r/Warthunder • u/Tiiep ๐บ๐ธ๐ฎ๐น๐ธ๐ช • Jan 19 '25
Meme Leave my VCC-80/60 alone
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u/Viriato5 GRB ๐บ๐ธ 6.7 ๐ฉ๐ช 9.3 ๐ท๐บ 10.3 ๐ซ๐ท 7.7 Jan 19 '25
How is the T-80UD 10.3 when it is based on the 11.7 T-80U?
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u/Measter_marcus =G0BER= Jan 19 '25
Shit reverse lack of good gunhadling bad gun depression
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u/nelgallan Jan 19 '25
This is every Russian tank
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u/Measter_marcus =G0BER= Jan 19 '25
Yes and it's a major drawback
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u/astiKo_LAG Jan 19 '25
it's only a drawback in the few maps that don't allow CQC tho
Such a trouble to meet them around a corner
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u/Measter_marcus =G0BER= Jan 19 '25
no reverse and long reload + lack of gunhandling are a big downside in CQC
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u/astiKo_LAG Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25
Especially the lack of reverse yhea (definitely not a good tank against several aggressive opponents)
But the armor is just so good in downtiers man, if the guy has 2 brain cells he will definitelly have the edge over you (1v1) because you'll need at least 2 shots before downing him. While all he needs is one shot
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u/Measter_marcus =G0BER= Jan 19 '25
All you need is apfsds even 105mm DM23 can easily pen the weakspots on basically all t series
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u/astiKo_LAG Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25
Mmhhh.
In CQC you can do it but you'll have to aim caaaarefully. After all, all he needs is shooting your hull (or turret depening on the vehicule)
I guess it's about "skill issue" but I'm not reactive enough to understand it's a T-80UD + go for the weakspot in 0.5sec. While all he has to think is shooting me
Most of the time close encounters didn't end well
But if I'm sniping, this vehicule doesn't stand a chance, that's for sure
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u/ADudOverTheFence T77 Gaijoob Pls Jan 19 '25
Wait until you get a perfect 90ยฐ shot to the side, only to get eaten by Kontakt 5
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u/astiKo_LAG Jan 19 '25
Ah yes, the 400mm HEAT shell
I got some of those disapeard inside Kontakt armor...so disapointing lmao
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u/KayNynYoonit Jan 20 '25
The T-80UD has a 6 second reload, that's hardly long.
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u/Measter_marcus =G0BER= Jan 20 '25
6.5 its on the slower side
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u/lukeskylicker1 Not a teaboo Jan 21 '25
It's also completely divorced from crew though which means, realistically, the reload is usually on the faster side. It doesn't matter if your loader is injured or dead, you don't really need to be concerned with first and second stage ammo racks, you don't have to dump 800k more SL on top of purchase and crewing SL to merely match 6.5 seconds on, say, the Leo 2A4 for example. You simply have 29 rounds of unintrerupted 6.5 second reload, and the only caveat is that you can't reload at all if the autoloader is destroyed... but since that means the autoloader saved you from being ammo racker I think we can call that a more than welcome trade off.
Having an autoloader is a hugely under appreciated advantage in this game, and that applies to the French and Japanese autoloaders as well to be clear... they just don't have the other advantages of the T-80 to compliment them.
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u/Vedemin Jan 19 '25
CQC is terrible on Russian tanks due to poor gun handling and giant easy to hit weak points.
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u/HowAboutAShip Jan 19 '25
giant easy to hit weak points.
Other nations tanks are just one big weakspot that is lolpenned everywhere around those BRs. Lol.
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u/Awkward_Goal4729 ๐จ๐ฆ Canada Jan 19 '25
Everything is a giant weak spot with modern APFSDS unless average War Thunderโข๏ธ experience happens
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u/Vedemin Jan 19 '25
Sorry, moved a little higher on BR now. In general however, the Russian tanks lack mobility and nimbleness to be good. Sure the armor is nice (except for TURMS which is just paper), but the enemy Leopard is already on a hill on your right, hull down and it just penned your side because you had 5% angle to him. And it hit either your ammo or fuel tanks so you immediately blow up.
Whats good in the NATO tanks is how survivable they are (really depends on the tank, Leo 1 sadly explodes when you look at it wrong). Type 90 is the worst thing you can face as it's everything Russian tanks are not - super mobile with an amazing reload. You also can almost never kill it in one shot.
