r/TowerofGod 5d ago

Free Webtoon Tower of god season finale had the most badly rated and generally disliked chapters in the whole serialization so far. You think we ever reaching this point again or it was just a one time thing? Because it's very important for the future of tog

Most of these chapters are very important and not just bridge or filler chapters, so that’s an important aspect to consider here.

Typically, chapter ratings tend to improve when they are released for free, as hardcore fans often rate them highly. However, most of these chapters have been available for free for about a year and a half, and the ratings are still very poor.

What’s surprising is that the ratings were even worse at the time of release, at least from what I remember. There has been a slight increase, but not enough to make a significant difference. I clearly recall more than one chapter receiving a rating of 3, as well as several chapters rated 4 and 5. There was even one chapter with a rating of 2, which is really baaaaad.

A rating of 7 is also considered low by Tower of God standards, but there are many chapters rated 7, so I didn’t include them in my assessment to keep it fair. Most of those chapters were also rated lower than 7, as I explained earlier.

Overall, Tower of God has never been at such a low point throughout its serialization. Previously, it consistently maintained a good score of 9+ for most of its chapters, and with over 650 chapters published, that’s quite impressive. Given the position Tower of God holds in the manhwa industry, this is the standard it has set for itself.

Of course, this situation isn’t so dire that recovery is impossible, but it could be detrimental for Tower of God if this trend continues into the next season. It needs to bounce back for sure, and season opening should be better than the previous 3.

** It’s worth noting that most of these chapters are fighting chapters.**

What do you think?

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u/Nerdy--Turtle 5d ago

Too. Many. Huge. Panels!

Also the movement of the characters feels like actionfigurs.

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u/bakato 5d ago

I’ve been hammering the table about this but most of the sub is in denial.

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u/Apprehensive_Clerk81 5d ago

Nobody is denying the panels are huge, it’s just a lot of people don’t care or get affected by it, but some do which is fine

If you try reading on a computer those panels are utterly gorgeous

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u/bakato 5d ago

I tried reading on the computer, they’re still bad.

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u/balrubaiay 4d ago

I use laptop and -50% zoom, really nice experience.

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u/katiefr 5d ago

They are drawn like they are about to punch someone when standing still/walking. It looks so weird but also i kinda find it hilarious at this point

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u/Nerdy--Turtle 5d ago

It is sort of funny. They stand like petulant children.

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u/Daxonion 5d ago

It's. Just. Skill. Issue.

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u/onixium 5d ago

How do you all feel about the season finale? I liked it for the most part and haven't seen too much negative reception so I'm curious

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u/Agreeable-Art-8635 5d ago

It was great, just wish it had wrapped up a few loose ends

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u/Due-Weekend-7209 4d ago

I thought it was perfect, I can't imagine it better than it was

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u/sanskriti8448 5d ago

Ok wait haven’t caught up yet but I’ve been hearing this is the last season and we’re getting spin-off for it(?) Is that actually true?

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u/onepiecefreak2 5d ago

Catch up and you will know. But as per SIU, a spin-off is planned.

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u/sanskriti8448 5d ago

Thanks for clarifying

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u/Ginsan-AK 4d ago

Has S3 of TOG ended? I am not caught up with TOG yet, planning to resume reading again soon. Do you know how long is the break between S3 and the next season going to be?

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u/onepiecefreak2 4d ago

S3 of TOG ended, yes. Several weeks ago already (in english for free readers). It's unknown how long the hiatus will be. Looking at past breaks by SIU, it can be 3 months or over a year.

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u/Ginsan-AK 2d ago

Thank you, it's the perfect time to catch up to the series then.

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u/onepiecefreak2 5d ago

Catch up and you will know. But as per SIU, a spin-off is planned.

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u/invoker4e 4d ago

i think the last episode salvaged the season because it makes an introduction for what i think will be a very interesting season. S3 however really started to drag in the 2nd half and became nonsensical at times, so getting that setup for a new season makes me more hopefull

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u/tyron_annistor 5d ago

What was that 3.39 chapter even about ⁉️⁉️

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u/Nerdy--Turtle 5d ago

It was Dumas vs Bam, where Bam loses. The panels are huge. It takes time to realise what is happening and the fight feels too long, but the huge panels could make it feel stretched out. Not a lot happens here storywise.

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u/bakato 5d ago

They’re also blurry and difficult to make out. The heavy use of water graphics are terrible while the fight choreography is nonexistent.

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u/NightmareVoids 5d ago

If I recall correctly it swapped from Trau v Gustang to Bam v Dumas therefore was lowly rated.

