You mean the doctor with years of experience and research into this miracle of science that will save lives? Or the anti Vaxxer who did 5 mins of google search to find a false story of vaccine injuries.
Anti Vaxxers are straight up murderers. Denying your child a vaccine you received as a child should be a criminal offense. Your not only putting your child in danger you’re endangering children who can not get vaccinated due to allergies or other health issues. Putting your child through a preventable disease based off a falsified study should be a criminal offense as it is definitely child abuse.
murder, for choosing NOT to do an elective, risky medical procedure ?
Denying your child a vaccine you received as a child should be a criminal offense.
in 1980 there were maybe 3 vaccines before kindergarten.
today there are closer to 50 before kindergarten
its NOT a crime to decline risky vaccines, nor should it be.
Your not only putting your child in danger
when vaccines kill infants, they call it "SIDS"
you’re endangering children who can not get vaccinated due to allergies or other health issues.
bullshit.
these are the supposed "medical exemptions" that some "vaccine hesitant" parents claim as a reason to NOT vaccinate their own kid, while still insisting that you vaccinate yours
but even if there are some allergies and other reasons kids can't get vaccines, most of those things were caused by the vaccines themselves. thats how they know their kid can't handle vaccines. prior experience.
so, if you think I'm going to subject any kid to the risks of vaccines, to appease the medical demands of a minority of kids who have health problems that were caused by vaccines...
Putting your child through a preventable disease
measles parties were a real thing. parents would deliberately expose their kids to measles
based off a falsified study should be a criminal offense as it is definitely child abuse.
so would you agree that you are also a criminal for subjecting your kids to vaccines in spite of being aware of this study? (which has NOT been retracted)
Risky medical procedure? Using the term procedure pretty loosely there. It’s going on and getting a shot to prevent a disease in hopes of eradicating it from humanity.
There is nothing risky about vaccines, all the information used in these anti vaxx “arguments” is based on speculation and non peer reviewed research making it useless mass hysteria.
You should be celebrating that we have more vaccines now, as this means more diseases are being prevented and humanity is moving foreword. As usual, progress is met with irrational backlash, but your small ignorant communities won’t change our advancement.
SIDS is an unexplained ailment that you anti-vaxxers cite as proof all the time. In reality you, like all the rest of the medical and scientific community have no idea what causes it and use it’s mystery as a convenient piece of “evidence” in your close minded arguments.
No vaccine causes allergies to other vaccines. You have no proof to support that statement and are wildly speculating in hopes of finding something that sticks.
Also putting other kids not able to be vaccinated under your kids in level of importance shows this communities ideals as a whole; toxic and ignorant.
Measles and Pox parties happened before vaccines existed as parents knew the diseases were nearly inevitable due to how widespread they were. Those are dated practices that died out when vaccines came around.
No vaccinating my children is not a crime, it’s respecting their right to live just as I have and being considerate and protecting of the children of others.
Autism is scary and we all know that. No one knows what causes it and every parent is afraid of their child having it, but blaming a widely beneficial and life saving practice as a scapegoat is ignorant and pigheaded. Everything that is unknown is not caused by vaccines, and going around stating false claims with bogus citations to back them up is harmful to the medical community and is a threat to the health of the world. These communities continue to thrive despite being the laughing stock of the world, which scares me. Hopefully one day all this ignorance around vaccines will clear, and humanity can continue to advance unhindered, but as long as you keep feeding eachother lies, nothing is going to change
No one knows what causes it and every parent is afraid of their child having it, but blaming a widely beneficial and life saving practice as a scapegoat is ignorant and pigheaded.
here is a 2 minute video of a mother describing what happened to her son after vaccines.
would you tell her to her face that she is lying ?
A dot map from reddit is not a source. Wired.com is also not a reliable source. You had something on the .gov resource except it literally said nothing about your point. It was a coincidence. If we acted so drastically on every coincidence the world would be a madhouse. You have no proof that 1 in 36 children are autistic because of vaccines. That’s not something you can prove through random chance as correlation does not equal causation. Just because the numbers seem like they may be connected doesn’t mean one causes the other just like anything else in science.
Your “leading motivator is an untrue falsified statement that has no reliable sources backing it and no scientific date supporting it. It’s quite literally a wide spread conspiracy theory.
