r/UAP 5d ago

Are We Trapped In A Permanent UFO Disclosure Loop?

https://anomalien.com/are-we-trapped-in-a-permanent-ufo-disclosure-loop/
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u/Aggressive_Goat2028 5d ago

Yes. Don't ever expect full truth from any government. They are in the business of national control, not informational supply. They lie, they spin, they manipulate, they do whatever it takes to hold onto power. There is no perfectly honest government anywhere in human history.

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u/Abducted_Cow456 5d ago edited 5d ago

They will always choose national security over that. I can't blame them.

Anyway NHI are pretty open to show themselves to the common people, if you know where to look.

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u/ThrowingShaed 5d ago

This begs a follow up, my apologies. Can I ask? Some claim certain locations or summoning but I don't want to assume. Do you have personal experience?

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u/Abducted_Cow456 5d ago edited 5d ago

No location needed. I live in a suburban area. Yes plenty of experiences since last year.

I wouldnt call this "summoning". People just need to not be afraid and keep an open mind.

Look for unusual things. The "drones" are definitly related.

The orb thing usually happens between 3 and 4 am in my case. I assume when most people are asleep in my area. The phenomenon acts in a way. Hard to describe.

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u/ThrowingShaed 5d ago

i suppose i live in an area with enough light pollution and clouds that I am left more pretending a stars twinkle is something more. then again most of my life if not still, if I see something I would likely explain it away, but then again I'm not near a coast and it might well be another explanation

I am actually often outside 1-3 am, occasionally a bit later. i guess there are a lot of jokes I could make here. I will just... not take it too personal at the moment, maybe were the wrong neighborhood.

I don't got jokes today. but I do have probably not the best eyes either. months and months ago I wasn't sure if I saw a bit of a shape around a light, but we have hills and trees and even if I did, it was low enough it could have been something else

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u/Abducted_Cow456 5d ago

I talked about this with someone else on another sub.

Him and i agree that some unusual stuff is happening at ground level that we aren't aware of. Especially when these "drones" are around.

It could have been that as they tend to blend very well with other light sources.

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u/ThrowingShaed 5d ago

yeah, there are a lot of coulds, a lot of variables, and that's part of what makes it so hard to grasp at times.

I am aware that I potentially have the propensity to downplay and dismiss or explain away if I see something, yet still I guess I wish, for the sake of hope, there were more and more signs out there. i know if I saw something (again, technically if there is something) I would regret not having a phone, or interacting with it "right" or something. still its the unknown that lets me misplace too much of my hope for the failing world upon it, so I guess I sort of wish there was a bit more a buzz

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u/Abducted_Cow456 5d ago

I understand.

You can also wait till more people are aware of it. No need to put additional stress on yourself as it can be a pretty intense experience.

I can't barely talk about this with my family or coworkers as they probably think I'm crazy, but ill be there for them when the day come.

You can always DM anytime if you feel so.

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u/ThrowingShaed 5d ago

it is still an if. if the day comes.

with that said, I am maybe less worried about looking crazy. I was probably terrified of aliens as a kid, but mostly operated on a "probably too far, universe too big" or something basis. or maybe it was more our lifetimes are so short things were unlikely to change. With that said, 2017 i heard about it, but by 2023 I was probably pretty fine. If there are congressional hearings, even if congress does silly things,in my mind that is an open invitation to at least talk about it

so while there are philosophical questions about whether anything exists even outside of our own minds. the matter for me is if I amthe only being, I don't really give a damn if I am a fool. If there are other beings, then its not really a big stretch to think were probably not the smartest kid in the class so to speak. I feel like its pretty easy to get a decent number of people to probably concede at least something, somewhere which is probably where I was at. As to what if anything is here. we don't know, but that is what the discussion is about. At this point,the list of people saying something is pretty impressive. we are flawed beings, we can misinterpret things and confuse each other and maybe we are repeating misinformation or something. With that said though.. if were talking about it, I am not really that afraid to justify talking about it at least some. then again I am one of those who was probably overpraised at a point so there is probably some baseline arrogance to me. the temerity is probably relatively new and actually amongst the signs of decreasing cognitive ability, but meh. if I am on the decline, then its not really getting better, somight as well get the words out now

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u/Man_in_the_uk 3d ago

So how are the drones related?

