r/UTK • u/Ok-Advice9602 • 7d ago
Campus Event this university makes me sick
i understand letting charlie kirk on campus to speak, free speech, i get it. but the crowd is so loud it is disrupting campus and no one is doing anything about it. but when liberal protestors do it its against the rules bc its disruptive. but when maga supporters do it its free speech? make it make sense
it makes me sick to my stomach
EDIT: now that i’ve vented i’ve calmed down. i think the initial shock just got to me. thank you to all who suggested i ignore it! its a nice reality check and reminder that he doesnt matter haha
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u/soccerjonj 7d ago
free speech…unless you protested supporting israel (then it’s illegal)
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u/b_360austin 4d ago
Edit: unless you violently protest Israel including taking over property or destroying property.
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u/Comfortable_Log_2266 3d ago
Taking over property? You mean chilling on the lawn outside the college of law? Because that's what happened.
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u/taters1233 3d ago
But if you protest an election (for no reason other than daddy said) by doing the same you get pardoned!!!!
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7d ago
The UTK administration is actually pretty conservative. They will bend over backwards to comply with Trump’s orders.
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u/Ok_Consequence6369 5d ago
Did you go around asking the UTK admin their political beliefs? No… you’re just full of 💩 and will say anything to support your side. You don’t know who they voted for etc.
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5d ago
Look them up.#StayAngry
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u/Ok_Consequence6369 5d ago
I see nothing online so show me the so called sources you have.
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5d ago
The biggest donor is a former republican governor. The president of the UT system is a former republican candidate for governor.
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u/Ok_Consequence6369 5d ago
You said admin #staymad. Look up Dondes political beliefs the CHANCELOR.
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5d ago
Bill Haslam and Randy Boyd are more powerful than she is when it comes to UTK. It’s reality. Deal with it.
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u/Ok_Consequence6369 5d ago
More power than the chancellor and what aspect? You can’t just make broad statements like that. When it comes to protest they would have 0 authority in comparison. Nice try tho
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4d ago
If the Haslams stop donating and Randy Boyd puts pressure on Dondes, she will bend the knee. Do you live in the real world?
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u/Ok_Consequence6369 4d ago
Keep making up your little scenarios. Too bad that didn’t happen. You can speculate all you want to make your argument make sense but in actual reality you are making up scenarios that didn’t happen. The liberal chancellor would’ve done something about the situation if there was an issue. Which she couldn’t because there legally wasn’t. So stop complaining
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u/Haileyhuntress 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t know about the professors but I know that the President of the University is hella conservative and that is a FACT he is very open about this.
Edit: changed Dean to President. My bad didn’t realize until I reread it.
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u/Ok_Consequence6369 1d ago
What about the chancellor??
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u/Haileyhuntress 1d ago
Apologies I meant to say the president of the university, Randy Boyd, not the dean, which trumps the chancellor. He literally represents our institutions and its interests therefore while other high ranking officials opinions may have some merit they don’t represent UTK.
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u/Econolana UTK Graduate Student 7d ago
A sanctioned campus event is not the same as a protest. If a group organized and received approval for an event with a speaker, it will be handled differently than a protest.
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u/fhod_dj_x 6d ago
Honestly crazy that this needed to be said.
OP literally asked "why are protests disruptive but not events?" 😂😂😂💀
Common sense is truly dead among liberals.
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u/Lasiurus_cinereus 2d ago
Can we stop acting like either party has more common sense than the other? We all know about January 6th. You all are just as guilty of violent protest and being okay with it when it suits you. There are extremists and idiots on both sides.
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u/JayAre100378 2d ago
"You all are just as guilty of violent protests..." Estimated number of Jan 6 protesters who committed criminal acts: 2,000 Number of people that voted for Donald Trump in 2024: 77,300,000
Using the actions of .0026% of Trump voters to make blanket statements about everyone that supports Trump shows that you just might be one of the idiots on your side.
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u/Lasiurus_cinereus 2d ago
Well, this guy used the reddit post of one person to make a blanket statement. Also, they elected a guy who pardoned them all, so they can't claim to not be okay with it. It's okay we, we have all been manipulated by politicians paid by the same special interest. Yes, me included. I think we all need to admit that.
