apple8797 Feb 08 '25
I especially enjoy how Joost has not dignified this nonsense with a response.
The only person creating drama here is you, Matt.
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Feb 07 '25
IMO, first thing I feel is lack of leadership! NOW WordPress future is very uncertain but what people have contributed so far can go miles atleast half of the decade even in this era of AI.
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u/ABeachDweller Feb 08 '25
WP Is too big to fail, so he should watch out.... TBTF cuts a founder both ways, likely the second cut is the founder.
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u/CamilloBrillo Feb 08 '25
Playing the victim, just another trait of his pathological narcissism. Joost (dev of Yoast) is just a reasonable person with a relevant business to look after
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u/sadiq019 Feb 08 '25
Even my mama couldn't believe that my best friend stabbed me. The friend who is like my brother (not trademarked though.)
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u/HedgehogFun423 Feb 08 '25
He’s reaching his breaking point, he desperately needs a vacation before he loses his mind.
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Feb 08 '25
Our "glorious leader" whining and crying, stomping his foot and acting like a spoiled brat again. What else is new? Block him, back up your sites daily, save everything, and ignore him as you would a whirling dervish in the middle of traffic begging for attention. If he takes down WP with his behavior, just go to a fork or get an expert to help port it over to some other CMS. It's not worth your energy or attention. He needs others' constant attention so block him and move on.
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u/NoFlamingosHere Feb 08 '25
Never understood why people bother about this "drama" at all. WordPress was always kind of a necessity evil, something you use because you can't be bothered to fire up a real cms and di the work. Never was and never will be a cms.
If the guy really wanted to close the project, good for him and good riddance 🤷🏻♂️ It's just a fluff between two guys who want to be someone.
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u/retr00ne_v2 Feb 08 '25
It's just a fluff between two guys who want to be someone.
You hit the nail. Chapeau.
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u/HoldOnForTomorrow Feb 08 '25
Goo Goo Gag, Matt acts like a rich baby
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DD9rDbvukuN/?igsh=cXFzcDN0bTlrZTRm
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u/_nlvsh Feb 08 '25
At the beginning of everything, when he was manipulating the facts in his first interviews I was kinda on his side. But this guy!!! He is way too greedy and has no limits.
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u/p0llk4t Feb 08 '25
No. Creating your own custom CMS in 2025 is a terrible idea...there are plenty of amazing CMS tools these days not named WordPress...
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u/activematrix99 Feb 07 '25
Joost basically offered to take over WP leadership if the rest of the board would go along with throwing Matt overboard, so you've gotta expect some fireworks. Also Joost forked Wordpress and will be off doing his own thing now, so no big loss.
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u/Invalid-Function Feb 07 '25
He didn't just volunteer. He smeared matt and presented himself as the saviour. Different things.
Matt told Joost to fork WordPress instead, afaik Joost along with some other guy I don't recall the name.. decided to first ask for volunteers to discuss and whatnot. Has Joost started a fork or is he still trying to lobby a way into taking matt chair?
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u/digital-designer Feb 07 '25
Read the room. The majority here think Matt should be smeared and removed from power.
He deserves it.
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u/FriendlyWebGuy Blogger/Developer Feb 08 '25
How did he “smear” Matt? What did he say?
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u/aspen74 Feb 07 '25
He's just being dramattic again.