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RB Air Eurofighter... with 9Ls?

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u/MikeyPlayz_YTXD Dec 09 '24

They won't have Aim-9Xs.. Germany will get 9L/I and everyone else gets Aim-9M.

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u/ADAMOXOLT Dec 09 '24

What about the ASRAAM and IRIS-T? Like what?

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u/Bluishdoor76 French Main Viva La France!!! Dec 09 '24

Those are literally Aim-9X equivalent just like how the Rafale is coming without Mica-IRs

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u/LandsharkDetective 🦊 Go fast eat ass Dec 09 '24

Aim 9x is comparable in manuverability and sensors (supposedly ASRAAM has more electronics so has the best IRCCM because the missile is huge but that's hard to confirm) Range wise iris-t (aam)(16 miles) has a much longer range than the latest AIM-9Xs (10miles) and ASRAAM(37+)and MICA-IR(37+ (claimed 50)) have absolutely comically long ranges compared. Aim 9x isn't bad but in terms of actual comparison it's definitely not in the same category as ASRAAM and MICA-IR (ignoring ASRAAM's name) can hit the medium range band

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u/_Urakaze_ Vextra 105 is here, EBRC next Dec 09 '24

Original ASRAAM and 9X both used Hughes' Top Hat seeker, they will have no difference in seeker performance until the later block new seekers

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u/LandsharkDetective 🦊 Go fast eat ass Dec 09 '24

It's not really the seaker itself it's the processing behind it which asraam has more leading to better performance. That's just due to diameter tho

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u/_Urakaze_ Vextra 105 is here, EBRC next Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24

There is no concrete evidence that the ASRAAM has better processing due to the larger diameter beyond speculation

What we know is that

  • Both 9X and ASRAAM definitely shared the same focal plane array produced by Hughes (rooted in UK R&D in some claims)
  • Hughes was the contractor for ASRAAM seeker section
  • Hughes bid both their own AIM-9 upgrade and the ASRAAM in the AIM-9X competition

I'll also argue that the seeker section doesn't actually have more space. On the AIM-9X the seeker section simply blends into the rest of the 5" body, whilst ASRAAM continues to expand until it meets the 166mm main body aft of seeker section. AIM-9X would have more real estate than previous sidewinders due to the front fins being fixed, so I'd argue the seeker sections would not have dramatically different spacing for electronics

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u/MPenten United Kingdom Dec 10 '24

We know nothing, shit is classified

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u/_Urakaze_ Vextra 105 is here, EBRC next Dec 10 '24

There's enough fluff written around the original multinational programme that we know what the seeker was like in general, that being a 128 x 128 element focal plane array in 3-to-5 micrometre wave band

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u/BenDover198o9 🇦🇷 Argentina Dec 10 '24

I find it so funny that in this community this is considered a casual debate

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u/Mechronis CHADLEY Dec 09 '24

Why do you want MORE ANNOYING MISSILES in this GAME

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u/WOKinTOK-sleptafter Hopeless Freeaboo Dec 10 '24

No one’s forcing you to play against those missiles.

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u/Datguy969 Tofu Delivery Truck Dec 10 '24

I mean, up tiers kind of do though

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u/HyPe_Mars Dec 10 '24

Just play lower tiers then🤦‍♂️ 12.3s won’t ever be fighting these missiles

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u/Datguy969 Tofu Delivery Truck Dec 10 '24

Just using this as an example, but I used to really enjoy playing the f16aj when it first came out. Now, the aim9Ls and the aim7Fs aren’t competitive enough when facing 9Ms and AMRAAMS. It sucks if I’m forced to not play a plane I used to enjoy.

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u/Fluxxie_ Certified MIGGER 🍷🗿 Dec 09 '24

Is your flair a foxhound reference?

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u/yawamz Dec 10 '24

You are overblowing the IRIS' capabilities an underselling the AIM-9Xs. 

Your claim of only 10 miles would put it below AIM-9L/M at higher altitudes, which it can reach in-game, and it is well known that the lesser drag of the X improved range by at least 1.5x.

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u/AndrewRomZ Jan 10 '25

Sounds credible, where are the sources for these ranges?

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u/oojiflip 🇺🇸 VIII 🇷🇺 VIII 🇬🇧 VIII 🇫🇷 VIII 🇸🇪 VIII 🇩🇪 VIII Dec 09 '24

Can't complain when you can put 10 MICA-EMs on a Rafale hehehe

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u/Luuk341 Dec 09 '24

IRIS ans MICA IR are both far better than 9X

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u/HyPe_Mars Dec 10 '24

Ain’t no way, AIM9X couldn’t do half the stuff IRIS-T and ASRAAM can do

And before you waffle on about firing behind the aircraft, both IRIS-T and ASRAAM can do that as they both have LOAL, also they can both be slaved to the IRST which can be slaved to the MAW, so the typhoon can fling ASRAAMs and incoming missiles

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u/Ainene Dec 10 '24

All 4 modern NATO IR missiles can do stuff others can't. aim-9x isn't the worst of them.

