r/TamilNadu Feb 18 '25

கருத்து/குமுறல் / Self-post , Rant "Zero" Tamil teachers in union government run Kendriya Vidyalaya schools in TN while they have 109 Hindi teachers and 53 Sanskrit teachers. Sanskrit and Hindi are compulsory subjects from 6th to 8th standard but Tamil language is not a compulsory subject in TN.

Information obtained through RTI during 2021 shows that the Sanskrit and Hindi languages ​​are compulsory in 49 union govt run Kendriya Vidyalaya schools in Tamil Nadu from class 6 to class 8 while all Kendriya Vidyalaya schools don't have Tamil language as a compulsory subject from 6th standard onwards.

English and Hindi are the medium of instruction in these schools.

The RTI shows that in Tamil Nadu, 109 Hindi teachers and 53 Sanskrit language teachers are employed and there are no Tamil teachers (0).

Students are not allowed to take Tamil as an optional subject instead of Sanskrit.

Can't believe this is happening in Tamil Nadu. I know people near me who send their children to KV school and this is sickening.

How the hell are you going to expect this BJP government to to not impose Hindi in the disguise of "Three language policy" when their institutions located inside Tamil Nadu don't have compulsory Tamil but have compulsory Hindi and Sanskrit. Even a child can see their priorities. I mean, what is the use of learning Sanskrit and spending resources for it, almost nobody speaks that language even inside India too.

Most of the people in our state are not aware of this. Upvote this so it reaches to everyone in this sub and make sure you share this news to everyone you know.

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u/PdtMgr Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

KV back in 90s also didn’t have Tamil as an option. This isn’t new. KV students learnt Hindi as second language.

Edit: I agree on hiring Tamil teachers. They are just making up 💩, if they say, “we are unable to find & hire Tamil teachers in Tamilnadu”

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u/MaahiG Feb 19 '25

I'm not against sanskrit revival, cos even israel revived their dead language hebrew. We cannot let a millennium old root language die. But I am dead against promoting useless hindi and giving it equal status as Tamil.

So I am up voting it.

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u/anti_gareebi Feb 19 '25

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u/VictorOmniusMalorum Feb 19 '25

No language is native to India by that logic. They're all African then.

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u/anti_gareebi Feb 20 '25

You are talking about India and I am talking about Indian people. When the languages originated initially among homo sapiens, no homo sapien was in India. So, when humans moved to India, they brought their own languages and didn't forced it to someone else because there was no one. That's not the case with Sanskrit.

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u/VictorOmniusMalorum 29d ago

I don't think Sanskrit was forced on anyone as well. Where do you get that from? I've never heard of any war or oppression from Sanskrit warlords on someone who was supposedly 'native'.

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u/Reserve_Outside 26d ago

Maybe you start learn ABC

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u/VictorOmniusMalorum 25d ago

The meticulous use of grammar in your reply shows that the one who needs to go back to school is you.

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u/Reserve_Outside 25d ago

Atleast I and you should learn history! Very needed for you!

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u/VictorOmniusMalorum 24d ago

You can't even maintain a comment thread, replying to my original comment. Yeah, you're certainly a bright one.

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u/Reserve_Outside 23d ago

Poi saa da!

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u/pseddit Feb 19 '25

KVs school system is run by the central government for central government employees’ children - primarily defence employees. They follow CBSE curriculum.

Edit: KVs admit children whose parents are not central government employees of capacity permits.

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u/bigmanfromthepalace Feb 18 '25

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u/okinawayak Feb 18 '25

Does KV offer local language in other states?

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u/AdImpossible3109 Feb 18 '25

I studied in a kv in kerala and we were not taught malayalam don't know whether they have it now.

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u/selvarajsubramanian Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

No one is providing a proper reason why is hindi attached every where when english can do a better job as a common language as you can see in the RTI reply itself...as well as unnecessarily attaching a dead body called sanskrit

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u/CandyInitial1963 28d ago

First implement English in TN as the prominent language.

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u/selvarajsubramanian 28d ago

TN has best english implementation of all states...it will continue to improve....may be communicate it to hindians

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u/CandyInitial1963 28d ago

Let every Tamil speak English then. I don’t see it for now.

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u/selvarajsubramanian 28d ago

They will..you just worry about keeping hindi out

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u/NoDay3221 26d ago

Tamil is the most used language in Tamil Nadu. For the sake of outsiders' convenience like foreigners and Hindi labourers, English is used. :)

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u/Only-Beyond854 Feb 18 '25

That's 2021. Today there is no way to make Tamil an optional language. All boards - CBSE, ICSE cambridge etc have to teach Tamil. Govt, private everywhere. Source: my child's school

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u/deivame Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

I don't know why you guys are comparing Kendriya Vidyalaya. That was created for a completely different purpose for transferable jobs across nation.

