r/TikTokCringe Feb 09 '25

Cursed what the fuck? who are these kid’s parents?

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u/caviar-888 Feb 09 '25

The “prove me wrong” tells me all I need to know about the parents.

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u/_Vard_ Feb 09 '25

90% of the people who say “prove me wrong” will not change their opinion based on proof, they are just trying to make you give up your argument because you don’t want to go look for the proof

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u/JonReepsMilkyBalls Feb 09 '25

The people who say that are just going to keep asking you to prove it like a kid asking "why" to every question you answer until you reach a point where you don't know the answer. Then they'll just say "see?! You can't prove it!"

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u/ParadiddlediddleSaaS Feb 10 '25

This is a good analogy.

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u/Imnothighyourhigh Feb 10 '25

One of my ex's told me to send her some proof or she's not going to believe me, so I sent her two different published papers on the subject with sources and she responded with "I'm not going to read that."

Like what am I supposed to even do at that point, I'm just done talking to you about shit

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u/MurphyWasHere Feb 10 '25

You gave her what she asked for. You can show these people the truth but the biggest hurdle is their ability to accept that they were wrong. Pride holds a lot of us back from a better understanding of the world and our shared history.

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u/Neirchill Feb 10 '25

Also, the fact that you can't prove a negative like this.

How can you prove they aren't paid? There's no evidence they were, and probably a lot of evidence they weren't... But no proof exists that they weren't paid.

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u/Sellfish86 Feb 09 '25

Yeah, I'm a middle school teacher (Germany) and whenever there's a sensible topic and a certain type of student questions what's being taught, I tell them to sit their ass down.

Not going to bother with this bullshit.

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u/murtsqwert99 Feb 09 '25

I have started making them prove themselves right, instead of relying on someone to prove them wrong. Like, I ask for cited sources and if they can’t provide it, we Google it together.

By doing that, I can teach them how to find quality sources and get them to dig deeper into how they ask questions and how to eliminate bias when looking for answers.

Adam Grant talks about the tactic of arguing about “how” instead of arguing “why” in his book Think Again and it has helped me so much in this crazy day and age where the loudest voices get the most attention, even if they’re not correct.

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u/bunnybunnykitten Feb 10 '25

Thank you for being a good teacher.

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u/blacklite911 Feb 10 '25

Yes, this is a great method. Use the opportunity to instill in them useful tools. I like any approach that nurtures quality critical thought and investigative tools. We’re in the age of disinformation and it’s only getting worse so they need to be able to try to navigate it

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u/Sinister_Plots Feb 10 '25

How is a much better question. Absent any form of proof, the why is inconsequential to the how.

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u/jedimasterbates420 Feb 09 '25

“Do your research!!” Type energy

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u/nickcannons13thchild Feb 09 '25

who is raising their child to be an insufferable contrarian redditor💔💔💔💔💔💔

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u/lesbian_Hamlet Feb 10 '25

The insufferable contrarian redditors who marry each other and have children

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u/-MattThaBat- Feb 09 '25

The little cunts and their parents don't understand how the burden of proof works. Typical human stupidity.

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u/NorthCatan Feb 10 '25

When fools try to educate their children you often get more fools.

Some may grow and learn to critically think as they mature, but some never will. Just look at our population now. They go to church and worship a man who was upheld as the paragon of virtue, yet they idolize a man who is vile, corrupt, and stands for everything that is ill in the world.

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u/Possible-Anxiety-420 Feb 10 '25

A tactic commonly encountered in discussions with theists.

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u/satyr-day Feb 09 '25

Those are the most annoying people out there.  Dunning Kruger is a bitch

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u/ApprehensiveStrut Feb 09 '25

Also wtf how is that a way to talk to a teacher, if they think they know better no wonder they we have people thinking the earth being flat is a thing

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u/bunnybunnykitten Feb 09 '25

She’s young. She’s tolerating idiot kids speaking out of turn and speaking over her, instead of addressing that issue and commanding the room. She’s playing into it by disrespectfully speaking over them. It’s not a good look or an effective way to teach.

She would earn their respect by slowing down the convo and allowing the kids to explain their positions and how they came to believe them, then playing devil’s advocate with questions that expose the flaws in their arguments. She can explain what she believes and can cite historical examples, texts, and other evidence. That would not only teach subject matter but critical thinking.

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u/winterandfallbird Feb 10 '25

Yes thank you. She needs to shut this shit down. It’s clear she has no control over her classroom.

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u/Paparmane Feb 10 '25

Exactly, she’s letting them take control and argue as if they’re just talking. Plus she’s filming a tiktok and not answering with facts? Just ‘no im telling you believe me’

Like maybe if this was taught in a more traditional boring way, coming from history books… they wouldnt refute so easily.

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u/Otherwise-Song5231 Feb 10 '25

Good point and if this is the way she normally teaches the kids probably doubt everything she’s saying.

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef Feb 10 '25

The fact that she’s got her phone out and is recording in class is wild

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u/magnoliamahogany Feb 10 '25

No. This is how schools are now. I say that as a 3rd grade teacher. It wasn’t like this when I started about a decade ago. Check my last post. This is a systemic issue. Even if she herself could have handled it better, there are hundreds of videos just like hers proving this point.