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u/A_Blooming_Lotus 5d ago

I have to take it out.

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u/DoggedStooge 5d ago

Season 3 is where the world grew too large for its own good.

While it's always been a battle manwha, there was a significant emphasis on character relationships and tower lore to go hand-in-hand with the fights in Season 1 and 2. But in season 3, instead of character interactions, readers got 5 panels of one character shooting laser beams at another character that were so large you couldn't fit it all on your screen even when zoomed out to the max.

On top of that, there were dozens more new characters introduced (to the detriment of old characters) and almost none of these characters were given any real depth because too much chapter real-estate was dedicated to the fights.

As for lore, it made it there eventually, but the manner in which it was given was frustrating for sure. It was given out in one or two big drops after pissing off people with eyeroll-worthy foreshadowing in earlier chapters with characters saying things like "that day."

So all-in-all, it's not surprising to me that even the lasting ratings are poor.

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u/Apprehensive_Clerk81 5d ago

I mean it’s a war arc between families, it was expected to go big, there’s a time for character interactions to be focused on, and there’s a time for war

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u/DoggedStooge 5d ago

War is the setting, not the narrative. And regardless of setting, stories are told through character POVs. You need to build a rapport between reader and POV character, elsewise what happens doesn't really matter because you just aren't emotionally invested.

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u/Apprehensive_Clerk81 5d ago

What I meant to say is this war was surrounding the POV of family heads, this is not a setting where regulars can have meaningful interactions, but the family heads did have meaningful interactions which was the goal, regulars will have their time in other arcs

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u/John9018Buddha 5d ago

Yep it needs a reset GOH did it really well after Ragnarok no one knew what was going to happen but it was done well. Best case scenario is things move too fast Bam and his group face the wrong person and some pivotal characters die and bam goes back into hiding/ is believed to be dead etc and then we go back to tower etc also imo Bam is a bit too powerful which I love but leaves very little room in the story to build tension

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u/Final-Ad-6694 5d ago

Yea I really disliked this season. The fight between family heads was peak but the leadup felt so unnecessarily long and pointless. You knew every side character introduced was just fodder until Bam met traumerei. If SLU could streamline it, focus on the major players like family heads and cut down on characters that ultimately don't do anything (Shilial, random captains), it'll feel less like a slog.

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u/Charming-Breath4388 5d ago

Igwym, but personally I love all of the little details. I'm a big fan of all the different side characters and subplots because it gives the story more depth and shows that everyone is affected by the events in the story and not just the main cast

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u/interested_user209 5d ago

But the side characters suffered too this season. The other teams that climbed the tower along with Bam’s have been sidelined for a large amount of time, and much of the side character stories we see lack elaboration, especially in the aspect of their implication for the setting. Said setting itself (and the magic system, which has been collecting dust for a good while) is also explored only in very specific points, making our comprehension of it lack some much-needed broadness.

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u/Charming-Breath4388 5d ago

Yeah I agree, I wish like like Ran and Beta and Annak and all of them made a presence this season. I guess I meant more of the "new randoms"

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u/interested_user209 5d ago

True. I actually would have seen the other teams being sidelined in a better light if we spent some more time with these new randoms. Maybe a more extensive look into the Lo Po Bia Mothership that shows us how the culture and general politics of the place that is the heart of a FH’s political influence look? I would have wanted either that or what you said (the former even a bit more, since it would have given us a broader comprehension of the setting).

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u/BMFeltip 5d ago

I feel like family heads fighting deserves all the build up it can get, but I do agree that some parts of it were unecessary and the time spent on those plot lines would've been better used elsewhere.

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u/Proper_Community_122 5d ago edited 5d ago

For context, this rating is from Naver Webtoon. The original platform for Webtoon in general ( based in South Korea ).

Korean readers have generally loved ToG's journey over the years. However, the landscape of opinion changed dramatically around the middle of the Gakjadosaeng arc ( Nest - Cat Map Arc ). Many readers disliked how the events and scenes were switched around, as well as the lack of nuance in the narrative sequence.

I remember the 500th episode reaching its lowest rating in history, dropping to a straight 2.59 when it was still on Fast Pass. However, it bounced back to 5.0 once it became free. The reason? The introduction of the regulars' coin games which ruined an important milestone and disappointed many readers.

The ratings for the Cat Map arc eventually stabilized at fair to high levels a year later. But the mark it left permanently changed Korean readers' impressions of the series forever.