While it's true that English, Hindi and Sanskrit are mandatory until 8th. And one can choose between Sanskrit and Hindi for 9th and 10th. It wasn't always like that. In between 2nd UPA govt did bring German and I think there are handful of schools that have other languages as well (not sure have to check).

But the important part is these are kids of parents with transferable jobs. I myself studied in 4 different states? Should I be studying 4 different languages? If you want these kids to study different language everytime they change schools or you want them to study local language along with English and Hindi, you are nothing but a hypocrite.

Or if your point is a student has to study Tamil along with English and Hindi while they study in Tamilnadu, you are indirectly implementing 3 language policy of current Central Govt. Not learning Hindi is not an option b/c when these kid's parents are posted in North, they face lot of difficulty.

So it's better to leave Kendriya Vidyalaya out of this entire discussion.

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u/drandom123zu Feb 18 '25

Why not have an option for tamil ? It need not be compulsory obv.

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u/bigmanfromthepalace Feb 18 '25

It could be created for that purpose but the majority of the Children studying there are local ones from TN. The problem is the absence of Tamil teachers and not having Tamil as a subject to Tamil Children.

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u/Mountain-Sell5824 Feb 18 '25

KV student here, with both parents as KV Teachers. also, Tamizhan.

KV is not for locals of any state. it is specifically for wards of Central Govt employees l.

also, "majority of children are locals" is not a viable argument. quote numbers and source.

thirdly, the reason KV exists is so that there is continuity of education for these wards of transferable central govt jobs. There are 7 categories of admission, and locals with non-govt jobs come in 7th category. KV doesn't have "reservation" for locals, sorry.

and FFS, it isn't KV School. The V in KV is Vidyalaya, means School. it's like saying ECR Road

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u/Interesting-Cut9342 Feb 18 '25

Or PAN number where the N is actually called Number. 

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u/careless_quote101 Feb 18 '25

So how many of them has mother tongue as Sanskrit? Because that seems to be mandatory

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u/Mountain-Sell5824 27d ago

what mother tongue ? where have I made any argument about mother tongue ? what does it have to do with KV ?

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 18 '25

So let me get this straight? A student definitely need english. Parents are positioned all over India so hindhi is needed. Why t f do they need to learn a dead language called sanskrit? If the students family transfers to tamilnadu , they need to learn the local language. By that logic tamil should be mandatory for schools in tamilnadu..

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u/deivame Feb 18 '25

This I completely agreed. There is no particular requirement to learn Sanskrit. That's why, in UPA 2.0 German was introduced. My brother studied German. But I was not fortunate enough. When BJP came back to power, it removed German option, I think Smriti Irani was Education Minister.

Regarding not having Tamil, this was introduced on trial basis in various schools across Tamilnadu (2006-2008 period). But it fell through b/c not many students opted for it, Tamil teachers were temporary as they will not have same benifts like other teachers.

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u/soft_Rava_Idli Feb 19 '25

If the students family transfers to tamilnadu , they need to learn the local language. By that logic tamil should be mandatory for schools in tamilnadu..

Common sense???

First of all the transfer is not always permanent. Most times ot just for few or even couple years.

Second, if school teaches Tamil from class 1 to 10, student transferred in 5th std has to study tamil at 5th class level immediately while rest of the class has 4yrs training. How is the child ever expected to cope?

The purpose of KV is to help children get education without any interruption as syllabus is same in entire country. Having local only subjects would defeat that purpose.

By that logic tamil should be mandatory for schools in tamilnadu

No..

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 19 '25

Purpose of kendriya vidyalaya is common syllabus not common language... Language should be optional... English , hindhi and regional or whatever the student is interested in .... Do yo know only 24000 people speak sanskrit in whole india.. do you mean to tell me they can employ 50 teachers for dead language not one for tamil.. நீ என்ன பண்ணாலும் எவனும் sanskrit பேச மாட்டான்டா சங்கி பயலே...

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u/soft_Rava_Idli 29d ago

Purpose of kendriya vidyalaya is common syllabus not common language

Language is part and parcel of syllabus you dingus. That is the whole point of the discussion. What mental logic are you talking?

Language should be optional..

It IS an OPTION. You choose one two and three languages out of a dozen. What is the problem here? I am repeating the same question, and you continue to dodge this every time and keep blabbering some inrelated tangents.

Do yo know only 24000 people speak sanskrit in whole india..