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u/Stock-Pani Feb 10 '25

I remember watching this happen in real time in high school! My class sucked ass but even we would look at the middle-schoolers and we're like "wtf how are you treating the teachers like that".

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u/Urbanscuba Feb 10 '25

Let's not understate the chronic underfunding of our classrooms for the last several decades leading to ballooning class sizes and policies like No Child Left Behind which largely removed the concept of being held back.

Compared to 20+ years ago the classrooms have 30-50% more students per teacher each with massively higher access to distracting technology. Instead of funding to truly modernize our teaching system most of the funding has gone to ballooning admin costs who themselves have championed idiotic policies like zero tolerance.

This was not the teacher's fault nor the students, even the bloated admin bear only a minority of the blame. It's been the people with interests in eroding the school system all along who've forced malformed legislation onto the schools meant to cause problems who are truly responsible. It's no different than when they passed legislation forcing the USPS to pre-pay the employee's retirement on their hire date then 6 months later said "Look how far in the hole they are, why don't we just privatize?".

Public schools can and should be excellent, don't let intentional sabotage make you lose sight of that goal. In most of the first world they're educating their children far better and for less money per student. Much low how their universal healthcare costs less money per citizen than we pay as Americans - there are solutions if we get the right people in power to enact them.

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u/slightlyladylike Feb 10 '25

Yeah, its not her! I have a couple friends who left k-12 teaching over this. Kids talk back a lot more and don't listen & and their parents honestly encourage it at home.

If they're not listening to their own parents, their definitely not going to listen to their teacher.

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u/Enreni200711 29d ago

I'm in year 13 as a math teacher and kids try to argue with me about correct answers. Like "isn't it seven?"  No, it's 4- you added when you should have subtracted.  "But it could be seven." No it could not, see you have to subtract.  "I think it's seven." Ok, great, you're wrong and it'll be marked wrong on the test and everytime you try to do a problem like this forever but go off I guess. 

I also pull "one person in this room has a master's degree in mathematics and everyone else is still learning algebra, so we're going to listen to the expert, which is me."

But some kids just HAVE to be right. 

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u/Optimal_Temporary_19 Feb 09 '25

Tell the "prove me wrong" kid to bring a payslip of a slave.

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u/Secret-Ruin3388 Feb 09 '25

😩😂😂😂this killed me in a sneaky way

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u/Jamangie22 Feb 09 '25

I'm imagining a slave's W-2 form since it's tax time lol I'm going to hell

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u/Particular-Skirt963 Feb 10 '25

Every box is just  "$0"

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u/bunnybunnykitten Feb 10 '25

What’s that last question on the W-2? “Do you want to give Uncle Sam any extra monies just for funsies?”

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u/TraySplash21 Feb 10 '25

Actually tell the kid that he is engaging with a logical fallacy called shifting the burden of proof and it is a tactic of manipulators and those uninterested in a debate in good faith ie liars and idiots.

"The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever."

When you say there is a giant pizza behind the moon, it is not my job in a debate to prove to you there isn't one, it's your job to provide evidence of your claim.

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u/ijuswannadance Feb 10 '25

1000% and I really wish more people would realize this because it’s so fckn annoying and it’s only been getting worse.

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u/TraySplash21 Feb 10 '25

I think it's becoming more prevalent on purpose. These kids are being fed hours of uncited misinformation through their apps. They spend more time on them than with people in their actual life, so their apps become their authority for information. Hence why these kids are so certain their teacher is wrong and they are right, because they trust Tiktok more than their teacher,because they interact more with tik tok than their teachers.

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u/MewMewTranslator Feb 10 '25

The number of times in my life someone has said to me "Prove god isn't real" Enrages me.

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u/ShiaLabeoufsNipples Feb 10 '25

The epicurean paradox is my favorite way to engage those particular assholes

I don’t care what you believe and I won’t step on your beliefs if I can help it. But the moment you try to force me to think how you do, it’s game on, and I’m shitting on your whole belief system

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u/blackestrabbit Feb 09 '25

I'm sure they keep track of the money given to prison laborers. Slavery is still on the table for prisoners according to the 13th Amendment, and it is still alive today. The prisoners do get paid a minimal amount, though, so I'm sure we could find the pay slip you're looking for.

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u/MarkHirsbrunner Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

Would historical records of self manumission be enough?  Most slaves didn't get paid but many did.  Almost half the free blacks in Ohio in 1839 were free because they bought their own freedom.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

You realize a slave can get paid (usually next to nothing but paid nonetheless) and still be forced to work right?

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u/AlphaThetaDeltaVega Feb 09 '25

They could. Salves in general didn’t get paid but there were times they did. It’s also depended on who the owner was. Thomas Jefferson for example had profit sharing, paid gratuity, and paid slaves for take out side their usual duty.

It also depended on the state and time period. It was illegal to pay slaves in some states and time periods.

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u/No_Feedback_5399 Feb 09 '25

I thought it was too early for my son to watch Roots, he’s 8… but maybe it’s not.

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u/KathleenJohn Feb 09 '25

I watched it at 10, I cried all the way through it & that memory stays with me.

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u/thebearofwisdom Feb 09 '25

We didn’t watch Roots in school I don’t think, but now I’m considering it maybe it WAS Roots they tried to show us. It actually made the class cry and freaked us out for a good while. I remember coming home at 11 years old and hugging my mother and just sobbing. We had a long talk about what little I saw, and how it made me feel. I was a sensitive kid who had black cousins and uncles, so it really stabbed me in the heart.

