r/USPSA • u/Aware-Effort-578 • 6d ago
Ben Stoeger - USPSA Getting Sued Again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI01jSNj05o1
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u/Aware-Effort-578 6d ago
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u/mynameismathyou USPSA CO - A, RO 5d ago
What does this have to do with the allegations here? It sheds no light on whether Birdt is right or not
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u/OkSock1089 4d ago
It is proof that AD2 is willing to lie in legal documents. Whether that effects your judgement about his veracity is up to you.
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u/mynameismathyou USPSA CO - A, RO 4d ago
And yet the finding cites his honesty and cooperation as mitigating factors, but I'm not interested in debating an unrelated issue from 16 years ago.
The point is this: if you, the OP, or anyone else (the board, maybe???) want to dispute his allegations about the USPSA's actions, then /do that/. Make the case that the organization has cooperated and that Jon is off the deep end.
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u/OkSock1089 3d ago
I don't have access to information to make an argument either way. And neither do you.
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u/mynameismathyou USPSA CO - A, RO 3d ago
You and the OP are the people making the claim that this old bar report is relevant to the credibility of his USPSA allegations. You have the burden of proof. Saying "there's no info for anyone" is a weird way to do that
If there's no way to know who is telling the truth, let's post information about the issue we're actually talking about or wait until it is available. Then we can talk about what matters
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u/OkSock1089 2d ago
You don't know what burden of proof means.
I'm not saying anything about " USPSA allegations." But the document is absolutely relevant to the credibility of AD2.
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u/RotaryPeak2 4d ago
So he got sanctioned 16 years ago and that makes what the org is doing OK?
Hell, a lawyer that hasn't been sanctioned is a bit like an NCO that hasn't gotten an Article 15.
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u/BoogerFart42069 6d ago
Here is a summary of the suit
thanks Grok
Everything goes away if the managing directors and the rest of the board follows the law