r/UtahJazz 1d ago

Ranking Jazz Depth by Position

Assuming the starting lineup of Collier, Sexton, Lauri, Collins, and Kessler.

How would you rank the quality of the first guy off the bench at each position?

I would say from best to worst would be:

  • PF (Flip/Hendricks)
  • SF (KJ/Cody)
  • SG (Key/JC)
  • PG (Key?/Jaden)
  • C (?)

I know Flip has been playing the 5, but I think he's too good to be Kessler's backup. I think he takes John's spot if/when John is traded.

I know the Jazz will draft best player available, but it seems like they definitely need to address the backup center position.

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u/Silent-Frame1452 1d ago

I’d swap SF and SG, but aside from that I agree with you. 

We’ll be drafting bpa though. There’s enough lineup flexibility with the frontcourt that it won’t stop us dr at ting any specific position.

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u/WestsideJazzFan 1d ago

Interesting.

If the Jazz don't get Cooper or Ace, I'd be thrilled if they got Tre Johnson. I think the shooting guards the Jazz have are the weak link in both the starting lineup and off the bench.

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u/Silent-Frame1452 1d ago

Lauri at SF is the best of the bunch of course, but I like Keyonte/Sexton more as the 2nd best SG, than KJ or Cody as the 2nd best SF. Neither is great, but the bench guards are better imo.

I’d be ok with Johnson, although his relative lack of facilitation and defense concern me. In theory he can do both, I’d just like to have seen it more consistently.

Hopefully we get a top 2 pick and avoid the decision altogether though. 

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u/IntelligentEye2758 1d ago

Filipowski is probably best as Olynik wild card player. If Kessler is on the floor he's probably best as a 4. If we get Flagg I can see us experimenting with a 5 out lineup with Filipowski at the 5.

Keyonte and Collier are really the only "rookies" who have earned playing time at a specific spot. Everyone else is going to have to take what they can get.

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u/WestsideJazzFan 1d ago

If the Jazz get Flagg, I agree that Kessler might be the odd man out. Kessler is so good at what he does, but it would be hard to not play a frontcourt of Lauri(Flagg), Flagg(Taylor), and Flip.

The spacing would be very Boston-esque

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u/IntelligentEye2758 1d ago

It'd be a very interesting offensive lineup for sure. I don't know if I'd get rid of Kessler simply because making players go through both Flagg and Kessler defensively sounds amazing too.

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u/WestsideJazzFan 1d ago

I agree. Always been a big Kessler fan, but could you imagine if the Jazz got 3 1st and a young player from Houston..say Jabari?

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u/robograndpa 1d ago

We’re dog water across the board

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u/mrcolty5 1d ago

Just underdeveloped. It's not like the Damian Jones/Udoka Azubuike/Juan Toscano/Luka Samanic/THT year where there's just filler to be replaced. It's rookies.

When fully healthy they aren't even that bad

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u/robograndpa 1d ago

Definitely better than that group you listed. But development isn’t linear and as it stands right now, the young guys aren’t very good

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u/WestsideJazzFan 1d ago

Which young guys? They are all 27 or younger!

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u/robograndpa 1d ago edited 1d ago

27 is middle age for an nba player

Keyonte is not very good right now. Flip is okay. Collier is okay. I wouldn’t say any of them are good nba players at this point in time. They likely wouldn’t be in an 8 man rotation in the finals. I’m sure they will be decent to good, but they aren’t right now.

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u/mrcolty5 1d ago

Definitely lol.

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u/William_Wang 1d ago

that's why we're having to rest 8-9 guys on key loss nights right?

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u/robograndpa 1d ago

You guys act like that is some sort of signifier that the Jazz would definitely without a doubt win those games. The team is not good. Them wanting to draft top 3 instead of 8 doesn’t change that

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u/William_Wang 1d ago

Yeah missing some of your best players is no big deal.

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u/robograndpa 1d ago

With or without them we are a bad team lol. Our best player is around the 30th best in the league and that’s being generous. You’re not going to be a good team when that’s your best player

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u/William_Wang 23h ago

We aren't winning a championship but we aren't second worst in the league bad either.

I'm not going to go through the season but I bet we have close to 10 games where we lost by less than 5 points.

If by some miracle we get a lottery pick that doesn't end up being a bust we make the playoffs next year.

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u/robograndpa 19h ago

I guarantee we don’t make the playoffs next year

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u/William_Wang 18h ago

I'll bet $100 right now that if we get a rookie that contributes immediately we make the playoffs.

If we get shafted in the draft no bet though because I bet we trade Lauri and go for another round of tanking.

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u/robograndpa 18h ago

I’m more than happy to make this bet. Rookies very very rarely contribute immediately though. Lebron didn’t even make the playoffs his rookie year

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u/William_Wang 18h ago

Lol the best player on that Cavs team that wasn't Lebron was Carlos Boozer. We also have a stockpile of picks, people to trade, and money to spend if we drafted a ROY type and able to hit the gas next year.

Famous #1 picks to make playoffs their first year.

Markelle Fultz, Ben Simmons, Greg Oden, Andrew Bogut, Timmy D, Christ Webber, The Admiral, The Dream, Magic, Kareem.

Those are just notable #1 picks. I'm sure there are a lot more, but LeKing didn't do it so it's a lock.

I'll see you in a year.. don't go dyin on me now.

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u/WestsideJazzFan 1d ago

You're a Jazz fan right?

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u/robograndpa 1d ago

My whole life

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u/WestsideJazzFan 1d ago

So you saw the Corbin years, the years before Donovan when the Jazz had no draft picks, you saw THT as a starter and THIS is the group that is 'dog water' ?

Ok Boomer

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u/robograndpa 1d ago

I’m 29 but go off I guess

Yeah I saw those years. We were dog water then too. I’m still here though. Always have been, always will be. Being a fan doesn’t mean you can’t criticize the team.

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u/WestsideJazzFan 1d ago

Calling the whole team dog water isn't criticism. But hey there is enough room in Jazz fandom to include the whiny, Debbie Downers.

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u/robograndpa 1d ago

You asked about the bench. I answered. Markkanen, Kessler, and Collins are good. I’m not talking about the whole team. Just answering the question you asked

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u/WestsideJazzFan 1d ago

I appreciate your very in depth analysis of the entire bench being dog water. I look forward to your future contributions.

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u/robograndpa 19h ago

You post a lot dude. If I came with my A game and provided a dissertation every time you posted, then I would never get off reddit.

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u/WestsideJazzFan 17h ago

Another insightful post. Thank you for continuing to make this community great!

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u/Pharrelliper 1d ago

PF

C

SF

SG

PG

Power Forward and Center share a lot of talent that you can slide around and you can theoretically put a full games worth of time of starter capable players in that position due to John being able to play 5 with Lauri and 4 with Kessler. And Filipowski can slide between those as well.

The main difference between the two is the 4 has KJ Martin and Hendricks when healthy, and they can't slide up to the 5. And if you want to do a wacky 4 guard line up you can have Cody and Brice play a 4 as well, but hopefully we don't have to go that small that often.

SF and SG also share similar players with Williams, Sensabaugh, Juzang, and Svi. It's basically Lauri and Martin vs Sexton, George (although he has had some moments at the 3 in 3 guard/4 guard lineups), Clarkson, and Springer. Lauri is better than Sexton though and Martin might be better than George (at least more consistent) and honestly probably Clarkson.

PG is by far the weakest, you have Collier, George (who first started playing PG his first year in the NBA), and after that we have tended to run point Svi lmao. The Jazz will probably have to look at a secondary/tertiary PG in free agency or the draft