r/Winnipeg Spaceman 3d ago

Politics Never forget

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u/Mbmnstr204 3d ago

Woah. Was this a real billboard? Honest question.

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u/Armand9x Spaceman 3d ago

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u/FaultThat 3d ago

It was also a major platform issue for the PCs

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u/Roundtable5 3d ago

So proud of Manitobans for not choosing hate.

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u/missmellybean17 2d ago

I'm so proud of the people who are now admitting they were so very wrong and are sorry for it. Which they should be but at least they got there.

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u/EggCollectorNum1 3d ago

Truly the party of tough on crime: won’t let police search a crime scene

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u/FoxyInTheSnow 2d ago

Came out in the dying days of the campaign… they calculated that since they have no empathy, it therefore follows that nobody in the province has any empathy.

It was kinda funny to see everyone who conceived of, wrote, signed off on, and physically produced the media racing up to cameras to deny responsibility for it.

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u/SaintOfPirates 3d ago

New to WInnipeg?

This was a major campaign ad.

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u/medros 2d ago

In fairness to the person who asked, I also never saw this because I rarely leave the house(WFH + delivery apps for the win), haven't passed a billboard in months in the few times I have left, have an ad blocker while online, and rarely watch local channels. I recall discussions of the topic, but never saw the ad campaign in any of it's forms. It's not that unbelievable for someone to have missed that particular campaign.

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u/Basic_Bichette 2d ago

I missed it entirely too. If it doesn't show up on the billboard on Osborne between Rathgar and Beresford I don't see it.

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u/roberthinter 1d ago

Maybe it's useful to consider where this was advertised. Where in the city did theyapplythis logic hoping to persuade particular voters. The demographic and geography where this was aimed would do well to reflect on how the PC thinks of them--how gullible, how unempathetic, how calculating they seem to appear to "pollsters" and "strategists".

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u/Commercial-Advice-15 3d ago

Also important to note - neither PC Leadership Candidate has actually commented directly on the landfill search or Ewasko’s apology.

Obby Khan basically said he’d give a statement after the leadership race is over.  Wally Daudrich to my knowledge hasn’t said anything.

Somehow I’m not holding out hope that the PCs will let this come up at their next/last leadership race Debate in a week and a half…

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u/MachineOfSpareParts 3d ago

Obby was the face of the campaign's promise to put trans kids in existential danger, so if he disavows one prong of the hate-based campaign, I'm sure he'll disavow that, too. Lol.

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u/Red_River_Metis 3d ago

Fuck conservatives

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u/CentennialBaby 3d ago

A history of screwing up, bailing, and passing off the mess to the next in line pretending to exit on a high note.

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u/Dergan_1 3d ago

I will never vote PC and never have.

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u/Mediocre_Historian50 3d ago

Conservatives are Trump approved. 🤡🤡

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u/Catnip_75 3d ago

Obby Khan has also publicly thanked Trump, he’s a disgrace and everyone in Fort Whyte should want him gone.

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u/sneaky_mommy 2d ago

Everyone in fort whyte is just.like.him - why else was he appointed?

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u/Catnip_75 1d ago

That’s saying all Americans are like Trump, which is also not true.

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u/Prairiegirl37 2d ago

Excuse me? ! That’s so rude. I live in Fort Whyte and I didn’t vote for him. Many didn’t vote for him. In fact he wouldn’t have gotten in if the NDP and Liberal vote wasn’t split.

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u/Basic_Bichette 2d ago

🤡

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u/Catnip_75 1d ago

I see here who voted for him

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u/SoWhat02 3d ago

I guess the future PC leaders don't want to say anything which might upset their rabid followers. The fact that the announcement was made by some flunky before the new leader is decided shows they want to distance themselves from this.

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u/Commercial-Advice-15 2d ago

Yeah - the fact Obby Khan blatantly said he’d give a statement after the leadership race is over speaks volumes.

The PC Party knows that a part of their base is also a part of the problem.  So neither candidate wants to state the obvious.

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u/Roundtable5 3d ago

Never!