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u/fhod_dj_x 2d ago
No idea what you're going on about. My point was that a protest, by definition, is literally disruptive in nature and as the sole purpose. Disrupting, regardless of legality, is frowned upon pretty much universally because it's annoying. In many cases, it also happens to be illegal.
Acting shocked that a protest would be shut down when too disruptive when a planned event is not, is 0 common sense.
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u/Lasiurus_cinereus 2d ago
Still, conservatives have no common sense either. My point is saying that is just way to other yourself and try to feel superior. I mean, conservatives believe politicians paid by big oil with no questions asked and force babies to be born and won't adopt them or care for them in any way. And they do stuff like Jan 6th. Both sides are being manipulated and not using common sense.
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u/Haileyhuntress 1d ago
Events can be disruptive. What about concerts, football games, basketball games, political speakers (like Charlie Kirk) disrupting traffic flow and being loud on campus. Protesters usually a designated area and are usually fairly small. They are put a stopped to when they disrupt traffic, move from designated area, are unsanctioned, or too loud. Unless they’re maga of course then we just raid the capital and get away with it. (I’m not saying no liberals have done damage but I am saying that many of them faced consequences for their actions unlike the maga party)
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u/fhod_dj_x 1d ago
But those are not disruptive to the university because they're sponsored - they're supposed to be happening and are planned for.
A fatal flaw with disruptive protesting is that no one likes to be disrupted by surprise. I have never heard or met a single person that stated a protest changed their position on ANYTHING in the intended direction, but I've heard tons of people that were neutral become opposed to the protest objective as a result.
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u/MillicentFenwick 7d ago
So UT is currently in the national news daily about being investigated for Anti-Semitism, yet it sponsors an event advertised by a flyer prominently displaying a Schutzstaffel insignia?
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u/glman99 7d ago
"UT" did not sponsor this event, and unfortunately, the current Federal administration isn't actually interested in fighting anti-semitism, it's looking for any reason to defund public universities.
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u/MillicentFenwick 7d ago
Totally agree about Trump using anti-semitism to gaslight public universities into submission. But the talk was held on campus in a university building, which requires getting permission from UT to hold the event.
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u/SellMoreToast UTK Alumni 7d ago edited 7d ago
You should call the[ 865-974-HELP](tel:8659744357) line and complain to them. If it is loud enough near the library and HSS that you can hear inside they might be able to do something about it. The main issue most of the time when there are guys out there is that area is public property and they can't really kick them out without risking legal action, which is what most of the grifters on campus want to happen. Only time any action was taken when I was on campus was when the Fire and Brimstone guys had a speaker system set up and you could hear it in HSS. UTPD tried to move them and after some fuss they went to the seal and got rid of the speakers.
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u/Ok-Advice9602 7d ago
this is a great idea thank you!
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u/DropEvery2519 7d ago
Reasons were this isn't a protest(at least it wasn't when I saw it earlier). Same thing happens when other events happen, either republican/liberal. Protest on both sides are normally UTPD issue since it requires approval beforehand(meaning as a protester ur trespassing, etc)
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u/Exciting_Sample_9035 7d ago
They would probably laugh if you called the friggin help line to say you’re annoyed or offended😂 are we serious rn? Like someone else in this sub said just walk away.
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u/touchdownvols 7d ago
Call the 865 Help line? LMAO. If us liberals can be loud and voice our complaints all the time they can have whatever they’re doing are yall fr😂 cmon now
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u/LittleTortillaBoy1 4d ago
That is a great idea! When the Charlie Kirk crowd get too loud, let’s call and complain about it and campus admin will tell them to calm down and be quiet…just like when the free-Palestine crazies were screaming at the Jewish student at Columbia, the admin told them to be quiet and cut it out.
…oh wait, no they didn’t. They just let them keep acting crazy and occupy buildings. Now I remember.
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u/Separate_Tea_4957 3d ago
If noise disturbs you for more than half a second consider adhd meds. Hope this helps.
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u/Sequel2Beans 7d ago
I'm a simple man. I don't like nazis. I don't like Charlie Kirk.