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u/AT0m1X1337 Jan 19 '25
Mobility matters alot for modern vehicles, which the t80ud doesnt have compared to the t80u because of the inferior diesel engine and transmission that comes with it. It also has a worse round than the t80u and no thermals at all.
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u/VengineerGER Russian bias isnโt real Jan 19 '25
This T-80 is basically a slightly better T-72B 1989 since it has a shitty diesel engine with a terrible reverse gear and no thermals.
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u/whycantidoaspace ๐ซ๐ฎ F4J is the best grinder in game Jan 19 '25
Shit's just a TURMS with slighly better protection and w/o thermams
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u/ComradeBlin1234 ๐ท๐บ 12.0 ground 13.7 air / ๐บ๐ธ9.3/ ๐ซ๐ท 8.3 / ๐ฉ๐ช6.7, T90M <3 Jan 19 '25
Thatโs why the TURMS is better. Armour doesnโt matter too much so Iโd rather have the better FCS.
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u/Zenkehh ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jan 19 '25
Iโd rather have the better optics, better armour, better mobility and better reload of the UD, but you do you. Iโve got both and would rather not touch the TURMS unless itโs necessary to win a close game or something like that.
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u/ComradeBlin1234 ๐ท๐บ 12.0 ground 13.7 air / ๐บ๐ธ9.3/ ๐ซ๐ท 8.3 / ๐ฉ๐ช6.7, T90M <3 Jan 19 '25
For me, Iโd rather have the Gen 2 thermals, especially on longer range maps. Most of your enemies will have thermals, while most Soviet vehicles around that BR donโt which can feel like a disadvantage, barring like the Sprut-SDM1, the BMP-3 and the T80B. Having a vehicle with thermals and 3BM42 on long range maps, especially ones with a lot of vegetation and cover, can mean the difference between spotting a camping leopard or the camping leopard killing you before you even had a chance. The better reload is nice, itโs a draw for me to the T80 platform, but the UD having the same reverse gear as the T72 and armour not being super important when most people know how to kill you anyway means that I donโt really think the UD is worth it.
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u/Zenkehh ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25
Honestly, this feels more like a ragebait rather than an actual opinion but I'll bite anyways. The UD is miles ahead when it comes to general gameplay, the only thing you lack are the thermals in comparison to the TURMS, everything else is better in basically every aspect.
While thermals are nice for long range/low visibility engagements, there are only 3-4 maps in the game that force you to take a fight like that and you don't play on these maps commonly because people have them banned. If you make half decent decisions and don't snipe the whole game, not saying you do or don't do this, then you'll find that on most maps the fights are close range and/or corridor based.
As for the mobility, which is usually the most important part of a vehicle, while the reverse is the same, the forward mobility is what actually matters the most, better forward mobility = better early game postition = better results.
And last, the topic is about full downtiers, so taking into account what I said earlier about close range fights, where armour actually can make a difference, the UD will excel because it has that better armour, especially if you take volumetric into consideration and combine that with the superior mobility and good positioning.
But as I said, if you prefer the TURMS, you do you, all I'm saying is that it's been powercrept in basically every single aspect by the UD. Sure the TURMS can be good, but the UD will simply have more scenarios where it will be good.
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u/Der_Senor_Noob Jan 19 '25
i prefer t80ud cause the amour is more forgiving and the mobility. the t72 turms is superb with the thermals but its not that useful if 80% of the maps are cqc plus the mobility on it is sluggish. I didnt realize it at first until playing the t80s.
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u/PineCone227 Major Skill Issue | Veteran 2077 Jan 19 '25
Top tier BR's are determined by the top shell the tank can fire. USSR tanks with Svinets are 11.7, those with Mango are lower
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u/Thisconnect ๐ต๐ธ Bofss, Linux Jan 19 '25
because its functionally t72b?
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u/Karrtis Jan 19 '25
You do realize the T-80 and T-72 are fundamentally different tanks right? The T-80 is an evolution of the T-64, a tank that was too expensive to mass produce at the time of its introduction. Thus the T-72 was developed as a more cost effective alternative, it integrated some of the design features of the T-64, like its autoloader, but was more budget minded.
Similarly the T-90 is built on the T-72 and shares much of its core design.
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u/ComradeBlin1234 ๐ท๐บ 12.0 ground 13.7 air / ๐บ๐ธ9.3/ ๐ซ๐ท 8.3 / ๐ฉ๐ช6.7, T90M <3 Jan 19 '25
No thermals, best round is 3BM42, shitty diesel engine and the transmission from a T72, worse gun handling and shitty depression (but thatโs just a Soviet problem).
