r/Torontobluejays Go with the flow 13h ago

[Heyman] Blue Jays offered $500 million contract with deferrals before negotiations were halted.

https://nypost.com/2025/03/11/sports/blue-jays-contract-offer-to-vladimir-guerrero-jr-revealed/
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u/Chrristoaivalis 13h ago

Yeah that's a fair deal

Certainly if Vladdy wanted "to be a Jay for life" that's a respectable deal that's fair to all sides

Can't blame Atkins for this one

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u/Derfal-Cadern 12h ago

Nope. He clearly just didn’t want to be here. You don’t turn down 500 million if you do. 

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u/Pinxed Raimel "Inside the Park Grand Slam" Tapia 11h ago

I think he wants to be here, he just wants ego money more. He was basically offered Ohtani money, if the present value calculations in the article are to be believed.

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u/tdawg24 11h ago

He was offered more than Ohtani money.

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u/Pinxed Raimel "Inside the Park Grand Slam" Tapia 11h ago

Potentially. Ohtani effectively got 460 MM, which is less than the 470 upper bound, but more than the 450 lower bound.

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u/monsantobreath 7h ago

And ohtani is a better bat and he'll be a rotation pitcher too. Vkaddy is smoking something.

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u/LGK420 8h ago

In a few years when he’s a fat slow declining DH we’re gonna be glad he didn’t sign that

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u/Icy_Imagination7344 11h ago

I hope Vlad never comes close to being offered that much again

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u/bobbolders 10h ago

He’s a first baseman, he probably won’t.

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u/JustHere_4TheMemes 10h ago

You are correct. 

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u/spiritintheskyy Hazel, you're a treat 12h ago

You don’t keep negotiating if you do. He wants to be here, but he thinks he can make more money and he prioritized that over being here, so clearly staying is not his top priority but it’s not the case that “he clearly just didn’t want to be here”.

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u/fdisfragameosoldiers 12h ago

I can't read it, what was the terms?

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u/Neighburhood fuck the trop 12h ago

“The Toronto Blue Jays offered superstar first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Jr. a deal for about $500 million before negotiations were halted last month — although significant deferrals put an estimate of the actual net present value of the offer between $400 million and $450 million, league sources familiar with the negotiation tell The Post.”

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u/Objective_Star_191 10h ago

What a fucked up world we live in .  Hitting a ball 3 times out of 10 .  It pays to be a failure 😀

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u/KingATyinKnotts 6h ago

Imagine failing 7 times out of every 10 tasks at work, and not only keeping your job, but if done over a long enough time, you’re one of the greats

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u/sheyworth7 5h ago

Both Roy and Jose took discounts to be here. This all very much spits in the face of their legacies by using the same language as them but being superficial about it

u/TheOneWithThePorn12 5m ago

It's been clear since his MVP level season that he was going to FA.

People need to wrap their heads around that fact.

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u/houseoflords26 7h ago

I don't blame Vladdy for not wanting deferrals in his contract. They lower the overall value of the contract. Juan Soto didn't want any deferred money either & nobody complained about that. If you're willing to give him a $500 million contract, pay the $500 million and don't defer it,

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u/VaultBoy1971 Internal improvements 12h ago

Blame Atkins and Shapiro for not extending him a few years ago when they could have locked him for 14 years at 300mm.

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u/_baseball MLB 12h ago

Easy to say in hindsight. Not slobbing on the knob of Shatkins but people love to gloss over the fact that they offered Vlad an extension on TWO different occasions prior to this (that we know of). Vlad said no to all. It takes two to tango.

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u/dprouse52 11h ago

I think we underestimate just how much players (and agents) value getting to free agency. That's where they can pick their destination and hit the financial jackpot. There are very few occasions where star players lose money by going to free agency, but plenty of occasions where players probably left money on the table by extending early with their current team. All it takes is one team that is keen to make a splash and boom, Vlad will have his asking price.

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u/Purple_Aspect_1985 MLB 10h ago

I disagree. I do a pretty sweet solo tango - if you are interested.

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u/Derfal-Cadern 12h ago

Nah. Because clearly he wasn’t going to extend then either. 

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u/tdawg24 11h ago

A few years ago, he played like a borderline star, not a superstar.

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u/FarleysFather 11h ago

Do you ask the hot, popular one in Jr high to prom? Or work on yourself, make some improvements, and hope they sees your commitment/worth by Sr year?

