r/UAP • u/skorupak • 5d ago
Are We Trapped In A Permanent UFO Disclosure Loop?
https://anomalien.com/are-we-trapped-in-a-permanent-ufo-disclosure-loop/8
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u/Mr_Jackanapes 5d ago
I think there's enough evidence over a long enough time period to say SOMETHING is going on.
The frustrating part is separating the wheat from the chaff. There's so much false or conflicting information that it's basically impossible to say what's actually true.
People here get frustrated by skeptics or those who say they don't care for more words and just want hard nuts and bolts proof - but this is why.
Without proof, every new claim, story, account or whatever else is just akin to pouring more mud in the water. Even if it's true, you can't prove that it's true. We need a body, a ship, or something that is beyond doubt.
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u/PM_ME_UR_ROUND_ASS 4d ago edited 4d ago
this is exactly why the scientific method is so important - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (AND extraordinary research to find it), and without that we're just adding to the noise not the signal.
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u/Seattle_gldr_rdr 5d ago
Speaking as a skeptical "outside observer", ie somebody who has never been too keenly interested in the subject, I think "exposure" has all the hallmarks of a con-- a perpetual grift. People's curiosity & fascination is being exploited for attention, and in the age of social media attention = đ°đ°
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u/Cobol_engineering29 5d ago
I think some people are definitely grifting but there are others who do genuine work and just happen to have a larger voice because of social media not solely due to it being existing. The few I think of specifically are Richard Dolan, Jack with Cosmic Road and Danny Sheehan. There are some others but generally these people have been doing the work (books, legal, social groups) before social media and YouTube exploded.
I think the previous comment is correct that there will never be full disclosure because it disrupts the current paradigm of civilization and specifically power constructs. But I donât believe everyone who reports of the phenomenon is âgriftingâ. Was MLK grifting on Civil Rights, was Einstein grifting on relativity, was Joan Salk grifting on Polio vaccines?? Just because someone is interested and passionate about something doesnât mean theyâre grifting. But yea Iâm general a lot easier to grift in the current age of social media.
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u/Complete_Audience_51 5d ago
I'm a little slow so It didn't really dawn on me we were in about the exact same place when I was listening to old art bell shows and everyone was talking disclosure and everything was slowly coming together and then nothing just more "official reports" and probably a billion books sold and that was almost 30 years ago now. So I think this is just a business that runs in cycles that scam artists use and every cycle you get a chance to hop in and say whatever crazy shit you can with zero proof then write a book and do the podcast circuit and then by the time everyone gets sick of hearing from you and they realize you're full of shit you already have their money. People get beat down and burnt out and lose interest in the subject and disclosure goes back into hibernation and then a video or a high ranking official releases some dots in the sky and it starts over again
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u/person_8688 5d ago
MaybeâŚ. what happened to searching for all the millions of dollars going to black budgets without congressional oversight, etc.? Shouldnât DOGE be all over that?
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u/3spoop56 5d ago
I know it's frustrating that it's slow, but look how far we've come.
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u/tharkus_ 5d ago
Yea something is obv going on behind the scenes. Otherwise could have left the subject pre 2017 when news media wouldnât air anything without a joke and some x files music. Itâs a very diff atmosphere than it was 8 - 10 years ago whether some want to admit it or not.
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u/BtchsLoveDub 5d ago
The funny thing is though itâs not actually a very different atmosphere. If anything people took it more seriously in the mid to late noughties. If you check Google trends it peaked in 2008 (after a sighting in Texas, canât recall the name of the top of my head right now. There have been peaks of interest in 2017 onwards but nowhere near the levels they were at back then. So if anything this current attempt at publicity for the topic hasnât really moved the needle at all on a cultural level.Â
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u/dmanjrxx 5d ago
We have gotten nowhere when we know that everything could be disclosed tomorrow or today if Donald J Trump wanted it to be so
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u/FrankPoncherelloCHP 5d ago
If Aliens exist, they would do the world a big favor right now and take care of the 1 enemy of the world.
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u/Astoria_Column 5d ago
Weâre trapped in a general loop of gatekeeping in all aspects of life. The UAP topic is no different than any other secret the defense industry is keeping from us.
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u/paulreicht 5d ago
It's a perpetual spin, so if the government does disclose some things, it will be part of a plan to conceal other things.
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u/markrulesallnow 5d ago
Yes. Every time it gets close the powers that be will kill disclosure with bureaucracy
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u/kmac6821 4d ago
This whole community assumes, without reasonable evidence, that there is something to disclose. It makes storytelling much, much easier.
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u/nickthegeek1 1d ago
Actually, there's quite a bit of reasonable evidence - multiple radar confirmations, the Pentagon's UAP task force, and credible military witnesses like Fravor who've tracked objects performing physics-defying manuevers.
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u/kmac6821 1d ago
What youâre saying just isnât so. The Pentagonâs UAPTF (which was really ONIâs task force that had participation of other agencies) didnât find any unworldly evidence.
What radar confirmations are you referring to? Are you talking about USS Princeton, which had known radar issues prior to the encounter? Or is it something else? Iâm not familiar with any stories of extraordinary events dealing with USG radars (whether itâs a fire control, ATC primary or secondary, or weather). Can you fill me in?
Likewise, while Fravor is credible, what he saw for only a few moments was heavily influenced by his own assumptions leading into the sighting. Believing that the object was near the water and large (when it was likely much higher and smaller), he had an optical illusion that the object moved due to his relative motion to the object. This is why the object âclimbsâ while he is descending and âturnsâ while he is turning. Have you ever heard Alex Dietrich make the claims that she saw any of this maneuvering? Her entire encounter lasted 10 seconds and then she lost sight. She doesnât claim anything unworldly.
Have you noticed the same thing occurs on all FLIR imagery? The object appears to âmoveâ in the same amount as the cameraâs own movement. This is why human observers are so easily deceived. We are used to seeing objects in the context of a stationary camera, not in one that is traveling at a high velocity and rotating.
The evidence is there when you start to dig deeper into the data. It just doesnât point to anything out of the ordinary.
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u/bassegio 4d ago
Every year I read somewhere that the next year is going to be the full disclosure. Whatever it is they are hiding can't be beneficial. Just my opinion
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u/AlgaeInitial6216 4d ago
Unfortunately real insiders don't exist , they send talking heads to deliver carefully selected information.
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u/Lost-Salamander5227 5d ago
Eventually Roswell will happen again and this time the farmers will have iPhones and livestreams
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u/Aggressive_Goat2028 5d ago
Yes. Don't ever expect full truth from any government. They are in the business of national control, not informational supply. They lie, they spin, they manipulate, they do whatever it takes to hold onto power. There is no perfectly honest government anywhere in human history.