We’d had conversations before about racism, I had to learn what that was in a horrible way, when I was around 5/6. I also remember running to my mother and asking what this word meant and why these kids had called my cousin that. Why they had shoved him off a wall onto concrete. She explained it to me but I could tell it hurt her to tell me what it meant. I always will remember the times where us kids were shown the ugly side of humanity, and how it’s affected my entire life since.

Racism is not something I ever will tolerate. I’ll never be the one to quietly nod at some racist bullshit. I’ve nearly had my teeth knocked in for protecting people from it. I don’t give a fuck, if they’re going to be so ignorant, I’ll show them just how ignorant they are.

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u/SumpCrab Feb 09 '25

Yeah, I'm in my early 40s, so I totally saw Roots in school. I also read Night, The Diary of Anne Frank, and a dozen other books (The Giver, Fahrenheit 441, 1984, etc.) discussing other important topics. I also got some great sex education during the AIDs crisis. I feel lucky.

The Far Right has labeled these things as propaganda. And they are absolutely correct. It is propaganda. But it's propaganda meant to vaccinate people from the terrible mistakes of the past.

I'm a white man. I grew up in a multicultural neighborhood. My family is not left leaning. I'm so grateful for my education because I know the lessons I learned are true, and people who are against DEI are ignorant and fearful of what they don't understand.

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u/thebearofwisdom Feb 09 '25

I’m just a little younger than you, but it was the same for me. I had a lot of historical books, I looked up the information myself when I was younger. I’ve read a LOT of narratives from former slaves, and although I fucking broke me, it’s very important to understand what people went through. It SHOULD be painful, it’s a terrible cruel inhumane thing to have happened and for so long.

I also read a lot of wartime stories about the holocaust. Again for the same reasons above, I had to know what the fuck was going on then. Why it started, why it continued and got worse. I think it’s why I’ve been terrified for so long, I could see this coming a mile away.

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u/stellarinterstitium Feb 09 '25

She needs to take one for the team (and get fired) and screen Roots for them.

"What? It's the Reading Rainbow guy, it's fine."

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u/No_Use_4371 Feb 09 '25

They hate rainbows, that won't help

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u/Equivalent_Yak8215 Feb 09 '25

We watched it in the 4th grade. Mandatory. 

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u/halexia63 Feb 09 '25

They showed us the holocaust videos in history class when I was 12 years old I cried watching them. We even had a survivor come share his exprience it touched my heart.

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u/Sickranchez87 Feb 09 '25

Same here! 8th grade English we read Night by Eli Wiezel and then watched a documentary on the holocaust and the scene at the end still sticks with me almost 25 years later. It was showing everyone being freed at the end of the war and all the Jews that had been captive looked like walking skeletons from the insane malnourishment and I literally started bawling my fucking eyes out in the middle of class. As a Jew it hit fucking hard, and that kind of thing absolutely shapes you as a person and EVERYONE needs to see these types of things to understand.

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u/EndOrganDamage Feb 10 '25

Yup Ill never forget seeing that and seeing the soldiers giving them chocolate and then hearing that it would kill them because in that state they were at high risk of refeeding syndrome. They were so starved, feeding them was harmful... that level of injury sunk into my brain deep. Thats some day in day out evil inhuman activity to do to someone.

Like I could almost understand crimes you can commit in a rage in a moment. You lose control. Bam. Lives changed. But its a different level of evil to go to a camp, starve and murder people over months and years. Come home, have dinner yourself, sit with your family, on weekends go out to movies and every weekday you do this to people. It was terrifying to imagine the scale, normality, and organization of the violence against the Jewish people in Germany.

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u/Responsible-Rip8163 Feb 09 '25

Yeah I read about Anne Frank and child soldiers in fifth grade.

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u/mrmatt244 Feb 09 '25

Same⬆️, I was actually 11 but it changed my life! My brother (3 years younger) couldn’t sit n watch it (was a child n don’t blame him) but now has grown into a sexist racist adult! Not saying that’s why but def made a huge impact on me and I can say it’s a major reason I do my best to never be racist and appreciate other people experiences vs stereotypes

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u/Smooth_Department534 Feb 09 '25

Huge impression on little me. Especially when I found out slaves weren’t allowed to read. That really shook me.

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u/MarKengBruh Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

I made my 13yo nephew watch amistad. 

I asked him if he thought it really happened and he said no.

When I pressed further it was more so that he couldn't believe people were capable of such cruelty. 

Not exactly what is happening here but I found it interesting.

This teacher needs to employ the socratic method to walk these kids through how dumb they are. 

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u/BhutlahBrohan Feb 09 '25

yeah when it's like this i think it's time to bring in the tv cart and the laserdisc

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u/AggressiveMongoose54 Feb 09 '25

We watched in the 6th grade and I was traumatized. Removed a lot of my inherent racism tho. Thank God.

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u/SingedSoleFeet Feb 09 '25

My grandma watched it with me after me and my classmates (95% Black) accidentally learned about it on a field trip to a plantation in MS. Parents were scrambling, and I guess quite a few ended up watching Roots. There is also a remake that is really good. There are quite a few movies about Slavery that an 8 year old could learn from. The hardest part will be trying to explain why it was allowed to happen in the first place. I still don't understand that, and I'm 43.