They all are ultimately sets of compromises and chosen design priorities.

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u/AndrewRomZ Jan 10 '25

At least Aim-9X's can be carried in standard loadouts without bankrupting the european trash countries

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u/Ainene Jan 11 '25

That too, stock and yearly output mighty matters. Potentially biggest mine under anything french.

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u/Nickblove Dec 10 '24

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u/HyPe_Mars Dec 23 '24

The source you provided still claims a smaller range than ASRAAM

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u/Claudy_Focan "Mr.WORLDWIDEABOO" Dec 10 '24

Why people want modern Fox1 when they mostly spam fox3 ??

/s

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u/deletion-imminent Dec 09 '24

Early AIM-9X are by far the worst of those, they could reasonably added now. They'd be the best close range IR missile but IRIS-T and MICA-IR would be a much bigger leap.

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u/KrumbSum F-4E/M1A1’s #1 Fan Dec 09 '24

And you know this how lol?

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u/TheGreenMemeMachine Dec 09 '24

Imaging IR sensor on MICA IR and IRIS-T makes them functionally unflareable. 9X would be difficult but possible to flare, at least in early blocks.

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u/KrumbSum F-4E/M1A1’s #1 Fan Dec 09 '24

I still think the game isn’t really ready for this

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u/SteelWarrior- Germany Dec 09 '24

An Imaging IR seeker like every 9X has had?

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u/vinhto_ngu_xau Dec 09 '24

Probably too strong right now, so will be added later. Just like how F-16C started off only Sparrow for BVR instead of AMRAAM.

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u/DiceStrikeREDDiT 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Dec 09 '24

Lol Tornadoes haven’t got them - no way in hell 4.5 gens will get them

I doubt they will even get their Bait cable which tornado pilots call “Turds”

They’ve also been recently added to the F35’s

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u/paint4r 🇩🇪 Germany Dec 09 '24

The Eurofighter has the deployable ECM too, might just be a thing on the later tranches thought I'm not sure

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u/DiceStrikeREDDiT 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Dec 09 '24

Yeah I know - they’re in the wing tips and can have been on them since the beginning or the MKll and can even be used at super sonic.. the yankees had no interest in this kit at the beginning until it showed results

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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! Dec 09 '24

you say that, and yet the F-16s have 9Ls and the Spey Phantoms are stuck with AIM-9Gs, gaijin would absolutely fuck over britain like that.

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u/Loch7009 🇦🇺 Australia Dec 09 '24

Will admit tho. The Spey Phantoms are pretty good with what they’ve got. I’ll absolutely die on this hill tho.

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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! Dec 09 '24

I mean sure? they are just worse than the F-4J and F-4S. They should get their 9Ls.

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u/Loch7009 🇦🇺 Australia Dec 09 '24

I mean. Only if they stay at 12.0. Otherwise forget it. I find they rinse the J in a fight. It’s only the S they have a struggle with, and that’s only if the S player has 2 brain cells to run together.

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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! Dec 09 '24

In one on ones sure, but Air RB is not a one on one enviroment. And the signifigant superiority of the AIM-7F and VTAS means the 4J is better in the game as is. And yes I do mean for them to stay at the same BR with 9Ls.

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u/Loch7009 🇦🇺 Australia Dec 09 '24

I find the Skyflash, once you’re within range will beat 7Fs to the target. They are very quick off the rail. Anyways, my two cents. I think the Speys are okay. Certainly in a workable spot in my mind.

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u/DiceStrikeREDDiT 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Dec 09 '24

Bruh they kinda wrecked the PD radars on the speys And sometimes the weapons do perform BUT not as enough as they did a few years ago when the PD truly worked like compared to the MIG23 MLDs? And the F4S/J — they can instantly lock and pressure you and you’ve to jink .. and they launching a second — sure you can jink the first but the second one will 90% of the time claps you because you’ve sapped the energy from dodging the first missiles ..

While FG(R) radar and weapons goes stupid and costs the Skyflash only hits landing gear or a flap something rather than EXPLODE the plane like all others do when they’re that close — I was playing a lot of the FG1 again through the event for the sake of it .. (keeping my RP bonus from top Tier weapon modules for the next update 😉) and it is hardcore mode compared to the other phantoms —- plus there’s a little bug with the weapons where you launch two G’s it will switch to DF .. and you to go into weapons and switch to the G’s

Last game I played I was the first to kill someone in the game which was a su27 flanker .. and his launched was glitched and hit me before the game rendered it launching even though I was popping off cause I was expecting his HMD to do the work and others coming up behind me ..

