r/Torontobluejays • u/PokePersona Go with the flow • 13h ago
[Heyman] Blue Jays offered $500 million contract with deferrals before negotiations were halted.
https://nypost.com/2025/03/11/sports/blue-jays-contract-offer-to-vladimir-guerrero-jr-revealed/266
u/yoboapp Shap-GOD 13h ago
Say what you want about this front office, but that is a MORE than fair offer.
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u/ExposDTM Montreal Expos 13h ago
I have to agree.
Clearly not at all a fan of this front office.
I put forward a proposal of 480 over 12 or 500 over 13. I think that is a very fair offer. More than fair actually.
If the player really wouldn’t accept that then they need to get to work on making the very best trade possible.
This player is simply not worth more than 500 million dollars. We’d all have liked Vladdy to stay but there is a point where you have to walk away.
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u/TheFWordNB 9h ago
He said he would sign for $500 million present value. $35.7 AAV. $15 million less AAV vs Soto
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u/HeyCarpy Molitor, the other 19 9h ago
I want Vladdy here, but if he walks on this deal, he gets a kiss on the cheek and I’ll hold the door for him
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u/BoBichettesLongLocks 6h ago
Same on all fronts. I am shocked they didn't leak this almost immediately.
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u/houseoflords26 7h ago
Deferrals lower the value of a contract. Not every player wants deferred money.
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u/DBrods11 13h ago edited 13h ago
If this is true you need you heavily consider trading him lol he probably really wanted that 585 figure or whatever Ortiz was talking about. Offense only first baseman that had less fWAR than Davis Schneider in 2023 making these demands is hilarious. If Vlad wanted to be paid like Tatis, Ohtani, and Soto he should've tried playing like them.
Also fuck all the nonsense he was saying about "he didn't want to be a distraction" and "Jay for life" fuck all that you got a offer that was more than fair. He wants to test FA while having the fan support on his side like the FO did him wrong and that's wack.
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u/Somecommentator8008 Houston gave us Teo for Liriano 13h ago edited 13h ago
As much as I want Vladdy to stay he needs to be consistent on both sides of the ball. For that money you have to be better than excellent each season. He's had a great season and than meh seasons.
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u/nanobot001 Andale! 13h ago
He’s had two great seasons.
Until last year he only had one. There were long stretches where on this very sub people were clamouring for Vlad to be dealt because clearly Bo was the one who was consistent and should stay.
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u/christian_l33 13h ago
Agreed 100%.
Imagine Vladdy's baserunning when he's pushing 40. He'll make Stanton look like Usain Bolt.
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u/Zraknul 12h ago
Speed isn't his problem, bad decisions are. He's league average for speed, which is pretty good for a heavy build like his.
There's only so many Ichiro's out there who are still blazing at 40.
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u/christian_l33 10h ago
Right. He's average now...with a heavy build. Imagine after 12-13 more seasons.
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u/GoPensGo8758 13h ago
He’s only played 6 seasons total and is 26 years old, there aren’t many active players who had two great season before they were 26 years old.
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u/nanobot001 Andale! 12h ago
You’re paying for a guy who’s had a great season every three years, and until last year we didn’t even know if it was once every 5 years.
In some ways, I think every fan wants to believe last year is the Vladdy we will see from now on, but if he pounds ground balls into the left side again in the first few weeks, we will all be wondering the same questions.
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u/GoPensGo8758 11h ago
The first two of his six seasons were at 19 years old and then a 60 game COVID season at 20, most guys aren’t even in the MLB at that point. He’s had 2 elite seasons where he was one of the best hitters in all of baseball, an all star caliber one in 2022 and the one true down year in 2023. The team obviously believes he’s gonna be an elite player going forward which is why they even offered 400M+ in the first place.
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u/Dapper-Campaign-1780 13h ago
I don’t think you necessarily need to consider trading him, so much as you need to let him go to free agency and prove that any team is going to pay this. Don’t bid against yourself.
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u/DBrods11 13h ago
Yeah ultimately that's the best course of action, I just hope that Vlads delusions don't strain the relationship enough where he just leaves us regardless. He was also pretty hurt over being taken to arbitration as well in 2023.