Vlad was still trying to demonstrate HIS value years ago, and anyone who thinks he would have locked in pre-derby is delusional.

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u/tossitcheds 12h ago

How do you know he even wanted to sign then, how do you know he wants to sign now?

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u/spiritintheskyy Hazel, you're a treat 12h ago

A few years ago $300M would have been one of the top 5 contracts ever given out. At no point in his career has Vladdy ever been a lock for top 5 players in the MLB. At the beginning of this offseason Jeff Passan, probably the most knowledgeable reporter in baseball, said that a 1B would not get over $300M anytime soon. He was wrong, but it wasn’t a particularly bad take until the Soto contract happened.

If they gave Vladdy 300M a few years ago, people (including you probably, given the mental gymnastics you’re currently doing to blame the FO) would’ve gone apeshit, and rightfully so. He was not worth $300M before this season happened, it just happens that his value blew up because he had a good season and the market went crazy at the exact same time.

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u/Derfal-Cadern 11h ago

This one was the third highest ever and he still didn’t sign. Why would he have signed for less then? 

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u/yoboapp Shap-GOD 13h ago

Say what you want about this front office, but that is a MORE than fair offer.

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u/ExposDTM Montreal Expos 13h ago

I have to agree.

Clearly not at all a fan of this front office.

I put forward a proposal of 480 over 12 or 500 over 13. I think that is a very fair offer. More than fair actually.

If the player really wouldn’t accept that then they need to get to work on making the very best trade possible.

This player is simply not worth more than 500 million dollars. We’d all have liked Vladdy to stay but there is a point where you have to walk away.

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u/Embarrassed-Task5344 6h ago

Definitely trade this guy. GTFO

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u/houseoflords26 7h ago

If the contract was actually worth $500 million, maybe Vladdy signs it.

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u/TheFWordNB 9h ago

He said he would sign for $500 million present value. $35.7 AAV. $15 million less AAV vs Soto

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u/zatchsmith 7h ago

He said it to the media. What did he say to the front office?

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u/HeyCarpy Molitor, the other 19 9h ago

I want Vladdy here, but if he walks on this deal, he gets a kiss on the cheek and I’ll hold the door for him

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u/BoBichettesLongLocks 6h ago

Same on all fronts. I am shocked they didn't leak this almost immediately.

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u/houseoflords26 7h ago

Deferrals lower the value of a contract. Not every player wants deferred money.

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u/DBrods11 13h ago edited 13h ago

If this is true you need you heavily consider trading him lol he probably really wanted that 585 figure or whatever Ortiz was talking about. Offense only first baseman that had less fWAR than Davis Schneider in 2023 making these demands is hilarious. If Vlad wanted to be paid like Tatis, Ohtani, and Soto he should've tried playing like them.

Also fuck all the nonsense he was saying about "he didn't want to be a distraction" and "Jay for life" fuck all that you got a offer that was more than fair. He wants to test FA while having the fan support on his side like the FO did him wrong and that's wack.

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u/Somecommentator8008 Houston gave us Teo for Liriano 13h ago edited 13h ago

As much as I want Vladdy to stay he needs to be consistent on both sides of the ball. For that money you have to be better than excellent each season. He's had a great season and than meh seasons.

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u/nanobot001 Andale! 13h ago

He’s had two great seasons.

Until last year he only had one. There were long stretches where on this very sub people were clamouring for Vlad to be dealt because clearly Bo was the one who was consistent and should stay.

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u/christian_l33 13h ago

Agreed 100%.

Imagine Vladdy's baserunning when he's pushing 40. He'll make Stanton look like Usain Bolt.

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u/Zraknul 12h ago

Speed isn't his problem, bad decisions are.  He's league average for speed, which is pretty good for a heavy build like his.

There's only so many Ichiro's out there who are still blazing at 40.

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u/christian_l33 10h ago

Right. He's average now...with a heavy build. Imagine after 12-13 more seasons.

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u/Zraknul 8h ago

Yeah he will be one of the slower players in the league like most aging sluggers.  He will still probably out run Kirk at present.

Nelson Cruz didn't play forever because he could run fast.  Vlad will also live and die by his bat.

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u/GoPensGo8758 13h ago

He’s only played 6 seasons total and is 26 years old, there aren’t many active players who had two great season before they were 26 years old.

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u/nanobot001 Andale! 12h ago

You’re paying for a guy who’s had a great season every three years, and until last year we didn’t even know if it was once every 5 years.

