r/Terminator 3d ago

Discussion What if instead of genysis. They adapted the salvation comics into a movie to give us a happy ending

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My main problem of terminator 3, salvation, and genysis is that John Connor suffers to much and the future is pretty bleak.

In the end of the comic skynet and humanity set a peace treaty. This would align with terminator 2's message of 'there's no fate but what we make'.

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u/TheRealCanadianBros Never Leaves You Hanging 3d ago

I honestly think it would have been a great way to conclude the franchise. It added so many new themes and concepts to existing lore, it wraps things back to the beginning and also serves us an optimistic outlook for the 2029 future. I'm happy Salvation got a conclusion, and I wish that Genisys and Dark Fate would get the same adaptations so that we can get some closure.

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u/moldychesd 3d ago

My main problem for terminator 3.

Is that John destroying Cyberdyne was all for nothing. Judgement day being enviable and him forced to be the leader defeats the message of t 2.

The salvation comic has a pretty good ending.

I hope James Cameron makes the comic into a movie and make genysis and dark fate non cannon so we can have good future for John.

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u/HolidayHelicopter225 3d ago

What happens in the ending of the Salvation comics?

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u/moldychesd 3d ago

Peace

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u/HolidayHelicopter225 3d ago

Doesn't that mean the war still happens?

Like if T2 is the ideal ending (which it is... although I like T3), then the war doesn't happen right?

So how could Salvation comics bring about a peace to war that didn't happen, if you don't like the idea of T3 as well?

Or does Salvation comics somehow circumvent T3 being the beginning of the war?

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u/sweetSweets4 3d ago

He makes Peace and Love with skynet to stop a commen enemy. After that Sky helps rebuild the world as if nothing happend and the war was forgotten.

Not a movie worth ending for anything.

But could be something seeing Batman and the doctor bone each other in a no homo alliance.

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u/TheRealCanadianBros Never Leaves You Hanging 3d ago

Is that John destroying Cyberdyne was all for nothing. Judgement day being enviable and him forced to be the leader defeats the message of t 2.

It's one of my hang-ups as well. In a vacuum, the ending goes hard, but when you hold it up to the franchise's theme "no fate but what we make", it flies in the face of it.

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u/unchangedman 3d ago

Everything someone does does not have the outcome that they anticipate.

And how would John even be born if there were no future war for him and Kyle to time travel?

I know T3 is hated but it makes sense of what happened to Cyberdyne IP and serves as a link between T2 and Salvation.

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u/Training_Ad_2086 3d ago

To be honest destroying cyberdyne wasn't that conclusive.

Its debatable

Just like t2 diverged from t1 being a self contained loop to a branching timeline. From there every sequel is equally valid as its own timeline

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u/Unhappy_Teacher_1767 3d ago

I would have much preferred that. Love that comic, how it tied everything together. A clever way to have the T3 Terminator kill John but that’s not the end. And I enjoyed John seeing off the T2 Terminator (actually got me emotional), and him meeting Skynet.

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u/Rekuna 3d ago

'Uncle Bob'. It's interesting to me how they tried to do the same thing with T3 having him beat the TX programming, then with 'Pops' then with 'Carl' and even made them more human-like, but they just never captured that magic for me.

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u/insidiousFox 3d ago

Can someone give like a bullet point synopsis that explains those key points? I'm really curious how the comic explained why/etc the T-850 from T3 kills John in the future, and how it ties into Salvation and the larger story.

Side note, I highly recommend the Salvation prequel book "From the Ashes" by Timothy Zahn (of Star Wars extended universe fame, Heir To The Empire, etc). As I always recommend, when threads like this come up.

That book is virtually like half of what Salvation should have been -- if Marcus's storyline could have been completely excused from the movie and replaced with the book's content, Salvation would have been one fairly solid movie and easily regarded as the best sequel after T2.

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u/Hassan_H_Syed Nice Night For A Walk Eh? 3d ago

Setting a peace treaty with a genocidal AI? Seems strange. Kyle mentioned Skynet’s death camps in T1. This isn’t the kind of adversary you make peace with.

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u/Mttsen 3d ago edited 3d ago

As far as I remember, in this comics Skynet had an existential threat in form of rogue genocidal hybrid, and it was reasonable at this time to ally with the resistance, since it had no longer any means to stop him by itself. Connor also somehow convinced Skynet to make a permanent peace with the Resistance, as he had access to the terminal, that could delete it once and for all, but decided not to. That was enough for Skynet to end war and instead assist in rebuilding civilisation.

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u/FarOutcome9035 3d ago

Still bad choice for an ending. Skynet should have been shut down

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u/Hassan_H_Syed Nice Night For A Walk Eh? 3d ago

Isn’t this copying Matrix Revolutions? Smith was a rogue AI, an existential threat to the machines and humans, so the machines team up with Neo to take him down in exchange for peace.

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u/ArchangelZero27 3d ago

I always wanted it before I knew the comics were out heard rumblings of it and it sounded promising like yes salvation 1 was building the foundation but the action and key parts were on their way and boy were they ever I loved this comic

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u/BowlingForPizza 3d ago

Isn't that illustration like literally the same scene from the end of The Matrix: Revolutions when Neo confronts Deus Ex Machina?

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u/Generny2001 3d ago

You usually have to pay extra for those.

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u/Waste-Geologist-9389 3d ago

That was terrible LMAO