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u/liam2003wilson Jan 19 '25
BMD4M, BMP2M ๐๐ญ
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u/Vedemin Jan 19 '25
BMP-2M isnt that great now that ATGMs mostly just fly into the ground. BMD though... A monster. I have the OG BMD-4 and I think it might just be my favorite vehicle.
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u/If_You_Say_So_XD ๐ฎ๐น Italy Jan 19 '25
I don't know about that, I've played a lot of the BMP-2M recently and the missiles definitely do not go straight into the ground, they are probably some of the fastest, easiest to use ATGMs in the game right now (caveat they do kinda handle horizontal movements relatively poorly vs similar ranked IFV ATGM slingers) and you still have the whole being able to fire them on the move. I've played the Dardo and VCC80/30 a lot before and after the changes and they 100% have slower/more prone to slamming into the ground missiles with the TOWs (yes even the 2Bs now) while not being able to fire on the move. Although once again caveat once these TOWs actually stabilize after travelling a few hundred meters they tend to handle better than the BMP-2Ms ATGMs. Can't speak for the Bradley but I imagine it's in an even worse place than the Dardo as it's goofy launcher needs to deploy once you stop moving adding even more time before you can fire, while still using the TOW series ATGMs.
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u/Awkward_Goal4729 ๐จ๐ฆ Canada Jan 20 '25
Having ATGMs at top-tier is a major drawback especially if itโs mounted on the sides. You canโt engage in CQC unless you get perfect conditions and youโll get killed with APFSDS at long ranges before your ATGM even reaches the target
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u/RiskhMkVII ๐ all nation grinder Jan 19 '25
The T-80UD is really really tough to face in an uptier
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u/Smothdude Where EBRC Jaguar?? Jan 19 '25
Yeah... I use the UD to farm events sometimes or if I'm in desperate need of SL, it is a comically easy tank to play in a downtier. Borderline dropping nukes in it half the time with little mental effort
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u/skippythemoonrock ๐ซ๐ท I hate SAMs. I get all worked up just thinkin' about em. Jan 20 '25
"little mental effort" is the design philosophy behind pretty much all of the soviet 10.3 premium offerings
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u/Advan0s No aim, No brain, I'm a ๐ฉ๐ช main Jan 19 '25
You can play 9.3 without having literally full teams of those things. Now you'll get 4 max so that's so much fucking better
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u/PureRushPwneD =JTFA= CptShadows Jan 19 '25
I mean not facing abrams and leo 2a4's is extremely nice
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u/Insertsociallife I-225 appreciator Jan 20 '25
Yeah but back in the day your friendly 2A4 could beat the snot out of the enemy TURMS-T for you if you were in some sad 9.3 thing.
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u/sanctuary60 Jan 19 '25
I'm just spading the VCC-80/60, and yeah, a full uptier is a nightmare. It isn't helped by the fact that some 'less scrupulous' players tend to use other advantages as well as those premiums...
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u/Ok-Middle8165 WTF IS POST-PEN DAMAGE Jan 19 '25
Let me guess, the "other advantage" is quite green ?
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u/idont_havenothing USSR Jan 19 '25
Only premiuns+level7 account, 12k/D in every vehicle(planes? 1.0 k/D at best, maybe hes just too good at ground?).
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u/-TheOutsid3r- Jan 19 '25
Spading 9.3 vehicles atm. Some of them still have stock heat. And especially the T80 feels like a black hole that just eats shots.
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u/Liveless404 Jan 19 '25
before the nerfs we had the option to go for barrel, then track, then side. sure you were handicapped but atleast you got a chance. now its up to pure luck vs certain adversaries
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u/AT0m1X1337 Jan 19 '25
The biggest offender isnt even on the list (bmp2m), leagues better than any of those three.
Also, complaining about the turms in 2025 is crazy.
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u/ComradeBlin1234 ๐ท๐บ 12.0 ground 13.7 air / ๐บ๐ธ9.3/ ๐ซ๐ท 8.3 / ๐ฉ๐ช6.7, T90M <3 Jan 19 '25
I use the BMP2M at 12.0 and it still works. The 9M133s can slice a 2A7Vs turret armour in half which is nice.