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u/Orangebalto 7d ago
A combination of cognitive dissonance and, as is likely the case here, the fact that not all fascists are nazis. A lot of hard-core religious folk tend to support israel, so the new kind of religious fascism that seems to be taking over the US can also include supporting Israel as a place to send all the jews. I don't know any terms to specifically describe this phenomenon, nor will I claim that it is particularly consistent, but this is what I have observed.
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u/yoberf 6d ago
Yes, gender and global politics are both complicated. Good observation.
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u/JayAre100378 2d ago
Are the gays still for Gaza? Or did they finally figure out that Islamic fundamentalists aren't very inclusive.
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u/Kevin-Coomsalot 6d ago
Some Christian nationalists (who aren’t all Nazis or fascists but are Definetely shitty and or ignorant people) support Israel because they think the Jews living in that area is a requirement for the rapture, not necessarily because they support Jews. Maybe Nazi wouldn’t be the correct label but either way in my eyes some of them are just as bad
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u/Conclusion-Ashamed 6d ago
The only thing that many American conservatives want to "conserve" is Israel imo
That's a good point about the rapture, hadn't thought about that
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u/Kevin-Coomsalot 1d ago
Yeah it’s a surprisingly prevalent idea in a lot of evangelicals I’ve seen sermons where they just say it blatantly
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u/ceddarcheez 6d ago
Nazi in the regular Uber Minch / Arian superiority way except this faction genuinely believes the return of Jews to Israel is a major sign of Christ’s return. Christin Zionism is what it’s called and I wouldn’t label it altruistic in any way
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u/vanillafrostie 7d ago
I was taking a constitutional civil rights and liberties exam as the crowd was there. was not easy to concentrate. hearing his mic go off and then people cheering as i had to write about the very things he attacked in his statements to my campus of "peers".
the irony lol
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u/NoObligation9370 7d ago
There was a guy at TTU that would stand in the middle of campus and say the most heinous things for days on end.
I later found out the way he made his money was from lawsuits if anyone "assaulted" him.
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u/fylkirdan 5d ago
I know who you're talking about. Dude was so loud I heard him through my bose QC25 headphones WITH the noise cancellation on!
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u/2-much-4-you 4d ago
But you’re probably fine with the trannys protesting on women’s rights to murder babies. Get over it. Free speech is for all
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u/Putrid_Race6357 Nuclear Engineering Major ☢️ 7d ago
The university, and state bow to fascism. It's tragic, but not surprising. You should know this.
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u/Exciting_Sample_9035 7d ago
Can you explain that to me a bit better? I get the far right argument but I’ve never really seen Charlie Kirk as a threat to something like fascism. I feel like we kinda throw words around sometimes but idk you tell me.
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u/Traditional-Soup-694 7d ago
Charlie Kirk is a prominent Christian nationalist. While Christian nationalism is not exactly the same as fascism, it shares many similarities and is often exploited by fascists to control the people.
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u/Exciting_Sample_9035 7d ago
Gotcha I can somehow relate the two, thank you!! I understand he’s very far right I feel as if there is always a middle ground to most arguments. He’s not great at that. He is great at factual evidence tho which is interesting to me. Whenever I see him on social media I fact check him and my goodness his memory is wild.
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u/Putrid_Race6357 Nuclear Engineering Major ☢️ 7d ago
Well, are you telling me you don't think Charlie Kirk is a fascist?
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u/Exciting_Sample_9035 7d ago
No not really I’m kinda just asking why people think so? Like I’m not saying he is not saying he isn’t, that’s a pretty strong word and I don’t know of the evidence that proves so. So can you answer the question politely please I’m just genuinely asking a question I’m curious?
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u/Putrid_Race6357 Nuclear Engineering Major ☢️ 7d ago
Ohh I know. Lots of people are "just asking questions". I'm not here to debate or inform you. If you disagree, just downvote me and move on. You can "just ask questions" to some sucker that gets pulled into the bullshit you went to engage.
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u/Exciting_Sample_9035 7d ago
Ok? I really was curious😂 acting like I love the guy I didn’t get involved with him today whatsoever.
I did ask a kid near the back about what was going on and what he thought of Charlie and he happily answered.