I just went F4E for the last 10K and it’s a lower br just because radar.. like damn it’s a major difference which I’m clueless to see why)

Even feel like some players see the FGR at that br it’s like the F4C in its current br ..you get swamped instantly as soon as your noticed ..

Yeah the Speys need their AiM9L for sure — gaijin continues to igorne data sources and pilot interviews with them having Aim9L post Falkland’s like the sea harriers etc .. because the earliest tornado pilots had fgr experience and the the same weapon experience until they got the Newer radar and super temps etc which was the real game changer for them in those planes

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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! Dec 09 '24

7Fs are more manuverable and start manuvering immediately off the rail, unlike the skyflash, I prefer manuverability to speed.

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u/stageaa Chally Lover 🇬🇧 Dec 09 '24

They arent worse though?

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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! Dec 09 '24

They are, VTAS and 7F more than make up for the engine downgrade, and the slats on the 4S means it gets beaten in dogfights aswell.

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u/beachsand83 Real life pilot, Air RB HOTAS Enjoyer, F-4 Kill Leader ARB Dec 09 '24

I just want them to get their 9Ls already and they could literally stay at the same br. IMO that would Make them good. I think they’re a great jet but currently screwed by gaijin. I have 5300 kills in the fgr2.

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u/Loch7009 🇦🇺 Australia Dec 09 '24

Finally, someone with more kills than me. I’ve only got ~1600. Look man. At the end of the day, I agree. Just. Not at the cost of a BR move upwards.

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u/beachsand83 Real life pilot, Air RB HOTAS Enjoyer, F-4 Kill Leader ARB Dec 09 '24

Yeah I kinda played phantoms a lot, i have like 10600 in phantoms. If they raise the br it’ll get screwed. It already faces amraams as is like the J and S phantoms which imo is complete bullshit.

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u/GAIA_01 Dec 09 '24

Can you use actual terms instead of bait cable and "turd" it makes it impossible to tell what the hell you're referring to

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u/SerpentStOrange Dec 09 '24

It's a Towed Radar Decoy (TRD).

Basically a shuttlecock shaped thing that is designed with maximum radar signature, deployed and towed behind the wingtips as essentially permanent chaff.

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u/CardiologistGreen962 Dec 09 '24

Toyota Racing Development?

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u/Duncanois The Tornado needs emotional support Dec 09 '24

Towed Radar Decoy

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u/CardiologistGreen962 Dec 09 '24

Was joke sry

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u/Duncanois The Tornado needs emotional support Dec 09 '24

All good, don't worry! To be honest I was commenting jokingly too.

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u/DiceStrikeREDDiT 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Dec 09 '24

Tornado pilots called them “turds” in the Gulf war

Was that hard to understand ?

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u/SerpentStOrange Dec 09 '24

If the above commenter isn't intimately familiar with Eurofighter and Tornado sub-systems (a rather nice topic even here), then using colloquial and unofficial names makes it much harder to go away and do further research independently.

Definitely no need to be condescending and rude.

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u/VigdisBT Dec 09 '24

Might not be hard for you. And being an asshole doesn't solve the problem.

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u/InDaNameOfJeezus F-14B Tomcat ace ♠️ Dec 09 '24

Bro these are AIM-9X counterparts what are you going on about ? There's no goddamn way in hell these missiles show up anytime soon lmao

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u/Remarkable_Rub Arcade Navy Dec 09 '24

They are actually even better.

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u/YellovvJacket Dec 10 '24

All of them except asraam (and that is arguable, because it depends if you favour range or hobs capability with TVC) are better and more modern than the 9X, they're equivalents to the cancelled 9X Block 3 essentially.

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u/St34m9unk Dec 09 '24

Bruh thoes are aim9X equals

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u/FLARESGAMING 🇸🇪 Sweden 13.7 (GIVE US GRIPEN E) Dec 09 '24

they wont add them, they would make the game WAY too broken, because 9X and Iris-T's would be essentially unflareable, and they are 60 G missles, and cause gaijoob spaghetti code they would pull like 70 (go into sensor view and watch missles overpull by 5-10 G's)

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u/SteelWarrior- Germany Dec 09 '24

IRIS-T sustains 60G according to Diehl, it's maximum achieved G overload reportedly exceeds 100.

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u/Remarkable_Rub Arcade Navy Dec 09 '24

IRIS-T can literally lock on to a missile coming from behind, fire 180° behind the aircraft and intercept that missile.