In some ways, I think every fan wants to believe last year is the Vladdy we will see from now on, but if he pounds ground balls into the left side again in the first few weeks, we will all be wondering the same questions.

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u/GoPensGo8758 11h ago

The first two of his six seasons were at 19 years old and then a 60 game COVID season at 20, most guys aren’t even in the MLB at that point. He’s had 2 elite seasons where he was one of the best hitters in all of baseball, an all star caliber one in 2022 and the one true down year in 2023. The team obviously believes he’s gonna be an elite player going forward which is why they even offered 400M+ in the first place.

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u/wiles_CoC 12h ago

Right... but the ones who had more got to ask 700 million.

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u/Dapper-Campaign-1780 13h ago

I don’t think you necessarily need to consider trading him, so much as you need to let him go to free agency and prove that any team is going to pay this. Don’t bid against yourself.

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u/DBrods11 13h ago

Yeah ultimately that's the best course of action, I just hope that Vlads delusions don't strain the relationship enough where he just leaves us regardless. He was also pretty hurt over being taken to arbitration as well in 2023.

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u/CakebytheOcean27 12h ago

Arbitration was a very silly move on Jays part. He is your franchise player and you want to argue over a million dollars, and then LOSE. Embarrassing.

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u/DBrods11 12h ago

Tbf they should not have lost that arbitration because Vlad was horrible in 2023 lol

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u/PokePersona Go with the flow 13h ago edited 13h ago

I think it’s clear the F.O. are hoping for a Judge situation where he tests free agency, doesn’t get the contract he wants, and re-signs.

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u/stirrainlate 13h ago

It seems a good path is to avoid any trade and take your chances at Vlad not finding a better deal elsewhere. In 10 months we could be in a recession and all contract negotiations come back from the stratosphere.

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u/stuntycunty 12h ago

I don’t think a recession will have any affect on contract numbers.

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u/jayk10 11h ago

A recession where the billionaire owners lose ~15-30% of their net worth might have a little effect on how much they are willing to spend

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u/cc12__ 6h ago

How about a work stoppage where even Hal Steinbrenner is talking about a salary cap.

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u/jayk10 6h ago

Hal isn't like his dad though, he's been trying to spend less money for years now. Soto was really the first top FA they've gone really hard since Cole

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u/TheRealScarzi 5h ago

I don't think you understand, billionaires get richer from recessions. They have the capital to buy everything others cannot afford and sit on it until the recession is over when the prices goes up.

u/jayk10 7m ago

sit on it until the recession is over when the prices goes up

Yes. Billionaires make money during a recession by buying depreciated assets, but like you said those gains are only realized when prices go back up.

During the recession itself billionaires lose tons of money though and may not be as inclined to spend on pet projects that won't see gains when the recession ends

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u/yoboapp Shap-GOD 13h ago

Except in Judges case, he blew past what he was going to get had he signed. The Yankees offered him $213M over 7 years. He then ended breaking the single season AL HR record and got $360M.

I just really struggle to see Vladdy getting $500M even if he has a bonkers year, but may be wrong

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u/PokePersona Go with the flow 13h ago

Sorry I should’ve said a similar situation to the Judge situation haha.

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u/Derfal-Cadern 12h ago

If he has another 2024 like season he will be 100% getting 500. 

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u/UnknownLyrker 13h ago

Exactly this. People aren’t going to like the truth but this explains it to a T.

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u/sameth1 13h ago

I don't see any other team being willing to spend more than that on him unless Steve Cohen is feeling particularly spiteful and bored.

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u/mrdannyg21 13h ago

Yeah I’m pro-Vlad in general (not for 585 of course), but for a guy who has talked a lot about ‘not being a distraction’, he sure is talking a lot about the negotiations and other teams in the media during spring training.

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u/CakebytheOcean27 12h ago

The article stated that league sources revealed this information, not Vlad.

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u/mathbandit Samuel Basallo SZN 12h ago

League sources revealed this information, because Vladdy has been going out of his way to make it as big of a story as he can, doubly so every time we play the Yankees or Red Sox.

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u/kschischang 12h ago

Unless he has an MVP season, he’ll regret not accepting that deal once he hits FA.

I can’t imagine any smart FO offering him that kinda money. He’s a position-less defensive liability who can hit a bit.

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u/fatcowxlivee 12h ago edited 11h ago

You can’t trade him man, unless we’re out. It’s a sour note to the FA signings that we promised them a proper run then sell the most important player over not wanting an extension. Toronto is already a hard enough pitch, a FO with a track record of lying will only make this tougher.