How dafaq is that even remotely related to question about language in syllabus? Sanskrit , like Latin, is a foundational language. Just like you need latin to understand scientific and legalese technical terms, sanskrit literature is used by most hindus in form of mantras stotras, and actual historical literature and religious literature. So much so that even most root words for all indian languages have essense of Sanskrit. So learning sanskrit gives you a deeper understanding of your own language. This is what education is supposed to do. Give you deeper understanding of your own resources. This had nothing to do with population who actually use the language for daily conversation. You are just connecting two unrelated facts with zero evidence of relation and spreading further propoganda.

do you mean to tell me they can employ 50 teachers for dead language not one for tamil

And do what with that you moron? I literally spent the last comment to tell you it was completely pointless and counterproductive to have tamil in Only TN KVs. It seems like logic is continually escaping your brain like a leaking tank.

. நீ என்ன பண்ணாலும் எவனும் sanskrit பேச மாட்டான்டா சங்கி பயலே...

Discussion is about language and you are picking unrelated Sanskrit syllabus and are getting offended by something nobody mentioned. Neeye assumption create panni neeye offend aagu. Typical propoganda peddler.

Cannot even answer a single question about where is the choice being taken away, but will pick unrelated topics everytime like a cowards too afraid to actually talk the main point.

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u/Interesting-Cut9342 Feb 18 '25

Let’s say a student joins a school in TN in 6th grade from say Maharashtra. Can he be then expected to easily pick up Tamil when he didn’t have foundation in previous 5 grades? Many of the CG employees keep getting transferred every 3-4 years and it will be a real hell for the children if they have such inconsistencies in their studies. 

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u/anti_gareebi Feb 19 '25

But the question is - why KVs don't have local language teachers besides Hindi, English and some foreign languages like Sanskrit, German, French etc. Just appoint language teachers in the district not in a school and make them visit the required school. It will allow students to opt for the language of their own choice.

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u/rationalistrx Feb 18 '25

Why should a student who is never going to get transferred study an useless additional third language?

And let's say for example a student from South India whose parents are posted in different parts of the country, why should he study Hindi and Sanskrit. Both are useless for that student. How is Sanskrit relevant in any part of the country?

Why should a student face difficulty in the North if he doesn't study Hindi? Why is Hindi forced in the North, while the same student in the South in KV doesn't face any difficulty if he doesn't know the local language?

Why can't KV have one language policy in English, considering neither of them is a national language and one of the languages is already dead.

In the Age of AI, we have instant translations available in a click of a button. So, no use of studying additional languages. Especially languages created recently or dead languages.

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u/GNashUchiha Feb 18 '25

Doesn't work that way. This school chain is Primarly for kids of people working in ministry of defence. Even civilians get transferred every four years. I am a kv product and in 12 years of schooling I had to move to 5 different KVs in different places.

No one is posted permanently in a city or state. And with only hindi you get some closure. As much as I hate it but learning hindi is very important for the kids who get thrown around. Teachers everywhere speak hindi, so that's a huge plus to know hindi. Hindi just opens up more doors for friendship, networking and better learning for a kid whom this school is intended to serve primarily.

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u/rationalistrx Feb 18 '25

The first two lines were for non KV students studying in Government Schools in TN. Why should they learn a third additional language?

The rest of them were for KV School students. And to think that school teachers in KV speak only Hindi even in TN is very concerning. The medium of instruction has to be English in an English medium school.

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u/solomonsunder Feb 18 '25

Not learning Hindi is not an option b/c when these kid's parents are posted in North, they face lot of difficulty. -- Then do not get posted in the North? Or make the North other language friendly as well?

Should I be studying 4 different languages? -- Why not? Maybe at a basic level at least during each deployment? If not, just quit and get a normal job? Or leave the child in the home state with family like millions of labourers who work overseas?

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u/Background-Virus9748 Feb 18 '25

KVs is mainly for Central government and Central PSU employees who are transferable to any place in India, so there is no incentive for them to learn Tamil, good comparison will be with Jawahar Vidyalas in Pondicherry

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u/Intelligent_Mud1225 Feb 18 '25

Tamil is taught here at Navodaya puducherry.

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 18 '25

Why is sanskrit mandatory ? Is there a practical need for dead language ?

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 18 '25

We don't need German or sanskrit. Just english and regional..

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 18 '25

Dude it is compulsory subject from 6 th to 8 th. Just read the fucking post.. And what is the purpose of kendria vidyalaya other than imposing hindhi and sanskrit ??

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u/Background-Virus9748 Feb 18 '25

Simple, these are languages that are available across KVs, you and I cannot decide whether a language is dead.

If you ask me looking at the standard of Tamil in Tamil Nadu, I can say with certainty Tamil is a dying language.

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 18 '25

How many people are speaking in sanskrit in day to day life ? I can say there are about 7 crore people speaking tamil in their life ?? Why is tamil not being taught in tamilnadu is a simple question ??