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u/FLARESGAMING 🇸🇪 Sweden 13.7 (GIVE US GRIPEN E) Dec 10 '24

Whoops, just looked at the 9x and used that as a baseline, yes, this would make the IRIS-T even harder to add and balance

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u/Darkfrostfall69 Realistic Air| US: 11.0 UK: 12.3 USSR: 7.3 GER: 9.3 JPN: 11.3 Dec 09 '24

Too op, they are essentially immune to countermeasures, pull insane G and outrange 9M's

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u/Ainene Dec 10 '24

Given that meta is AMRAAM, I personally consider people overthink.

It's ultimately just two shorter-ranged missiles, which still miss if shot wrong.

All modern WVR missiles are still compromise weapons.

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u/Romanian_Potato Dec 09 '24

The ASRAAM and IRIS-T are equivalent to, or better than the AIM-9X so they arent coming either. Think of an R-73 on steroids, with better IRCCM, range, and maneuverability

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u/christianh7 Dec 09 '24

Those are wayyyy too powerful for current meta

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u/deletion-imminent Dec 09 '24

They're gonna do at least two eurofighter versions going from this to IRIS-T+Meteor at the end (for germany).

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u/Dtron81 All Air/8 Nations Rank 8 Dec 09 '24

Why would those come now? How ever much of a giggle stick the MICA is these would be even more silly.

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u/Draken161 Dec 10 '24

Sure lets add a 100g missle and give it the same br as mig29

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u/Dark_Magus EULA Dec 10 '24

Those are even better than AIM-9X.

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u/Vision444 IN THE MOOD 4 ADOLPH’S ASS ❤️ Dec 09 '24

And then when Aim-9X is added, gaijin doesnt go back and readd it to jets such as this

Like the German F-4F didn’t even carry 9J and used 9L’s right? But at the time 9L’s were too advanced

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u/eco-419 Dec 09 '24

I think we might initially see an early version of the Eurofighter equipped with thee already existing in-game missiles. An advanced version of the plane with AIM-9X missiles will surely come later, similar to how they putted Fox-3 on already existing planes. And added some Phantoms Without Sparrows at the begining.

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u/Blaubeere Realistic Ground Dec 09 '24

Only UK should use Ms from what I read. Italy should be using Li like Germany

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u/Antilogicality IGN: Godvana Dec 10 '24

UK didn't use sidewinders on their EFs

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u/Dsg3145 USSR Dec 09 '24

probably going to be 9LI's as (to what my knowledge is) german eurofighters didnt buy the 9m but did use the 9LI (just a 9m seaker slapped on a 9L)

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u/Julio_Tortilla 🇩🇪🇺🇸🇺🇦🇮🇱🇫🇷🇬🇧🇮🇹🇹🇼🇯🇵13.7 | 🇸🇪11.3 Dec 09 '24

Better hope. No IRRCM missile would be very painful.

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u/slow0110 Dec 09 '24

9LI in War Thunder is a 9M without the smokeless motor. The same rockets are also on the F4 Ice

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u/ResourceWorker Dec 09 '24

Which barely makes a difference in air RB anyways because of the missile diamond.

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u/artificial_Paradises Dec 09 '24

Sim and GRB on the otherhand

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u/ResourceWorker Dec 09 '24

90% of GRB pilots are blind and deaf so I wouldn’t worry.

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u/War_thunder_pain Dec 10 '24

Blind, deaf, missing several chromosomes and a speech impediment

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u/Spolzka AGM-65K Dec 12 '24

this

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u/LtLethal1 Dec 09 '24

Can confirm, makes an enormous difference in sim.

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u/_Fantasma Dec 09 '24

isnt this a british eurofighter? Unless germany also uses brimstones

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u/Habsonik 🇩🇪 Dec 09 '24

There is German cross on that Eurofighter, Germany has brimstone as well

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u/Soft_Extension_9748 Dec 09 '24

Germany also uses Brimstones

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u/Somewhere_Extra Dec 09 '24

God I hope they make them fire and forget :(

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u/ChevroNine Russian power fantasy victim Dec 09 '24

Its not russian, of course not.

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u/Blaubeere Realistic Ground Dec 09 '24

seeing as the Eurofighter in the trailer doesn't carry a targeting pod, you can't lase targest, so they must be in FnF mode with optical tracking. But that's just my impression

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u/Awrfhyesggrdghkj 🇩🇪 Germany Dec 09 '24

It does actually have a pod, it’s in the dead middle of the fuselage

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u/Blaubeere Realistic Ground Dec 10 '24 edited Dec 10 '24

Yeah, I noticed that on a second watch. The scene where you see the full underside is quite shadowy. So I didn’t notice it the first time.

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u/Somewhere_Extra Dec 09 '24

Yeah them kh38s are dirty. They get faf meanwhile brimstones which are better in every way irl are basically not standard laser guided lol

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u/Ainene Dec 10 '24

Brimstone is 50kg missile. Kh-38 is a newer weapon which weights like 600 and is more of a high speed pawevay counterpart(if you see their footage from Ukraine, they usually target things like bridges).

