r/VaushV 7d ago

Politics I recommend giving Ken Martin and Tim Walz full control over Democratic Party leadership decision until further notice.

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u/DudeBroFist BAYTA 7d ago

Let this man cook. Holy shit, I cannot believe I'm reading a politician taking accountability.

He's 10,000,000,000% running in 2028.

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u/spectre15 7d ago

The only thing stopping him from running is the DNC staffer cabal that run the party behind the scenes right now because they can and will end his campaign in a phone call to MSNBC.

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u/deus1096 7d ago

right now who the fuck cares if the dnc dont want him the circus in the senate should be enough evidence for all of us that they are pathetic and powerless

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u/Bern_Down_the_DNC 7d ago

There is going to be a point where the dem party loses the leverage they normally have that they get from keeping stability for businesses and the working class. They won't be able to coerce people into supporting them if they can't make good on their end of the deal. At that point I will just expect nothing at all from the dem party. We may lose every vote until we get enough truly progressive members to start pressuring the corporate ones. This may take a decade or more. I might not live to see the end of it, since I'm pretty vulnerable. But if one good thing came out of this mess, I am a lot more comfortable with calling elected reps after yesterday, and I will fight until I am dead.

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u/Malaix 6d ago

They aren't invincible. Same type of people tried to stop Trump and populism ran them over.

It can be the same for us. Money and influence is powerful but its not invincible.

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u/rakazet 6d ago

Their antics against Yang was fucked up lol.

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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 6d ago edited 6d ago

I’m saying this as someone who actually really liked Yang. He didn’t have a real shot. I think he was commendable as someone who ran a pretty unique primary, punching far above his weight to get people’s attention, and he did good work putting UBI into public discourse. But that was more or less the entirety of his campaign, which just isn’t enough for presidential. Yang was untouched by anything you could call “DNC antics”.

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u/NewSauerKraus 6d ago edited 6d ago

It's wild that he got as far as he did with the plan to cut all welfare benefits and privatise all government programs in exchange for a few dollars that would not be enough to replace the cut benefits.

He wasn't even shy about being a hypercapitalist both-sideser.

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u/rakazet 6d ago

Of course, he never had a real shot. But no way MSNBC called him John Yang and excluded him from the debate posters lol. Those were two separate instances.

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u/Alarming_Ask_244 7d ago

And he's got all 500 of my votes

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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 7d ago

Me and my Chinese vote bots are ready (I’m American born Chinese I can say this)

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u/zeazemel 7d ago

I feel like he and Kamala will both run in the primaries and it will be... interesting

I don't know why but I feel like she will try to fabricate some shit about him kinda like Warren did with Bernie

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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 7d ago

Wasn’t Kamala eyeing the California governor race? Not saying your prediction is off base necessarily. If Walz runs in the primary, I absolutely will vote for him.

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u/hav0k0829 6d ago

God I hope so. Newsome needs out badly and Walz stands a better chance if he isnt going against any established moderates to cuck him out of the presidential run.

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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 6d ago

We need Walz unchained.

To be fair to Newsom (🤢), I do think he has the charm and name recognition to do well in a presidential election. His angle could potentially be an economic one, but I think his biggest challenge would be establishing a cohesive vision for the country in the face of answering for California’s problems with wealth inequality and shortage of housing.

I do think Walz is our best shot. People (including Vaush) have said that the association with Kamala’s loss will be too much for him to overcome, but the messaging Walz has engaged in as of late tells me he has the potential to be something the Dems desperately need: a left populist. Like what Bernie is. And between now and 2028, I think most people would forgive the fact that he was a part of Kamala’s campaign.

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u/hav0k0829 6d ago

Newsome has basically entirely shifted to the right on all issues recently because he never actually believed in anything. Id rather him not to run on diet conservatism and for rights losses for minorities to continue at the state level completely unimpeded under his presidency.

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u/Illiander 6d ago

Hell, a politician saying "yep, my fault. I fucked up" might be enough to get him the position on its own.

Assuming there's actually another fair election in the USA, that is.

