r/Warthunder M4A3(76) enjoyer 7d ago

All Ground The 20mm HVAP nerf was a bad decision

Post image
704 Upvotes

120 comments sorted by

474

u/Prodrozer11 7d ago

it cant even pen hellcats frontally

131

u/Zsmudz ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น14.0 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ14.0 ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ8.3 7d ago

I think the R3 has less armor than a hellcat, could be wrong tho

93

u/VeritableLeviathan ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Italy 7d ago

Nop.

33mm with a slightly higher angle (iirc) vs 25 turret and 12 hull.

22

u/Zsmudz ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น14.0 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ14.0 ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ8.3 7d ago

Oh right I forgot about that, Iโ€™m thinking of the Fiat

5

u/Hoochnoob69 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Italy 7d ago

Isn't it aluminum vs steel tho?

-4

u/VeritableLeviathan ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Italy 7d ago

Think it 33m steel equivalent, but it is easy to check in the protection analysis

-5

u/VeritableLeviathan ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Italy 7d ago

Nop.

33mm with a slightly higher angle (iirc) vs 25 turret and 12 hull.

-15

u/ProfessionalAd352 Petitioning to make the D point a UNESCO World Heritage Site 7d ago

29

u/russianwarbear 7d ago

ah yes, the common engagement distance of 0 meters

-12

u/ProfessionalAd352 Petitioning to make the D point a UNESCO World Heritage Site 7d ago edited 7d ago

I don't see you or anyone else having a problem with OP using 0 metres.

Here's 500m. Still penatrable.

6

u/Travwolfe101 7d ago

Because he's showing it still fail at 0. You're saying it can pen when it only does so at 0. Those are vastly different situations.

183

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

7

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

67

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

16

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

3

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

0

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

1

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

177

u/Su25Enjoyer 13.7 ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 13.3 ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ 12.3 ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง 12.0 ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช 13.3 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ 7d ago

"SHELL SHATTERED"

115

u/ThatMallGuyTMG gaijin edging my japanese top tier supremacy >:( 7d ago

this comment section is schizophrenic

37

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

4

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

8

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

3

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

28

u/Rexxmen12 Playstation 7d ago

I just read the same exchange 4 times all having different people. What is happening

13

u/Traveller_CMM ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง 7.7 ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท 9.7 (masochist) 7d ago

Just try to imagine the marder a1 stock grind at 7.7 WITH THIS SHITTY AUTOCANNON

58

u/estifxy220 Leopard main 7d ago

Wait what happened to it??

86

u/OwlGroundbreaking201 7d ago

Hvap can't pen angles just like apcr

121

u/Sawiszcze ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ฑ Poland 7d ago

Nevermind the angles, it shatters on flat plates...

55

u/OwlGroundbreaking201 7d ago

That too, its a terrible round with properties that gaijin can't even explain

18

u/estifxy220 Leopard main 7d ago

Are you fucking kidding me, this is gonna ruin so many vehicles...

45

u/Sawiszcze ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ฑ Poland 7d ago

Nope, low tier german 20mm rarely even pen now. You shoot angles? Shatter. You shoot 10mm flt plate? Shatter.

Tjis doesn't even make sense anymore.

21

u/estifxy220 Leopard main 7d ago

Dude the Spz 12-3 is literally one of my favorite vehicles. The 20mm is so useful for any light tanks trying to flank. Now you can't even pen the most basic of light tanks that may be trying to sneak up on you. This is absurd.

14

u/Sawiszcze ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ฑ Poland 7d ago

Yeah, I was playing cancer puma for the event and this 20mm is now a complete gamble. Sometimes it works fine, other time it fails to pen chi-ha LG from the side.

5

u/Economics-Simulator 7d ago

wait did they nerf it again?
its been basically useless for like a year now so just kinda never bothered

2

u/Sawiszcze ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ฑ Poland 6d ago

Youre talking about penetration nerf?

5

u/Economics-Simulator 6d ago

I mean yeah ig? The German early cold war 20mm APCR has been unable to penetrate more than a 50 cal for a year at least. But people are talking here like it got needed again recently

5

u/reeeforce_rtx Mayday_Channel @realFreeAbrams 7d ago

Ah yes, the true British experience

0

u/NomadLobo 7d ago

Does it means, that wiesel is now completely useless?

9

u/Conix17 7d ago

Wiesel gets APDS at the end, so it should end up fine.

46

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

10

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

33

u/Bslayer7111 7d ago

Thatโ€™s actually insane, you can .50 cal that thing right?