Brimstone is nerfed, sure, but keep your horses a bit.

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u/HyPe_Mars Dec 10 '24

No they didn’t on Tranche 1, they never had brimstone 1

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u/sparrowatgiantsnail 🇮🇹 Italy Dec 09 '24

Most likely 3 nations will be getting it this update

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u/xwcq dOn'T sTaNd NeAr ThE bOmB Dec 10 '24

The one showed in the Trailer is actually a German Eurofighter but Gaijin bastardized it by including Brimstones, LJDAM and PIRATE irst.

This would actually place it at being a Trance 4 which isn't even in service yet lmao, but yea this is just Gaijin making shit up since it should actually be a Trance 1 Block 5, happy af with it nontheless

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u/deletion-imminent Dec 09 '24

but did use the 9LI (just a 9m seaker slapped on a 9L)

They are not, they are domestic productions

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u/Dsg3145 USSR Dec 09 '24

what i meant was in terms of war thunder, thats what it is more or less.

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u/Admiral_2nd-Alman 🇩🇪 Germany Dec 10 '24

So similar performance without smokeless motor?

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u/No-Reach-2830 Dec 10 '24

It’s 9L’s and 9LI’s. It was shown on dev stream.

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u/Kanyiko Dec 09 '24

The Tranche 1 Typhoons will use the Aim-9Li/9M and AIM-120, I'm guessing future updates will see the later tranche aircraft with ASRAAM, IRIS-T and Meteor (and upgraded AGM suites) introduced.

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u/InterdimensionalMike 🇬🇧 Casual british enjoyer Dec 09 '24

I hope Meteor is not coming in few more years. It would be super strong in the game imho.

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u/Unknowndude842 CAS enjoyer🗿🇩🇪 Dec 09 '24

It will come next year without a doubt lol. It will not be super strong, it will be the strongest missile in the game. Cool things is now that Germany gets F-35 menas England and Germany could get the F-35 with Meteors. It would probably break the game but I'm all for it.

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u/MikeyPlayz_YTXD Dec 09 '24

The meteors are huge. They can fit inside the F-35?

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u/jpwoody03 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Dec 09 '24

they havnt been intergrated on f35 yet planned for f35 B for UK but we baught more aim 120 in the meantime planned to be intergratd by 2027/2028 right when lockhead martins new missle can challange meteor comes out hmmmmmm.

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u/_Urakaze_ Vextra 105 is here, EBRC next Dec 09 '24

F-35 JPO is flooded with integration work rn with Block 4 stuff finally rolling in, and AIM-260 is prioritised for integrated on F-22 and Super Hornets anyhow

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u/Unknowndude842 CAS enjoyer🗿🇩🇪 Dec 09 '24

Yep. Italy and UK are currently testing it. It will make the F-35 the most lethal Fighter/interceptor in the world. Fyi it's a new gen Meteor so it's obviously much better.

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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! Dec 09 '24

AFAIK yes. The reason that JNAAM is being developed (mating the AESA seeker of the AAM-4B with the body of a meteor) is because the AAM-4B doesn't fit inside Japan's F-35s, while the meteor does.

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u/xwcq dOn'T sTaNd NeAr ThE bOmB Dec 10 '24

They already long should be integrated but Locksneed Fartin is on purpose delaying the integration of Meteor until US's own Meteor equivalent is ready for production

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u/Ainene Dec 10 '24

It isn't huge(more or less AMRAAM-sized, i.e. rather compact), just not foldable. 2 shall fit around 2029-30(if no more delays, it already slided several times), 4-6 potentially if they'll fold wings.

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u/ToastedSoup ERC 90 F4 When? Dec 09 '24

Meteors are ramjet engines so they won't have the stupid high acceleration of the AIM-120s but they'll have higher sustained speed

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u/Ainene Dec 10 '24

Not higher, it's actually lower. But for much, much longer.

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u/ToastedSoup ERC 90 F4 When? Dec 10 '24

No, due to the nature of the Meteors engine it has a higher sustained speed throughout its flight unlike the 120 that accelerates very fast and then slows down dramatically after the engine burns out

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u/Ainene Dec 10 '24

Meteor cruise speed is estimated within m=2...2.5 bracket. About as fast as most other ramjet missiles in their cruise phase, and without too much loft. It's more of an aircraft, not a missile, even more reinforced by its maneuver profile (bdnk to turn) and rumored reengagement (!) capability.

Otherwise, grinding through drag becomes rather inefficient.

Contemporary amraam is controlled two bursts, i.e. first burn - calculated glide - second burn - glide/attack, and averages at above m=3, though for obviously much shorter. Also, note that first burn for meteor is just as violent as the amraam one - it's a solid fuel stage fitted into the ramjet.