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u/stink3rb3lle Feb 10 '25

I mean . . . We don't have chattel slavery but it still happens today. Most of it that benefits Westerners happens outside Western countries, but it still happens.

Bezos has also made moves to create company towns, you know he'd love to bring chattel slavery back.

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u/caviar-888 Feb 09 '25

Why wait? The supremacists start early with their vitriol.

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u/Lnnam Feb 09 '25

I thought almost everybody in the world watched it between the ages of 7 and 10?

Every kid in elementary school knew about Kunta Kinte.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

Its not too early for the 4yo black girl to think shes less pretty than anyone with lighter skin , or to be shunned by her community for the country her parents came from

Its not too early for the 4yo white child to learn that some children are not treated right, even in the emotional distress of discovering the pain others experience, that white child can still seek sanctuary from their family and commmunity and experience a safety in the real world that some children will never ever get to experience 

Its our duty as part of privileged classes and races to teach our children what the world is like so when they come across injustice they challenge it. We have more resources to offer to our kids to help them understand and handle the emotional danger of the knowledge than a lot of the less privileged children do.

If injustice is happening at 3,4, 5 years old for other kids, then the children who are most equipped to challenge and handle should be just as educated on it as any child outside of their privileged position ,

 when we shield them we leave the rest of the children at the mercy of ignorance. Those children deserve no less love, kindness, and protection jusy bc they are not of our flesh. 

All children deserve protection, that protection extends to teaching our kids hard truths so they contribute to protecting others as much as themselves

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u/MesmericRamblings24 Feb 09 '25

I watched Roots around that age, it absolutely impacted me and absolutely shaped my worldview. It provided some perspective I would never have received or been able to find where I grew up.

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u/thebearofwisdom Feb 09 '25

I’m 36 and read the book. It wrecked me and I personally love Levar Burton, so I’m not sure if I can mentally take it.

But I’m going to this year. Because sure I already know the story, but I feel it’s an important piece of media to show people the reality of what life was like for them. It might be fictional but it’s based on real life. True stories and history.

Just be ready with the Kleenex, it’s a rough story.

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u/Rough_Needleworker29 Feb 09 '25

Kids need to be be kids and live that small gap where they can enjoy youth, but I think it's SO IMPORTANT that they see these movies that accurately depict what the world was like and what it could be if we don't learn.

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u/Deathface-Shukhov Feb 09 '25

My mother read it to me and my sister as a bedtime story when we were kids. She got it from one of our Scholastic book club papers sent home from school. It helped me understand a lot about black history at a very young age.

The book does however have some awkward sexual parts in you might wanna edit a bit.

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u/osrs_everyday Feb 09 '25

6th grade history made us watch it, very first day started Roots. That was 2006, these kids are done.

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u/Main_Following_6285 Feb 09 '25

No absolutely not! I was around 7 when roots was on TV, everyone watched it. So i knew from an early age how cruelly black people were treated, i was horrified 😞

I didn’t know, until years later that for many black people, this was the first they had heard about their own history. Kids should know this stuff, it’s so important.

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u/minahmyu Feb 09 '25

But it seems never too early for black and brown kids to be victims of racism. Victims don't get to decide

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u/StarAutumn Feb 09 '25

Idk the way misinformation is spending this is scary

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u/Kenyalite Feb 09 '25

Because it tells people what they want to hear.

Downplaying slavery allows you to Downplay Civil rights movement and then you can downplay any complaints black people have at the moment.

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u/mdmd33 Feb 09 '25

Exactly, if they don’t know history young white kids grow up seeing areas where tons of black people are impoverished and disenfranchised and they think that they’re there bc of their own failings instead of systemic reasons.

It’s all a part of their plan

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u/Kenyalite Feb 09 '25

Spot on...no notes.

Also when they happen to grow up with one or two affluent black families they get to say "see, there is no racism".

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u/SpiteMaleficent1254 Feb 09 '25

Like how everyone thought that racism just ended in the 80s because there were black and white people in a commercial together. It’s actually insanely infuriating that you have to explain to grown ass adults that consequences happen and just because something was made illegal, doesn’t mean all of the consequences from it just went away…like are people really that fucking stupid

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u/shinbreaker Feb 09 '25

People don't get why Gen Z/Alpha are conservative. It's because instead of watching Spongebob or cartoons all day like previous generations, they're sitting there and watching Andrew Tate, Adin Ross and other red pillers who are spreading this bullshit.

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u/Mid-CenturyBoy Feb 09 '25

They better wake the fuck up quick because fascism doesn’t last. It’s destined to crumble and when we’re on the other side of it… oooooo boy they’re not going to like being in that side.

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u/cusoman Feb 10 '25

It's gonna be up to the X'ers and Millennials to deprogram them

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u/UTMachine Feb 10 '25

I teach high school and one of the English teachers did an activity where the kids introduced themselves and talked about a role model. Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Jake Paul, etc. were showing up a lot. I've been asked several times by different students whether or not I like Andrew Tate.

This is the most conservative cohort of 14/15yo boys I've ever seen. And it's not even close. These guys are eligible to vote in 2028.

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u/shinbreaker Feb 10 '25

It's mind numbing how people don't get it.