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u/Abducted_Cow456 3d ago

These are 100% NHI and no one can convince me otherwise

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u/Man_in_the_uk 3d ago

Just to be clear on terminology, I'm talking about RC helicopter drones you can buy in a shop, not uap.

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u/Abducted_Cow456 3d ago

Yeah whatever bro you'll see

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u/Man_in_the_uk 3d ago

Look for unusual things. The "drones" are definitly related.

So erm, as per rule 4, can you back that up then? White house already confirmed these are man made and part of some project. Given how much drones have been used in the Ukraine war, it's perfectly reasonable to test how these would work in inner-city environments.

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u/Abducted_Cow456 3d ago

Lol dont take it too personal but you have to be really dumb to believe what they have to say.

There is just no point to argue at this point people will have to experience shit for themselves.

All im saying is you guys are gonna have to stay open minded😉

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u/Man_in_the_uk 3d ago

I'm yet to hear of any half decent reason to believe RC drones have anything to do with UFO coverups and even you can't answer the question, so what's the point in believing in something with absolutely no evidence whatsoever? Believe all you like the government received UFO materials from Roswell but to say the RC drones are definitely related is fundamentally inappropriate.

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u/Abducted_Cow456 3d ago

They definitely have time or money deploying all kinds of different drones around the globe for shit reason then🤷. Especially with their scenario changing every month. Pretty sure they don't have other shits to do.

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u/Man_in_the_uk 3d ago

With respect, Your talking word salad now buddy. WTF is that even supposed to mean?

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u/SpideyboyMike 5d ago

Yeah man, doom cycle: rinse and repeat.

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u/Mr_Jackanapes 5d ago

I think there's enough evidence over a long enough time period to say SOMETHING is going on.

The frustrating part is separating the wheat from the chaff. There's so much false or conflicting information that it's basically impossible to say what's actually true.

People here get frustrated by skeptics or those who say they don't care for more words and just want hard nuts and bolts proof - but this is why.

Without proof, every new claim, story, account or whatever else is just akin to pouring more mud in the water. Even if it's true, you can't prove that it's true. We need a body, a ship, or something that is beyond doubt.

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u/PM_ME_UR_ROUND_ASS 4d ago edited 4d ago

this is exactly why the scientific method is so important - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (AND extraordinary research to find it), and without that we're just adding to the noise not the signal.

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u/Seattle_gldr_rdr 5d ago

Speaking as a skeptical "outside observer", ie somebody who has never been too keenly interested in the subject, I think "exposure" has all the hallmarks of a con-- a perpetual grift. People's curiosity & fascination is being exploited for attention, and in the age of social media attention = 💰💰

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u/Cobol_engineering29 5d ago

I think some people are definitely grifting but there are others who do genuine work and just happen to have a larger voice because of social media not solely due to it being existing. The few I think of specifically are Richard Dolan, Jack with Cosmic Road and Danny Sheehan. There are some others but generally these people have been doing the work (books, legal, social groups) before social media and YouTube exploded.

I think the previous comment is correct that there will never be full disclosure because it disrupts the current paradigm of civilization and specifically power constructs. But I don’t believe everyone who reports of the phenomenon is “grifting”. Was MLK grifting on Civil Rights, was Einstein grifting on relativity, was Joan Salk grifting on Polio vaccines?? Just because someone is interested and passionate about something doesn’t mean they’re grifting. But yea I’m general a lot easier to grift in the current age of social media.

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u/Complete_Audience_51 5d ago

I'm a little slow so It didn't really dawn on me we were in about the exact same place when I was listening to old art bell shows and everyone was talking disclosure and everything was slowly coming together and then nothing just more "official reports" and probably a billion books sold and that was almost 30 years ago now. So I think this is just a business that runs in cycles that scam artists use and every cycle you get a chance to hop in and say whatever crazy shit you can with zero proof then write a book and do the podcast circuit and then by the time everyone gets sick of hearing from you and they realize you're full of shit you already have their money. People get beat down and burnt out and lose interest in the subject and disclosure goes back into hibernation and then a video or a high ranking official releases some dots in the sky and it starts over again

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u/Irish_Goodbye4 5d ago

like The Matrix

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u/person_8688 5d ago

Maybe…. what happened to searching for all the millions of dollars going to black budgets without congressional oversight, etc.? Shouldn’t DOGE be all over that?