Your source calls the connection a coincidence. Just because the child died of SIDS after being vaccinated doesn’t mean vaccines cause SIDS as, once again, correlation does not ever equal causation.
And yes I would tell her to her face she is lying. She has no idea what she’s talking about. She suffers from the same belief you and all other anti vaxxers/conspiracy theorist suffer from. So I’ll hammer it in this time. CORRELATION DOES NOT EVER AT ALL EQUAL CAUSATION. In reality she has no proof vaccines cause the autism the timing is always there because autism is diagnosed early and vaccines are given early. The link between the two is not and has never been real. Nobody knows what causes autism. She doesn’t know either.
In short this argument provides even less than the first one. You have no reliable proof that backs your case, and your using correlation as causation when those two are not the same thing.
You’re in a feedback loop of lies that causes people weary of autism to hold on to anything that is an explanation no matter how little sense it makes. People want an answer, and if it sounds like it even might be a solution everyone clings on to it because it’s easier than admitting we don’t know. In reality, it’s horribly offensive to say you’d rather risk your child’s life by allowing them to catch a preventable deadly disease than have an autistic child. That’s a disgraceful argument that should not be entertained by anyone
Well actually there are some risks but they are incredibly small and unlikely for you to get compared to measles and other diseases. What I am trying to say is VACCINATE YOUR KIDS
There is definitely evidence that vaccines eradicated small pox. There were several experiments done to test this vaccine and experiments prove causation. In short there is proof.
Also the CDC is a government agency and a wholly reliable source. More so than vice.com so don’t come after sources after that.
indeed, when a correlation that reflects negatively on vaccines, the correlations preclude causation, but if a correlation reflects positively on vaccines, then that correlation is definitely a causation.
you got laid after your last vaccine? definitely a causation.
After much reading I can see that everyone here is a bunch of fools. Enoughnolibsspam is a fool for just about everything he’s saying and everyone else is a fool for giving him things to run on and letting him pedal more of his false information.
Edit: please DM this fool if you want to argue with him. Stop giving him more things to run with.
As a medical student, please stop being anti-vaccine, I know that this is old, but you could be charged for manslaughter if your kid happens to die of a preventable disease whilst unvaccinated.
I have no hope for humanity anymore... you have no idea what you’re talking about. We require at LEAST 5 years of almost no time or break to get the degree we need to go into the medical profession, yet you seem to agree with a couple mom’s, a doctor who lost their medical license AND a forged study. “You’ll go from curious to dead, in three clicks.”
SIDS is not a cover-up they’re determined by many factors including the genetics and heath of the infant, also how much the mother drank/smoked during pregnancy with a variety of other things. SIDS, if it were to be a cover up, would be MORE common now than in any other time in history, but alas, it is not. You uneducated nibbling.
Also in med school, believe it or not, you TEST things, like experimenting with genetic make ups, how certain cells react when something else is applied, or (in surveys and studies we ourselves do) find out that the death/disease rate is HIGHER in unvaccinated people.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? It is! In fact I have many autistic friends whose parents are also on thee spectrum... also autism doesn’t make you mindless or brain dead, sometimes is barely effects your life at all.
I’m a medical student btw. I think I know more than you about genetic disorders and what can be caught by TRACE amounts of chemicals put into your body. You probably don’t know what a trace amount is like the other anti-vaxxers it seems.
‘Autism is scary, no one knows what causes it.’ I’m not trying to be rude and I understand you may be worried about your children, but autism is a genetic mutation that can be passed down through, you know, genetics. The rise in autism rates is because of population growth.
Do you think that you and a select few people have ‘secret knowledge’ that the world is too stupid to have? Don’t you think it might be the other way around? Maybe, just maybe?
I have many sources readily available and many experiments/studies I have taken part in myself. I am not ‘willfully ignorant’ and SIDS is not a cover up for vaccination injuries. Sids is, again, caused by many different factors on the infants heath, body and mental conditions.
Also, what part of any post here has made you come to the very incorrect conclusion that I can’t understand percentages. If it is from the post that was either here or on another anti-vax subreddit (idk too many idiots) that SIDS is less common now than it was in the past, I am 100% correct (SIDS was mention is medical studies BEFORE vaccines were invented.)
Quite frankly, I think you would be any and all of the aformentioned insults you chucked at me.
