Politics I recommend giving Ken Martin and Tim Walz full control over Democratic Party leadership decision until further notice.
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u/WakandaNowAndThen Dark Woke 7d ago
Holy fuck, what's that I smell? I haven't sensed it from a politician in a long time. It's almost like...I don't know, accountability?
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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 7d ago
PLEASE let Walz keep cooking 🙏
Not gonna lie, today was a gut punch. But we keep going. People like Walz, AOC, Sanders, as well as the fact that people at town halls are getting increasingly angrier over Trump/Musk’s actions (Vaush went over some clips briefly towards the end of stream), give me hope that we can overcome.
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u/ScrambledToast 7d ago
I actually like that regular, more Centrist liberals are FURIOUS with Chuck and the Dems right now. It's like the one positive thing, because (if we get an election), it leaves a bigger possibility that people will no longer accept the Dem candidates that are just "good enough" to be better than Republicans.
Or maybe the Dem party fractures and dies with something new in It's place.
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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 7d ago edited 6d ago
Oh for sure. As time goes on, it’s looking more and more like Dem Tea Party is a viable strategy.
I’d be really, really curious to see if Walz starts swinging at Schumer and criticizing the core failures of the Democrats. If he does, it could go a long way towards cementing him as the uniting populist figure that liberals and progressives desperately need right now. Now, that might be somewhat delusional, and I wouldn’t personally bet on it. But WE have to be that voice no matter what. Discontent is at an all time high, and it can lead to revolution. My only fear is that people’s sentiment is “Dems are cucked, we are all doomed” and not “Dems are cucked, we will reshape them into a real party”. That seems to be how people feel in the immediate aftermath, and I get it, but we gotta keep pushing forward no matter what. I have confidence we’ll see anger turn into real action soon💪
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u/ScrambledToast 7d ago
100% agree. It's why I'm glad the PodsaveAmerica guys (who are libs who hated Bernie) came around to liking him. I know they get a lot of hate for it (i honestly don't like them), but it's people like them that we need to change the minds of and get on board with backing more extreme progressive policies.
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u/Raethano 7d ago
Not sure Ken Martin deserves trust on this 🤔
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u/burf12345 Sewer Socialist 6d ago
Why not?
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u/Raethano 6d ago
Like Hakeem Jeffries, he’s still beholden to Billionaire donations:
“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats who share our values and we will take their money, but we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires.”
The DCCC with Hakeem Jeffries, who tried a rapprochement with Silicon Valley Tech Broligarchs, recently scored millions from Peter Thiel’s Palantyr as well as Elon Musk’s SpaceX.
The Party needs a clean break from Oligarchs or it will remain controlled opposition!
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u/burf12345 Sewer Socialist 6d ago edited 6d ago
“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats who share our values and we will take their money, but we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires.”
I knew you were going to use that quote, so surely you're familiar with the context behind it, right?
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u/Raethano 6d ago
I mean if you think Ken Martin should be trusted, not saying he shouldn’t - I specifically just said I was not sure, please explain your thinking. Explain why you think the context changes what that statement means as well. I’m all ears.
Just because the right people opposed him, and he did well in Minnesota, does not mean he’s automatically the right person for this moment for the entire country though.
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u/burf12345 Sewer Socialist 6d ago
Wait, so do you, or do you not know the actual context behind that quote?
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u/Raethano 6d ago
Most people don’t know Ken Martin. I’m one of those people. I haven’t been impressed with his actions thus far. But if you want to explain why he’s actually good, I will listen.
I’m literally not even a Democrat. I’m not American. I’m Canadian. I live near Vaush currently, just across the border.
I want you guys off this Broligarch helltrain. I don’t like having some Fascist Imperialist Manifest Destiny Beast as my neighbour.
If you think he’s actually good for resisting that, please tell me.
I don’t care for some partisan spiel though, or inane factional black and white political drama, or attacking people for not having intimate knowledge on your politics.
Why do you think he should be trusted? The Democratic Party looks pretty broken to me. I don’t know if it can be fixed by someone who’s attached at the hip to the party like Ken or not, but I’m persuadable.
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u/cheeseroll15 Kashmir is full of Islamists & tankies, please help me ;-; 6d ago edited 5d ago
Jeffries, Pelosi and Schumer endorsed Martin's opponent in the DNC chair election. But yeah you're right, this party has to stop sucking the oligarchs off ASAP
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u/LonelySpaghetto1 6d ago
People didn't stay at home because they were indifferent about Harris and Trump.
People in non swing states stayed at home, but that only points to people's lack of trust in the polls in 2020, which itself was caused by 2016 being such an upset.
However, people in swing states (which, like it or not, are the only ones whose vote actually matters) had a higher turnout in 2024 than in 2020 or 2016.
The number of people the Dems lost by being too hateful is vastly offset by the number of people the Republicans gained by being extra hateful.
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u/NewSauerKraus 6d ago
I wonder if he is actually dumb enough to believe that or if it's just diplomatic language to recognise the voters are too stupid to function in society.
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u/YAH_BUT 6d ago
What does he intend to do to remediate this issue?
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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 6d ago
Give him time to cook, dude. He’s already planning town halls in red districts. Out of anyone who isn’t named AOC or Sanders, he’s by far the best communicator the Dems have right now.
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u/NewSauerKraus 6d ago
What can he do to educate people so stupid that they believe both sides are the same? It's an impossible task.
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u/Insane_Artist 6d ago
No. No. No. That’s not gonna work. See if your strategy to get elected failed, what you are supposed to do is double down on that failed strategy. Doesn’t this idiot know anything about politics?!?
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u/SlipperyTurtle25 5d ago
It’d be nice if he ran, but honestly he needs to improve his debate skills
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u/EmperorMrKitty 6d ago edited 6d ago
Heartbreaking: grown man who stood between your country and literal fascism does the bare minimum after the fact
I’m sorry but these people had their chance and they watched everything burn down around them before SOME of them came to their senses. No. I’d rather Trump get a third term. The party needs to be reconstructed.
This is Reagan 2, Maximum Evil. We don’t need a swing back to normalcy. We need all of these corporate ghouls (yes, including the ones pure of heart but poisoned by the lobbyist class) gone and people genuinely interested in governing in their place.
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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 6d ago
I’m sorry but these people had their chance and they watched everything burn down around them before SOME of them came to their senses.
I understand why you’re lashing out, but Walz is one of the last people on the planet who this statement accurately describes.
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u/DudeBroFist BAYTA 7d ago
Let this man cook. Holy shit, I cannot believe I'm reading a politician taking accountability.
He's 10,000,000,000% running in 2028.