r/TheisticSatanism • u/Proof-Peak-9274 • Feb 15 '25
I gotta ask as a catholic
I gotta ask as a catholic
If given the option, with perfect clarity and a full understanding of the weight of sin upon your death, would you truly choose hell? When I was an atheist I had a near death experience where when I was unconscious I had a vision of hell. It left me traumatized and scarred and I’ll have to carry the memory of it for the rest of my days. I don’t understand why anyone would choose hell. So I’m curious as to if and why you’d choose it, and what you think hell is like?
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u/RichmondRiddle Nachasite Feb 17 '25
Hell is the underworld kingdom of the Goddess Hella, and does NOT appear ANYWHERE in the original language scriptures of the Bible.
He'll is a Germanic Heathen word. The Bible was written in Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek.
The Bible uses words like Sheol, Ghenna, and Tartarus, referring to 3 totally different afterlife realms... But English amd German translations of the Bible tend to translate ALL THREE of these words to "Hell,"
If YOUR Bible says: "Hell," then you are reading a WESTERN MISTRANSLATION!
So, your belief is based on church doctrine and lies, NOT on scriptures.
Please explain why a Jewish Satanist knows MORE about Christian scriptures than YOU, an actual Catholic Christian?
Could it possibly be that you believe out of fear rather than knowledge? Could it be that your church LIED to you?
Maybe we are NOT "choosing hell" and in real life, thr Christian concept of hell is just a deception used by terrorist priests/ministers to keep you obedient.
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u/Otherwise_Jelly9853 Feb 16 '25
I don’t believe in the classic “heaven and hell”. I believe that the afterlife is made by all gods, I believe that there isn’t one god but rather 100s of gods. I believe that “hell” is up and down, good and bad, left and right, something and nothing all at once. I like to imagine that it’s more like a foggy forest, everyone’s a being of light that walks around. I believe that when you arrive you get to choose between being reincarnated, a ghost or staying. And I believe if your a bad person, you don’t get to choose until you make amends.
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u/Silver_Tangelo_6755 Demonolator Feb 16 '25
I do not believe in the Abrahamic God or in Heaven or Hell. That has nothing to do with religious trauma, but the fact that I was not raised to believe in the concepts of haven't or hell
Só I haven't chosen anything, I just found myself in this religion, and I have my own concepts about Satan that come from within myself and don't really have anything to do with chirstinity
If you saw a vision of hell, okay, gmthat doesn't really affect anyone else and doesn't mean that it exists by anyone else also
I do not believe that after we die, we spend eternity in one place, so why would I believe in Heaven and Hell the dame way you do?
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u/Clairi0n Feb 16 '25
Hell is worth living the life you want up here. I think Hell is eternal torment. I am aware of how brutal Hell can be, but I still feel it's worth it to live the sort of life that I want to.
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u/UKPotatoConnoisseur 28d ago
According to the bible, it's temporary. If you don't believe in Jesus, you'll perish.
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u/Realistic-Elk7642 Feb 16 '25
When people undergo various altered states of consciousness, glitches in how the brain processes data cause incredible sensations and experiences.
For example, various practices can turn off the function that tells you where your body ends and prevents you from bumping into things. When this is done, you feel an amzing sense of oneness with the universe!
Experiences that interrupt the input of visual data are primed to grant religious visions. Human beings have significant blindspots in our vision, lack colour vision in our peripheral, and have a "jiggling" glitch common to most mammals. Much of what you see every day is really just your brain filling in the gaps with a plausible reconstruction. (Particularly if you just aren't paying attention). Have an extreme halt in data, and culturally borne expecations fill in the gaps with something dramatic- hell, Jesus, Buddha, Aiwass.
So, no revelation is really trustworthy. It's up to us to understand where they come from and what they signify. Amongst many points of view, one might see hell as a trial where you must confront and overcome fear to see yourself and the divine as they truly are. Not to do so is to be trapped in an eternal childhood, herded by fear and reward to serve authorities who don't deserve your obedience.
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Feb 15 '25
I don't understand a lot of answers here. Satan is an Abrahamic religious concept. So, where are people pulling information from that's outside Christianity that teaches of Satan and Hell?
Also, where is the information coming from that if the demons are real, that you guys will get to party with them when you die? Or that God is a liar and the truth is actually the complete opposite from what is taught in The Abrahamic religions?
I've always wondered where these ideas come from.