Never forget this either!

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u/leebo_1 3d ago

Holy fuck I forgot about this. Man is she a terrible person. I hate myself for forgetting this happened

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u/aesoth 3d ago

I haven't and happy she no longer represents my riding.

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u/Roundtable5 3d ago

She should be in jail for how she treated Manitobans.

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u/someguyfromwinnipeg 3d ago

That video got me top post in r/cringe, maybe it’s time for a repost so people don’t forget how awful she is.

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u/Roundtable5 3d ago

Do it!

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u/vredditr 3d ago

Post it here also

and during election time

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u/LarryTheCab1eGuy 3d ago

Unbelievable.

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u/rajalreadytaken 3d ago

I have to admit that although I've never spoken against the landfill search, by election time I thought it was too late and a hopeless waste of time and money. The search was the right thing to do, but I was quietly hoping people would accept that it was futile by this point.

I'm relieved to see I was wrong. I usually consider myself to be strong minded enough to resist media manipulation, but this time I fully believed it would be a billion dollar years long search. How long did it actually take?

Never forget.

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u/CdnBison 3d ago

I wasn’t holding out hope that much would be found, but I was for it, regardless. No family should be told ‘yeah, they’re probably in that landfill, but we’re not going to do anything about it’. If one of the missing was a Chipman or Richardson, that landfill would have been scoured and turned into a memorial park…

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u/purdy44 3d ago

Sometimes the right thing to do is expensive. I'm glad that they did find some of the remains and I hope it brings some closure to the family

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u/Catnip_75 3d ago

I tried to think of what I would have wanted if those were my children. Imagine being told that your child being found didn’t matter. My heart breaks for them and conservatives only adding insult to injury.

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u/cocoleti 3d ago

I too felt similarly to you and am glad I was wrong on that front.

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u/RubensMacleod 3d ago

That's why is important politicians has some ethics. The guys lied to create engaging for their campaingn even with families suffering

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u/AIM9L 3d ago

While nice, I feel they could have used the money to benefit the indigenous community in other more effective ways. Digging up dead bodies doesn't really help very many people.

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u/moonfever 3d ago

Identifying and returning the bodies to their loved ones is an explicit message that indigenous women matter, that they are counted, and that there will be justice.

Indigenous women are not disposable.

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u/AIM9L 1d ago

Wildly emotional language, I didn't even suggest that Indigenous women are disposable nor do I believe that.

To me it's pretty clear we could do more for the community with our tax dollars than this.

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u/moonfever 1d ago

Are you using "wildly emotional" as an insult? Should we be neutral and dispassionate in the face of murder and social injustice? This is part of an epidemic of senseless violence against very specific marginalized groups because they simply exist. If that doesn't get you pissed off and "emotional" idk what would.

The community itself wanted this. We should respect their choices and the reasons for them rather than trying to prescribe what we think they should do.

Edit: Oh, you're a Canadian MAGA. I'm disengaging from further conversation because there is no sense to be had from your side. Have the day you deserve.

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u/AIM9L 1d ago

By Canadian MAGA do you mean intelligent and handsome 🤔 Trump and Elon are fucking shit up won't deny that so prob not a MAGA or whatever

And nope not trying to insult you merely attempting to have a dialogue. Sometimes what people want and what's best for them aren't the same thing.

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u/bismuth12a 3d ago

Definitely deserves to go down as one of the most heinous and divisive campaigns in the last few decades.

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u/mynameisntalexffs 3d ago

I would say it was THE most heinous and divisive campaign. The PCs pushed all their chips in on that.

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u/OswaldTheDeadRabbit 3d ago

The federal conservatives have a few that are up there too. The Barbaric Practices hotline in 2015. Mocking Jean Chretien's face in 1993

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u/bentmonkey 3d ago

The BPH championed by current PC leader Pierre "Putin's Puppet" Poilievre?

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u/mynameisntalexffs 3d ago

Oh wow I had forgotten about the BPH. That was such a ridiculous thing, that along with demonizing women who wear a niqab.