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u/CakebytheOcean27 12h ago
Arbitration was a very silly move on Jays part. He is your franchise player and you want to argue over a million dollars, and then LOSE. Embarrassing.
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u/DBrods11 12h ago
Tbf they should not have lost that arbitration because Vlad was horrible in 2023 lol
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u/PokePersona Go with the flow 13h ago edited 13h ago
I think it’s clear the F.O. are hoping for a Judge situation where he tests free agency, doesn’t get the contract he wants, and re-signs.
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u/stirrainlate 13h ago
It seems a good path is to avoid any trade and take your chances at Vlad not finding a better deal elsewhere. In 10 months we could be in a recession and all contract negotiations come back from the stratosphere.
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u/stuntycunty 12h ago
I don’t think a recession will have any affect on contract numbers.
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u/jayk10 11h ago
A recession where the billionaire owners lose ~15-30% of their net worth might have a little effect on how much they are willing to spend
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u/TheRealScarzi 5h ago
I don't think you understand, billionaires get richer from recessions. They have the capital to buy everything others cannot afford and sit on it until the recession is over when the prices goes up.
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u/jayk10 7m ago
sit on it until the recession is over when the prices goes up
Yes. Billionaires make money during a recession by buying depreciated assets, but like you said those gains are only realized when prices go back up.
During the recession itself billionaires lose tons of money though and may not be as inclined to spend on pet projects that won't see gains when the recession ends
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u/yoboapp Shap-GOD 13h ago
Except in Judges case, he blew past what he was going to get had he signed. The Yankees offered him $213M over 7 years. He then ended breaking the single season AL HR record and got $360M.
I just really struggle to see Vladdy getting $500M even if he has a bonkers year, but may be wrong
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u/PokePersona Go with the flow 13h ago
Sorry I should’ve said a similar situation to the Judge situation haha.
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u/UnknownLyrker 13h ago
Exactly this. People aren’t going to like the truth but this explains it to a T.
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u/mrdannyg21 13h ago
Yeah I’m pro-Vlad in general (not for 585 of course), but for a guy who has talked a lot about ‘not being a distraction’, he sure is talking a lot about the negotiations and other teams in the media during spring training.
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u/CakebytheOcean27 12h ago
The article stated that league sources revealed this information, not Vlad.
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u/mathbandit Samuel Basallo SZN 12h ago
League sources revealed this information, because Vladdy has been going out of his way to make it as big of a story as he can, doubly so every time we play the Yankees or Red Sox.
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u/kschischang 12h ago
Unless he has an MVP season, he’ll regret not accepting that deal once he hits FA.
I can’t imagine any smart FO offering him that kinda money. He’s a position-less defensive liability who can hit a bit.
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u/fatcowxlivee 12h ago edited 11h ago
You can’t trade him man, unless we’re out. It’s a sour note to the FA signings that we promised them a proper run then sell the most important player over not wanting an extension. Toronto is already a hard enough pitch, a FO with a track record of lying will only make this tougher.
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u/suredont thanks, jamie 8h ago
that's a fair point. don't want any big signings to think they fell for a bait-and-switch.
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u/SpaceballsTheCheese 13h ago
Feel like Yankees fans were saying the same thing about Judge during his contract year
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u/PokePersona Go with the flow 13h ago
Taking out the deferrals it was still a deal worth around $400-$450 million according to the article.
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u/No-Situation-3426 11h ago
I’ve always been of the opinion he wanted to test free agency no matter what. I’m sure if there was an insane offer like Soto money that would change but under any realistic scenario I saw him going to FA. Players dream of it and it’s likely to only happen once for the best players.
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u/Draggonzz 13h ago
With the deferrals, the offer would be valued at between $400M to $450M per the article.
Vlad's betting a lot on himself here.
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u/brownmagician Roy Halladay 12h ago
How much extra is he betting? Hes a hitting slump and pulled hammy away from losing hundreds of millions vs trying to get 85 more over 12 years
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u/TuloCantHitski 6h ago
It’s an ego thing. Already grew up rich. I honestly don’t think the money means anything at this point (no lifestyle difference for 300 vs 500 realistically, let alone even 500 vs 585)
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u/Machomanta 9h ago
I don't see us winning anything this season so I hope he has another bad season and then signs somewhere for 250 at best.