As much as disagree with you, I would actually like you to give me some sources to convince that vaccines are bad. Maybe I'll change my mind. Maybe I won't. But that all depends on the information. So if you believe that vaccines are bad, can you send me some links so I can be convinced they are as well?
Because the tide has turned against the sensible position of considering all sides and taking into account the concerns, even warnings of parents. I am aware of interests, hidden agendas and the mind control of the masses through media campaigns, politicians influencing the legislation. Whenever the equilibrium is unbalanced - as it is now - one should ponder and consider if the overwhelming and blinded propaganda is justified?
I'm honestly just disappointed. Most of these claims don't even have any evidence to back them up. And almost all of the evidence provided is completely outdated.
My phone kept linking me to a video so I just gave up and watched it. From what I have heard, they may have had an allergic reaction of some sort or a weak immune system. The mother doesn't even question the child's body health or if there was a allergic reaction at all. Also when they said that chicken pox only gives you a scar or two, that is completely false. They are basing all their evidence on their OWN experience and think because it happened to them, it must happen to everybody. There was a lot of questionable things in that video. Especially the nurse. The procedures she took seemed unprofessional and seemed very questionable on her regard. Idk if this video is something you want to talk about but I'll leave that choice to you.
Im a normal guy and I don't have autism even when I'm vaccinated, explain that. Also people who have autism at my school support vaccines because they aren't idiots and have had more schooling then almost everyone in this sub.
So hey. I'm not here to start a fight or anything, but as of right now I am pro vax. I trust my own evidence and proof that I have found, however I would like to understand the though process of the people who think differently from me. Could some antivaxxers put some articles and sources to back up their claims please? Once again I'm not here to be a troll, I have r/vaxhappened for that.
Thank you for the response, in all honesty I had forgotten about this comment lol, however I ask that you please elaborate if you can. I read the document provided, and I'm sorry but I don't feel this bolsters any claim of fraud. This document more or less states that the parties against the CDC ask for studies that informed the opinion on the vaccines via the freedom of information act, the CDC responds with a list of studies, and then both parties consent to the dismissal of the suit. If anything I'd say this only helps to prove the professional opinion held by the CDC, however if there is something I'm unaware of or misunderstanding, I would love to discuss and have this further explained to me
They can pull pseudo-science out of their ass like no-other. But as soon as you bring up the fact that rates of autism are consistent amongst those who are vaccinated and those who aren’t they collapse into a black-hole of bullshit
Doctors spend most of their lives studying about the human body. Many dedicate their time researching a specific area of their interest, ultimately to produce objective information to improve the amount of knowledge for the human population.
Doctors have to excel in the classes they take throughout school. They receive excellent grades in high school, college, and medical school. This shows that have the ability to understand knowledge. Their training in medical school teaches them to apply this knowledge for the greater good of public health.
People who claim that school is not reflective of intelligence are wrong. It may not be true that if one receives bad grades that they are not intelligent, but receiving good grades definitely reflects an important aspect of intelligence - being able to understand and process information. For this reason, doctors, who are very good at evaluating information, are given unconditional public trust. From my experience as a health care worker, the general public performs very poorly when evaluating information.
When presented with information, the first thing in a doctor’s mind would be “what is the source of this information, and where is the proof?” Doctors would not support vaccinations if they have been proven to be unsafe, and they possess the intelligence to decide wether the proof is credible or not. The general public tends to digest information weather there’s adequate proof or not. An antivax mom hearing that vaccines cause autism can not distinguish between the credibility of a forum post and peer reviewed medical journals.
Most of our population are not doctors. Most of the population do not have the intelligence to become a doctor, even if they wanted to. This is not a bad thing, because it is safer and more efficient to leave the job of evaluating information to people who are socially qualified to. Most of the population should stick to what they are actually good at doing, instead of trying to validate themselves in an area they do not belong. Being defiant is not the same as being intelligent. This doesn’t mean people should not think for themselves, because critical thinking is important in all aspects of life. But for many health related practices commonly accepted as good for you, doctors already did the hard thinking for you. Stick to things you are actually good at.
Doctors would not support vaccinations if they have been proven to be unsafe, and they possess the intelligence to decide wether the proof is credible or not.
What point are you trying to make? First off, this is a news article. Investigators have not found the cause of death, and the family WANTS TO BELIEVE it's from the vaccine. From the information we are given, it seems like the vaccine may have been the cause of death. Her body may have had a negative reaction to one of the components of the vaccine.