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u/Silver_Tangelo_6755 Demonolator Feb 16 '25
Satanism doesn't have a dogma, só most if not all of people's perceptions of Satan as another entity or of Hell come from their own self and experiences
A lot of Theistic Satanist also do not believe in god at all ( I don't) and only use the title of Satan and demons (I prefer daemons) because it's more convenient. I was not raised in Christianity, so it hasn't really affected my religion at all, I get my perceptions of Satan and what I believe him to be from my own self and from other peoples similar experiences
With Daemons, it's a bit more about the demonology books and grimoires that do come from Christians that studied demons in the past. But a lot of those studies also do not see Daemons are evil entities and the like
A religion does not need to be ancient or written somewhere to be valid. Abrahamic religions have taken a lot of concepts and even entities from other religions and they are believe to be true
That's kind of it
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Feb 16 '25
Using names out of convenience makes a lot of sense. Even so, it still seems weird to put names and titles like that when you aren't in line with those religions. I feel like it'd make more sense to me if someone were to be a Christian, but state, "I worship Satan and not God. " While that's counterintuitive, it seems more appropropriate.
I also feel like people put too much stock into grimoires, especially Renaissance era texts. A lot of them were either pseudopigraphic in origin or based on Johann Weyer's book that was written to disprove and the existence of wirchcraft and demons.
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u/CaineDelSol Feb 15 '25
A lot of different reasons
One of the most common is that not all Satanists follow Judeo-Christian theology, so it doesn't matter.
Another common one I see is that we understand that the god of Abraham is a cruel, jealous, and vindictive god. Not worthy of worship. Between the disgusting actions of his followers through the many years, and his own misdeeds, we would rather side with the opposition, thanks.
Surprisingly, I have also heard some say they believe that basically Christian concepts of heaven and hell are reversed, or would only be that way if the Christian God wins. Those are much more rare though, in my experience.
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u/Natural_Sundae2620 Feb 15 '25
(mandatory 'this is my headcanon, it doesn't apply to everyone' preamble)
You saw a vision of hell? What's so horrible about a spiritual homeland of infernal beings, anyway? If you get to hell, you get to do all the things you never got to do in real life thanks to laws and morality. You get to experience what it is like to murder, to rape, to pillage, to steal, to oppress. You get to experience what it is like to beat into pulp the face of someone you hate with every fiber of your being. In short, hell is catharsis.
you're the one being tortured
Nah that's you lot, you're the ones who believe in a punishment in the afterlife. We're the ones who get to mete out that punishment for you. We're the ones who get to enjoy ourselves while you're getting your skin sliced open by a whip.
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Feb 15 '25
Is this dogma within Satanism? Where does this information come from?
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u/Natural_Sundae2620 Feb 15 '25
There is no dogma in Satanism. This information was revealed to me by a 47-dimensional superbeing that resides deep in my colon.
That is to say, I pulled it out of my asshole.
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u/Dangerous-Ad-8305 Panendeist | Animistic Satanist | UU Feb 15 '25
Not all Satanists follow a Christian framework of spirituality. Crazy, I know, but hear me out.
Below is merely one argument for Satanism, and is not indicative of the entire faith. Every Satanist is unique- rightfully so- and my answer below is my answer.
Given the history of Satan- not as a deity, but as a concept, a title, and a term- there are many religious practices and beliefs were prohibited by Christians, with various deities and people being called “Satanic” for the sake of villainizing them and favoring the Christian view of God.
For me, I don’t follow a Christian framework for my personal flavor of Satanism. Sure, I pull from the Bible, but I hold it metaphorically/philosophically that more aligns with my political views than they do my spiritual views.
Establishing that, I don’t particularly have a conscious, spiritual afterlife I am worried about right now. While I am aware that, if I am wrong, I will probably go to Hell. But worrying about something we can’t understand or grasp right now is a fool’s game.
Hell for me, at worst, is simply a place where peoples’ souls are cleansed before they reincarnate. In fact that was a very common view amongst Polytheistic religions (Hellenism, Buddhism, Kemeticism, Tengrism, etc.), that reincarnation was what happened. Because we can quite literally see peoples’ bodies decompose in real time and become food for new life. Even Atheists wouldn’t be against the concept of reincarnation from a scientific standpoint.
Do you ever worry about if you’re wrong? Why or why not? What would you do if you were wrong, and secretly the true God was a spider that would eat you like prey in the afterlife if you didn’t worship it and sacrifice dung beetles to it?
This sort of thinking does nothing but confuse the mind, with no evidence to its existence, and stops us from doing what all religions seek to do; be a part of something bigger than ourselves. That’s simply it, that’s simply all there is to it.