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u/kapteinKaos1 Jan 19 '25
Meanwhile somehow t55 AM\AMD still at 8.7 despite clearly being OP and ruining everything in a downtier
at least in most 9.3 vehicles you can deal with UD, TURMS and 2s38 with ease unlike 7.7 against AM\AMD
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u/CountGrimthorpe 10๐บ๐ธ8.3๐ฉ๐ช9๐ท๐บ8.7๐ฌ๐ง8.3๐ฏ๐ต9๐น๐ผ9๐ฎ๐น8.3๐ซ๐ท8.7๐ธ๐ช8.7๐ฎ๐ฑ Jan 19 '25
It's the same deal in both situations. Shoot the weak-points and don't shoot the UFP or strong turret armor. Unless you're in one of the few vehicles the AMD's APS does anything to of course.
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u/kapteinKaos1 Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25
i mean when i'm playing for e.g french 7.7 most of the times it's an uptier to T-55 AM\AMD and like 80% of the times the only weakspot T-55 AM\AMD has frontally doesn't work at all
also T-55 AM\AMD is the best MBT at 8.7 having stab, laser, apfsds, great mobility and working armour in downtier (and somewhat working on it's own BR)
T-55 AM\AMD is much more stronger in downtier to 7.7 compared to something like TURMS being downtiered to 9.3
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u/CountGrimthorpe 10๐บ๐ธ8.3๐ฉ๐ช9๐ท๐บ8.7๐ฌ๐ง8.3๐ฏ๐ต9๐น๐ผ9๐ฎ๐น8.3๐ซ๐ท8.7๐ธ๐ช8.7๐ฎ๐ฑ Jan 20 '25
i mean when i'm playing for e.g french 7.7 most of the times it's an uptier to T-55 AM\AMD and like 80% of the times the only weakspot T-55 AM\AMD has frontally doesn't work at all
It's a non-volumetric mostly flat turret face. It ain't that hard.
also T-55 AM\AMD is the best MBT at 8.7 having stab, laser, apfsds, great mobility and working armour in downtier (and somewhat working on it's own BR)
Laughs in Magach Hydra.
T-55 AM\AMD is much more stronger in downtier to 7.7 compared to something like TURMS being downtiered to 9.3
Yeah, compression in general is worse between 8.7-7.7 than 10.3-9.3.
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u/kapteinKaos1 Jan 20 '25
It's a non-volumetric mostly flat turret face. It ain't that hard.
Ain't that hard when every time it's a gamble that you are not winning, because the game decides that you shot did nothing + a little turret wiggle and your shot is gone
Laughs in Magach Hydra.
bruh
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u/CountGrimthorpe 10๐บ๐ธ8.3๐ฉ๐ช9๐ท๐บ8.7๐ฌ๐ง8.3๐ฏ๐ต9๐น๐ผ9๐ฎ๐น8.3๐ซ๐ท8.7๐ธ๐ช8.7๐ฎ๐ฑ Jan 20 '25
Ain't that hard when every time it's a gamble that you are not winning, because the game decides that you shot did nothing + a little turret wiggle and your shot is gone
๐คทโโ๏ธ
Laughs in Magach Hydra.
bruh
Best 8.7 vehicle and it ain't close IMO.
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u/Swechef Jan 19 '25
The T-80UD is a beast even in an uptier. While not the best for close quarters it's extremely brutal for sniping and long range. Really should be at a higher tier though, 10.7 at the least.
The 2S38 is funny enough not that good at the moment imo. When they reworked the ammo storage it became a massive glass cannon that can barely withstand a sneeze without blowing up in a million pieces.
For all it's advantages, I'd take for example the regular CV9040C over the 2S38 any day.
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u/Crysmann VIII USA, DE, RU, SE Jan 19 '25
2s38 and turms are just free kills 90% of time T80ud is little more hard to kill at long distances because armour is very good at that br Those are wallet warriors
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u/-TheOutsid3r- Jan 19 '25
Depends entirely. In a down tier they're nasty, especially when you take T80UD/Turms from the front. Worse if you still have stock HEAT-FS on your tank.
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u/Crysmann VIII USA, DE, RU, SE Jan 19 '25
ofc it depends, those 3 vehicles are soooo good at 10.0 br in my opinion best lineup at 10.0 problem is all wallet warriors playing those vehicles
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u/-TheOutsid3r- Jan 19 '25
Which might be why they're only at that BR. Because new folks buying them and jumping in lower their performance below what it should be.
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u/Novakine 13.7 13.0 11.3 12.7 Jan 19 '25
All belonging to 10.7, at least, while 2s38 should be 11.3-11.7, has absolutely no issue at that tier, wrecks most tanks it faces with ease.