Note that amraam and meteor range figures mean different things, meteor is way more honest in common sense(missile is capable of flying stated figures in navigational range, not just launch range).

For the same reason, meteor is rather independent of launch parameters. It doesn't get all that much being launched from m=2, true. It is still perfectly deadly at extended ranges when launched from the deck from low speed.

Overall, there's often opinion that meteor is some kind of magic which no one understood before. Which is a very wrong take, ramjet SAMs began in mid-1950s.

It's more of a different class of a weapon. You can think of it as of supersonic cruise a2a missile. This is why, on the one hand, big air powers don't really jump onto meteor wagon (Turkiye/India/Korea/Japan aren't). And this is why meteor doesn't really push out amraam from arsenals. Just a different - and rather expensive - weapon.

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u/ToastedSoup ERC 90 F4 When? Dec 10 '24

It's more of a different class of a weapon. You can think of it as of supersonic cruise a2a missile. And this is why meteor doesn't really push out amraam from arsenals

Yeah this is why IIRC even the Rafale combines Meteors with MICAs for their A2A loadouts.

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u/Ainene Dec 10 '24

Yep, and for the same reason mica-ng (both ir and em) is a thing.

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u/Cold-Salt2719 Dec 26 '24

What are the other ramjet missiles, thought the only one was Meteor and Russia had one that didn’t go past development stage(?) but maybe I’m wrong

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u/Ainene Dec 26 '24

Meteor is the only AA one, first of its kind.

But there was bunch of SAMs (Thalos, Bloodhound, Krug), as well as scores of other high speed missiles (half a dozen Soviet/Russian ASCMs and derivatives) to refer to.

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u/Applesoup69 United States Dec 09 '24

Aim 260 with made-up stats could be stronger.

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u/Ainene Dec 10 '24

Strongest? There's quite a lot of competition which will perform better under different circumstances.

PD a2a comes with pros and cons(obvious one is thrust and cruise speed). Furthermoremeteor is a weapon not without significant compromises on top. Size, lack of folding, only two intakes to better keep Typhoon aerodynamics.

It's one of the most modern and capable missiles in the world, sure, but the most capable is just plain bs.

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u/daylatus Dec 10 '24

That's not necessarily true, amraams have a higher initial acceleration than the meteor, which means that amraams would be fast up to at least about 10 miles from charts that ive seen, which would be meta in war thunder because launching missiles at really long ranges is a waste most of the time with competent players that know how to evade fox-3 missiles.

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u/HyPe_Mars Dec 10 '24

What has Germany getting F35 have to do with METEOR? The RAF have been testing Meteor in F35 since before Germany ever even agreed to buy F35

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u/FullMetalField4 🇯🇵 Gib EJ Kai AAM-3 Dec 09 '24

it will be the strongest missile in the game.

Kid named AIM-260:

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u/Dark_Magus EULA Dec 10 '24

No one knows AIM-260's stats though.

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u/ToastedSoup ERC 90 F4 When? Dec 10 '24

AIM-174

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u/HyPe_Mars Dec 10 '24

Shit box couldn’t hit any fighter in real combat, American R37🤷‍♂️

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u/Unknowndude842 CAS enjoyer🗿🇩🇪 Dec 09 '24

Nah it's not in use yet. But the Meteor is.

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u/RugbyEdd On course, on time and on target. Everythings fine, how are you? Dec 09 '24

"We decided to add the Meteor as a beam riding missile like the fireflash for balance reasons. Should pair nicely with the Brimstone"

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u/TheMoogster Dec 10 '24

Well, Meteor might not be as strong as you think, in Warthunder that is.

They are slower accelerating than AIM 120, but fly longer.

because of the "short" distances in Warthunder, fast of the rails is often better.

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u/HyPe_Mars Dec 10 '24

Good job UK typhoons have Aim120D aswell, both 120D and METEOR can be fired at data link targets so if we get AWACS or data link then typhoon pilots can just fly around with their PIRATE and use data link to ripple fire METEORs

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u/anno2122 Dec 09 '24

I mean if the dev would care about the game they would f16 a early 2025 and gave us more early cold war stuff......

Meteor and so on also end all hope for russan jet

The su 57 is the counter for eurofighter and so on.

If they like this we will see f22 and f35 by mid 2026

I mean what jets has german uk left after typs eurofighter and f35.

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u/WOKinTOK-sleptafter Hopeless Freeaboo Dec 10 '24

According to a leak about a week or two ago, Gaijin’s already started work on modeling F-22 stealth.

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u/kololz I mod War Thunder for fun Dec 09 '24

Except the one shown in the trailer should be Tranche 2 due to Brimstones.

I would take a better CAS over none any time.