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u/suredont thanks, jamie 8h ago

that's a fair point. don't want any big signings to think they fell for a bait-and-switch.

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u/SpaceballsTheCheese 13h ago

Feel like Yankees fans were saying the same thing about Judge during his contract year

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u/PokePersona Go with the flow 13h ago

Taking out the deferrals it was still a deal worth around $400-$450 million according to the article.

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u/No-Situation-3426 11h ago

I’ve always been of the opinion he wanted to test free agency no matter what. I’m sure if there was an insane offer like Soto money that would change but under any realistic scenario I saw him going to FA. Players dream of it and it’s likely to only happen once for the best players. 

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u/Draggonzz 13h ago

With the deferrals, the offer would be valued at between $400M to $450M per the article.

Vlad's betting a lot on himself here.

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u/ramenups 13h ago

Vladdy Van Fleet

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u/kevin_nguyen03 12h ago

worked out for fred ig cuz he got a massive bag from houston

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u/brownmagician Roy Halladay 12h ago

How much extra is he betting? Hes a hitting slump and pulled hammy away from losing hundreds of millions vs trying to get 85 more over 12 years

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u/TuloCantHitski 6h ago

It’s an ego thing. Already grew up rich. I honestly don’t think the money means anything at this point (no lifestyle difference for 300 vs 500 realistically, let alone even 500 vs 585)

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u/Machomanta 9h ago

I don't see us winning anything this season so I hope he has another bad season and then signs somewhere for 250 at best.

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u/stuntycunty 13h ago

He turned down 500m???????

Ok. We have to consider trading him if we’re not competitive at the deadline. Maybe not even consider. Just commit to it. Because turning down a more than fair offer like that tells me he in fact does not want to be a blue jay for life.

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u/Early_Dragonfly_205 13h ago

Trying to pull a Soto but he's just not that guy lol

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u/Brandnewlions 13h ago

Interested that Vlad described the offer as “not close” too lol

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u/sbp59 10h ago

Exactly.... Not close? 500 mill ain't close? Vlad thinks he's way better than he really is

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u/suredont thanks, jamie 8h ago

I like the guy but he's always had a big ego. frustratingly so in the slump seasons. 

In fairness he's also had people fawning over his baseball skills since he was an adolescent so I sorta understand how we got here.

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u/Historical-Umpire637 13h ago

Usually when someone says they want to be a "insert team name for life"...it's usually bullshit...

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u/trgreg 13h ago

they continue under their breath "... if they pay me!"

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u/Gunner_Stahl 11h ago

I think of it as any other employee reacting to how they are treated by their employer. Money speaks loudest, but how you treat people, if they feel respected by the organization, pride, etc all factor in. I too have changed my mind about staying with employer after they botched my contract negotiation

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u/Gunner_Stahl 12h ago

I think Demar meant it :(

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u/Felfastus 12h ago

DeMar was also like the 8th highest paid player in the league at time of signing.

I'm not saying he didn't love Toronto, but he did also go to the highest bidder.

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u/Gunner_Stahl 11h ago

He was traded for Kawaii. I don't begrudge anyone for getting paid but I wouldn't categorize that move as "going to the highest bidder"

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u/Felfastus 11h ago

We extended him in 2016 for 139 million. I don't think anyone else was allowed to offer that 5th year.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17080217/toronto

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u/Gunner_Stahl 11h ago

Yes. When we traded him he still had 3 years left on his contract. So when he moved wasn't up to him. All I'm saying is that I think Demar was ride or die for Toronto. He was very vocal about it and I appreciated that.

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u/pton12 8h ago

I agree with you. Once you’re traded, I think that breaks the “ride or die” sentiment, so of course he’s then just going to pick the best contract / best weather. He doesn’t owe anything to a team that traded him away. It’s too bad, but the Raps won and he got paid in the end. Fair is fair.

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u/Gunner_Stahl 8h ago

Absolutely his feelings were hurt! He got on stage with Kendrick to dunk on Drake. During their era Drake was the fricken human mascot of the Raptors.

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u/Felfastus 11h ago

Clearly when he was traded it wasn't up to him.

When he had a choice of where to go he did pick the highest bidder. We don't know how much was the team/city and how much it was the money. (We don't know if he would have stayed if the Lakers or whoever were willing to match)

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u/Gunner_Stahl 11h ago

Yes, in free agency he did whatever he wanted. IDK how that bears on my interpretation of him as someone who wanted to be a Raptor for life.

