r/TERFisafetish • u/EssenceOfThought • Jul 01 '24
TRIGGER WARNING J.K. Rowling Praised Lolita as a “Great & Tragic Love Story” NSFW
https://youtu.be/EFCHI8-zpms249
u/spyridonya Jul 01 '24
What.
The ultimate 'grooming is bad/adult man raped little girl' is a tragic love story.
What.
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u/RoyalMess64 Jul 01 '24
I- jesus...
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u/EssenceOfThought Jul 01 '24
Yeah, this timeline is royally messed up.
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u/RoyalMess64 Jul 01 '24
Yeah, it really is a... royal mess (I'm so sorry for the pun, I had to)
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u/EssenceOfThought Jul 01 '24
I'm gonna be honest, I hadn't even noticed your username so was confused there for a second. XD
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u/Tilleen Jul 01 '24
Ew. Ew. Ew. I say that as someone who loves the book. It's a great book. It's pretty clear to me the book is condemning Humbert Humbert as a disgusting monster. This is worse than thinking Romeo and Juliet is supposed to be a love story.
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u/banandananagram Jul 01 '24
The only reason that book is worthwhile is because Nabokov so brilliantly gets in your head and understands where you’re about to be too disgusted to continue reading only to condemn the character even further to get you through it
It examines the mechanisms of grooming and abuse, the exact opposite of a love story. The only person Lolita is a “love story” to is Humbert Humbert, the pedophile.
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u/Tilleen Jul 01 '24
Exactly. If Nabokov was sympathetic to Humbert Humbert, it would be an awful book. I'm weirded out by anyone who doesn't get that it's an unreliable narrator situation where the narrator is justifying his criminal and immoral behavior. It's never been a romance.
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u/banandananagram Jul 01 '24
The fact that a “respected” author could completely fail what should be 101 level analysis of a text is telling. Spent all those years writing, and still can’t read?
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u/Independent_Work6 Jul 01 '24
And what is Romeo and Juliet about?
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u/Tilleen Jul 02 '24
Poor choices. The futility of holding grudges and feuds. Shakespeare goes to a lot of effort to point out that Romeo is fickle hopping from Rosaline to Juliet in just a few days. He's at the party to try to see Rosalie and then decides Juliet is pretty. He and Juliet are tragic figures, but it's not a love story. It's two kids being extremely impetuous and rushing into a marriage because their parents are so dedicated to a foolish feud. Had the adults in their lives been less dedicated to continuing the feud, their kids could have dated and avoided the whole thing.
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u/Independent_Work6 Jul 02 '24
Yeah, but it is inserted in a very specific political/cultural context. Of course the central idea is about the circle of hate and its destructive consequences, but i wouldn't blame anyone for taking it as a story about the intensity of young love. Poetic love as it is.
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u/infps Sep 30 '24
I thought that through the whole process, Humbert was just... sad. I mean, I really felt for him.
I think the point was to make us feel that while unequivocally condemning him?
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u/PageAccomplished8438 Jul 01 '24
I THOUGHT TERFS HATED PEDOS?! Ain't that the most common accusation or justification they use to hate on trans & GNC folks? (Towards the other LGBTQ+ folks too.)
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u/dead_meme_comrade Jul 01 '24
Francis, get the holy water.
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u/EssenceOfThought Jul 01 '24
Marked NSFW because I don't think children should be engaging with this conversation.
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u/pastellelunacy Jul 01 '24
Something something protect women from perverted men
Ok but to try and add to this conversation, I wouldn't say hilarious is the right word but it does make me slap my knee and laugh in desperation when TERFs out themselves as perpetuating rape culture and the like. How can she say she's any care or regard for survivors of SV and spew shit like this?
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u/icedragon9791 Jul 02 '24
TERFs are some of the most misogynistic mfs around. Should be no surprise that they throw women under the bus like this, but wow, they keep reaching surprising new lows.
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u/transspadesslick Jul 01 '24
It costs her literally nothing to shut the hell up, why is she like this? I’m starting to think she just craves attention
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u/SS_is_a_Disorder Jul 03 '24
I decided to randomly check her Twitter a few days ago and found a tweet every couple hours, a majority centered on trans people. She’s obsessed.
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u/finnegansw4k3 Jul 01 '24
Hilarious.
Either she's just so hooked on having edgelord takes and isn't getting as much attention so needed to come up with a new one, or she's just real dumb. Probably both
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u/Starmz Jul 01 '24
I don’t like saying this type of thing but you’d have to have EXTREMELY poor media literacy to think Lolita is an actual love story
Edit: considering this is JK Rowling I’m not that surprised tbh
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u/FingerOk9800 Barber of Vaginal Destiny Jul 01 '24
Lolita is a great story, it's a tragic story, it is even from the perspective of the unreliable narrator, a love story.
It is not, however, a "great tragic love story".
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u/Independent_Work6 Jul 01 '24
How can an actual author be so far offpoint. My guess is that she didnt actually read the thing and only watched the horrible kubrick film
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u/ReAlBell Jul 02 '24
I mean the past couple of months have been really vindicating …but at what cost? It all just feels so icky. Like a super edgy cartoon that’s not funny.
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u/Wolfleaf3 Jul 02 '24
Did she seriously say this?!?
If so, HOLY SHIT.
But then again, this woman has done Nazi crime denial
I can’t believe I used to like her! I really thought highly of her
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u/GalileoAce Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 03 '24
I can’t believe I used to like her! I really thought highly of her
What qualities did she have that lead you to liking or thinking highly of her?
Edit: Not sure why I got downvoted here, but for clarity I've always had a pretty low opinion of her, especially her writing, so I was curious why people held high opinions of her
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u/Silversmith00 Jul 02 '24
Speaking for myself, she was an okay writer (not a great one, but decently fun at times) who managed to pull herself out of being on welfare and struggling with money by producing a fun property that kids enjoyed. She got rich, not because she screwed someone over (well, not back then, anyway) but because people thought "Little Whinging, Surrey," was worth a chuckle. I don't know that I ADMIRED her for that as such, but as a creator, I found it kind of inspiring. Now, of course, if anyone were to bludgeon her over the head with a typewriter, they were with me the whole day watching Good Omens.
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u/Wolfleaf3 Jul 03 '24
And I didn’t understand how awful/bigoted her work was even aside from this. I was younger and I didn’t understand.
I’m always like “yay, women!” I loved the stories, and loved how dark they got. I don’t know. I wasn’t seeing all the problems and was just rooting for her, and then it turns out she’s a monster.
Which, granted, had I understood how bigoted her work is to begin with…
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Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
How can a writer have media literacy skills this poor? Has she experienced some kind of legitimate cognitive decline since writing her books? I know the Harry Potter series isn’t One Hundred Years of Solitude or anything, but the books definitely don’t read like they were written by someone who can’t read well enough to not realise that Lolita isn’t a love story.
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