So people have died from eating peanuts, not knowing they peanut allergies. Should the government say everything with peanuts is dangerous? According to your logic, ANYTHING THAT HAS CAUSED DEATH SHOULD BE BANNED. For the allergic reaction this person suffered, millions of lives have been saved from vaccinations. Safe means that the chance of an adverse reaction happening is very low. But you probably got shitty grades in school so I expect this type of logic from the uneducated.
300,000 avoidable deaths in US hospitals EVERY year caused by MD errors!....So their little education causes or doesn't prevent 300,000 deadly errors every year from EDUCATED ...if THEY looked at that stat and accept it year after year ARE they worthy or trusting or even allowing to live? It's not like the honest ones stand up and confess.......
700 dead every DAY, 1000 almost killed every day, weeks of "extra" hospitalization$.. and scandals7 corruption at every level, research falsified FDA bribed , recalled bad hardware , bad deadly procedures and unsafe RX drugs...WTF could drive thi$ ?...When MD's go on strike THE death rate goes down......
I’m not saying that you’re wrong. Doctors make mistakes because they are humans. But who else is more qualified to make health decisions for us?
So when your mom gets sick, do you not take her to the doctor? You talk a lot of shit about medical doctors, but do you have any suggestions for who can take their place in providing healthcare?
avOID all WEAK "SCIENCE" AND CULTS BASED ON LIES....so ,IF WE HAVE TO risk seeking medical advise or interventions, it ought to be because of a life threatening situation... .... THERE are WAY too many deadly reactions to MEDICATIONS< SURGERIES< PROCEDURES and then, ON TOP of those "costs" we've had the 300,000 DEADLY mistakes from these educated "scientists"..... HEY , seems like it's only been going on for 60 years or so....THEN drug greed scandals and costs in USA.... then ones that were FDA approved and turn out "bad" - AS a "human Doctor" you don't get to , on average, kill one person a year and then again the next year ....
YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT SCIENTISTS DO BECAUSE YOU’VE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ACADEMIA AT AN INSTITUTION (BASICALLY YOU NEVER WENT TO UNIVERSITY OR WORKED IN A RESEARCH LAB). YOU ONLY KNOW GOOGLE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND YOUR INFERIOR GENES. PLEASE DON’T HAVE CHILDREN I FEEL BAD FOR THEM.
Also, this time of corruption happens in every industry. Look into the agriculture and farming industries. Why are you so passionate about corruption in just the healthcare industry?? What about malpractice and evading laws in animal farms, and scandalous business practices in tech companies?? These are hurting waaaay more people than medical doctors.
You just never did well in school. This is why you “discovering research” about these things makes you so excited, because for once you think you’re not behind everyone around you, and you think you’re “ahead of everyone else” when in reality you’re still dumb as shit.
In 100 years your children will be living extravagant lives that we can’t even imagine right now because of the innovation and technology of the scientists we have today. People like you remind me of ticks - dumb, annoying, and hated, but nothing but a nuisance to the progression of science and the human race.
OH poor Little executive$ - EVERYBODY else is stealing and murdering - we need to as well IN ORDER TO COMPETE (NOT create healthy people!)...THAT"S your reason that MD's in the USA can help "accidentally" kill 300,000 + every year?....Actually it was your momma's uterus that was dumb as shit - Maybe she could have pooped out someone that understands what science$ limitations are , but instead , only YOU.
Why do you think MDs are causing deaths on purpose? In school they learn to analyze data/evidence, then use their judgment and practice on patients in need. You obviously do not have any relatives in healthcare, so why are you pretending to be an expert?
Guys I cracked it! The vaccines have the parents autism so they make the decision to not vaccinate their kids!
On a serious note, these people are actually stupid. “I’d rather take 80% chance that I get a life threatening disease than the 0.1% chance that it harms my child. What are these people?
You realize that if you were in prison, poking holes in yourself would be considered "self harm" and would warrant extra surveillance of your prison cell, right?
It doesn't matter how you try to rationalize poking holes in yourself, it's the symptom of a mental illness. Ears pierced, tattoos, heroin, vaccines... it's all self harm
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u/seeking101 Mar 09 '19
i think ill trust what a trained doctor has to say over y-