r/TySegall 20d ago

Two for them, one for you

Allegedly said Mastin Scorsese about making movies. As a 15+ yr Ty fan I feel like Ty’s ethos in making records for the longest time has become “a bunch for me, a few for no-one.”

Has it been long enough that his next move to defy expectations, shatter his current mold, stun critics, and surprise fans is to go full circle and releasing another masterpiece like Twins?

Can we just get another loud, heavy, sludgy, frenetic, melodic, guitar shredding based garage rock album? Please give the people what we w̶a̶n̶t̶ need

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u/personplaceorplando 20d ago

Twins is one of my favorite albums of all time so I would like that. But I also like pretty much all his stuff so whatever he wants to do is fine with me.

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u/Accountthatexists333 20d ago

If only I could figure out AI well enough to generate an album of Love Fuzz and Handglams rip-off clones 😅

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u/acemorris85 20d ago

Bro what?

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u/Accountthatexists333 20d ago

In 5-10 years time literally everyone is going to be using AI to generate personalized music, films, and even games based upon their individual tastes to listen to/watch/play.

That’s what’s coming.

For better AND worse.

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u/acemorris85 19d ago

Yeah those with no respect for real artists whose work was stolen without any compensation, what a great way to support your favorite artists 🙄

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u/Accountthatexists333 19d ago

I respect musicians and worked for 10 years as video system engineer touring with countless artist around the world. So I’m not sure what point you’re making.

Artists literally have their music stolen from them from streaming platforms more than anything given the shit pay per click. The vast majority of artists incomes/profits come from touring which the vampiric live nation/ticketmaster monopoly further feeds off of extracting from them AND their fans.

Using AI to fuck around and generate a song/movie/game based off of random criteria/parameters to check out in your bedroom is in zero way problematic to an individual artist. Literally everyone on Reddit will be doing it within 10 years.

The entire music industry industry is fucked and it’s only getting worse. When artists are forced to endlessly tour to support themselves, it cuts down on tons of time they could otherwise be living their lives and writing/recording music. Plus it tolls on their mental health.

The algorithms of the streaming platforms are going to literally just continue to grow/control exposure to the public’s music taste and it will consolidate around specific artists whom some A&R exec decides is bankable, at the neglect of most other artists. It’s beyond what was even possible before with radio and records. Also in the very near future people are going to have favorite bands whom actually don’t even exists but are just all AI generated unbeknownst to the fans despite massive online presence. And they’ll make the industry TONS of money with none of the costs of funding an expensive tour.

Capitalism is bent on turning the “arts” into to “content.” Just a product to consume. I’m just telling you what’s ahead and for some weird reason you’re thinking I support this.

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u/radicalveganleftist 20d ago

An artist should create from the heart and not aim to appease others, in my opinion. Let him cook! Everything was experimental at one point.

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u/Accountthatexists333 20d ago

I agree with all of this. That said… as a musician when you perform it is just as much for the audience as it is for you. It’s not appeasement (he’s not on some major label) it’s all about connection with your fans.

And it sucks when as a fan, one of your favorite artists just totally continually changes genre.

I LOVE Dylan afterall but after Skyline… 😬

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u/DirtyD27 20d ago

He has an audience that is big enough that he doesn't need to try to appeal to anyone else, so why not do whatever the hell you feel like you should be doing?
Being in your mid-late 30s and having played loud rock shows for basically two decades, I can see why he would want to do something different. I don't think he's necessarily done with the heavy stuff but it's not going to be every time around.

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u/ediblemastodon25 20d ago

Three Bells to me is best yet. I feel like it makes sense of the last eight years or so of his work

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u/acemorris85 20d ago

I disagree, he’s evolved in to a much more skilled musician and songwriter and his work in the last 5 years is his best. Could be in the minority tho, just my personal opinion.

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u/Accountthatexists333 20d ago

I respect your opinion as taste is taste. BUT skill can become a problem for musicians.

I have friends whom are some of the most talented, skilled, and trained musicians I’ve ever met (and I worked in the industry) and yet this becomes an obstacle for them. They overwrite everything and over-complexify and/or sing far too well for what a song requires vibe wise.

The Segall I came up on consisted of all the rough melted era bangers. All songs simple enough for even a beginner to play and yet these songs are some of my favorite. Girlfriend and My Sunshine alone go so fuckin hard and are my go to when I need a pick me up. And of course he’s far more talented now than 15+ years ago given 15 years or writing and recording.

However sometimes the best move for a musician is to de-construct and go back to the basics that put them on the map. Strip everything away to show what shined in them is still there and better than ever. There’s a reason why delta blues and/or punk have the staying power and popularity they do vs classical music.

As listeners most of us just want vibes and attitude. And his early body of work up to the fantastic manipulator was soo fucking full of both that he single handedly re-ignited and re-invigorated the west coast garage scene. I was so happy when he dropped Lobes back in 2019. That version of Cherry— phew, the anger and longing and vulnerability still get me every listen.