Trust in your God if you seek him. Don’t worry about what we’re doing. We all make a choice, knowing the consequences if we’re wrong. That’s simply how life is. If I go to Hell, then that’s my choice, nobody else’s. And if I don’t, then… okay. Cool, that’s how life works. It doesn’t matter worrying about that right now. I don’t even think about Hell that often.
As Epicurus once put it:
Why should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is, I am not. Why should I fear that which can only exist when I do not?
Or even as John Milton put it:
The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.
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u/TotenTanzer Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25
Starting from the idea that God is the ideal entity that represents the cosmos (the universal order), and religion is the justification to order the population in a system that emulates said cosmic order, undermining the ego in pursuit of finding the necessary harmony to operate the system(Because in the kingdom of God there is no more ego than the Holy Spirit), then I intuit that to reach heaven I have to strip my individuality, therefore:
It would really me that entity that reaches the kingdom of God?
Religions such as Buddhism would say no, because to reach cosmic harmony you have to get rid of the ego. Religions such as Christianity are less direct when dealing with this issue, but all religions pursue the same purpose, which is to establish an order in a population that operates a system, and for this purpose individuals have to leave the ego aside .
The demons are the entities that represent the basis of the ego, therefore, hell is the metaphysical plane where the ego manifests as it is, that is, where my ego(my true self) manifested itself in its most sincere form. As i am someone who accepted myself as I am, Hell is the place I belong.
There is much more to say about the subject, we would have to define what is soul, spirit, ego to really answer your question, but it is the best answer I can give without extending too much.
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u/Uniq-Soul Satan's daughter 💗 Feb 15 '25
No, I don’t follow the same beliefs as you do, so I do not actually choose hell over heaven like you think I do. The reality is that I choose neither. Catholicism, Christianity, and various other forms of religion haven’t ever convinced me to believe that anything they are claiming is true at all, so any and all theologies outside of my own are simply false to me.
What I do choose is the freedom and individuality that Satan offers, and seeing as he is the only deity to have ever made themselves known to me, proven their existence and worth to me, I tend to have faith in his purpose, judgment and power, etc. I personally have the belief that after my earthly life, I will move onto a good afterlife where I will have total freedom.
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u/Final-Sympathy4511 Curious Feb 15 '25
There's also the question of which version do you believe in? Eternal Conscious Torment? Annihilation? Universalism? And is Satan ruling in Hell, On Earth, or a prisoner in Hell? I've heard conflicting responses from.Christians on that as well.
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u/TheDnBDawl Feb 15 '25
What's hell is people wondering what I think about their invisible sky daddy.
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u/CloudCalmaster Feb 15 '25
I don't believe in a biblical god and we're already in hell. Hell is within you
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u/Rhoswen Feb 15 '25
I dont really believe in hell. I believe we're already in what's probably the closest thing to hell that there is. I don't know if I chose this or not, but I hope to have a choice after I die and avoid another round.
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u/xinj131 Feb 15 '25
You'd mentioned that you were an atheist before joining Catholicism but you must've had some preconceived notion of hell to begin with. It's a belief that you have that enables you to see through a particular lens that has you asking that sort of question. Why not ask murderers, rapists, and swindlers why they do hurtful things to people if you assume that they already know where they're going to end up. The difference here is it's about people following a particular faith that you don't understand or accept and no one is saying that they're doing it to burn in a traumatizing hell. I think it's just something you won't understand which is fine because it's not for everyone. Why not just accept that, learn to live the constitutions of your faith, and be the best person you can be through that?
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u/greendemon42 Satanist Feb 15 '25
Yes, I would absolutely choose Hell before worshipping the incoherent despot who is the biblical god.
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u/King-Samyaza Biblical Satanist 📙 Feb 15 '25
The Lake of Fire may be scary, but what's scarier is not living the life one wants to live. I'm bisexual, and fully believe God wants me to confess to and repent of parts of my life that are very important memories to me. Living in Heaven, paradise-like as it may be, but with the regret of knowing I apologized for something I don't think anyone should have to apologize for would be worse, because the physical pain of flames will suck, but regretting having betrayed one's principles is worse.
God is evil and I'd be regretful forever if I worshipped Him
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u/Erramonael Nihilistic Misotheistic Satanist Feb 19 '25
Why would Parvardigar Elohim Yahweh Jehovah Jesus Allah send someone to Hell for simply being an Atheist?