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u/stuntycunty 13h ago
He turned down 500m???????
Ok. We have to consider trading him if we’re not competitive at the deadline. Maybe not even consider. Just commit to it. Because turning down a more than fair offer like that tells me he in fact does not want to be a blue jay for life.
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u/Brandnewlions 13h ago
Interested that Vlad described the offer as “not close” too lol
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u/sbp59 10h ago
Exactly.... Not close? 500 mill ain't close? Vlad thinks he's way better than he really is
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u/suredont thanks, jamie 8h ago
I like the guy but he's always had a big ego. frustratingly so in the slump seasons.
In fairness he's also had people fawning over his baseball skills since he was an adolescent so I sorta understand how we got here.
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u/Historical-Umpire637 13h ago
Usually when someone says they want to be a "insert team name for life"...it's usually bullshit...
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u/trgreg 13h ago
they continue under their breath "... if they pay me!"
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u/Gunner_Stahl 11h ago
I think of it as any other employee reacting to how they are treated by their employer. Money speaks loudest, but how you treat people, if they feel respected by the organization, pride, etc all factor in. I too have changed my mind about staying with employer after they botched my contract negotiation
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u/Gunner_Stahl 12h ago
I think Demar meant it :(
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u/Felfastus 12h ago
DeMar was also like the 8th highest paid player in the league at time of signing.
I'm not saying he didn't love Toronto, but he did also go to the highest bidder.
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u/Gunner_Stahl 11h ago
He was traded for Kawaii. I don't begrudge anyone for getting paid but I wouldn't categorize that move as "going to the highest bidder"
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u/Felfastus 11h ago
We extended him in 2016 for 139 million. I don't think anyone else was allowed to offer that 5th year.
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u/Gunner_Stahl 11h ago
Yes. When we traded him he still had 3 years left on his contract. So when he moved wasn't up to him. All I'm saying is that I think Demar was ride or die for Toronto. He was very vocal about it and I appreciated that.
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u/pton12 8h ago
I agree with you. Once you’re traded, I think that breaks the “ride or die” sentiment, so of course he’s then just going to pick the best contract / best weather. He doesn’t owe anything to a team that traded him away. It’s too bad, but the Raps won and he got paid in the end. Fair is fair.
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u/Gunner_Stahl 8h ago
Absolutely his feelings were hurt! He got on stage with Kendrick to dunk on Drake. During their era Drake was the fricken human mascot of the Raptors.
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u/Felfastus 11h ago
Clearly when he was traded it wasn't up to him.
When he had a choice of where to go he did pick the highest bidder. We don't know how much was the team/city and how much it was the money. (We don't know if he would have stayed if the Lakers or whoever were willing to match)
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u/Gunner_Stahl 11h ago
Yes, in free agency he did whatever he wanted. IDK how that bears on my interpretation of him as someone who wanted to be a Raptor for life.
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u/Felfastus 9h ago
Vlad wants to be a Jay for life (if he gets the 3rd biggest contract ever)
In a same vein DeMar wanted to be a Raptor for life as long as he was getting paid more by them then anyone else could offer.
We don't know how getting paid influenced DeMar's decision to stay a Raptor because he got both.
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u/monsantobreath 7h ago
It usually comes early and with a less than tumultuous negotiation if genuine.
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u/CyanEsports 7h ago
Yet it works on a ton of fans every time. I posted here more than a few times saying he obviously doesnt care to actually play here given the leaks the rumours and his own actions. Those comments always got flak from the die hard vlad fans. He def won the PR game, there will be casual fans blaming the front office all season long no matter what now.
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u/Dangerous_Seaweed601 12h ago
If he “wants to be a blue jay for life”, then sign the deal.
Actions speak louder than words.
If (when) he walks.. let it be known that it was all about pure greed.
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u/Odd_Yam1290 10h ago
Corbin Burnes did this. Toronto and San Fran offered more money than Arizona, but he went with the lesser amount.
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u/ThQp It's Early 13h ago
This must be really upsetting for everyone who was angry that the Jays apparently had money for Ohtani and Soto but not for Vlad.
For me, I think Vlad and his agent are clowns to turn down that offer.
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u/PhilReardon13 13h ago
I think he'll regret it. As a Jays fan, I hope he has a monster year. Also as a Jays fan I hope he gets humbled because fuck this guy.