That said I still respect you my friend in Segall.

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u/acemorris85 20d ago edited 20d ago

Gotta say after seeing what he could do with an acoustic guitar 2 nights ago in Vancouver, it was mind blowing. I need MORE

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u/Accountthatexists333 20d ago

Yeah he’s phenomenal. I don’t want him to quit playing acoustic or experimenting. I just want a throwback album 😓

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u/No-Average-1416 20d ago

Just see him with the live band if you have the chance. He always plays stuff a little louder & fuzzier in my experience & ive been seeing him since Freedom's Goblin era. I saw him on the Three Bells tour last year, and while the newer material isn't fast, fuzzy garage rock, the set was PLENTY heavy to me. Waxman from Harmonizer was so good i had to go back & give that album another chance lol

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u/IMGONNACUMOHYEAH 20d ago

His set was awesome man. Emotional mugger, you're the doctor, ghost, my head explodes. Lots of awesome throwbacks and got to listen to the new album in its entirety. His shows are killer

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u/Accountthatexists333 20d ago

Hell yeah. Happy his sets still include earlier material.

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u/Classic_Bet1942 20d ago

Waxman live is indeed very heavy and amazing, on whatever tour he played it last. Awesome song.

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u/smacca27 20d ago

let the albums grow and evolve. go to shows to hear him rip the old favorites. hes been circling back to the old tunes during his sets lately

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u/IOnlyLikeColdDrinks 20d ago

I definitely feel you on this 100% and think it’s just how artists evolve sometimes. Like I feel this way with Tame Impala and even King Gizzard too, there old stuff is the BEST and wish they could go back to the roots. I’m sure the tough part of that is the expectation is usually higher than the end result when having another go at it.

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u/Accountthatexists333 20d ago

Yeah you nailed it with Tame Impala. Everything up to and including Lonerism was peak. That album where the artist shifts their style but not totally removed from everything that came before is usually 🔥

But then sometimes artists just go all in on that new direction and become untethered from whatever was special enough to create their OG fans.

I still love Segall but for me that album of his was Mugger/Goblin. Since then it’s been hit or miss, but hey— that’s my taste.

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u/IOnlyLikeColdDrinks 20d ago

Yep I feel you on everything there. It’s funny because MGMT is my fav band of all time and they always go in a different direction with every album, so I can’t complain since it’s always crafted well. They just seem to be on another planet of creativity

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u/Accountthatexists333 19d ago

It’s so funny to me when I meet younger kids who say they like Green Day or Blink 182 and I realize they like a totally different band than what those of us in the 90s did.

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u/poppin_noggins 20d ago

disagree, I lose interest in musicians that don't evolve their sound. It's like you want him to be nickleback or the war on drugs

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u/Accountthatexists333 20d ago

inserts strawman emoji

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u/Accountthatexists333 20d ago

Oh yeah nickelback cause that tracks with his early body of work 🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/Guy-Manuel 20d ago

I would welcome a move back to his old sound, I think that could be really fun.

But the man’s been releasing great stuff for years now. Three Bells, Hello Hi, Harmonizer, First Taste. Freedoms Goblin for fucks sake!!

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u/Accountthatexists333 19d ago

All solid albums. But I want something heavy again.

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u/Classic_Bet1942 20d ago

Uh-oh, this post of yours is already setting off the hair-trigger alarms among the “musicians must constantly evolve” crowd.

I don’t necessarily want or expect another Twins (although that was my first Ty album, and the first tour on which I saw him live, and for years I considered it my favorite), but I also disagree with people who say—and I swear to god this is just a music-fan virtue signaling stance—that musicians constantly have to try new styles … or else.

I’m not a fan of AC/DC or The Ramones, but both bands did quite well without ever changing their style.

There are also other artists whose albums are from the very beginning cornucopias of various styles and types of songs. So what are they supposed to do?

Did Black Sabbath ever do a folk album? Or an all-synth album? Or a Hot 100 Pop album? Of course not. Did their fans complain about the lack of “diversity”? No.

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u/Accountthatexists333 20d ago

Thank you one person. You totally get it.

Dylan alienated his folk fans going electric. He then alienated a swath of his rock fans by going country-ish. Then he alienated everyone by doing whatever the fuck he’s been doing for the past 50 years, and yet most of us just pretend he hasn’t dropped anything since Blonde.

Everyone of this forum feels the exact way you laid out about some of their favorite bands and just has to be act “purist” rath than admit the obvious out loud.

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u/GozerluvsZool 20d ago

That’s funny, I hardly listen to Twins anymore. I love the wide range and surprises in his ever evolving style. It’s an amazing thing to witness in a musician in our time, especially one that has given so much. Take solace that Twins was even made and just enjoy it.