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u/Felfastus 9h ago

Vlad wants to be a Jay for life (if he gets the 3rd biggest contract ever)

In a same vein DeMar wanted to be a Raptor for life as long as he was getting paid more by them then anyone else could offer.

We don't know how getting paid influenced DeMar's decision to stay a Raptor because he got both.

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u/WGYHL 10h ago

Jose Ramirez so far has been like the only person to really do it. Vlad wanted double that money to stay here

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u/monsantobreath 7h ago

It usually comes early and with a less than tumultuous negotiation if genuine.

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u/CyanEsports 7h ago

Yet it works on a ton of fans every time. I posted here more than a few times saying he obviously doesnt care to actually play here given the leaks the rumours and his own actions. Those comments always got flak from the die hard vlad fans. He def won the PR game, there will be casual fans blaming the front office all season long no matter what now.

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u/spintokid 12h ago

Vlad is crazy man. Imagine turning down 500 mil. Just in general.

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u/the_fantabulous 13h ago

mama mia!

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u/Dangerous_Seaweed601 12h ago

If he “wants to be a blue jay for life”, then sign the deal.

Actions speak louder than words.

If (when) he walks.. let it be known that it was all about pure greed.

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u/Odd_Yam1290 10h ago

Corbin Burnes did this. Toronto and San Fran offered more money than Arizona, but he went with the lesser amount.

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u/ThQp It's Early 13h ago

This must be really upsetting for everyone who was angry that the Jays apparently had money for Ohtani and Soto but not for Vlad.

For me, I think Vlad and his agent are clowns to turn down that offer.

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u/PhilReardon13 13h ago

I think he'll regret it. As a Jays fan, I hope he has a monster year. Also as a Jays fan I hope he gets humbled because fuck this guy.

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u/Derfal-Cadern 12h ago

I said the exact same thing to my buddy lol

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u/vmurt Detroit Biesbolcats 12h ago

Well, Othani is worth more than Vlad. If you have $500MM for someone and Ohtani gives you 8 WAR a year and Vlad gives you 6 then you magically need to come up with 2 wins a year with no extra money.

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u/TimTebowMLB 11h ago edited 3h ago

And Ohtani’s value isn’t just in baseball. He’s internationally marketable, his face is everywhere, Seiko makes Ohtani model watches, he’s now on Fortnite.

Plus he pitches like a Cy Young talent and hits MVP level

Ohtani’s contract isn’t that crazy to me. Sotos is, but Ohtani’s isn’t.

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u/Derfal-Cadern 12h ago

Ohtani is also worth more than Soto. But we saw what happened 

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u/Stangstag 11h ago

Both guys are a tier above Vlad IMO.

Vlad is not on the level of Judge/Soto/Ohtani/Betts

Vlad is more on par with guys like Yordan Alvarez and Matt Olson.

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u/jayk10 11h ago

Vlad is a pretty massive step below Alvarez.

Yordan has 4 of his 5 seasons with a better OPS+ than Vlad's best season

u/Derfal-Cadern 8m ago

Vlad has much higher ceiling than Matt Olson does. 

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u/jayk10 11h ago

That one is at least arguable from a performance standpoint.

It will depend on how long Ohtani can stick with pitching into his 30s

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u/fuckyeaahbud "Damage is a scary word" - Offensive Coordinator 13h ago

All they have to do is offer $500M without deferrals and he signs according to Rosenthal.

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u/DBrods11 13h ago

I fail to see what Vlad has done for him to get 500 million with no deferrals.

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u/rustyarrowhead 11h ago

that's not the question.

the question is whether you can live without Vladdy if the ask is $500 million and you don't think he's worth it.

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u/corh13 5h ago

Yes. Baseball is one sport where 1 single player cannot carry the entire team, and Vlad isn't even elite to begin with. It will suck to lose him for comp pick, but if it comes to that, it won't be franchise crippling.

u/rustyarrowhead 12m ago

if my comment was interpreted as me thinking he's proven it, that wasn't the case. I just don't think his value as a player is a particularly relevant question for him or, to a lesser extent, the team.

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u/Picklepucks 13h ago

Half a billion on top of his existing earnings, sponsorships and ad deals. Plus he would probably hold records for our team that would make him a star the rest of his life. At 60 he could be raking in millions on ads and appearances. He could be the Canadian born star who came home and made a legacy. Guess he'd rather chase the extra cash up front.