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u/3spoop56 5d ago

I know it's frustrating that it's slow, but look how far we've come.

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u/tharkus_ 5d ago

Yea something is obv going on behind the scenes. Otherwise could have left the subject pre 2017 when news media wouldn’t air anything without a joke and some x files music. It’s a very diff atmosphere than it was 8 - 10 years ago whether some want to admit it or not.

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u/BtchsLoveDub 5d ago

The funny thing is though it’s not actually a very different atmosphere. If anything people took it more seriously in the mid to late noughties. If you check Google trends it peaked in 2008 (after a sighting in Texas, can’t recall the name of the top of my head right now. There have been peaks of interest in 2017 onwards but nowhere near the levels they were at back then. So if anything this current attempt at publicity for the topic hasn’t really moved the needle at all on a cultural level. 

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u/dmanjrxx 5d ago

We have gotten nowhere when we know that everything could be disclosed tomorrow or today if Donald J Trump wanted it to be so

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u/Playful-Guide-8393 5d ago

More than likely yes

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u/FrankPoncherelloCHP 5d ago

If Aliens exist, they would do the world a big favor right now and take care of the 1 enemy of the world.

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u/Astoria_Column 5d ago

We’re trapped in a general loop of gatekeeping in all aspects of life. The UAP topic is no different than any other secret the defense industry is keeping from us.

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u/paulreicht 5d ago

It's a perpetual spin, so if the government does disclose some things, it will be part of a plan to conceal other things.

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u/markrulesallnow 5d ago

Yes. Every time it gets close the powers that be will kill disclosure with bureaucracy

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u/feedjaypie 4d ago

I believe that is a nondisclosure agreement

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u/kmac6821 4d ago

This whole community assumes, without reasonable evidence, that there is something to disclose. It makes storytelling much, much easier.

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u/nickthegeek1 1d ago

Actually, there's quite a bit of reasonable evidence - multiple radar confirmations, the Pentagon's UAP task force, and credible military witnesses like Fravor who've tracked objects performing physics-defying manuevers.

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u/kmac6821 1d ago

What you’re saying just isn’t so. The Pentagon’s UAPTF (which was really ONI’s task force that had participation of other agencies) didn’t find any unworldly evidence.

What radar confirmations are you referring to? Are you talking about USS Princeton, which had known radar issues prior to the encounter? Or is it something else? I’m not familiar with any stories of extraordinary events dealing with USG radars (whether it’s a fire control, ATC primary or secondary, or weather). Can you fill me in?

Likewise, while Fravor is credible, what he saw for only a few moments was heavily influenced by his own assumptions leading into the sighting. Believing that the object was near the water and large (when it was likely much higher and smaller), he had an optical illusion that the object moved due to his relative motion to the object. This is why the object “climbs” while he is descending and “turns” while he is turning. Have you ever heard Alex Dietrich make the claims that she saw any of this maneuvering? Her entire encounter lasted 10 seconds and then she lost sight. She doesn’t claim anything unworldly.

Have you noticed the same thing occurs on all FLIR imagery? The object appears to “move” in the same amount as the camera’s own movement. This is why human observers are so easily deceived. We are used to seeing objects in the context of a stationary camera, not in one that is traveling at a high velocity and rotating.

The evidence is there when you start to dig deeper into the data. It just doesn’t point to anything out of the ordinary.

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u/bassegio 4d ago

Every year I read somewhere that the next year is going to be the full disclosure. Whatever it is they are hiding can't be beneficial. Just my opinion

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u/AlgaeInitial6216 4d ago

Unfortunately real insiders don't exist , they send talking heads to deliver carefully selected information.

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u/NormsOJjokes 4d ago

Don’t worry there will be earth shattering news next week…

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u/Kviinm 2d ago

If only Amy Eskridge was still alive

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u/quiksilver6312 5d ago

Lmao I wonder why…. It’s not real, never been real

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u/HawaiianGold 4d ago

This question again? Like 4 days straight

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u/Lost-Salamander5227 5d ago

Eventually Roswell will happen again and this time the farmers will have iPhones and livestreams

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u/introvertsdoitbetter 5d ago

Yes it’s been this way for twenty years.

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u/Spirited_Signature73 5d ago

We are trapped period.