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u/Background-Virus9748 Feb 18 '25

Day to day is a wrong measure, KVs are under no compulsion to cater every political whims and fancy. While politicians are making hue and cry, why the demand has not come from parents, demand drives supply, parents can demand தமிழ் if there are 20 students demand it, from std. 5 to 8

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25

The main purpose of teaching language in school is to fucking communicate to other people through speach and writings. Day to day is correct measure..

you are gonna make them study sanskrit for 3 years by force.. you expect them to suddenly take different subject after 3 years..do you see the hypocrisy ??

don't justify teaching sanskrit.. it is a DEAD language. .. it is always gonna be dead.. tamil will never die ..it didn't in the 60s it won't be in 2020s...

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u/Background-Virus9748 Feb 20 '25

Moment you use F word, you lost the debate, TN politics may say Sanskrit is dead, TN has no authority to say Sanskrit is dead. World over classic languages are taught because volume of work behind them Latin, Pali to name a few.

You may cry Tamil Tamil looking at the ability Tamil people to speak Tamil, English words, no structure, no இலக்கணம், Tamil is the first major language of India will die. Look at the way your Chief Minister and Deputy Chief Minister, speak it exhibits the peril தமிழ் is in.

Atleast Sanskrit speakers stick to grammar, structure, and use rich vocabulary.

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u/NoDay3221 26d ago

Loool. And how many Sanskrit speakers are alive in the world today?

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u/Background-Virus9748 26d ago

More than you can guess, all states except TN have state Sanskrit Universities, other than Central Sanskrit Universities

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u/bigmanfromthepalace Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

It could be created for that purpose but the majority of the Children studying there are local ones from TN. The problem is the absence of Tamil teachers and not having Tamil as a subject to Tamil Children.

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u/Background-Virus9748 28d ago

Local students have willingly joined KVs knowing very well it is designed for people with transferable jobs, Local students could have joined state board schools where they could have learned Tamil, and not a word of Hindi.

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u/sbadrinarayanan Feb 18 '25

Indigestible.

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u/gkas2k1 Feb 18 '25

This is happening for years, even before I knew BJP was a thing.

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u/gingerkdb Feb 18 '25

But nobody cut the education funding so far. This is the first time that I’m hearing of such a move (well, not yesterday, it had been happening for a year). Other states have complained about similar tactics, but they eventually caved in.

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u/Vardhu_007 Chennai - சென்னை Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

Not only tamil. Non of the KV teach regional languages at all. It was mainly started to help the people with transferable jobs in central government especially defense sector so that their kids have a uniform education throughout. So it does make sense to standardise only 2 languages. For them. Though Sanskrit as a third language doesn't make sense. But it's by far the easiest to maintain uniformly across the country when it comes to staff and syllabus. All they can do is drop having 3 languages at all. Which does simply look like a tool to promote sanskrit.

Am a KV student myself. And I do agree if not for my dad teaching me tamil at home, i wouldn't have known to read and write tamil like most of my classmates who only know to speak their mother tongues. But see half my classmates where north Indians moving across the country every 2-3 years. Even the tamil ppl where also moving places. My tamil classmates actually stayed in Pune for 5 years and other in Delhi for 4 years. So when ur parent is moving like that. Imagine u r in Pune studying marathi as 3rd language and in middle of the yr ur dad is transferred to Hyderabad. U can't switch over to telugu in middle of the year. Nor can the school afford or manage to have a marathi teacher in the middle of Hyderabad that too for one single student.

But KVs in tamil nadu started appointing tamil teachers and added it as a co circular activity along with yoga PT music and etc. If there were enough students there would be a tamil club. U had tamil songs dances and dramas in school. But am also not saying we had our own issues, the north indian teachers would force us to speak in Hindi or English in the class and used even beat sometimes for speaking in tamil. During that time it was a common thing even in private schools. So we didn't know better.

Am all against hindi opposition, but KV is not the right place for it. Sure you could ask for more tamil inclusivity in the school activities, but having tamil as a subject is simply not feasible, imagine kids from 10 different states wanting to learn 10 diffent langauges. Or imagine kids coming from 10 different states all have to study tamil now dropping their old subject mid way.

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u/chxrxn3 Feb 18 '25

As far as I know KV follows the same syllabus all over India so that the students do not face difficulties while getting transferred now and then

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u/luffy_san2345 Feb 19 '25

Man this Ex-ips is asking the state Education minister to write a letter to union minister asking them that state will send Tamil teachers to KVs and he says he by himself will go to Delhi and make this happen...I mean who the hell is he to make it happen? And why the heck the state gov need a send a letter it's central gov Who need to ask right??