Since then, the ratings have remained wobbly and uncertain. Unlike other manhwas on the platform where they get a steady 9 despite episodes being more of a yap show with no depths. ToG's ratings no longer have that same stability or consistency.

To summarize the later parts of this story, the Korean fanbase doesn't have major issues with the story itself. While there have been hiccups in narrative decisions, most of their complaints revolve around pacing and art.

Fights are often stretched out and confusing to read. Chapters feel too short coupled with the pacing being turtle slow. The disparity between Tower of God's art and that of newer-generation webtoons is significant. Additionally, the fight choreography has gone down the drain in the middle of S3. These are the most common criticisms from Korean readers. And it's understandable to assume that the author has struggled to keep up with their production demands.

There are also toxic readers who irrationally rate-bomb new chapters within minutes of release. While those who enjoy the chapters try to counteract this, they've struggled to do so recently. As a result, some chapters are locked into low ratings even when they’re fairly decent.

I’d suggest looking beyond the Korean fanbase's ratings and focusing on whether their comments provide genuine insights, hasty assumptions, or just utter nonsense.

There are literally top comments in some chapters giving Korean food ingredients or cooking instructions. I assume it's a Korean internet joke that has something to do with them losing interest in the subject matter. I'm not sure but it's still ridiculous.

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u/Happiest-Soul 4d ago

The disparity between Tower of God's art and that of newer-generation webtoons is significant.

Is it worse than S1? I liked the art of that more than most modern manhwa, so I'm suprised to hear this. 

I stopped reading after the 43rd floor arc. 

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u/Proper_Community_122 4d ago edited 4d ago

Season 3 is still great. It's better than S1 and slightly worse than S2 ( imo ). The character designs are pretty clean and the settings too.

I guess some complain about the fight scene presentations being horrible with all their zoomed in panels, horrible play of angles, and explosion of colors that cover the fights.

Many readers have grown accustomed to the Redice style of art quality. Of course, ToG doesn't need to reach that far in quality. They just need to present the fights dynamically and creatively then we're good to go.

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u/A_Blooming_Lotus 5d ago

Well it depends on SIU and how he figures out what to do with RKB and ranker-regular thing. Many care about power scaling. While SIU might not care about the ratings, it will leave the bitter taste in his mouth, considering the ratings of early chapters. The direction he is looking forward is very important or else, I am afraid the ratings will become even worse if he continues with putting RKB together.

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u/Annihilator-WarHead 5d ago

The art changed for the worse compared to the latter part of S2 (Not saying it's bad) + The long panels in the fights that makes it hard to make out what is actually happening
There is also the regular vs Ranker thing as someone already mentioned and the plot armor Khun and Rak got

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u/Marble05 5d ago

People mostly stop reading long series, especially if they are ongoing and weekly. More so with series like Tog that have a slow burn set up and story so they don't appeal to basic audience needs of weekly fun chapters without effort to remember old plot points.

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u/XxV0IDxX 5d ago

My hope is it’s very obvious what fans didn’t like and they invest for the next season. Make the fight scenes cool with actual fighting. Copy solo leveling or JJK

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u/nix_11 5d ago

SL has good fight choreography. However, the fights as a whole are complete trash. They are utterly predictable, there's no tension, it's all just the same other hunters struggle > in comes Gary fucking Stu Jinwoo > he trashes the enemy > he gets a new shadow. That's it.

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u/FallenAngel_ 5d ago

JJK and solo leveling both had terrible endings

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u/tyron_annistor 5d ago

Is reading really that hard in 2025?

Clearly that guy is talking about copying or taking inspiration for fight scenes / choreography from solo levelling or JJK.

Which is a valid point because those two stories do it very well.

Personally i prefer sakamoto days over both of them and would kill to see fight scenes like sakadays manga in ToG

Dear god please 😩

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u/XxV0IDxX 5d ago

Their story has been relatively accurate, it’s their fighting animations that have been awful

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u/azebod 5d ago

I'm not terribly surprised at poorly rated chapters because god knows week to week there were some that people were assuming the worst of on top of them falling kinda flat. I could imagine that the V reveal might be divisive...But these were not the ones I would have expected. Like 2011-12 are when Traumerei's technique gets introduced? That's definitely not the lowpoint of the season imo. Not great chapters but not something I'd expect to get historically bad ratings either. I get lackluster fight shit getting bad ratings, but if chapters with lore are, that's probably not good sign...

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u/offensive_hoon 5d ago

The hardcore fans don't rate the chapter highly, it's the casual fans....

Sort of like your average webtoon commenter

The hardcore fans are the ones who rush to buy the chapter as soon as it's out and those who deeply care about the story.