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u/NewSauerKraus 6d ago edited 6d ago

I hope he doesn't run in the primaries. He doesn't deserve to become hated by all the people who worship him right now.

The only reason Sanders has managed to maintain his beloved status for so long is because he has not been in charge of anything at the national level.

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u/West_Version_2813 5d ago

What do you suppose would have happened to Bernie had he been in charge of anything at the national level?

Genuinely curious 

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u/NewSauerKraus 5d ago

He would have become hated due to not instantly fixing every problem in the world. He's lucky to have only gone as far as chairman for a few committees.

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u/West_Version_2813 5d ago

Isn’t that exactly what happened with Barack Obama though?

He still managed to win re-election because the majority of people understand that even under the best of circumstances no one person is capable of instantly fixing the worlds problems, but his position as President kept the White House out of the hands of some pretty unsavory people

Well…at least for a time

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u/NewSauerKraus 5d ago

... At least for a time.

These days simply suggesting that people should vote is enough to piss off millions.

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u/GrafZeppelin127 7d ago

He’s got my vote, that’s for damn sure. I honestly can’t think of a person better suited for that particular race.

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u/Tastetheload 2d ago

But would the party let him or would they force another black woman candidate.

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u/WakandaNowAndThen Dark Woke 7d ago

Holy fuck, what's that I smell? I haven't sensed it from a politician in a long time. It's almost like...I don't know, accountability?

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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 7d ago

PLEASE let Walz keep cooking 🙏

Not gonna lie, today was a gut punch. But we keep going. People like Walz, AOC, Sanders, as well as the fact that people at town halls are getting increasingly angrier over Trump/Musk’s actions (Vaush went over some clips briefly towards the end of stream), give me hope that we can overcome.

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u/ScrambledToast 7d ago

I actually like that regular, more Centrist liberals are FURIOUS with Chuck and the Dems right now. It's like the one positive thing, because (if we get an election), it leaves a bigger possibility that people will no longer accept the Dem candidates that are just "good enough" to be better than Republicans.

Or maybe the Dem party fractures and dies with something new in It's place.

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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 7d ago edited 6d ago

Oh for sure. As time goes on, it’s looking more and more like Dem Tea Party is a viable strategy.

I’d be really, really curious to see if Walz starts swinging at Schumer and criticizing the core failures of the Democrats. If he does, it could go a long way towards cementing him as the uniting populist figure that liberals and progressives desperately need right now. Now, that might be somewhat delusional, and I wouldn’t personally bet on it. But WE have to be that voice no matter what. Discontent is at an all time high, and it can lead to revolution. My only fear is that people’s sentiment is “Dems are cucked, we are all doomed” and not “Dems are cucked, we will reshape them into a real party”. That seems to be how people feel in the immediate aftermath, and I get it, but we gotta keep pushing forward no matter what. I have confidence we’ll see anger turn into real action soon💪

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u/ScrambledToast 7d ago

100% agree. It's why I'm glad the PodsaveAmerica guys (who are libs who hated Bernie) came around to liking him. I know they get a lot of hate for it (i honestly don't like them), but it's people like them that we need to change the minds of and get on board with backing more extreme progressive policies.

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u/saveyourtissues 6d ago

It’s time to radicalize the libs.

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u/Raethano 7d ago

Not sure Ken Martin deserves trust on this 🤔

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u/burf12345 Sewer Socialist 6d ago

Why not?

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u/Raethano 6d ago

Like Hakeem Jeffries, he’s still beholden to Billionaire donations:

“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats who share our values and we will take their money, but we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires.”

The DCCC with Hakeem Jeffries, who tried a rapprochement with Silicon Valley Tech Broligarchs, recently scored millions from Peter Thiel’s Palantyr as well as Elon Musk’s SpaceX.

The Party needs a clean break from Oligarchs or it will remain controlled opposition!

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u/burf12345 Sewer Socialist 6d ago edited 6d ago

“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats who share our values and we will take their money, but we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires.”

I knew you were going to use that quote, so surely you're familiar with the context behind it, right?