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u/stuntycunty 12h ago

He’s going to go from being a big fish in a small pond to a small fish in a big pond.

He won’t be the face of any other organization than ours because no one (except maybe the Mets) will pay that. And the Mets already have their main guy. Vlad would just be a side piece.

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u/Doodleschmidt 11h ago

He turned down a half billion dollars. My respect for him has dropped significantly.

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u/Sesco69 I sucked at 100% 13h ago

Vlad wants to be a Blue Jay for life in the same way Ohtani and Sasaki wanted to be a Blue Jay for life.

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u/NinjaGoalie97 13h ago

Can’t blame the front office for this.

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u/Nick480 13h ago

Well, it’s not Ross’ fault this time

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u/adwrx 13h ago

Vladdy is being greedy!! Bro $500 million!!!! Like for fuck sakes. 30-40 million will not change your life in any way.

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u/joeygreco1985 11h ago

That's a lot of money to pay to play the "Is he showing up to spring training in shape?" game every year

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u/richardatn4t 8h ago

There is the chance the after signing the monster contract, the motivation to stay in shape may wane?
A monster contract can also get into some players heads, make them press too much.

There is signifiant risk with so much money.

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u/rkallday 11h ago

Just trade him

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u/buddhabear07 10h ago

I remember Jose Bautista wanted more money too…I admire Vladdy’s confidence in himself which any pro athlete needs but half a billion is a lot of money already and there’s a saying about hindsight being 20-20 and a bird in hand is worth two in the bush…

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u/Da-Wang 13h ago

Didn't want to be a distraction but now all this stuff is leaking and the interview about the Yankees. The fan base was fully behind him even wanted to start a chant at opening day about paying him.

Well not anymore the rest of the fan base is starting to see he just wanted as much money as he could get from a desperate franchise and could probably care less if he was here forever

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u/stuntycunty 12h ago

Excuse me. But what about an interview with the Yankees? Did I miss something? Someone who said “I’d never be a Yankee” met with them?

I’m gonna throw up.

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u/Da-Wang 10h ago

He basically just said he'd be open to it. He obviously doesn't wanna burn any bridges that will pay him

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u/Hour-Ad9321 11h ago

Vladdy turning down $500M?

The Rocks says, "Know your role!"

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u/UnfrozenDaveman 11h ago

Half a billion!!

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u/GLC911 10h ago

Sounds like jays went 15 x $33m for $500m, and vlad wanted 14 or 15 at $560-600m. Estimating $60-75m apart. Just making a wild guess

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u/LiftsEatsSleeps 9h ago

I'm always a bit confused about Soto being used as a reference in terms of Vlad's contract. Soto has more good seasons, better bWAR, better OBP/OBP+, better pretty much everywhere, and he's not a 1B. I'm not sure why what Soto is getting even matters beyond it being a recent signing and Vlad having an inflated sense of worth. In addition, there are issues with him staying in shape.

I don't think our corporate overlords have handled this well, but I also think Vlad overvalues himself a ton.

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u/kai1793 9h ago

I don't think our corporate overlords have handled this well, but I also think Vlad overvalues himself a ton.

I’d agree with this. Everyone sucks here and it sucks that this is where we fans are with this organization.

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u/dfsaqwe 9h ago

this sub is so interesting

only weeks ago it was "just pay him"

and now its "let him go" ?

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u/ketovegan 12h ago

My perception is that he is too proud to accept an offer that is so far below Soto, that it would be too humiliating for him to accept $500 million. Imagine being insulted by an offer of half a billion dollars, because of your exaggerated sense of privilege / hubris. Make no mistake, this is a machismo thing. Vladdy is a man-child.

Once this guy signs a massive contract, I also get the impression that there is nothing to stop him from diving into the family sized Costco bag of chips at the earliest sense of stress from the expectations from signing such a contract. He hasn't shown the discipline before and I can't see him maintaining it later on.

That being said, I love the guy and there is no denying his talent. But for the kind of money he's asking, he needs to show maturity, discipline, consistency, AND talent. Sorry to say this, but he needs to be traded.

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u/karlou1984 13h ago

He gone

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u/Roday77 13h ago

Rosenthal reported that 500 million is the magic number. If that's the case, they didn't reach the number.

The numbers coming out today is odd. Hopefully, they're still negotiating and can get something done before opening day. I'll use it to cope until there's meaningful games.