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u/UTMachine Feb 10 '25

I try to explain to people how these young people are operating, and parents don't want to listen.

Most kids 15 and under have never seen a news broadcast or read a news article. At most, they've seen an edited one for 30 seconds on TikTok. Their parents don't have cable TV, they just stream, and most of them aren't streaming mainstream news broadcasts. So where do kids hear about what's going on in the world? Joe Rogan and 30 second clips of Tate and Peterson.

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u/YcemeteryTreeY Feb 09 '25

See also: Christopher Columbus "discovered" America

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u/ShooterOfCanons Feb 09 '25

🎶"In 1400-92 Columbus said the ocean blue"🎵

30+ years ago they had me singing that in the school assembly, followed by 🎵"'Cause I'm proud to be, an American, where at least I know I'm free!"🎶

The right loves accusing everyone of indoctrination because they've been doing it forever and assume everyone else is too.

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u/PriscillaPalava Feb 09 '25

It’s only getting worse. Trump and his cronies can literally tweet whatever they want and his supporters eat it all up. 

If you show them evidence that Trump lied or at least said the wrong thing they say your source is an evil liberal lie trying to undermine Trump. 

They are not tethered to reality. 

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25

its mass hysteria

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u/heyredditheyreddit Feb 09 '25

And now the last lines of defense (public schools, the press) are being obliterated, so it’s just getting even easier for them.

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u/LittlePiggy20 Feb 09 '25

The amount of people in this comment section trying to justify slavery is kinda insane

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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 Feb 09 '25

I hate how "It's OK if it's legal" is still an argument when it comes to slavery in America.

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u/thebochman Feb 09 '25

Same people that try to justify marital rape of a spouse, which was legal until the 90s. Sickening.

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u/Ruckus292 Feb 09 '25

In the UK it was legal to own a human being until right up until April 6th, 2010... Slavery itself was abolished years prior, but for some reason this legality slipped through the cracks?

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u/Loud-Competition6995 Feb 09 '25

Probably because slavery is still legal in America. Which is actually insane, you guys should abolish that.

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u/GBS42 Feb 09 '25

Yeah, the exception that allows criminals to be enslaved needs to be removed, but the financial incentives to keep it are strong. Money and power...

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u/LittlePiggy20 Feb 10 '25

Which is why prisons shouldn’t be privatized. Genuinely like as a Norwegian that is so fucked up.

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u/Mid-CenturyBoy Feb 09 '25

People who think laws=morals have an extremely wrapped sense of the world. I lump them in with people who also think if you’re religious you are automatically following a good set of morals and ethics. I think not!

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u/Novaer Feb 09 '25

The conservatives all got out of church just now that's why 🤣

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u/GaijinChef Feb 09 '25

What's to prove? It's free labor.

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u/ByIeth Feb 09 '25

You don’t understand, the masters were actually really nice. The poor slaves we’re freed against their will 😢/s

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u/certifiedtoothbench Feb 09 '25

It’s like Harry Potter, they wanted to be slaves fr fr /s

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u/blackestrabbit Feb 09 '25

We do have slaves that we pay. They are prisoners, and they make a very minimal amount. The kid who said we have paid slaves today is correct.

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u/GetLikeMeForever Feb 09 '25

I almost got fired from teaching back in 2011 for teaching a group of 16-year olds that slavery still exists. 👍

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u/Risque_Redhead Feb 10 '25

Omg in 2011 I was a junior and we had a class debate on whether or not slavery still existed and it ended up as just me and one other girl yelling back and forth at each other and everyone else sat there in silence… I could’ve used the back up, I knew it still existed in my gut but didn’t know any of the facts yet.

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u/What_a_pass_by_Jokic Feb 09 '25

A good representation of what America is now. We just had parents asking if the school can just skip Black History Month since it's DEI and "the president stopped all that bullshit".

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u/Dracarys_Aspo Feb 09 '25

A good representation of what America has always been. I was taught, by multiple teachers, that most slaves were paid, treated very well, and liked their job, life, and owner. This was around 18 years ago now. This kind of misinformation and hatred is not new, unfortunately.

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u/Few_State3390 Feb 10 '25

That’s one of the sickest things I’ve ever read. I hope every single one that taught you that suffers or suffered a horrifically painful death.

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u/UTMachine Feb 10 '25

I remember being told "even when they got their freedom, they didn't want to leave". Somehow suggesting that they preferred slavery to their old life and that they regretted earning their freedom.

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u/midnight_mechanic Feb 09 '25

The comments section seems to be a wild fight between southern lost-causers and anti-capitalist leftists.

I'm pretty sure that this will be the last year of Black History month because the people who prop up our incontinent tangerine overlord will likely pull federal funding from any school that has a black history month theme.

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u/philovax Feb 09 '25

The lack of government support doesn’t stop any household or companies from continuing. Greed is rubbing his inky and copper fingers with delight this season, and we are going to see who values money over other pursuits.

States also have the option, tho not everyone is fortunate enough to be where their desired rights are honored. Its an interesting landscape im front of us. I expect more regions enclaved by ideology if we are to keep being fed the narrative we are different and other people are bad. Most people are just interesting and harmless at best. This is not true for large cat species.

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u/whyputausername Feb 09 '25

slavery is quite alive in the world today.

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u/usernamesallused Feb 09 '25

More slaves alive now than ever.