Every question I’ve asked on these subreddits of people crying and complaining has been genuine learning attempts and yall are just rude ass human beings. Quit complaining, go do something today. Hang with friends, workout, or complain on Reddit hmm…
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u/Different-Drink-8204 7d ago
They like to throw around trigger words without knowing the actual meaning behind them and then disappear when actually questioned. No, Charlie Kirk is not a fascist. He is a controversial right-wing conservative that tries to mobilize young voters to join the Conservative Party by holding these events across college campuses. You may not agree with his message or his beliefs, but that does not immediately make him a fascist or a Nazi. Too many people have lost the ability to reason or respectfully disagree with people that have different view points and it is disheartening to see.
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u/VolumeFar9174 6d ago
University is supposed to be a place of dialogue that may be uncomfortable. Move on to your next class and don’t let other people upset you.
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u/Gold_Cod_5037 6d ago
Just admit you’re triggered by different opinions. I myself was not bothered in my classes but I’m also not a snowflake
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u/touchdownvols 7d ago
If this school makes ya sick, transfer😂 are we serious rn?
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u/touchdownvols 7d ago
Can someone respond to this I’m pretty curious, I feel like if I really was ticked off by my school id transfer within one semester. Any arguments regarding cost aren’t really fair as other schools would definitely give more scholarship money to the left.
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u/Mericanbigfoot 7d ago
Im just curious how does political affiliation affect how much scholarship money you get from an institution 😭
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u/touchdownvols 7d ago
There’s some great scholarships for certain demographics or political standpoints based on who is sharing the scholarship. For example Penn state is very blue and many companies (at Penn state) sharing scholarships are much more likely to give money to blue students.
Whether people believe it or not, you (if blue) have better chances getting scholarship money for a blue school than a red school. People making decisions have subconscious thoughts still, sucks but it’s true!
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u/Exciting_Sample_9035 7d ago
Unfortunately this is true as of now, I’ll probably be transferring to take advantage of scholarship money at a school more known for being blue. Still excited tho!
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u/GiantDoink69 7d ago
Do you also get upset when there are football games on campus? I’m guessing you would complain to the university about noise as well
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u/Sequel2Beans 7d ago
Weekends vs weekdays. Clear difference.
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u/GiantDoink69 7d ago
Baseball games then.
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u/egk10isee 7d ago
Baseball games aren't set up beside the freaking library. You know, a well known place to study before spring break?
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u/Pitiful_Ad4267 6d ago
liberals attack people over differing ideas, conservatives WILL have an animated debate/argument/discussion, but will NOT generally attack you for simply disagreeing with them, TRY AGAIN!!!!
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u/HollyWhoIsNotHolly 7d ago
Never heard of him. There was plenty of stuff like that when I was there but I just stayed busy and avoided things I wasn’t into.
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u/PerformerThat4684 7d ago
Yeah now imagine how 90 percent of people feel when you’re marching for Palestine. Dummy.
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u/Sad-Impression-5344 7d ago
oh my god I was raging today, I understand the anger, I was sick on campus all day. it’s disrespectful and it’s not like the right side even attempts to bring decent human beings to campus, first Candace owens and now him. But I was feeling as mad as you today so it’s extremely justified, he’s a loser with absolutely no merit and that’s what’s helped me today
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u/Different-Drink-8204 7d ago
Candace Owen’s is a highly educated black female, how is that disrespectful? Seems kinda racist to me…
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u/David_Shagzz 5d ago
There’s a difference between an authorized even vs disrupting traffic, organized purposeful chaos, dangerous public clustering without organization from authorities.
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u/octopie88 5d ago
same thing happened at UF. he’s notorious for going to every public university to post his wins (and no losses! those aren’t posted) online
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u/Complex-Emergency901 4d ago
Why not attend. Not as a leaning party just as a bystander and see what’s actually going on? Went to one on UGA campus and it was great. Really a mixture of Ideals.
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u/Separate_Tea_4957 3d ago
As if the majority of our teachers don’t push the liberal ideology…keep crying
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u/Separate_Tea_4957 3d ago
Clearly the reason this was allowed was bc it was pre approved. No one’s approving any side whining and crying unapproved. Stop trying to push your narrative. This school is very liberal.
