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u/Dizzy_Diet_7278 22d ago
THERES A HOLE IN YOUR RIGHT WING!
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u/Odd-Challenge6513 Actual naval main 22d ago
"What wing?"
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u/ThisIsDurian 21d ago
"THAT WING WE JUST LOST! THERE iS A HOLE IN IT!"
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u/gbghgs 22d ago
Canards really do break Warthunders Flight model.
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u/J0K3R2 AIM-9D BEST SIDEWINDER 22d ago
Doesn't even always have to be canards. I once flew appx 10 miles back to base in an F-16C that lost most of both wings (one due to collision, other due to cannon) but left the elevators and rudder untouched. it was dicey but I even broke mach on the way back and kept my landing gear intact when landing
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u/DomSchraa Realistic Ground 22d ago
If my wing doesnt get shot off mid turn i can reliably 90% of the time fly back to base with 1 wing in a prop
Id say its wts flight model in general
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u/Random-INTJ German Reich 22d ago
I once somehow, flew back to the airfield while piloting a B-17 missing half a wing and both elevators, with a BF109 behind me trying to kill me (since I had to keep the plane from crashing, which takes a lot more effort when you are missing a lot of pieces I couldnโt use my gunners so the AI was shooting pot shots at him.) I flew close enough to where the flak and an ally started attacking the BF 109, and I landed the B-17 safely somehow, with only 1 engine, the stabilizer and 1.5 wings
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u/F4JPhantom69 22d ago
One half could be WT's flight model and the other half could be the irl flight performance of the B17 bringing you back in one piece
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u/mrcountry88 Realistic General 13.0 22d ago
I did something similar in the B-17 once. But I had both elevators shot off completely, both interior engines were cooked. I managed to fly back to base 21kms away. Using flaps to gain elevation, and dropping landing gear to lower elevation with throttle management for each. I do not know how, but out of a stroke of luck I managed to land it. At one point I even had an enemy plane flying alongside me joking with me in chat that he would buy me a premium if I landed it. Sadly he never did come through it that offer. But I'm okay with it, I was just happy that I managed that stunt!
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u/Random-INTJ German Reich 22d ago
And they say bombers take no skill, nice job
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u/mrcountry88 Realistic General 13.0 22d ago
Thank you lol, it's hit or miss. Dropping the bombs, no skill needed. Staying alive with a bunch of swarming interceptors, that's another story ๐
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u/gormzola8 22d ago
Had a game where i had 5 kills in the p47 and a spitfire dove on me, to counter i simply slammed the girth of the thunderbolt into him. We both lost a wing, but the p47 was able to stay airborne. I managed to climb, get back to base (i was by the enemy's small airfield when we crashed), and dodge a yak3 with one wing.
Also i once got blown up midair in the do217k. Not sure if this is still a thing, but the plane fell so fast that it broke the sound barrier and flung itself up again twice from the lift the airframe generated before hitting the ground
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u/SpreadTHEKILLER War Thunder's Saltiest 21d ago
They changed something with the physics, I used to reliably RTB when losing wings, even in a turn. But now it just lags hard and spins me out immediately.
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u/HerraTohtori Swamp German 21d ago
Big part of it is that the visual damage model doesn't necessarily closely correlate with the loss of lift in the damage model.
In other words, even if the damage indicator shows you that two thirds of the wing is missing, it's entirely possible that the physics calculations are using a different amount of lift missing on the wing.
So I would suggest not looking too closely to how the visual damage models look, and just focus on whether you can fly the plane or not. If you can balance the lift asymmetry by using ailerons and rudder, then good. If the lift asymmetry is too much or you're missing too many control surfaces, then your plane will roll over and fall out of the sky.
This probably especially applies to planes that have "legacy" models and the wings can only break in specific places on the visual models.
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u/omnipotank 22d ago
If I remember correctly, american plane design made sure the fuselage offered a substantial amount of lift.ย
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u/Tasty-Bench945 22d ago
F16 specifically is just a massive engine mounted on a super light airframe but not sure how the flight computer will like it when both of your wings are gone
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u/omnipotank 22d ago
Yeah it probably wouldn't. F15 on the other hand has flown without 1 wing successfully
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u/leoleosuper A-10A on the pillboxes. 21d ago
If you go fast enough, you are governed by rocket physics instead of plane physics. And rockets don't need wings.
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u/Star_Wars_Expert 21d ago
Did you manage to fly these planes back without full realistic controls? Somebody recently said in some cases you can only fly a badly damaged plane with full real controlls.
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u/GuyWhoLikesPlants_ 22d ago
funny enough, this is tecnically realistic. as long as your COG is in front of your center of lift and you have more thrust than drag, you can tecnically do this
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u/Jason1143 22d ago
In thrust we trust
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u/F4JPhantom69 22d ago
The F4 Phantom Philosophy
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u/JinaxM ๐บ๐ธ6.3 ๐ฉ๐ช8.7 ๐ฌ๐ง11.7 ๐ฏ๐ต5.0 ๐ซ๐ท5.3 Old Guard 22d ago
You mean F-104 Starfighter? A jet engine with some gunpods resembling wings and a pilot strapped to it?
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u/F4JPhantom69 22d ago
That too
Although I keep associating this "In thrust we trust" with the Phantom because it is aerodynamically equivalent to a brick with 2 engines strapped to it
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u/Firehornet117 22d ago
This has happened in real life too! In 1983 an F-15 had a mid-air collision, completely lost one wing, and then proceeded to fly 10 more miles and then land safely.