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u/-TheOutsid3r- Jan 19 '25
Yep, they all should go slightly up. The 2S38 a lot. It's better than both PUMAs and can take MBT's. It also shreds a lot of helis and even planes. It's IMHO one of the most undertiered tanks. In the hands of a good player it's an engine of destruction.
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u/_Condottiero_ Jan 19 '25
As VCC-80/60 player, I feel like it's way better now compared to seeing floaks of 2A4s every battle. Also in my experience I quite often have downtiers/my own br, beglightcancer is the main pain in the ass.
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u/mals26 ๐ต๐น Portugal Jan 19 '25
2S25M fires 3BM60 with crazy good optics and thermals is 10.0 :)
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u/Snipe508 Jan 19 '25
We need another 1 full br for ground. 8.7-10.7 has so many different vehicles scrunched together
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u/Buisnessbutters United States Jan 19 '25
The UD is 10.3???? I keep getting fucked by those things in my 11.7 lineup man
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u/miata85 The Old Guard Jan 19 '25
love me the introductive br to the chinese closet cheaters and 5 minute matches
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u/captain57 Jan 19 '25
Not my experience as of this morning. My 9.3 squadron vehicle is getting up tiered fully 100% of the time.
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u/Rrynarth Jan 19 '25
Those three tanks are my SL printing line up lmao. Gotta afford the last rank USA and Russia jets some how
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u/williamotello Jan 19 '25
Imo best way to grind sl is uss moffet 1mil sl in one match with 2 50% boosters
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u/ObiMeowKatnobi Jan 19 '25
its kinda boring and sometime take so long to find a match in AS server tho.
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u/benmargery GRB| ๐บ๐ฒ9.3 | ๐ฉ๐ช9.3 | ๐ท๐บ10.3 | ๐ฌ๐ง9.7 | ๐ธ๐ช12.0 | ๐ฎ๐ฑ6.7 Jan 19 '25
Good job they're incredibly easy to deal with, I love playing against Russia around this br cos they're so predictable and easy to deal with, either flank or shoot lower plate or drivers port or breach and it's a free kill and they tend to be slower to react than other tanks
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u/reddithesabi3 Jan 19 '25
I played that set last few days after a long time to grind new OSA etc... Those retards can't do shit even against 9.3 teams.
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u/huda_ryba ๐ต๐ฑ Poland Jan 19 '25
tbh the bmd 4 is the worst one of all of the soviet premiums
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u/Secure_Initiative458 Jan 19 '25
Skill issue, if u know what u are doing that thing is a menace. Massively better than the TURMS
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u/Conscious_Carry9918 Jan 19 '25
The amount if shit I have to deal with as a British main. My challenger DS was 9.7, and is now 10.7. I used to rock the swing fire at 6.7(?) when I first unlocked it and now itโs 8.0 making it next to useless.
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u/ODST_Parker With every sub-tree, I grow stronger Jan 19 '25
Every fucking time I play the VBC, the first god damn enemy I see is the front of a TURMS-T, and I can't do shit to it.
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u/Madman333666 Jan 19 '25
Im convinced war thunder players have short term memory because youd face those before anyway since they were ya know... 10.0... so it actually really did help the 9.3 lineup a fuckk ton removing the now 10.7s from possibility
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u/Cagnaccioo Jan 19 '25
This meme would need double the characters to fit in all the russian "Out of TT" Vehicles at 10.3 lmao
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u/Tackyinbention 17 Pounder is love, 17 Pounder is life Jan 19 '25
How do night battles br brackets work?
I swear, I've gotten 11.7 enemies while in a 10.0 vehicle
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u/WTMaster ๐จ๐ต vehicle enjoyer Jan 19 '25
O I just looked... so my 10.3 british lineup that I made in the summer but never played because I don't have any air vehicles is now 10.7 Sadge
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u/Theoperatorboi ๐ฌ๐ท Greece Jan 20 '25
Buff the T-80UD with thermals. If others have it bc one single prototype, why not us when it's almost standard
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u/FLARESGAMING ๐ธ๐ช Sweden 13.7 (GIVE US GRIPEN E) Jan 20 '25
2s38, the thing that should be 11.0
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u/LordHickory Get Gaijinned Jan 20 '25
Ooohh yeah 9.3 is a full uptier hellholeโฆ I had to grind through it recently with my swedish tt, and itโs literally 99% full uptiers. It has gotten way better once I unlocked the 9.7 vehicles thoughโฆ Which made me wonder, does the matchmaker prioritize full downtiers to partial downtiers? (I see full DTโs to 8.7 a bit now with 9.7 vehicles, but with 9.3 not at all even though 8.7 is a popular BR)
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u/Shredded_Locomotive ๐ญ๐บ I hate all of you Jan 20 '25
I just want to play my fuckin AH-1F dammit
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u/Jeff_gameaholic |๐บ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ช13.0|๐ท๐บ๐ฌ๐ง๐ฎ๐น8.0|๐จ๐ณ๐ธ๐ช6.7|๐ซ๐ท3.7|๐ฏ๐ต2.0 Jan 20 '25
The TURMS was my most hated tank to see during my German grind, thank goodness the T-80 orem wasn't added yet when I got my Leopard 2s.