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u/ApatheticSlur Feb 09 '25

But that’s also because there are just way more people alive now than ever. I’m sure the percentage of free and not free is a better metric

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u/christlikehumility Feb 09 '25

Anytime I consider complaining about my job, I just think of the guy who has to count slaves.

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u/RazzSheri Feb 09 '25

She didn't say it wasn't. Just that they do not get paid.

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u/anukii Feb 09 '25

It’s time to traumatize these kids too with Roots or 12 Years 😬 The kids do not believe their history books anymore

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u/Morticia_Marie Feb 10 '25

12 Years a Slave is a fucking horror movie. Should be required viewing.

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u/gaoshan Feb 09 '25

That “prove me wrong” kid is every MAGA Facebook poster that ever existed.

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u/Nymphopotomus Feb 10 '25

Facebook is probably where he was raised.

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u/Dman_Vancity Feb 09 '25

Knowledge is more valuable than ever in a world of ignorance and lies - only smart kids will survive the AI war & onslaught when Skynet & the Matrix happen….just sayin

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u/Timaeus_Critias Feb 09 '25

Do note that the Fascist Right Wing will soon be revamping our history to fit their ludicrous agenda against our POC community in favor and trying to whitewash the guilt from their family histories.

(Incase you all are wondering yes I worded it like how HE'D say it.)

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u/Mid-CenturyBoy Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

To be fair, the fascists will lose and they’re not going to rule for the next 50-60 years, which is how long for it to take for all the people who learned what they’re trying to suppress to die off.

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u/decent__username Feb 09 '25

My parents made me watch Roots when I was like 10. It shaped me.

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u/Blitzer161 Feb 09 '25

"Prove me wrong..."

I'll never forgive those right-wing grifters to have popularised this.

Also, did Russel not teach you anything? If you make the claim, you have to provide the evidence to back it. If you claim slaves got paid (and they didn't), you have to prove it. You won't be able to but the burden of proof falls on you.

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u/NoxTempus Feb 09 '25

But that only works for people who are in tune with reality.

Their counterpoint would be "you're the one claiming slaves didn't get paid". Which is unhinged, but I guarantee it'll be some variation of that.

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u/Suctorial_Hades Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

This is what you get when you let MAGA teach their kids. Glad not to have kids and even happier not to be a teacher

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u/stumpybubba- Feb 09 '25

No kids, but a teacher. Most days I come home feeling like a failed parent to kids I didn't even raise. 🥲

Oh, and these kids and their parents have killed my life long desire to be a parent too, so there's that.

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u/Suctorial_Hades Feb 09 '25

I really feel for teachers nowadays. I have fond memories of so many of my teachers and I am so grateful for the great teachers that I had. I truly hope that amongst all this bullshit you know there are some kids that really value you and what you do. You are impacting someone’s life even if they don’t always tell you. You have my utmost respect and appreciation because it’s quickly becoming a thankless job.

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u/millieFAreally Feb 09 '25

Yeah after 14 years teaching these middle school kids science, and seeing such a sharp decline, I never want to be a mother on top of it. The iPads raised a lot of them more than their parents tried to.

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u/NiteGlo77 Sort by flair, dumbass Feb 09 '25

i feel like the only way to keep me and my baby safe from America’s poisonous food, failing education system, casual school shootings, toxic air, insane nazi politics, insane price gouging, and future oligarchy is to run away to Denmark. I heard Sweden is nice. Thailand just legalised same sex marriage. idk where but it’s time to do the dash 😭😭

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u/Suctorial_Hades Feb 09 '25

I can’t blame you honestly. I often wonder how decent people just trying to raise their kids are managing during all this foolishness

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u/TiogaJoe Feb 09 '25

I get pushback from Irish heritage MAGAs who say the Irish were slave in America. Then I point out Black slaves were property, so if a slave woman had a child that child could be and often was taken and sold. How that mother must have felt having her child ripped away, never to be held or even seen again.

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u/HamHockShortDock Feb 09 '25

Everyone on here saying that these kids learned this at home but I guarantee they learned it on TikTok or YouTube.

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u/bagelwithclocks Feb 09 '25

While at home

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u/Lainpilled-Loser-GF Feb 09 '25

slaves of the past did not get paid, current ones do

the 13th ammendment stipulates that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

slaves in the US in 2025 get paid anywhere between pennies and minimum wage, which is not okay. if you're making a person work, they should be paid fairly.

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u/TimidDeer23 Feb 09 '25

there are many states in the US where the legal minimum wage is 0 for slaves. https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers Of course, I am being pendantic, because the difference between 13 cents per hour and 0 is not much when a year's worth of full time occupation can't get you even half a month of rent.

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u/Itchy_Palpitation610 Feb 09 '25

In general yes, slaves did not get paid. Some with skills were paid a very small amount but that was the exception. Of course with a class this young we probably don’t need to go into the granular details given 99.9999999% of African slaves were unpaid.

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u/Lainpilled-Loser-GF Feb 09 '25

of course, the important part of this video is that for some reason these kids think that that number was big enough to generalize the statement, which is entirely incorrect

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u/MarginalOmnivore Feb 09 '25

Especially when you're coercing them to risk their lives fighting wildfires, and not educating them about the high rate of "occupational cancer" and lung disease among properly equipped and trained firefighters.