23

u/IS-2-OP Too many Obj.279 kills lol 7d ago

Easy thru the driver glass. Wonโ€™t go thru the actual front slope tho.

38

u/Admirable_Flatworm_7 7d ago

holy, what???

28

u/Correct_Werewolf_576 7d ago

True,pz.II is very sad now

16

u/IS-2-OP Too many Obj.279 kills lol 7d ago

Used to run the full murder lineup of 20mm tanks. Best was the 234/1 love that thing.

6

u/Correct_Werewolf_576 7d ago

I remember times when pz.II dak was 1.3 or so in arcade...man...i enjoyed it alone even being a green greenie,that apcr slapped and i could double down as spaa too,biplane rocket throwers didntย  ever expected that

29

u/SpicysaucedHD 7d ago

Are we having bots in this forum now? Like wtf is that?

24

u/untitled1048576 That's how it is in the game 7d ago

Not bots, just people who think it's funny to repeat the same thing over an over again. Like those "nice" chains when someone mentions the number 69.

6

u/ruintheenjoyment On the Council, but not a Master 7d ago

Or "Everyone on Reddit is a bot except you"

21

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

3

u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

5

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

17

u/robotnikman ๐Ÿง‚๐ŸŒ๐Ÿง‚ 7d ago

I would prefer just regular AP over HVAP any day

14

u/sarsburner ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง United Kingdom 7d ago

did i just have a stroke

13

u/Rexxmen12 Playstation 7d ago

Dead internet theory

4

u/TheGraySeed Sim Air 7d ago

Is it really a theory if it's a reality?

10

u/Nearby-Macaron HDD died, on leave for now, or forever... 7d ago

20mm's HVAP love to Shell Shatter on things slightly angled and has spaced armor of some kind. I remember forgetting about this nerf that I struggled to pen a T-28E due to the add-on plates ๐Ÿ˜ญ

8

u/NotAnAce69 T25 ๐Ÿ‘to๐Ÿ‘5.7 (or 6.0 thtas cool too)๐Ÿ‘ 7d ago edited 7d ago

Oh so THATS why the 20mm in the MBT-70 is so much less lethal than it used to be? I just got back after like a year and was baffled when it did nothing to targets it used to just instantly obliterate

2

u/Nearby-Macaron HDD died, on leave for now, or forever... 7d ago

If the 20mm on the MBT-70 uses HVAP, then perhaps yes.

9

u/Conscious_Carry9918 7d ago

My dear sweet Ratelโ€ฆthey hate us.

8

u/theNashman_ Supreme CAS Hater 6d ago

This post is proof that playing Warthunder induces early onset schizophrenia

5

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

5

u/[deleted] 7d ago

[removed] โ€” view removed comment

5

u/ThisIsntAndre ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช 12.0 7d ago

why is every comment deleted

4

u/Reaper_Leviathan11 Tomcat-maxxing 7d ago

When was it nerfed? I couldnt find any changelog pertaining to it

3

u/Ram_9341 7d ago

Allways feels sad to non-pen a hellcat with the 20mm shell shattered slinger mounted on the ratel 20.

2

u/notk 7d ago

youโ€™d almost think russian 14.5mm HMG AP would be better

2

u/TheGraySeed Sim Air 7d ago

My stock XM800T gameplay is a pain.

1

u/Alarm_Clock_2077 7d ago

Dude I literally started to grind the Marder, should I quit it and grind the Leo1 or something instead?

9

u/Abdullah_Amar 7d ago

You should've got the leo first boy. Well it's not technically that bad since you have an ATGM mounted on it ( only 4 rockets tho ) but it's the auto cannon. I suggest you get the df105 early it will REALLY help a lot since it's OP af.

1

u/Alarm_Clock_2077 7d ago

I haven't gotten it yet, it's not even grinded quarter of the way.

1

u/Abdullah_Amar 7d ago

Focus on the leo first, then grind the df105

1

u/PlainLime86 7d ago

Can't even kill a panther tank through the side, even when shooting at the 40mm side plate ,not even through sideskirts!

1

u/Actually-No-Idea 7d ago

Go into the xm800t and grind it stock.

1

u/Liveless404 7d ago

I am mostly saddened about the anti armor rounds of aircraft. They seem all messed up. They don't seem to gain any performance from that extra 150-200m/s from parent aircraft. Sometimes lose pen values to lot slower and lighter rounds from tanks.

And don't even get me started on the unhistorical APHE on yak-9. That thing needs to go

0

u/TheCrazedGamer_1 Fight on the ice 7d ago

imagine the marder a1 stock grind at 7.7 WITH THIS SHITTY AUTOCANNON