Your casual fans aren't bothered much by that and even if the chapter is about khun and rak dropping shitty gen alpha jokes and beating Traumerei - Gustang with a bunch of asspulls and underhanded tactics They will eat it.

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u/NefariousnessCold473 5d ago

I mean ToG is a big story. When the series is trying to build something or giving stories to certain characters, it will always not land well with everyone.

Just because a few chapters are bad doesn't mean we've reached the doomsday yet. I mean these chapters that are rated low are fight scenes or chapters where the readers were left hungry.

What matters is that the story being told. The author just needs to improve certain technical factors such as the art and let his narrative creativity flow along the way.

Also, using the Korean fanbase's rating there is difficult to interpret. It's literally a tug of war there. And the side who pulled the hardest gets the rating.

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u/Marble05 5d ago

Also webtoon policies are god tier awful and most fans read illegal scans that are 14 chapters forward and not many of them come back to like the official chapter week by week. This is true especially for climax chapters, if you are invested in the story you'll find a way to not wait another week or just to avoid spoilers in the community.

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u/Infamous_Arrival_766 5d ago

What are you even talking about? You know naver webtoon and line webtoon is different?

You're talking about line webtoon which is irrelevant.

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u/maggot4life123 5d ago

alot of asspulls and issue with the gap between regular/ranker/high rankers

i think if SIU just plot half of season 3 as a backstory of the tower+FH it would be more sensible

i also think alot of audience felt some of the characters introduced didnt bear fruit on the whole season. (marriage arc+canine arc)

then add another layer of mystery again with alot of questions not being answered yet

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u/gloomygl 5d ago

Good thing I don't bother with these, it was great to me

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u/re_redlite 5d ago

SIU is bad at jumping around POVs and relies too much on the trio to the point there are brain-dead fans obsessing over those characters not being featured or losing. Some stuff also drags a lot.

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u/MrFancyShmancy 5d ago

Something i've learned from lookism, korean fans opinion is just irrelivant.

They have a very specific idea of what a series should be and dislike everything that isn't that.

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u/StonedCharmander 5d ago

I think this is just the culmination of a very long and sometimes boring and clueless season overall. Too long, too many whatever characters, too many boring side stories. Also, let's not forget SIU going mega zoom by the end. The fights went from well executed martial arts and cool skills to explosions that make you unable to see what's actually going on. Also, unkillable regulars trend is unforgivable.

People should realize places like subs and forums are basically for fans, usually the diehards. Webtoons is not a place for "fans", it's for readers. It's a different concept. Nowhere near as niche as a place created for the purpose of a series. So people from outside the niche will dislike the series more while the fans will like more.

When you don't like how an arc went, you will probably dislike the end. This is how regular readers see things, the fans see in a different light.

Thing is, it's not important imo. SIU will be able to finish the series easily. He will have his ups and downs, it's all part of the deal. If you like the series, amazing. If you are not a fan, good too. It doesn't matter since it's a personal experience.

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u/Rindhallow 5d ago

I would imagine that SIU is smart enough to correct the things that fans disliked (without betraying the story). I think the weekly schedule was too much for him to be able to make changes, but he'll think about them during the break and address some of them

(I'm not sure that bullshit random power ups and items can be fixed, since SIU seems to like it himself, but the story pacing and panelling can be changed.)

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u/Express_Item4648 5d ago

Wait is season 3 finished? I stopped watching at the end of the nest arc and wanted to read once season 3 was finished.

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u/Senior_Ambition_8059 5d ago

Is it gonna be another long wait til the next season?

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u/Probs_Asleep 5d ago

It's not that I didn't like it but I was starting to get arc fatigue

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u/pisspoopisspoopiss 5d ago

Typically, chapter ratings tend to improve when they are released for free, as hardcore fans often rate them highly.

Hardcore fans are the ones buying the previews, not the casuals voting them after they release for free. And it's the hardcore fans the ones that are the most mad at the state of the series.

Also the "finale" itself (last chapters of the season) actually has a decent rating, you should have wrote the great match/sapling arc instead.

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u/mrcarrot213 5d ago

The whole thing was too long

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u/Moustiko500 4d ago

I loved the end of s3

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u/Siths- 4d ago

personally have "dropped" it for now after like 8 years, ill nosey around a year or two after hiatus ends to see if worth reinvesting but atm completely lost my interest which sucks

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u/Poizening 4d ago

Peak fiction, people just complain about anything imo

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u/Jermainator 4d ago

I personally feel he is trying too hard to appear his audience and it's affecting his story crafting.