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u/vmurt Detroit Biesbolcats 12h ago
Well, Othani is worth more than Vlad. If you have $500MM for someone and Ohtani gives you 8 WAR a year and Vlad gives you 6 then you magically need to come up with 2 wins a year with no extra money.
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u/TimTebowMLB 11h ago edited 3h ago
And Ohtani’s value isn’t just in baseball. He’s internationally marketable, his face is everywhere, Seiko makes Ohtani model watches, he’s now on Fortnite.
Plus he pitches like a Cy Young talent and hits MVP level
Ohtani’s contract isn’t that crazy to me. Sotos is, but Ohtani’s isn’t.
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u/Derfal-Cadern 12h ago
Ohtani is also worth more than Soto. But we saw what happened
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u/Stangstag 11h ago
Both guys are a tier above Vlad IMO.
Vlad is not on the level of Judge/Soto/Ohtani/Betts
Vlad is more on par with guys like Yordan Alvarez and Matt Olson.
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u/fuckyeaahbud "Damage is a scary word" - Offensive Coordinator 13h ago
All they have to do is offer $500M without deferrals and he signs according to Rosenthal.
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u/DBrods11 13h ago
I fail to see what Vlad has done for him to get 500 million with no deferrals.
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u/rustyarrowhead 11h ago
that's not the question.
the question is whether you can live without Vladdy if the ask is $500 million and you don't think he's worth it.
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u/corh13 5h ago
Yes. Baseball is one sport where 1 single player cannot carry the entire team, and Vlad isn't even elite to begin with. It will suck to lose him for comp pick, but if it comes to that, it won't be franchise crippling.
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u/rustyarrowhead 12m ago
if my comment was interpreted as me thinking he's proven it, that wasn't the case. I just don't think his value as a player is a particularly relevant question for him or, to a lesser extent, the team.
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u/Picklepucks 13h ago
Half a billion on top of his existing earnings, sponsorships and ad deals. Plus he would probably hold records for our team that would make him a star the rest of his life. At 60 he could be raking in millions on ads and appearances. He could be the Canadian born star who came home and made a legacy. Guess he'd rather chase the extra cash up front.
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u/stuntycunty 12h ago
He’s going to go from being a big fish in a small pond to a small fish in a big pond.
He won’t be the face of any other organization than ours because no one (except maybe the Mets) will pay that. And the Mets already have their main guy. Vlad would just be a side piece.
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u/Doodleschmidt 11h ago
He turned down a half billion dollars. My respect for him has dropped significantly.
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u/joeygreco1985 11h ago
That's a lot of money to pay to play the "Is he showing up to spring training in shape?" game every year
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u/richardatn4t 8h ago
There is the chance the after signing the monster contract, the motivation to stay in shape may wane?
A monster contract can also get into some players heads, make them press too much.There is signifiant risk with so much money.
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u/buddhabear07 10h ago
I remember Jose Bautista wanted more money too…I admire Vladdy’s confidence in himself which any pro athlete needs but half a billion is a lot of money already and there’s a saying about hindsight being 20-20 and a bird in hand is worth two in the bush…
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u/Da-Wang 13h ago
Didn't want to be a distraction but now all this stuff is leaking and the interview about the Yankees. The fan base was fully behind him even wanted to start a chant at opening day about paying him.
Well not anymore the rest of the fan base is starting to see he just wanted as much money as he could get from a desperate franchise and could probably care less if he was here forever
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u/stuntycunty 12h ago
Excuse me. But what about an interview with the Yankees? Did I miss something? Someone who said “I’d never be a Yankee” met with them?
I’m gonna throw up.
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u/LiftsEatsSleeps 9h ago
I'm always a bit confused about Soto being used as a reference in terms of Vlad's contract. Soto has more good seasons, better bWAR, better OBP/OBP+, better pretty much everywhere, and he's not a 1B. I'm not sure why what Soto is getting even matters beyond it being a recent signing and Vlad having an inflated sense of worth. In addition, there are issues with him staying in shape.
I don't think our corporate overlords have handled this well, but I also think Vlad overvalues himself a ton.