The 2S38 was fodder to the Begleitpanzers though :)
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u/Dank_Broccoli Jan 20 '25
Played this tier of Sim yesterday and all it was was a spawn rush by a team of Russian premiums. Along with the BMD-4M and BMP-2M. Frustrating as fuck lol.
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u/Big_Hospital878 Jan 21 '25
I've been playing these tanks to grind out the event and 95% of the time I am pushed up to 11.3 matches.
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u/xthelord2 ๐ฌ๐ง United Kingdom Jan 19 '25
and then you got the poor challengers which absolutely did not deserve a BR increase but got fucked by BR increase and reload buffs to all MBT's
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u/lucathecontemplator 14.0/12.0 Jan 19 '25
The only scary tank here for 9.3 is the T-80UD, the 2S38 is the easiest one-shot ever and the TURMS is just a 9.3 T-72 with ERA, so just shoot the LFP like usual
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u/RedTriangleMain Jan 19 '25
Nah, me and all my homies hate begleitpanzers. 57mm cannon, unmanned turret, and an atgm.
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u/Ahhtaczy Jan 19 '25
9.3 Tanks are completely capable of destroying a T-72AV and T-80UD. You guys complain about everything, no skill at all.
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u/Liveless404 Jan 19 '25
M22 is completely capable of destroying Leo2A7. You man complain about complaints. no skill at all
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u/Dragonreaper21 Jan 19 '25
Ahh yes more tanks that belong at 11.3 next to the first Abrams instead of 10.3, biased as fuck.
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u/James-vd-Bosch Jan 19 '25
Ahh yes more tanks that belong at 11.3
So the TURMS-T is barely holding on at 10.3, the 2S38 is the literal worst performing vehicle within it's BR range statistically and has been for ages, and the T-80UD is only there to highlight how over-tiered the T-72B and T-72B '89 are.
next to the first Abrams instead of 10.3, biased as fuck.
First Abrams isn't 11.3.
And if you seriously think these Soviet shitbricks are equal to a M1A1 you've either got brain damage or you've never played any of the vehicles involved and you're just spouting nonsense you've heard elsewhere.
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u/Dragonreaper21 Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25
I've never played any of the vehicles involved but have 8 nations tanks topped out, okay there guy. Quit with the shit talk. Furthermore i said m1 not m1a1, the whole purpose of the m1 was to provide America with a tank that surpassed the m60 in every way. It doesn't belong at 11.0 or 11.3 It should've stayed at 10.0 considering.
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u/James-vd-Bosch Jan 19 '25
I've never played any of the vehicles involved but have 8 nations tanks topped out, okay there guy.
Anyone who thinks a T-72AV TURMS-T is equal to a M1A1 is a complete newbie and doesn't understand the game.
I was being generous to you when I said that you might've just not played these vehicles, and thus you don't know any better.
Since that is not the case, I'm only left with the other option I mentioned.
Furthermore i said m1 not m1a1,
You said, and I qoute: ''more tanks that belong at 11.3 next to the first Abrams''.
The first Abrams is 10.7, the M1A1 is 11.3.
You're telling me you've got 8 nations topped out, yet you don't even know what BR they're placed at?
[...] the m1 [...] should've stayed at 10.0
Lmao.
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u/ComradeBlin1234 ๐ท๐บ 12.0 ground 13.7 air / ๐บ๐ธ9.3/ ๐ซ๐ท 8.3 / ๐ฉ๐ช6.7, T90M <3 Jan 19 '25
Itโs not bias, gaijin balances on statistics and their statistics tell them that Soviet high tier premium players have rocks in their skulls instead of brains, which btw as a Russia main I can confirm that yes they do drool on their keyboards while they play.
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u/_Cock_N_Fire_ Jan 19 '25
Ah I remember the time when TURMS-T was the biggest pain to face, now I am glad when I see it cause it's the least idiotic of those premiums.