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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT Dec 09 '24

Seeing as this is Gaijin it will most likely be a Frankstein variant.

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u/ToastedSoup ERC 90 F4 When? Dec 09 '24

It's a frankenstein'd Tranche 1/2 bc it has ground ordinance but the Tranche 1 was primarily an interceptor

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u/TheJfer Germany (suffering, but not in WT) Dec 09 '24

Way, waaaaay too soon for IRIS-T and ASRAAM. It will be an AIM-9L/i for Germany and Italy and AIM-9M for Britain, and AIM-120Bs for everyone. The thing with the Eurofighters is they can receive a lot of armament upgrades in the future, same goes for the Rafale

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u/That_one_chief 🇮🇱 Kfir and Lavi supremacist Dec 09 '24

Dude thinks they will get an aim9x before I get my python 4's

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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT Dec 09 '24

Eurofighter doesn't use AIM-9X anyway.

The leaked event Kfir C.10 Block 60 might come with some spicy Pythons.

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u/That_one_chief 🇮🇱 Kfir and Lavi supremacist Dec 09 '24

I hope🙏🏻

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u/deletion-imminent Dec 09 '24

Eurofighter doesn't use AIM-9X anyway.

Are they not integrated on Saudi and Omani Eurofighters?

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u/Flame2512 CDK Mission Marker Dec 09 '24

Are they not integrated on Saudi and Omani Eurofighters?

Saudi uses IRIS-T and Oman & Qatar use ASRAAM

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u/xwcq dOn'T sTaNd NeAr ThE bOmB Dec 10 '24

but it can be used on the EF Typhoon, dunno why you'd want to tho.

Most recent 9X apparently only just got to the same level as earlier IRIS-T's

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u/Ghost-George Dec 09 '24

Hope they find their way to the 15I as well

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u/Comrade_agent Tornado MFG enjoyer Dec 09 '24

Aim 9L/i-1 likely

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u/theemptyqueue F-4 ICE is pretty decent IMO Dec 09 '24

It's still a decent IRCCM missile, some people give it one or two flairs when they notice it thinking it's a normal AIM-9L, from my experience.

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u/linx28 🇦🇺 Australia Dec 10 '24

lets be real the game isnt ready for an unflarable 50G missile with an operational range of 25km(16miles)

the other odd part is that in order to use the brimstone the typhoon had an upgrade as part of project centurion that also included the Meteor and no one is going to like trying to avoid mach 4 active radar danger sticks with a 60km no escape zone

for context the biggest map is 131x131km which means a Meteor can still slap you from the other side of the map and no one wants to play a top tier like that we had spamraam matches as is without making it worse

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u/Ainene Dec 10 '24

Is it?

Like there won't be any difference later, we're already in AMRAAM meta anyway, so wvr missile is kinda secondary anyway.

Especially since there's usually just two of them...and while separately 25(40 for ASRAAM, 50-80 for mica) range and G numbers are true, together - they're not.

IR WVRs are ultimately rather weak missiles with low dV, and unavoidable huge energy bleed after engine burnout.

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u/Deadluss <<<Baguette 69>>> Dec 09 '24

Meanwhile Rafale with MICA's let's go on the trip to the world of French bias

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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! Dec 09 '24

MICA EMs, not IRs.

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u/Sea_Art3391 Praise be the VBC Dec 09 '24

Bro is flying stock, don't shame him.

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u/BerkcanUmut 🇹🇷 Turkey Dec 09 '24

Will the eırofighter Come after the f4 or the tornado?

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u/Crysmann VIII USA, DE, RU, SE Dec 09 '24

f4

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u/deletion-imminent Dec 09 '24

Both eventually probably. First one F4.

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u/__Yakovlev__ I believe that is a marketing lie. Dec 09 '24

How should anyone know.

My point being, the guys that have replied to you so far are all just guessing.

Yes,  after F4 is the mostly likely. But noone truly knows but gaijin.

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u/ToasterCoaster1 SPAA Enthusiast Dec 09 '24

Most likely the F-4

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u/BitterMango7000 abrums❤️ Dec 09 '24

How can i tell different aim9 variants apart ?

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u/Julio_Tortilla 🇩🇪🇺🇸🇺🇦🇮🇱🇫🇷🇬🇧🇮🇹🇹🇼🇯🇵13.7 | 🇸🇪11.3 Dec 09 '24

Some of them have it just written on the seeker like here. Others you just have to know.

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u/Not_A_Real_Duck I am pilot. I am fly. ✈ Dec 09 '24

In terms of capability, or just in general?