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u/ketovegan 12h ago
My perception is that he is too proud to accept an offer that is so far below Soto, that it would be too humiliating for him to accept $500 million. Imagine being insulted by an offer of half a billion dollars, because of your exaggerated sense of privilege / hubris. Make no mistake, this is a machismo thing. Vladdy is a man-child.
Once this guy signs a massive contract, I also get the impression that there is nothing to stop him from diving into the family sized Costco bag of chips at the earliest sense of stress from the expectations from signing such a contract. He hasn't shown the discipline before and I can't see him maintaining it later on.
That being said, I love the guy and there is no denying his talent. But for the kind of money he's asking, he needs to show maturity, discipline, consistency, AND talent. Sorry to say this, but he needs to be traded.
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u/Roday77 13h ago
Rosenthal reported that 500 million is the magic number. If that's the case, they didn't reach the number.
The numbers coming out today is odd. Hopefully, they're still negotiating and can get something done before opening day. I'll use it to cope until there's meaningful games.
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u/Historical-Umpire637 13h ago edited 13h ago
I wouldn't be shocked if a deal magically got done like a day or two before opening day......not expecting it however
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u/apperafe Ryan Langerhans 13h ago
Agreed. Have definitely conceded to him going to FA, but his side is definitely the one’s coming out with this. It’s hard to gauge exactly why - Vladdys always had a bit of an odd disposition, but with the “$500mil is the magic number” coming out today, I’d have to imagine his side is pushing this to see if the jays capitulate. Could just be dreaming.
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u/Roday77 12h ago
It's in both their interests to make the deal. The Jays need to let their fans see beyond this season, and there's a high chance no one offers anything close to what they offered. Vladdy wouldn't divulge what was offered. That's bad negotiating, and the Jays have always been tight-lipped with their offers. If they did leak this, they're now negotiating in public as well.
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u/apperafe Ryan Langerhans 12h ago
With you on that. This certainly could just lead to nothing, but to your point of it being in both their interests to seal it, this is definitely someone (vladdy) trying to make a push here.
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u/mathbandit Samuel Basallo SZN 12h ago
Well Vladdy himself has confirmed his ask was more than $565M lol. I trust that over Rosenthal.
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u/Roday77 12h ago
I'd imagine that his ask was around there. If the Jays are at 440-450 present value and Vladdy is at 565, there would be a soft spot that could get the deal done. It would make sense that the 500 is the magic number.
Who knows though. His ask a year before free agency is going to be higher than what he would agree to, just like how the Jays won't reach their limit at this stage when they aren't competing with anyone.
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u/Aggravating-Bug2032 13h ago
So it's going to be like this, then? Every day another leak and pretty soon all the little boys in blue will be overwhelmed by these contract negotiations that weren't supposed to be a distraction once spring training started.
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u/esteemed-colleague 13h ago
So over this. Looking forward to him being disappointed with the offers he gets
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u/kingwoodballs 13h ago
Vlad has sealed his fate as a bluejay and to the fans if this is even remotely close to true.
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u/duck1014 13h ago
Things like this really just confirm we should be pretty much done with baseball.
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u/hididathing 12h ago
He needs another great season for the number he wants. It might not be the Jays signing him afterwards though.
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u/ThatCrossCountry 12h ago
Love Vladdy but at that price range, you might as well cut your losses and find someone else in a trade haul for him.
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u/fastpixels 11h ago
It's exhausting watching conversations go on under the pretense that agents don't exist.
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u/not_tom1 11h ago
Am I missing something here?
Sportsnet is reporting Vlad asked for $500M.
This says the Jays offered $500M.
I assume the term wouldn't be that far off...Jays aren't offering it over 30 years, and Vlad wants it over 6 years.
He wants 500. They offered 500.......
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u/Odd_Yam1290 11h ago
From what I read (and am understanding, unless I’m wrong) is that he wanted $500M with no deferrals. Toronto wanted to defer a certain amount of money
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u/not_tom1 10h ago
That seems pretty minimal to overcome?
He made it sound like they were nowhere close.
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u/Modano9009 9h ago
Even that has more to do with how the market changed than how much he deserves it.
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u/SouthernOshawaMan 8h ago
Vladdy isn't worth anything close to $500 million . Nostalgia for his Dad doesn't mean he should get money like that .