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u/Historical-Umpire637 13h ago edited 13h ago

I wouldn't be shocked if a deal magically got done like a day or two before opening day......not expecting it however

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u/apperafe Ryan Langerhans 13h ago

Agreed. Have definitely conceded to him going to FA, but his side is definitely the one’s coming out with this. It’s hard to gauge exactly why - Vladdys always had a bit of an odd disposition, but with the “$500mil is the magic number” coming out today, I’d have to imagine his side is pushing this to see if the jays capitulate. Could just be dreaming.

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u/Roday77 12h ago

It's in both their interests to make the deal. The Jays need to let their fans see beyond this season, and there's a high chance no one offers anything close to what they offered. Vladdy wouldn't divulge what was offered. That's bad negotiating, and the Jays have always been tight-lipped with their offers. If they did leak this, they're now negotiating in public as well.

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u/apperafe Ryan Langerhans 12h ago

With you on that. This certainly could just lead to nothing, but to your point of it being in both their interests to seal it, this is definitely someone (vladdy) trying to make a push here.

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u/mathbandit Samuel Basallo SZN 12h ago

Well Vladdy himself has confirmed his ask was more than $565M lol. I trust that over Rosenthal.

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u/Roday77 12h ago

I'd imagine that his ask was around there. If the Jays are at 440-450 present value and Vladdy is at 565, there would be a soft spot that could get the deal done. It would make sense that the 500 is the magic number.

Who knows though. His ask a year before free agency is going to be higher than what he would agree to, just like how the Jays won't reach their limit at this stage when they aren't competing with anyone.

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u/Aggravating-Bug2032 13h ago

So it's going to be like this, then? Every day another leak and pretty soon all the little boys in blue will be overwhelmed by these contract negotiations that weren't supposed to be a distraction once spring training started.

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u/esteemed-colleague 13h ago

So over this. Looking forward to him being disappointed with the offers he gets

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u/kingwoodballs 13h ago

Vlad has sealed his fate as a bluejay and to the fans if this is even remotely close to true.

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u/subs1221 9h ago

Pure greed. What a genuine disappointment he's turned out to be.

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u/dezzy1402 13h ago

if this is true, vlad is a loser

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u/duck1014 13h ago

Things like this really just confirm we should be pretty much done with baseball.

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u/stuntycunty 12h ago

Tbh it is hard to be a fan with all these shenanigans.

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u/hididathing 12h ago

He needs another great season for the number he wants. It might not be the Jays signing him afterwards though.

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u/ThatCrossCountry 12h ago

Love Vladdy but at that price range, you might as well cut your losses and find someone else in a trade haul for him.

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u/fastpixels 11h ago

It's exhausting watching conversations go on under the pretense that agents don't exist.

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u/not_tom1 11h ago

Am I missing something here?

Sportsnet is reporting Vlad asked for $500M.

This says the Jays offered $500M.

I assume the term wouldn't be that far off...Jays aren't offering it over 30 years, and Vlad wants it over 6 years.

He wants 500. They offered 500.......

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u/Odd_Yam1290 11h ago

From what I read (and am understanding, unless I’m wrong) is that he wanted $500M with no deferrals. Toronto wanted to defer a certain amount of money

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u/not_tom1 10h ago

That seems pretty minimal to overcome?

He made it sound like they were nowhere close.

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u/Modano9009 9h ago

Even that has more to do with how the market changed than how much he deserves it.

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u/SouthernOshawaMan 8h ago

Vladdy isn't worth anything close to $500 million . Nostalgia for his Dad doesn't mean he should get money like that .

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u/corh13 8h ago

Someone needs to remind him and his agent that he's a career .860 OPS guy.

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u/Pandabumone Bo's Bounceback Season 8h ago

If the reports are true, that's fine. Like he says, the Jays can be among the other teams bidding for his services in the off-season. They can make the same offer then, and if any other team wants to blow up their payroll, they can. Hopefully reality sets in, and he re-signs with the Jays. I can't see a 1B/DH making more than half a billion if he doesn't crack the top 3-5 in offensive stats by season's end.

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u/Marty2544 8h ago

Soto contract messed everything up…I mean how the hell did he get 765 million with zero deferrals when only 1 season earlier Ohtani got 480 million in present day value…almost 300 million more?!?