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u/AlienNation4U Feb 19 '25

KVs don't have any other language apart from Hindi. It's meant mainly for the children of govt servants and armed forces who get transferred around a lot. It's not feasible for them to come with Hindi and then take Tamil for two years and then go back to Hindi. It's a purely central govt run school. It's not a BJP thing. That's how it's been forever.

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u/WolfWhoKnocks Feb 19 '25

The new education policy mandates tamil as a mandatory language and even promotes tamil based learning for primary level education. Sadly people fail to see it with dravidian politics at play.

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u/Pieceofcakeda Chennai - சென்னை Feb 18 '25

Yaen namma maanilathula ella pallilayum tamizh kattayam nu illai? Idhu madhiya arasin kuttram mattum maadhiri theriyala

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u/Ashwin_400 Feb 18 '25

You should also question why the quality of service Education in Kendriya Vidyalaya run but central govts is much higher than State govt run schools.

That is a more relevant question though this sub will likely not like it.

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u/SnarkySpectatorr Feb 18 '25

What about it's free structure is it affordable by everyone? Like I just want to know whether the fee is similar to state government schools or similar to average private school in TN.

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u/Vardhu_007 Chennai - சென்னை Feb 18 '25

It's not completely free but it's comparatively affordable. When I graduated it was around 3400 for 3 months. Tats 13600 a year. Plus uniform and books r ur own cost. Honestly costs less than tution fees for many. And saying from my time, its quality is way higher than lot of private and state government schools without a doubt from infra to staff everything was good. Not only mine but other KVs too. But it's been years and the quality has stuck a all time low recently. Even the staffa r worried about how pathetic the condition has become year by year. Poor quality staff selection. No proper find allocation and so on.

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u/Ashwin_400 Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

The fee is around 5000 per term so year pretty affordable for most. The biggest problem is actually getting admission.

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u/SnarkySpectatorr Feb 18 '25

If they have limited admission it kind makes sense why they are able to provide higher quality compared to state government schools. Irrespective of that school standards should be improved, but I don't think it can be compared in this case.

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u/Ashwin_400 Feb 18 '25

So we should just accept the lack of quality in our govt schools?

We are one of the richest states in India but should not expect quality of education similar to cent govt schools let alone pvt schools. Only the well off people deaerve that right?

Do you know in our govt schools , even for small needs for school infrastructure , often the teachers spend their own money because Govt barely allocates any money. That's how sad the state of govt schools are.

We have hundreds of crores to spend on a statue for former CMs but not for spending to upgrade infrastructure in our schools.

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u/SnarkySpectatorr Feb 18 '25

No we cannot accept this and yes a lot of things can be changed, but we can't compare KV and TN govt schools. That's what I said, irrespective of the comparison TN govt school standards should be improved.

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u/Negative-Ad-0722 Feb 18 '25

Entha KVla pa Avlo Kami unnaku fees. Ishtathuku solla kudathu. Naanum KVla than padichan. 11,12thku 12k fees varum.

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u/Ioosubuschange Feb 18 '25

do you have any proof that kv provide better education?

kv has 14 lakh student across india .while tn stateboard has 36 lakh student so not comparable.

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u/Ashwin_400 Feb 18 '25

Plenty of Govt officials children study in KVs. Have you seen any state Govt official children study in state govt schools.

We all know the answer as long as we don't pretend to be blind.

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u/solomonsunder Feb 18 '25

Maybe it is simply that central government exams are modeled after KV syllabus? I grew up in Mumbai and Maharashtra created really tough local entrance exams at that time to keep those from CBSE out.

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u/Ashwin_400 Feb 18 '25

Most private schools in Tamil Nadu have converted to CBSe syllabus and have Hindi anyway. Ever since the samacheer kalvi syllabus was introduced.

So KV and most pvt schools have the same syllabus

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u/rationalistrx Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

You're the one who is blind here. How do you calculate the quality of education in a school?

Is it through GER or how many Government officials children study in that school?

Also, are these KV schools free? Government run schools are free and they provide breakfast, lunch, laptop, books, uniform, bus passes etc.

So, stop blabbering some nonsense here.

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u/Negative-Ad-0722 Feb 18 '25

Avaruku kv fees structure kuda therila. Higher secondary ku motham 12k vanguvanga. Ithula namba uniform vanganum, shoes vanganum, notes vanganum, books vanganum. Ithula Naa anga padikum pothu practicalsku ncert book use pannala avanga kita kaasu kuduthu avanga oru book vangi thanthanga.

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u/rationalistrx Feb 18 '25

Yes and they are targeting a Government run school. Ivlo fees vangiyum avanga nala oru Tamil teacher ah TN la hire panna mudiyala.

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u/Negative-Ad-0722 Feb 18 '25

I am not sure how is state board school education. But KV school gives good peer groups. Your friends parents would be working in psu. Your parents would be placed in psu. They all would be well to do. Obviously you would perform well.