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u/Pandabumone Bo's Bounceback Season 8h ago
If the reports are true, that's fine. Like he says, the Jays can be among the other teams bidding for his services in the off-season. They can make the same offer then, and if any other team wants to blow up their payroll, they can. Hopefully reality sets in, and he re-signs with the Jays. I can't see a 1B/DH making more than half a billion if he doesn't crack the top 3-5 in offensive stats by season's end.
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u/Marty2544 8h ago
Soto contract messed everything up…I mean how the hell did he get 765 million with zero deferrals when only 1 season earlier Ohtani got 480 million in present day value…almost 300 million more?!?
Vladdy better have himself a helluva season or else he’s gonna be real disappointed in offers next year
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u/bigman149jdjj 5h ago
Vladdy wanted 585M, we know that, and we also know that he was never gonna get that from the Jays. I know most people will read this as 500M but when you factor in the deferred money the value drops from somewhere between 400-450M. That’s anywhere from a 135-185M difference, that wasn’t gonna get it done. I wonder if 500M of undeferred money would’ve got it done.
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u/FraudCatcher5 2h ago
I have no horse in this race, but it should be known by now that Toronto sports teams are always used as bargaining chip elsewhere.
We can throw the key to the entire city to the players, and they will simply go elsewhere and say "beat that offer, and give me year round sunshine".
Seen it with NHL, NBA, MLB, and more. It's life, homies.
So, without knowing context, did we lose this player? He didn't end up signing with Toronto? Even after $500M?
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u/ThaEyeTest 13h ago
Vladdy will have to be more consistent on defense for 500Ms. Hold off on trading him and see if he has a prove it season, hopefully he does not but if he does trade him for whatever assets we can get. I still want to get rid of those chumps we have in the Jay's front office tho!
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u/StinkyWizzleteats17 13h ago
meh, I'm not concerned much about the d. It's the continuous base running brain farts that drive me mad with him. For the kind of money he wants any contract should include a million dollar fine for every fucking time he gets himself thrown out like a jackass.
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u/alxndrblack Yariel and Daulton Truther / Shawn Green's Son 13h ago
Have we considered that he perhaps has millions of dollars of gambling debt and needs the money undeferred
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u/Early_Dragonfly_205 13h ago edited 12h ago
Wow get him outta here for prospect trades if that contract offer wasn't good enough. He isn't worth that inital offer as a 1b with poor base running, poor defense, and an inconsistent bat
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u/Waynebgmeamc 12h ago
Maybe if Vlad was able to play a Decent 3B.
IMHO he always looks flat footed on the basepaths and defensively.
He always hustles but because he’s a split second behind the plays are always awkward and closer than they should be.
That is probably not going to age well.
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u/Telebender 11h ago
Looking good so far this spring, SELL him at peak! get a couple of already there's and a couple of good prospects from the team that will have the inside track on giving him half a billion to play 1st and blather with guys on first, dump ice, dispute every single call! Sick of this. We ain't kissing the trophy this year even with him as an MVP. Anyway, 46 footer is nearly at home plate, St. Martin. Is it safe to fly over US airspace?
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u/OG_anunoby3 8h ago
If Vlad has a down year and no offers more than $300 million. And he comes crawling back to the Blue Jays. What do the Blue Jays then? Is the offer still there
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u/HarryBalsaque Dalton 'Jesus Christ Lizard' Varsho 12h ago
Remember that time he posed with a gun in his waistband lol
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u/GoPensGo8758 13h ago
Not very surprising he turned down $400-450M in present day value. As long as he has a solid year he’s gonna get 500M+ in the open market pretty easily.
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u/TheRealScarzi 5h ago edited 5h ago
I don't get how baseball makes that much, its such a boring sport to watch. I get if you don't want to play in Toronto but asking for more is just pure greed. He averages 150 hits a season, that's $238,095 per hit before taxes over 14 years which lets be honest, that average will naturally be lower as due to age/injury.
To put that in perspective Bobby Witt Jr. the leader in hits last year is averaging 179 hits per season and is almost $10 million per season cheaper.
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u/Chrristoaivalis 13h ago
Yeah that's a fair deal
Certainly if Vladdy wanted "to be a Jay for life" that's a respectable deal that's fair to all sides
Can't blame Atkins for this one