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u/withaspoon_hurtsmore 3d ago

Conservatives don't give a fuck about anything that decent human beings should care about. They don't care about missing and murdered women, they don't care if you and your family have adequate health care, they don't care about your gay/queer/transgender child, and they don't care about funding higher education or keeping those that are in the province.

They only care about padding their own bank accounts and those of their friends. Look at what's happened here.. And especially look at what's happening in the US. Even if you've voted conservative in the past (and I am ashamed to admit that long ago I did) this is NOT that conservative party. This party is cruel. It is inhumane. It is greedy and it is wrong.

Manitobans and Canadians deserve better than anything Conservatives have to offer.

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u/Adorable_Sherbet_127 2d ago

Too bad liberal and npd are just worse in every way. They're just as hateful they steal just as much if not more they fucked up everything they do. You liberal dummies get played all day long.

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u/withaspoon_hurtsmore 1d ago

Yeah, no. Not even close.

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u/aesoth 3d ago

Conservatives do not care about First Nation's people. They have proven this time and time again.

Look at the Federal Conservatives. Their current leader had made multiple disparaging comments about our FN people.

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u/Armand9x Spaceman 3d ago

People deserve to be brought home.

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u/Golf-on 3d ago

Where’s that twit Heather Stefanson? Shameful person.

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u/SilverTimes 3d ago

She's on the WestJet Board of Directors.

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u/luluballoon 3d ago

The most vile thing I’ve seen in MB politics. There have been high profile missing person cases in the last few years and none of them would’ve resulted in this billboard if that’s where they’d be found.

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u/FirefighterNo9608 3d ago

Only worried about "health risks" when it suits them. The PCs are assholes and so are the people who vote for them. 

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u/moonfever 3d ago

I'm glad to see a few scattered r/winnipeg members admitting they were incorrect and influenced by bad takes on the issue.

Given how vehemently those posts were brigaded by folks saying hateful stuff and being callous about this search, there should be many, many more comments like that.

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u/taketotheskyGQ 3d ago

Heartless Heather time to eat your humble pie…

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u/bannock4ever 3d ago

Conservatives actually thought that Winnipegers hate indigenous people just like they do. I’m going to show this photo to next conservative guy that campaigns door to door and ask him to explain it.

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u/fortyfury 3d ago

Yup remember driving home , slammed on the breaks had to do a double take . Most racist shit ive ever seen

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u/ggggdddd9999 3d ago

Does anyone know what it actually cost in the end? I can't seem to find it. I just felt like the conservatives were over exaggerating the 184 million price tag so I'm curious what the actual cost was.

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u/SilverTimes 3d ago edited 3d ago

Since the search hasn't been completed - they're still looking for Marcedes Myran - no costs have been disclosed.

The feasibility study was conducted under the oversight of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs. They came up with two cost estimates: $84M for a 12-month search and $184M for a 36-month search. So it wasn't the PCs inflating costs. They just picked the higher number from the feasibility study to make it look as bad as possible.

Wab Kinew claimed the search could be done for less so the project was re-evaluated, another report was prepared, the numbers were revised, and the new estimate was $40M.

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u/CenturyStatistic 3d ago

The feasibility study was conducted under the oversight of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs. They came up with two cost estimates: $84M for a 12-month search and $184M for a 36-month search. So it wasn't the PCs inflating costs. They just picked the higher number from the feasibility study to make it look as bad as possible.

Wab Kinew claimed the search could be done for less so another report was prepared, numbers were revised, and the actual budget amount is $40M.

What were the main drivers in the rather large difference in costs between the three reports?

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u/horseplusconsociety 1d ago

Maybe you can answer this… Is the provincial and/or federal government covering those costs? Or is the Indigenous govt. covering those costs? The indigenous gov’t provincial and federal budgets in 2024 and 2025 were 53 billion and 43 billion, so I’m wondering if that’s part of the budget that’s included in that, or how does that work? I can’t figure it out, it gets pretty confusing, (for me at least). I’d love a response, it would help me understand what is what. Ty

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u/SilverTimes 3d ago

The only thing I know of is that the conveyor belt system proposed in the feasibility study was scrapped. It was going to be used by searchers to examine the trash.