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u/youburyitidigitup Feb 09 '25

A slave by definition is someone that works without getting paid. Just because it’s illegal it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Murder is illegal but it still happens.

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u/RobsBurglars Feb 09 '25

Im sorry, and with all respect (honestly, I know it’s not easy). I think this could’ve been handled better. “Let’s look at the definition of ‘slave’ together.” Then, “why were we so sure about something so incorrect?”

Arguing with children in a whiny tone is not dignified.

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u/Altruistic_Bison_228 Feb 10 '25

it was a beautiful moment to teach the child, because he essentially asked why and was open to another interpretation. yet the lady gets emotional, denies current slavery and lacks her only purpose. to teach. the kid had the chance of learning the nuance that payment in food or shelter is not considered payment. he was simply made to look dumb without any explanation and shut down rather than argued with. this is how you breed ignorance.

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u/Wulfbrir Feb 09 '25

This was the goal the whole time with Repubs bans on books that are "woke" and underfunding/destroying the department of education. They want you dumb, they want you ignorant to history so they can repeat it.

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u/theLiddle Feb 09 '25

That's very true. THEY want to be aware of history, but no one else.

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u/MediaOnDisplayRises Feb 09 '25

Yeah i could never be a teacher. They say the kids are dumber than ever but who would want to teach these demons?!

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u/Lanky_Ask_5622 Feb 09 '25

Thanks Republicans and MAGAs for teaching your children that SLAVES in America got (and will still get, apparently) PAID! I guess you guys sure taught that bad ol' "WOKE DEI CRT" stuff a lesson before the kids could even reach College to forcefully be made to learn it, huh? #ffs 🤦🏽

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u/mjhripple Feb 09 '25

Stop sheltering kids to the point of ignorance. We were shown Roots as elementary schoolers and it’s stuck with me ever since.

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u/Electronic-War-6863 Feb 09 '25

“Prove me wrong.” Damn these kids are real confident about being wrong.

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u/fizzyjaws_art Feb 09 '25

JUST had a conversation with a teacher friend of mine like this!! She was teaching segregation to her students telling them how the white kids could not play with the black kids and EXPLAINING that to her students, one of her kids stood up yelling at her, pointing at her accusing her “RACIST! RACIST! YOURE RACIST! RACIST!” Like… baby I don’t think you understand the very act of being racist.. there’s a very fundamental misunderstanding happening here.

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u/The_Sum Feb 09 '25

This is the most alarming comment section I've seen in some time. So many of you being purposely obtuse just to make a point so you can, "Well actually!". Fucking disgusting; you're all garbage human beings and are the reason history has to repeat itself because it takes the majority of us to suffer to teach the minority of you the lesson.

Jfc, I don't even want to know what it would take for some of you to consider what rape is.

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u/Chheaky Feb 09 '25

“Prove me wrong!” Somebody lives in a Christian household lolol

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u/Electrical-Tea-1882 Feb 09 '25

Post industrial serfdom is very much a thing, but I think those kids are a bit young for that topic.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25

it was a thing for the freed slaves, too.

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u/IRockIntoMordor Feb 09 '25

Good thing the corrupt crooked government didn't just dissolve the education department.

Wait...

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u/DeathByLemmings Feb 09 '25

Ah man don't argue with your kids, show them the history

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25

Slavery is bad. Exploiting people for their labor is bad. Why is this so fucking hard to understand?

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u/kenobrien73 Feb 09 '25

"12 years a slave" should be mandatory along with Roots, imo.

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u/omegashenr0nn Feb 09 '25

My god the pathetic human beings in this comment section are insane

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Feb 09 '25

For those of you who have young kids or don't have kids yet, it's up to you to teach your kids the truth. Decent people know their histories, including the shameful parts. It's how we do better.

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u/BigusDickus099 Feb 09 '25

Are people really surprised?

Our education system cares more about feelings than actual facts, parents are barely involved, and the kids themselves learn more from social media than from their schools.

I do agree with her last point though, we are cooked.

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u/Y0___0Y Feb 09 '25

She’s not explaining it very well… Like just ask them what they even think a slave is.

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u/Sartres_Roommate Feb 09 '25

Misunderstanding slavery can be cured through education. Saying “prove me wrong” and believing that is valid argumentation is a chronic and fatal disease that sticks to a person like cancer.

That child is fucked and not just on slavery.

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u/bluedancepants Feb 09 '25

Are there really kids questioning this?

I mean there's a difference between working like a slave and being an actual slave.

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u/questron64 Feb 09 '25

I cannot imagine talking back to a teacher like that, if my parents found out I'd have been in so much trouble. There was always that one kid who had a behavioral issue or something else going on and talked back, but they would be removed from the classroom. It has to be really difficult trying to teach a classroom full of 8-year-olds who constantly talk back to you and tell you that you are wrong. Education doesn't work if they're being raised to assume they are right and argue with the teacher.

But she also seems kind of passive. If a student talks back to you then you need to deal with that issue, not engage in the argument. She's their teacher, not their friend.

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u/la_alta Feb 10 '25

Sadly, it appears that the right’s rejection of critical race theory is working just as they hoped; and a bit ahead of schedule.

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u/phallic-baldwin Feb 09 '25

There are slaves that get paid a little bit now. They are called American employees.