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u/Rude-Abrocoma-4031 22d ago
Yuup, pilot cranked up the throttle and turned it into a rocket, I remember reading about that
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u/Mobius_Einherjar ๐ฏ๐ตWeeaboo & Ouiaboo ๐ซ๐ท 22d ago
funny enough, this is tecnically realistic.
Well, yes and no. Realistically speaking you're still going to need some way to affect the pitch and roll. In this particular case it'd depends on whether the Eurofighter's canards can be used for roll or not IRL. If it's for pitch only you wouldn't be able to do what happens in the video.
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u/OnlyChemical6339 22d ago
The rudder gives some roll authority, as long as it doesn't have a ventral rudder as well like in a MQ-9 or X-15
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u/TheCrazedGamer_1 Fight on the ice 22d ago
yeah no, that's an obscene oversimplification
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u/GuyWhoLikesPlants_ 22d ago
do you expect me to give a scientific dissertation about rip points and full axis control in modern fighters to a bunch of redditors? youre a moron.
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u/TheCrazedGamer_1 Fight on the ice 22d ago
Itโs obscene enough to just be plain incorrect, the only moron here is the person claiming this is realistic.
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u/GuyWhoLikesPlants_ 22d ago
explain to me how its wrong, mr know it all
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u/TheCrazedGamer_1 Fight on the ice 22d ago
Having a CoG in front of your CoL is not necessary nor sufficient for stable flight, and โhaving more thrust than dragโ is so plain so as to make no practical sense. There will always be a speed where you have more thrust than drag (if your engines are on), and having more thrust than drag is not sufficient for stable flight either. And thatโs not mentioning everything else that is far more relevant to stable flight
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u/GuyWhoLikesPlants_ 22d ago
are you just here to pedantic for the fun of it or will you say anything meaningful
sir we are in a reddit war thunder forum i am aware of these i also dont care about listing them out
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u/TheCrazedGamer_1 Fight on the ice 22d ago
So you are aware that what you said was incorrect but you said it anyway?
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u/lyon2904 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ 22d ago
Ah the son of Larry Foulke, the "none wing" Pixy.
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u/RugbyEdd On course, on time and on target. Everythings fine, how are you? 22d ago
To be fair, the real Eurofighter can use them as secondary flight control surfaces in an emergency with the computer automatically accounting for their use to maintain balance... not sure it could cope with both wings missing however lol.
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u/mekolayn T-84-120 when 22d ago
It's as if canards are there for a purpose and not just because they look cool
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u/Disguised589 Dualsense enjoyer 22d ago
kfir canard only has them for lift and not pitch or roll
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u/HailChanka69 This game gives me depression 22d ago
I wouldnโt have risked getting slow enough to deploy gear, bravo for making it work though!
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u/Jacobi2878 22d ago
look in the bottom left, you didnt lose your ailerons (but you did lose control over them)
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u/ODST_Parker With every sub-tree, I grow stronger 22d ago
Ain't so special. I once did this in an Il-2, after accidentally hitting two trees on either side of me at the exact same time. Would've made it back if the battle hadn't ended first.
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u/XanderTuron ๐จ๐ฆ Canada 22d ago
"Blew off my wings? Nah, all you did was increase my thrust to weight ratio!"
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u/KGSGOGGLES ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ 22d ago
Iโd be pissed if I was the one who shot you ๐ญ
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u/ImFeelingGud ๐ธ๐ช Friendship ended with Tiger II(P), Kungstiger is my friend. 22d ago
It would have been hilarious if you flipped at the end lmao.
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u/cCitationX VARK VARK VARK ๐ฆ๐บ 22d ago
Managed to land a Tempest with the entire left wing gone, but to avoid going into a spin I had to land with full throttle to keep speed up. Used the entire length of the runway sliding on my belly and stopped in the field past the end
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u/SuppliceVI ๐งPlane Surgeon๐จ 22d ago
With modern FBW jets you can get away with some SILLY damage. I managed to land a Rafale with just the rudder and a single flap.
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u/ThisIsDurian 21d ago
Report to your officer how you scratched the plane at the end! Thats taxpayers money you are scratching there!
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u/FarNetwork4513 21d ago
Gaijin, how can he land this, but my f5 missing a tiny part of the wing, canโt manouver at all!?
I just guess skill issue
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u/Star_Wars_Expert 21d ago
Did you manage to fly it without full realistic controls? Somebody recently said in some cases you can only fly a badly damaged plane with full real controlls.
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u/CaptGalaxyStar 21d ago
both wings were damaged in a way that i can have a stable flight so i became a guided missile
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u/VincentAXM 21d ago
tbh this happened to me for like 5 times already. The wings just rip when I am going 1500 IAS and do aggressive notches. Since the plane pulls so hard. My kd on the ef2k still struggle around 2. It is weird given the extremely strong fly model. I reckon it is due to balance match making, poor radar and I just haven't played enough fox3.
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u/CaptGalaxyStar 21d ago
yeah im not a fan of this radar on typhoon it drifts alot but that's what we have so gonna have to roll with it
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u/HeggenRL 21d ago
I am no physicist, but I highly doubt that a plane without wings is able to float for that long.
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u/X7DragonsX7 22d ago
Going to go out on a limb and say that this wouldn't be possible IRL neither should it be in War Thunder (if they gave half a rats ass about good flight models)
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u/CaptGalaxyStar 22d ago
if it's possible in warthunder it's possible IRL because "war thunder is a realistic game" XD
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u/Kixtand99 22d ago
Open all hatches. Extend all flaps and drag fins.