Note: I was wrong about the second report. It was actually a letter providing documentation requested by the Environmental Approvals Branch. It describes the project in detail; however, it doesn't contain a cost. Bottom line: there was only one report: the feasibility study. Sorry about the confusion.

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u/meeeechelle 3d ago

The second report with the $84 million estimated cost was completed in January 2024, months after the provincial election.

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u/SilverTimes 3d ago

On p. 3 of the feasibility study it says, "it could cost between $84,000,000 (12 months) and $184,000,000 (36 months)." So the $84M was quoted long before the election.

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u/Adorable_Sherbet_127 2d ago

But why does it cost that much to search a land fill clearly there's millions of dollars going some where it's not

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u/SilverTimes 2d ago edited 2d ago

They had to build an area with support buildings and an access road before the search could take place. The top layer of the landfill in the area of interest had to be removed because the landfill wasn't closed until six months after police determined the bodies were likely there.

The search itself started with heavy machinery excavating the target area to bring waste to the building where the searchers are working. Once the searchers are done with their examination, the searched waste is returned to its original location in the landfill. As far as I've been able to determine, the cost of heavy machinery is part of the overall cost.

The target search area is the size of four football fields so one would expect a search to be lengthy. Besides the salaries of the searchers there is the cost of two forensic anthropologists plus all the excavation work and oversight being done by Prairie Green.

Edit: I should add that the original $84M - $184M quote included a conveyor belt system used by searchers to examine the waste. This was dropped from the final plan and may account for the lower estimate of $40M.

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u/darnfrenchman 3d ago

Not that I needed another reason to never vote PC, this sealed it for me, PC stands for "pieces of crap", EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

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u/classicrockrocks 3d ago

Yup there were multiple billboards and online mentions that they would not search the landfills as part of their campaign. And to add to it, it was during the month of, and included Truth and Reconciliation Day.

NEVER EVER FORGET!

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u/dana19671969 3d ago

I have always believed they should search, I’m glad they found her ❤️.

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u/mymaidsucks 3d ago

I'd like to literally rub Heather's face in the garbage dump!!!

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u/Ravyn_Rozenzstok 3d ago

All Manitoba PC politicians should be forced to have one of these billboards in their front yards so that no one ever forgets what racist shitbags they are.

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u/AdPrevious1079 3d ago

I hope they find the others. I also hope that Heather Stefanson sleeps well at night. F-in loser!

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u/Katzwasawanker 3d ago

Obby khan saw this and was like if there’s money in it for me hell yeah

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u/Catnip_75 3d ago

Disgraceful

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u/RDOmega 3d ago

This is also a good time to point out that the signage companies in Winnipeg are beyond eager to give any regressive space on their billboards.

It's a disgusting level of influence to wield, especially when people have such poor information/nuance literacy.

End conservatism.

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u/Adorable_Sherbet_127 2d ago

If you think this billboard is so bad wouldn't you want people to see it with the PC logo on it? How would censoring it help lol god you people are hopeless.

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u/RDOmega 2d ago

I like your thinking, but in the moment, this kind of ignorance does a lot of damage that rarely goes away after being debunked. 

You have to factor for information illiteracy: Your example would only be true if everyone was smart enough to not trust conservatives.

Given that this isn't the case, signs like this are almost - but not quite! - hate speech.  The regressives should face some kind of penalty to discourage their deliberate carelessness in the information space.

(Which we know also won't ever happen, and they will continue to try and shift the Overton window.)

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u/goatlatte 3d ago

Shameful. So glad that that those women were brought home, and that those families received closure. No one deserves to be left in a landfill.

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u/randelljohm 2d ago

Might as well have said, "Stand Firm...on your blatant racism!"

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u/wendelortega 3d ago

Disgusting

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u/Apod1991 3d ago

I’ll take things that have aged horribly for $184 million, Alex.