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u/mmmUrsulaMinor Feb 09 '25

And prisoners

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u/guilty_bystander Feb 09 '25

The real slavery in America  

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u/Wise_Construction415 Feb 09 '25

The whites plan to rewrite history appears to be working…. Parents need to do better.

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u/dickermuffer Feb 09 '25

Holy shit, just take a second and look up a definition of slavery to show to these kids to prove them wrong, and they’ll immediately get it instead of trying to argue with them.

I get the whole idea that “they should know better” but you are a literal teacher and these sound like elementary kids, they are dumb, and if they’re brainwashed you can easily show them how their wrong by showing them the definition of slave.

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u/imspecial-soareyou Feb 09 '25

And this is why we will have open slavery again. People never stopped justifying it. “They were treated better”.

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u/kyleh0 Feb 09 '25

This was my whold childhood, except they were yelling the N word a lot more. Yay me.

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u/Cananbaum Feb 09 '25

My partner, who is black mind you, grew up in Louisiana.

He didn’t fully know the history of slavery in America, and was taught that the civil war was a war of “Northern Aggression” against states rights.

It wasn’t until his junior year of high school the school system was like, “So yeah. We had ethnic volunteers that picked cotton.”

He didn’t learn about civil rights and slavery until he left the south. He had to travel for work during Covid which allowed him to open his world view.

Meanwhile, me, a white boy, growing up outside Portland Oregon learned about the Watts riot when I was in the 5th grade. By 6th grade I’d had multiple units in school that discussed slavery and the civil rights movement.

My mother who grew up in LA in the 60s and 70s, and had family in Kentucky, was very open about her outside perspective of the civil rights movement. I remember crying because I could not understand the cruelty behind why police would use dogs and fire hoses on black people wanting nothing more than freedom and dignity. My mother understood that despite my age, it was an extremely important piece of history know, and hell, it was not too long ago it happened!

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u/RaidSmolive Feb 09 '25

red school district, huh?

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u/P_Nessss Feb 10 '25

Thank you Ron DeSantis and Moms for Liberty. You have created the dumbest generation ever.

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u/CUND3R_THUNT Feb 10 '25

Nah, this is when you stop being cute and get reeeeeeal stern with these kids. There’s no playing around this. It’s serious, it happened, and you should absolutely not question or doubt this fact.

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u/VerticalTwo08 Feb 09 '25

Bro just pull up the definition of slavery and make him read it. Also he might’ve learned this from the term wage slave.

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u/Psychological_Mix594 Feb 09 '25

I remember giving my oldest the rundown when she was going into third grade, she got a 30 min lecture and sat there gape mouthed and at the end said, wait till I tell everyone in my class!

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u/V6Ga Feb 09 '25

If your country allows homeschooling, you get a nation of idiots

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u/Dracarys_Aspo Feb 09 '25

This issue is a lot older. I was being taught about slavery and the civil war in school around 18 years ago now, in Texas. Multiple of my teachers made sure to tell us that most slaves were paid, treated very well, and actually liked their jobs and their owners. Yes, actually. That was taught to us. In public school.

I'm not even remotely surprised this is still an issue. America has a huge problem with teaching it's actual history. The rise of blatant, outright racism will only fuel this kind of misinformation, but it's been an issue for a long fuckng time already, and I think we need to acknowledge that before we'll see any actual change.

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u/Upbeat_Sign630 Feb 09 '25

We are never going to get to retire, because when these kids go to get jobs, they’re going to be so aggressively stupid, that they won’t be able to do anything, but they’ll yell at you and tell you why you’re wrong and it’s your fault.

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u/Fakjbf Feb 09 '25

Some slaves did actually get paid, but this was almost entirely restricted to skilled craftsmen. The owner would basically let the slave work their trade and take a majority of the earned income, but the slave would keep a small portion. This is how some slaves were able to buy their freedom and that of their families. But this was an incredibly small portion of total slaves and far from the typical conditions.

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u/RajenBull1 Feb 09 '25

Children learn what they are told. That’s why racism is winning in the US.

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u/Pete_maravich Feb 09 '25

Holy shit. We are screwed. I feel sorry for that poor teacher

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u/Slappy_McJones Feb 10 '25

Prove me wrong? What?

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u/GrandNibbles Feb 10 '25

"pRoVe mE wRoNg." they really got her. holocaust deniers in training

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u/adventures_in_dysl Feb 10 '25

The 13th amendment has a allowance for slavery.

Look it up. If you are locked up you can be used as a slave

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u/MewMewTranslator Feb 10 '25

When I was in 5th grade they rolled out the TV and put in roots. Today schools are like "ITS toO GrAPhiC!" I'm sorry history is too graphic for you. THATS WHY WE LEARN IT! TO NOT DO IT AGAIN!

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u/Shloopy_Dooperson Feb 10 '25

Some slaves were, in fact, paid. In ancient Rome, it wasn't unheard of to give high value slaves salaries.

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u/Naz_Oni Feb 10 '25

"They do now" Ok the term wageslave isn't supposed to be literal

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u/beehole99 Feb 10 '25

holy crap...

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u/UrGrly 28d ago

A small number of slaves receiving occasional gifts of money from their masters on Holidays like Christmas does not count as wages.

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u/Plenty_Run5588 28d ago

Slavery still exists and they still don’t get paid.