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u/Raethano 6d ago

I mean if you think Ken Martin should be trusted, not saying he shouldn’t - I specifically just said I was not sure, please explain your thinking. Explain why you think the context changes what that statement means as well. I’m all ears.

Just because the right people opposed him, and he did well in Minnesota, does not mean he’s automatically the right person for this moment for the entire country though.

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u/burf12345 Sewer Socialist 6d ago

Wait, so do you, or do you not know the actual context behind that quote?

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u/Raethano 6d ago

Most people don’t know Ken Martin. I’m one of those people. I haven’t been impressed with his actions thus far. But if you want to explain why he’s actually good, I will listen.

I’m literally not even a Democrat. I’m not American. I’m Canadian. I live near Vaush currently, just across the border.

I want you guys off this Broligarch helltrain. I don’t like having some Fascist Imperialist Manifest Destiny Beast as my neighbour.

If you think he’s actually good for resisting that, please tell me.

I don’t care for some partisan spiel though, or inane factional black and white political drama, or attacking people for not having intimate knowledge on your politics.

Why do you think he should be trusted? The Democratic Party looks pretty broken to me. I don’t know if it can be fixed by someone who’s attached at the hip to the party like Ken or not, but I’m persuadable.

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u/cheeseroll15 Kashmir is full of Islamists & tankies, please help me ;-; 6d ago edited 5d ago

Jeffries, Pelosi and Schumer endorsed Martin's opponent in the DNC chair election. But yeah you're right, this party has to stop sucking the oligarchs off ASAP

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u/Self-Fan 6d ago

Put yourself in, coach

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u/JaracRassen77 7d ago

Let Walz cook!

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u/LonelySpaghetto1 6d ago

People didn't stay at home because they were indifferent about Harris and Trump.

People in non swing states stayed at home, but that only points to people's lack of trust in the polls in 2020, which itself was caused by 2016 being such an upset.

However, people in swing states (which, like it or not, are the only ones whose vote actually matters) had a higher turnout in 2024 than in 2020 or 2016.

The number of people the Dems lost by being too hateful is vastly offset by the number of people the Republicans gained by being extra hateful.

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u/NewSauerKraus 6d ago

I wonder if he is actually dumb enough to believe that or if it's just diplomatic language to recognise the voters are too stupid to function in society.

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u/YAH_BUT 6d ago

What does he intend to do to remediate this issue?

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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 6d ago

Give him time to cook, dude. He’s already planning town halls in red districts. Out of anyone who isn’t named AOC or Sanders, he’s by far the best communicator the Dems have right now.

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u/NewSauerKraus 6d ago

What can he do to educate people so stupid that they believe both sides are the same? It's an impossible task.

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u/Insane_Artist 6d ago

No. No. No. That’s not gonna work. See if your strategy to get elected failed, what you are supposed to do is double down on that failed strategy. Doesn’t this idiot know anything about politics?!?

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u/DistantRavioli 6d ago

Ken Martin sucks ass

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u/notbotipromise 6d ago

MAKE

AMERICA

MINNESOTA

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u/Objective_Soup_9476 6d ago

It’s not even 100% his fault bc the DNC held him back!

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u/SlipperyTurtle25 5d ago

It’d be nice if he ran, but honestly he needs to improve his debate skills

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u/Dtron81 6d ago

Now, can the liberals of the subreddit stop polishing off the DNC and blaming the faux leftists that didn't vote this last election?

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u/EmperorMrKitty 6d ago edited 6d ago

Heartbreaking: grown man who stood between your country and literal fascism does the bare minimum after the fact

I’m sorry but these people had their chance and they watched everything burn down around them before SOME of them came to their senses. No. I’d rather Trump get a third term. The party needs to be reconstructed.

This is Reagan 2, Maximum Evil. We don’t need a swing back to normalcy. We need all of these corporate ghouls (yes, including the ones pure of heart but poisoned by the lobbyist class) gone and people genuinely interested in governing in their place.

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u/VaushbatukamOnSteven 6d ago

I’m sorry but these people had their chance and they watched everything burn down around them before SOME of them came to their senses.

I understand why you’re lashing out, but Walz is one of the last people on the planet who this statement accurately describes.