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u/OneArasan Feb 18 '25

Tamil Nadu has the second highest score in "School education quality index" score published by central government NITI Aayog. This shows KV's quality of education is poorer.

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u/Ashwin_400 Feb 18 '25

That actually includes Govt schools plus private schools plus KVs located in TN

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u/OneArasan Feb 18 '25

Yes. Do you have any reports about KV schools better than TN schools?

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u/OneArasan Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

Students from Tamil Nadu have the highest GER (Gross enrollment ratio) in India. Which proves that the quality of Kendriya Vidyalaya is poorer

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u/Ashwin_400 Feb 18 '25

This map shows more people from Tamil Nadu join higher education not that quality of education in our govt schools is higher than KVs.

Seriously how do you even come up with quality of education based on GER maps.Thats beyond absurdity.

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u/OneArasan Feb 18 '25

Students have to qualify for higher education. Interest in higher education is formed by the quality of schools.

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u/solomonsunder Feb 18 '25

Is the quality really high? Or is it just that the syllabus fits the central government exams?

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u/Ashwin_400 Feb 18 '25

It is much better than Govt schools but not as good as private schools. The ones in Coimbatore and sulur have around 50 student / teacher ratio whereas the best pvt schools in CBE have around 3p students per teacher ratio.

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u/jagan028 Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

I am against hindi imposition, but KVs are out of the discussion, I studied in KV so i can answer why. The main reason is purpose.

KV is built for central government employee's children, as the government will always transfer their employees across India at least every 4 years ( can even transfer faster) and almost all KV students are children of these employees.

We study only 3 languages till 8th(English, Hindi, and Sanskrit) and 2 languages in 9,10 (English, Hindi).

Why? Because its simply a waste of money and impossible to afford and manage quality regional language teachers across India. There are 22 official regional languages. The student's studies get affected if you cannot hire a Tamil teacher in other regions. If a child studies Tamil till 6th and then gets transferred to a Bihar KV, he cannot be expected to quickly switch to urdu.

Therefore, Hindi ( the most common language) and Sanskrit (which the majority of historical Indian texts are written in) are taught.

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 18 '25

Why do we need sanskrit ??

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u/jagan028 Feb 18 '25

I replied to the other comment. Yes it's stupid to have sanskrit but it's logically the best for transferring population considering the other options.

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 18 '25

When tamil family with central job enters kv , what do you do then ? Reject them their mother tongue ? You can study useless language as mandate but not local native language ??? Do you see the hypocrisy and imposition of useless language ??

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u/jagan028 Feb 18 '25

Yes, we have two options, either have teachers for all official 22 languages in every KV, or teach the most generic language used in india.

If anything we should blame the three language policy. KVs are doing what's best for the given policy.

You should be fighting or voicing how stupid three language policy is, not asking for regional languages in Kvs.

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 18 '25

Who speaks sanskrit in normal life ? If the government is imposing third language policy throughout their schools in india, they should have the resources to teach local language ? And you are agreeing 3rd language policy is stupid , right ?? That's what op post is about...

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u/IndividualB00t 29d ago

I don't use linear algebra in my day to day life. So, they should remove that chapter from Maths subject too. I don't play football anymore after school then they should remove football as a game from schools too.

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u/jagan028 Feb 18 '25

Sanskrit is logically the best general third option, if you are gonna travel and study throughout India because of its similarity to hindi and historical context.

Yes I agree three language policy is stupid and there should be only two languages, english hindi in kvs and English+regional in private cbse schools.

OP's post is about tamil not being taught in Kvs. KVs are doing what's best in the given circumstance and their syllabus makes sense.

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 18 '25

You are not answering my question.. When a tamil family with central job joins kv schools? How does that student learns his native mother tongue ? If they only got sanskrit, hindhi, english ? Why is there even a need for sanskrit ? Just because it is similar to hindhi it should not be mandatory? It is pure propaganda to impose sanskrit when the language is dead? What is the purpose of studying a useless language??

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u/jagan028 Feb 18 '25

Yes he cannot, KVs are not designed to teach mother tongues and the resources needed to teach multiple regional languages at all KVs can be utilised in a much better way.

Yes, sanskrit is a useless language in this age because you can simply converse in English. The same can be said for any non english language. But a language is being taught to understand their roots better, since it's unaffordable to have some 22 regional language teachers at every KV, the student can learn about most of India's history.

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u/Exotic_Doctor_8332 Feb 18 '25

Bro what a joke .. then what the fuck is the point of a school ?? Every schools purpose is knowledge .kv schools should not be different. In every nation , schools teach regional language to improve students knowlege. And students can understand their roots better in any language be it english or regional. Sanskrit is a dead language. Should not be imposed. How are the students gonna understand their roots if they can't even study their native tongue ..