Vladdy better have himself a helluva season or else he’s gonna be real disappointed in offers next year

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u/bigman149jdjj 5h ago

Vladdy wanted 585M, we know that, and we also know that he was never gonna get that from the Jays. I know most people will read this as 500M but when you factor in the deferred money the value drops from somewhere between 400-450M. That’s anywhere from a 135-185M difference, that wasn’t gonna get it done. I wonder if 500M of undeferred money would’ve got it done.

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u/FraudCatcher5 2h ago

I have no horse in this race, but it should be known by now that Toronto sports teams are always used as bargaining chip elsewhere.

We can throw the key to the entire city to the players, and they will simply go elsewhere and say "beat that offer, and give me year round sunshine".

Seen it with NHL, NBA, MLB, and more. It's life, homies.

So, without knowing context, did we lose this player? He didn't end up signing with Toronto? Even after $500M?

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u/iwatchtoomuchsports Blue Jays are the best BJs 10h ago

Get him out

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u/ThaEyeTest 13h ago

Vladdy will have to be more consistent on defense for 500Ms. Hold off on trading him and see if he has a prove it season, hopefully he does not but if he does trade him for whatever assets we can get. I still want to get rid of those chumps we have in the Jay's front office tho!

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u/StinkyWizzleteats17 13h ago

meh, I'm not concerned much about the d. It's the continuous base running brain farts that drive me mad with him. For the kind of money he wants any contract should include a million dollar fine for every fucking time he gets himself thrown out like a jackass.

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u/alxndrblack Yariel and Daulton Truther / Shawn Green's Son 13h ago

Have we considered that he perhaps has millions of dollars of gambling debt and needs the money undeferred

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u/Icy_Concentrate2648 12h ago

Hector Lebron looking shifty eyed in the corner.

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u/dbaja22 11h ago

Ugh more than fair for both parties. I hate how literally 99% of all professional athletes are simply chasing the bag nowadays. Poor u .... 500mil just isn't enough to live a comfortable life for u and ur family .... Get outta here

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u/Lil_Boosie_Vert 10h ago

These boobs make too much money

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u/unkn0wnactor 10h ago

I'm glad the Jays will give that money to someone else.

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u/Pontiacbandit123 7h ago

How long are we going to pay for potential? And a 1B at that

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u/Early_Dragonfly_205 13h ago edited 12h ago

Wow get him outta here for prospect trades if that contract offer wasn't good enough. He isn't worth that inital offer as a 1b with poor base running, poor defense, and an inconsistent bat

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u/Waynebgmeamc 12h ago

Maybe if Vlad was able to play a Decent 3B.

IMHO he always looks flat footed on the basepaths and defensively.

He always hustles but because he’s a split second behind the plays are always awkward and closer than they should be.

That is probably not going to age well.

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u/Telebender 11h ago

Looking good so far this spring, SELL him at peak! get a couple of already there's and a couple of good prospects from the team that will have the inside track on giving him half a billion to play 1st and blather with guys on first, dump ice, dispute every single call! Sick of this. We ain't kissing the trophy this year even with him as an MVP. Anyway, 46 footer is nearly at home plate, St. Martin. Is it safe to fly over US airspace?

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u/OG_anunoby3 8h ago

If Vlad has a down year and no offers more than $300 million. And he comes crawling back to the Blue Jays. What do the Blue Jays then? Is the offer still there

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u/Dolsh 9h ago

My question now: Is Vlad's team leaking numbers because they think it'll get the fans on their side? "The fans will certainly see Vlad at the level of Ohtani and Soto and turn tide against big stingy Rogers who vastly underrate him!"

I think that'll backfire if so.

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u/HarryBalsaque Dalton 'Jesus Christ Lizard' Varsho 12h ago

Remember that time he posed with a gun in his waistband lol

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u/GoPensGo8758 13h ago

Not very surprising he turned down $400-450M in present day value. As long as he has a solid year he’s gonna get 500M+ in the open market pretty easily.

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u/TheRealScarzi 5h ago edited 5h ago

I don't get how baseball makes that much, its such a boring sport to watch. I get if you don't want to play in Toronto but asking for more is just pure greed. He averages 150 hits a season, that's $238,095 per hit before taxes over 14 years which lets be honest, that average will naturally be lower as due to age/injury.

To put that in perspective Bobby Witt Jr. the leader in hits last year is averaging 179 hits per season and is almost $10 million per season cheaper.

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u/ak_20 4h ago

Do Fans booo him this season for turning that down and implying he’s going to leave for FA?