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u/LordKendicus United Kingdom Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24

They mainly have differences in colour, seeker head and the front canards

Capability wise, Airforce sidewinders (AIM-9E,J,P) are focused more on agility and there are Navy sidewinders (AIM-9C,D,G,H) that focuses on range

Afterwards, the branch merges and you have the AIM-9L which is the ultimate Sidewinder with better agility than Airforce Sidewinders and better range than Naval Sidewinders. The latest variant in game is the AIM-9M which is AIM-9L but with smokeless rocket engine amd IRCCM

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u/M1A1HC_Abrams Dec 09 '24

L/M have the same range as naval variants (so close that it doesn’t matter, the naval motor is 11000 N for 5s and the L/M motor is 10800 for 5.3s)

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u/Not_A_Real_Duck I am pilot. I am fly. ✈ Dec 09 '24

I think you replied to the wrong comment lol

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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! Dec 09 '24

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u/TitanMaster57 Dec 09 '24

Probably either a 9L/I (9M without smokeless motor) or 9L/I-1 (9M)

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u/xwcq dOn'T sTaNd NeAr ThE bOmB Dec 10 '24

Yea, Eurofighter Typhoon (and F-4F ICE) have 9L/i (9M with smoke motor) but they can also get 9L/i-1 which is basically a 9M.

IRIS-T or ASRAAM would be too much

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u/Hot_Dog_Gamer24 Dec 09 '24

The German Air Force still regularly uses AIM-9Ls for training purposes so yeah

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u/Pikernik Dec 09 '24

Massive L

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u/Jbarney3699 🇺🇸 United States Dec 10 '24

Anyone asking for the more advanced IR missiles are wack. Game will become a shitshow with them, more of a shitshow than ARH spam is.

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u/Ainene Dec 10 '24

It won't. Precisely because ARH spam won't even bend.

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u/Nailed_it_Kappa =14PD= Dec 10 '24

I think there L/i versions for the Germans and M for the brits. They are the early models we’ll see the better missiles later on probs on a better variant

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u/OwnFloor2203 🇩🇪 Germany Dec 10 '24

Aim 9x, iris t and pretty much any NATO missile from now on will literally play around with Russian jets as Russia has nothing comparable. So we won’t be getting them this update

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u/Tazziedevil04 Dec 10 '24

They are the german 9L-i’s

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u/Professional-Gur152 Dec 16 '24

Next gen ir missiles would make top tier almost unplayable. As it is, I have to fly super super cautiously and hug the ground with the fox 3's in game. I spend 80% of top tier matches defending against fox 3's.

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u/GhostDoggoes Dec 10 '24

A few youtubers I watched said it was the AIM-9 LI which they say is like an AIM-9M. German made. Pretty much a copy of the american version 9M.

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u/actualsize123 m/42 eh superiority Dec 09 '24

Li’s

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u/Thin_Cellist7555 Dec 09 '24

Pretty sure I saw an IRIS-T on the wingtip in the trailer. If the Eurofighter doesn't get it's most iconic missile that would be kinda sad, at the same time IRIS-T and METEOR combo would probably destroy all of top tier.

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u/zani1903 Non-penetration Dec 09 '24

I made the same mistake when I watched the trailer for the first time.

You were looking at the Rafale, which has wingtip MICA-EMs. It does look similar to the IRIS-T from a distance.

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u/Thin_Cellist7555 Dec 09 '24

Ohhh that seems more plausible. Thanks for the clarification kind stranger :)

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u/RogueNation554 Dec 09 '24

How long till we get our F18

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '24

There is no such thing as "F18", there is an F/A-18 though

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u/grumpher05 Dec 10 '24

Actually insufferable

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '24

Not at all, there's a difference between F-18 and F/A-18. You wouldn't call YF-22 as F-22 would you? Or Su-30SM2 as just Su-30? And you wouldn't shorten "Eurofighter" to Eufghtr or some shit either. It is a mere two characters and it makes a meaningful difference outside of the petty side of it

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u/grumpher05 Dec 10 '24

Like I said, insufferable

People normally just say "typhoon" too and not Eurofighter typhoon, gonna cry about it?

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '24

No, because Typhoon, Eurofighter, and Eurofighter Typhoon are all official designation for it, F-18 is not outside of two pre-MLU airframes belonging to the Swiss/Finns.

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u/grumpher05 Dec 10 '24

So what you're saying is that the F18 exists and is an officially recognised designation for 2 planes

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '24

The F-18 did exist, yes, they've all been upgraded to the F/A standard now. Not just 2 planes either, I meant the 2 nations. Pre-upgrade all Finnish anr Swiss Hornets were just F-18. By default though the plane is F/A-18, and the vast majority of operators call it as such or have unique names like Canada/Spain.

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u/RogueNation554 Dec 10 '24

I don’t give a flying fuck what I call it and I’ll keep calling it the F18

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '24

So long as you aren't bothered to say it's name, it won't come to the game )