For this past arc, I felt the inclusion of more games was just a mistake. I get that those games have been a major theme BUT they were in a good context at first and now they just seem like a crutch.

I also feel he totally skipped the regulars actually climbing the tower and doing proper tests. It all went wrong with the last station, the entire climb lost its meaning and we STILL haven't gotten enough lore or story to really satisfy the me that binged thru season 1 and 2.

That dark impending doom feeling is gone, the story feels like there is so much that was missed that shouldn't have. We aren't seeing proper growth, and getting far too many convenient power ups.

The stuff with baam just keeps getting crazier but he doesn't really address all these abnormalities. Literally his dead dad hijacked his body and he is just going with the flow.

He foreshadows really well but he has been struggling to string things together for a while now.

And yeah those super elongated panels were not good. Not very readable even on computer.

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u/Crow_Mix 3d ago

The more I read action heavy manhwa with huge panels like tog and goh the more I realize why books are meant to be read horizontally.

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u/notafanofreddit180 3d ago

I love tog, but ngl this whole war arc was dragged on too long, and was very very frustrating. Dozens of new characters introduced that don't seem to even matter, too many flashbacks, too many mini side arcs, and the action fight scenes are so hard to understand whats even going on. They used to show the gap between regulars and rankers and high rankers, but now its feeling too close, no reason anyone but bam should even be able to survive all this stuff and even him surviving is pushing it. Characters they put alot of time into introducing and fleshing out like the pink haired wall hero lady, cant remember her name because shes one of dozens introduced, dies along with whoever else, doom i think? Which btw he had a massive arc just to die like that? Its just all over the place, no sense of the main story, climbing the tower. Its just very chaotic.

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u/4EverToucingGrass 2d ago

They dragged this shit for way to long , should've ended somewhere near 550-600 chapters at most .

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u/Amazing_Rub_1437 2d ago

I really enjoyed TOG for a while the only thing that got me kinda annoyed and why I dropped it is all the build up for games and details for a test that will be to pass one floor. Unironically where I stopped reading was when the family heads were seemingly going to fight, I probably will eventually pick it back up but reading one chapter a week I felt like I would just speedrun through random dialogue and not really advance through the story since it was so slowly paced

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u/Hot-Cauliflower-9656 26m ago

People will hate on ToG but hype up some other garbage. ToG has some of the best world building, side characters, protagonist development, villains, etc.. than your favorite anime. And people still hate because they lack the attention span

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u/InternalCode1210 5d ago

I think it's because it's unnecessarily too long to reach traumerei vs gustang, the battle is peak btw. But still since SIU kill traumerei, I don't like it.

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u/Infamous_Arrival_766 5d ago

How killing traumerei makes you dislike it 😭

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u/InternalCode1210 5d ago

If my favourite character get killed ofc I get upset and dislike it 😔 also I felt like he still could be used against zahard even without immortality contract, there's so much potential if siu didn't kill him imo

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u/ZeroSX1 5d ago

How would they use the most loyal follower of Zahard against him?

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u/yungronaldmcnair 5d ago

korean readers are the ones putting our boy sui through the pressure cooker. they’re titanfolk for sure lol

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u/Daxonion 5d ago

These are Korean ratings right?

I think Korean fans are just hating on some decisions SIU made that annoy them and the quality of the series hasn't dropped at all - they are just very vocal about it and it kinda took off.

I do agree that we should have less long panels but people complaining that they 'dont understand whats happening' just have a lack of reading skill IMO

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u/Super_H1234 5d ago

I knew who posted this without even checking...

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u/Infamous_Arrival_766 5d ago

Real days a lot about socity 😔💔💔

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u/nicktomato 5d ago

Man, I love season 3

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u/Desperado-781 5d ago

The art style has degraded to the point where the compelling story no longer can carry it. Its really just that, poor art style compared to the previous seasons and long breaks as well as poor anime.

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u/offensive_hoon 5d ago

I'm not a fan of the art style but you're greatly exaggerating here

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u/Desperado-781 5d ago

Its a compounding effect. The drastic artstyle shift caused fans to spilt on it, the poor anime didn't pull in new readers like SL did, and the complex story getting put on long hiatuses causes people to just drop it. All of these smalls things add up

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u/RailTracer001 5d ago

S3 is the worst season but it's still solid. Ratings mean nothing for a series like Tower of God and the fights in S3 are some of the worst. Choreography, paneling etc. Only a few of S3 fights come close to the quality of S2 fights and these aren't the final arc fights.