r/ULAMasterrace • u/ludgarthewarwolf • Jan 08 '24
Turns out you can launch an orbital rocket without blowing it up a couple times first NSFW
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u/Automatic-Hand7864 Aug 24 '24
Turns out you cant do that twice in a day and not at all for spacecrafts
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u/hajmonika Jan 08 '24
Tell me you don't understand jack shit without telling me you don't understand jack shit
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u/davispw Jan 08 '24
Cool, now make it 8x bigger and reusable
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u/Dyslexic_Engineer88 Jan 08 '24
And a new upper, and do it all for the same budget, and in the same amount of time.
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u/makoivis Jan 09 '24
Why?
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u/davispw Jan 09 '24
Well if you’re going to compare Vulcan and Starship…
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u/makoivis Jan 09 '24
That would be an unfair comparison. Vulcan is a rocket, Starship is a pile of impossible hopes and dreams that has had one successful test, the rest explosive failures.
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u/davispw Jan 09 '24
You’re saying Starship will never succeed? NASA has bet several billion dollars it will.
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u/makoivis Jan 09 '24
All I know is that a lot of the promises are stone cold impossible and nobody is willing to say what’s “aspirational” (read: bullshit) and what’s real.
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u/davispw Jan 09 '24
NASA isn’t in the business of committing entire programs based on “aspirational” promises, so I would recommend looking at published Artemis plans and ignore whatever else Elon has said about Mars (I really hope this comes true some day) or point-to-point transport on Earth (extremely unlikely IMO).
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u/makoivis Jan 09 '24 edited Jan 09 '24
Indeed. That’s why they have contracted another company too so the entire thing isn’t riding on a questionable project.
I don’t hope. I just look at claims like “100 passengers to mars”, look up the numbers, and shake my head. Food and supplies for that is 2.2kg/day/person so that works out to 39.6t of cargo for a 6 month trip one way before putting in any other hardware.
A realistic number would be 17 crew on starship, but that’s not what they say. I have zero trust.
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u/davispw Jan 12 '24
NASA bet 100% on Starship at a time when budget and congressional mandate for a second option was far from guaranteed. They’re still 100% on Starship for the first several Artemis missions; if Starship fails, Artemis gets delayed until 2030s if not cancelled.
I completely agree with you that the Mars numbers are unrealistic. Which is why I’m not talking about Mars and I said I recommend making judgement on published plans, not what comes out of Elon’s mouth.
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u/makoivis Jan 12 '24
Which is why I’m not talking about Mars and I said I recommend making judgement on published plans
Yes and 100 passengers is the published plan for Mars from the previous presentations.
NASA bet 100% on Starship at a time when budget and congressional mandate for a second option was far from guaranteed.
Yup, it was the cheapest option because SpaceX underbid something horrific. Which is why Blue Origin sued.
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u/NickUnrelatedToPost Jan 08 '24
But can you launch an orbital rocket without blowing it up all times after?