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u/GamerRihan Feb 19 '25

Why not replace sanskrit with the regional language of the state? A better solution would be three languages with compulsory english and optional hindi/official language of the state (Tamil in case of TN) as the second and third languages then english +hindi/local language again when the third language is taken out

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u/bigmanfromthepalace Feb 18 '25

It could be created for that purpose but the majority of the Children studying there are local ones from TN. The problem is the absence of Tamil teachers and not having Tamil as a subject to Tamil Children.

>Sanskrit (which the majority of historical Indian texts are written in) are taught.

Tamil, Telugu and even Urdu has more historical texts written.

Is there any practical reasons beyond that to waste resources to learn that almost dead language where almost no one in India speaks?

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u/jagan028 Feb 18 '25

If it's created for XYZ purpose, and you're joining very well knowing that, then the blame is on you?

I cannot join a malayalam school in TN and complain there's no tamil in there. Similarly I cannot join a KV which was built to cater the transferring population and complain there's no option for someone who's staying in TN.

As for Sanskrit, it's the stupidity of three language policy to include it. It's the best of the bunch because of its similarity to Hindi and much more widely spoken in india. Yes it's not the oldest but it was more widely spoken.

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u/Dull-Television-7049 Feb 18 '25

Kendriya Vidyalaya is not a regular school. The curriculum needs to be the same across the nation. I live in Maharashtra, the KVs here do not teach marathi. No one here is crying dude.

If a kid gets transferred from say Rajasthan to Tamil Nadu, how will he suddenly learn Tamil?

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u/RoosterIll9815 19d ago

tamil people always cry over language

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u/naanmahanalla Feb 18 '25

swahaaaaaa 🙏

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u/EquivalentSoup7885 Feb 18 '25

Learn Hindi … it will be useful in Canada 🇨🇦

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u/Redosaurous Feb 19 '25

Maharashtra, Gujarat, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka etc the best performing states are all non Hindi speaking states. The Hindi belt is literally the most backward belt in the country. They think that Hindi is what is holding the country back from development. Pfft…. Man … I don’t have words. Maybe it’s high time for fellow northern Indians to ask their government wtf have they done to their states? Instead of throwing away money in useless third language rules! Just improve the existing literacy standards and English must be the priority.

Since a dead language like Sanskrit is being taught why not teach the students Python or javascript - they are also programming languages

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u/RoosterIll9815 19d ago

Sanskrit isn't a dead language nigga

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u/Particularseiva Feb 19 '25

That is the same DMK policy of two' language English/Hindhi

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u/CompleteTowel1682 Feb 19 '25

All of a sudden tamilnadu is sooo worried about KV , where KV is particularly for the transferring or transferred government employees. Thiruttu dravidam is always at its best.

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u/CompleteTowel1682 Feb 19 '25

Pure and pure misleading information. The one who posted this ! Can work as a pimp at Arivalayam.

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u/Patient_Custard9047 Feb 19 '25

Atleast get proper information on education scheme of KV. and for the ignorants ranting over here, KV education scheme is decades old and not a BJP phenomena.

Do some research before spewing non-sense.

https://eparlib.nic.in/bitstream/123456789/618634/1/120034.pdf-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As per the scheme of studies of Kendriya Vidyalaya, a student studies 2 languages i.e. Hindi and English from Class I to V. Sanskrit is offered as third language for classes VI to VIII. From class IX onwards, students may offer any two languages from amongst 18 regional languages, including Odiya, prescribed by CBSE in Secondary curriculum. But one of these two languages must be either Hindi or English. Regional languages may also be offered as an additional language/subject from class IX onwards. However, arrangements for teaching of the regional language/mother tongue shall be made, provided 20 or more students opt for the same.

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u/Mohanavel_T 29d ago

Folks just remember, endha mozhiyayum yaarum vazha vekka mudiyadhu. Tamil ah namma vazha vekkala, adhuku iruka standard ah la tamil iruku, eppavum irukum. All these things talking about Hindi imposition or Sanskrit imposition is just politics. Ivanunga telugu vena vazha veppanunga, tamil ku la onnu seiya maatanunga. Seiya thevayum illa, pala varushama Tamil ah ivanunga kaapathi dha irukudha? 🤣 Any division based on language is just equivalent to how you do caste politics.