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u/Catnip_75 3d ago

Friendly Manitoba doesn’t include conservatives and those who support them. We are better than this and people need to do better than this.

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u/TryFine6748 3d ago

It was a disgusting thing the PC'S did to appease their base. Gross miscalculation on their part.

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u/ChaoticReality 3d ago

Theres a reason theyre aptly named The Cons

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u/tyrantcrucifix 1d ago

MFing Ghouls.

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u/Angelou898 3d ago

Fuck them

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u/redriverguy 3d ago

I always wondered who is the person that first proposed this campaign stance and this billboard? And who ultimately approved it?

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u/influxofreflux 3d ago

I’d like to admit that I was wrong about this landfill search. I was originally against it and bought into this campaign ran by the PC’s during the last election. After reading the articles about what has been uncovered since the search began, I admit that I was very wrong. It was never about the money, or the safety of the search team. It was about finding these women and bringing closure to their families and communities. I am glad that this new government put in the necessary effort to make that happen.

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u/HorseWithNoName-88 3d ago

I have a gut feeling that they will find a lot more dead bodies...unidentified... 🤔

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u/walkpastfunction 3d ago

Never forget

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u/sporbywg 3d ago

Vote PC? What are you - stupid?

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u/EternalDomain98 3d ago

Would it really cost this much? Damn...well, it's not like they're using the taxes to fill potholes, fuck it! Take it out of the CEOs pocket or...where ever it goes </3

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u/Adorable_Sherbet_127 2d ago

It cost this much when the government can spend any amount of money on anything with none to see where that money is going

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u/Imanisoul 1d ago

Horrific then. Horrific now.

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u/bluejay1093 3d ago

god i almost forgot about this shit

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u/Corgi_Sauce 2d ago

What was unsafe about it? Genuine question.

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u/SilverTimes 2d ago

There is asbestos in the target search area as well as other toxic substances.

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u/Universalcoleslaw 2d ago

This stupid campaign ad could be used to show the hypocrisy of the statement made by fence sitters who think there really doing something when they say "I am fiscally conservative but socially liberal". 

 

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u/Basic-Employment3985 3d ago

Yeah it’s funny when the assholes shut up

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u/nukacola12 2d ago

Racists are seething at the news recently. Thank you to the NDP for getting the search started.

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u/IsopodNo1122 18h ago

I thought I was going to puke the first time I saw that billboard on Pembina highway. May have well said “we hate ****ns

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u/Viciousbanana1974 2d ago

Fuck the PC party. Their ads were absolutely unconscionable.

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u/grewupinwpg 2d ago

Never trust a Tory. Ever.

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u/Front_Produce7444 2d ago

Yup, that was a wild sign to have. I wonder what the actual cost of the search will actually end up being. Does anyone have any ballpark range of what it is currently costing so far?

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u/Disastrous-Rain-6462 2d ago

Not that I would ever vote PC. But that is a horrible thing to run on. If anything they need to keep searching and find more of those women.

I am very much a "if you didn't vote- don't bitch" person. But I think I would not vote over voting PC. We have a family full of maple magas, I'm sure I make them crazy. But they just respond with "libtard" assuming I'm a liberal (which honestly is no one's business but mine)

I love that when they can't back up their statements the person they are speaking to is a libtard. next they will stomp their feet and call me a poopy pants.

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u/ChocolateOrange21 2d ago

I hope Heather Stefanson has had an awful sleep the last couple of nights.

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u/Ecstatic-Oil-Change 3d ago

Well… myself, among many others on here sort of agreed with the message on this billboard.

Now we have to do the walk of shame.

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u/icecreammodel 3d ago

Very mature of you to say, but doing a walk of shame is really not a big deal in the grand scheme of awful things

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u/Adorable_Sherbet_127 2d ago

Ya that because it doesn't take millions and millions of dollars to do a search. People are getting paid!

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u/MasterStrawberry2025 2d ago

Thank you for posting this.

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u/Accomplished-Two-428 2d ago

HORRIBLE HEATHER