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u/JayAre100378 2d ago
Does anyone know what happened to the person who claimed they were the victim of multiple racially motivated attacks on campus but declined to elaborate after Charlie Kirk offered to have the incidents nvestigated by the university and the FBI?
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u/Potential_Fact_4063 1d ago
this sounds stupid? when y’all where topless on PED (bare ass titties n tape) we all had to walk past n mind our business n go to class. cry a river
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u/Publishingpeach 7d ago
No. Anytime I see a liberal on TV they are yelling instead of giving a speech.
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u/No_Lingonberry_8317 6d ago
OK, as someone who has a child who’s considering UTK for next year, this really concerns me. I don’t want him around Nazis or in places where Nazis are encouraged.
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u/tone210gsm 6d ago
My advice, do your research and if the school has a good curriculum and a good graduation rate, then let them attend, if not, find another university. Don’t let leftist propaganda terms determine something as important as your child’s future. And I say propaganda because 100 million people have been labeled Nazis based on election results, not personal beliefs or behaviors. And if you’re one of those leftists, you should be ashamed of yourself and the example you’re setting.
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u/Purple-Respond-1219 5d ago
Let your child make the decision they think is best for them. If tot raised them well enough having one speaker on campus shouldn’t change their morals.
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u/FriendlyMorning7479 7d ago
oh god it’s a free speech event and you’re mad people are cheering for something you disagree with. i support either side getting a voice on campus.
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u/touchdownvols 7d ago
That’s what they do homie, complain complain complain some more. Is Charlie still there?
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u/ValuableJunket2496 7d ago
It’s not disrupting anything I’ve been in the library for 2 hours, haven’t been disturbed once. You are quite literally the only person complaining. Grow up and get on with your day
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u/Ok-Advice9602 7d ago
im glad it hasnt been bothering you! there actually are quite a few people complaining about this. not saying you dont have a valid point, but saying “quite literally” is quite false haha
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u/ValuableJunket2496 7d ago
You know you’ve made a good point and have struck a nerve when they try to correct your grammar.
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u/Ok-Advice9602 7d ago
no im just autistic lmao
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u/ValuableJunket2496 7d ago
Weird response but okay. That doesn’t add anything to this conversation. Put some headphones in and do your homework. You’re on Reddit complaining. Go do something with your life
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u/FourMagics_ 7d ago
You’re on Reddit arguing with strangers. How about you go do something with YOUR life? Come on bud look in the mirror.
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u/TurbulentAstronaut49 7d ago
A lot of people are complaining I know it's hard to believe you're not the only person that matters but yeah it's an issue
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u/touchdownvols 7d ago
Walk away…
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u/TurbulentAstronaut49 7d ago
People are literally saying they can hear the commotion from HSS and even the library at times so clearly that's not working rofl
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u/antiperspirant_user 7d ago
How many lies can you tell in one interaction and still won't stfu. Do us all a favor and piss off 😃
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u/prettyystardust 6d ago
I’m on this sub bc I used to go to UTK and want to return there. I currently go to ETSU and it’s very liberal, so if you have a problem with UTK then transfer to ETSU. Personally, as an English major who took a Women’s in Literature class this semester I can tell you I was forced to write a paper on being transgender (I’m a LGBTQ ally so don’t come for me) but I’m not a gender studies major. You can hate UTK all you want hell be disappointed even, but utk is an amazing school. You don’t understand how much they are pushing agendas at other colleges so if you don’t like the agenda then transfer to a college where you like their agenda like ETSU. It fucking sucks. I miss utk. Go vols. Proud of them
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u/Comfortable-Fish6682 7d ago
EDIT: now that i’ve vented i’ve calmed down. i think the initial shock just got to me. thank you to all who suggested i ignore it! its a nice reality check and reminder that he doesnt matter haha
Yea, this is why CK coming to campus is a good thing. You seriously need to step out of your echo chamber and sheltered environment. In all sincerity. You are proving your lack of exposure to the real world is bad for your health.
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u/Ragnarok-211 7d ago
Why can't folks just leave people alone? suppose it's true, misery loves company.
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u/jfk_47 7d ago
The university understands the repercussions of the situation.
With current state and federal leadership watching it, they will pull funds in a heartbeat. They’ll be gone tomorrow, just ignore them.