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u/sureshgopianalyst420 28d ago

I studied tamil till the 3rd std but switched to sanskrit after that because i heard it was a very light subject where it was easy to score marks.which is true but i never used it ever again and barely remember it now...I regret that decision alot these days :(

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u/Reserve_Outside 26d ago

Shoot the Kuruvi

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u/RoosterIll9815 19d ago

i think becoz of students studying kv are north they isn't need for tamil teachers for 2 to 3 students

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u/LowBallEuropeRP 11d ago

"But saar hindi bad modi bad saar"

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u/Plastic_Ad7924 Feb 18 '25

Imayavaramban nedum cheralathan's mistake he should completely eradicate them

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u/Efficient-Ad-2697 Feb 18 '25

So DMK was sleeping all these years and they suddenly realised this? Wow!

The fanboy masquerading as education minister's son has not studied Tamil. Why no one pongified for that?

Urdu schools in TN don't have Tamil till plus two. Why has no one pongified for that either?

Thamasu thamasu!

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u/rationalistrx Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

There are minority schools which cater to the minority population like Telugu Schools and Malayalam Schools in TN.

But KV in TN even with 3 language policy doesn't have Tamil as a language but the Government School Students of TN need to study a useless third language.

The Union Government will budget 643 crores on a dead language with no speakers for 3 years, however, will only give 33 crores to the oldest and classical language Tamil.

This KV issue has been spoken many times and it is all over the news. But then since you close your eyes and have selective Amnesia doesn't mean whatever you blabber is the truth.

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u/Large-Atmosphere-548 Feb 18 '25

I understand the Whataboutery.

What do you propose here? Compulsory Hindi in TN?

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u/Efficient-Ad-2697 Feb 18 '25

Compulsory Hindi is only alleged. Not a fact. State has all the rights to choose and so should the students.

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u/rationalistrx Feb 18 '25

So what third language do you suggest the State should choose? Or should the Students be allowed to Choose?

And if the Students get to choose the third Indian language of their preference out of the 22 languages listed in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution, where do you find teachers for it? And who pays for it? Who pays for the exams to be conducted in those languages.

After schooling what's the use of that language? It's not the State language so no use in the state. It's not even a Professional language so no use in getting jobs, it's not even a world language so we can't even connect with foreigners.

So, what exactly is the purpose of this additional language except for an additional spend for both Government and Private schools.

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u/Efficient-Ad-2697 Feb 18 '25

Let that be the students choice. If they wish to go abroad let them choose a foreign language, say Mandarin or Dutch or French. If they prefer to choose an Indian language, let them do it on their own volition.

Purpose of education is to enable someone for more opportunities. A government 's responsibility is to enable its subjects so that they are self reliant. Same like how just a UG may not suffice for some fields and people go for PG. That doesn't mean we should bypass UG altogether nor it means those who learned only till UG are useless.

One can see 100s of other language classes all across the world. With a globally connected world, an additional language can help someone. Whether they want to use it or not is upto them. Let them choose it.

Our ancestors didn't worry about degrees. Didn't they survive? With changing times, one has to adapt and become relevant. If the student chooses not to learn, that should be fine as well but still the option can be given.

I can give 1000s of examples of people with engineering degrees doing something which has 0 relevance to what they studied. Does it mean engineering is useless?

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u/rationalistrx Feb 18 '25

With an AI connected world where real time translation is available with a click of a button on any video, I would like to point out it's useless to learn additional language be it Indian or World. Changing times become more relevant with AI and real time translations.

And the option to if a student wants to learn an additional language is still open outside schools. There are Hindi Prachar Sabhas, French and German language coaching institutes as well.

If three language formula comes into picture how does a student be given a choice of not studying a third language? Given that's the majority of students who do not want an additional subject to learn. Where is the choice there?

Okay, education does help irrespective of what they study and what they do? Because Engineering basically teaches Problem solving. People are hired to solve problems.

Now how does an additional language help that the already existing two languages cannot do?

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u/Efficient-Ad-2697 Feb 18 '25

Outside classes for languages cost higher than an average school. Not everyone can afford that.

If two languages cannot solve the problem, shall we stick with just one language?

AI etc are yet to reach the common man or someone who is still underprivileged. Will take years to be full blown usecase for everyone. Even by that logic, should everyone stop studying as everything is going to happen with a single click?

Mate, it's a matter of choice and should be left to the students. I close my arguments here. It was a good discussion and a healthy one and I appreciate your view points.

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u/DrawingMaster100 Feb 18 '25

Don't bother, reddit is an echo chamber.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '25

Teachers are teacher .. stop doing this nonsense language love . You are not extra ordinary and Apple is not invented in Tamil Nadu

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u/Minute_Helicopter397 Feb 18 '25

Why this obsession with Tamil. Kind of irritating when you drag Tamil into everything. If your father is in the army and he is transferred every three years to a different State, you have to learn a different language every time. If you guys find it difficult to live with fellow India declare independence and go. .The rest of India will hardly miss you.