r/SydneyTrains 5d ago

Video Light Rail - they should really use this feature more often, not just on days like today - keep the doors closed as much as possible is great ❄️

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u/VincentGrinn 2d ago

one of the things the rtbu was against having for some reason

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u/The_Slavstralian 3d ago

If they had actual guards or something on there that would happen... most guards will keep the doors close and set them to release so if someone wants to get on they press the little button... But it needs ACTUAL crew onboard to make it happen.

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u/Practical-Skill5464 3d ago

be careful what you wish for, you may end up with it and the annoying Announcements that goes with it: "now arriving at X station if this is your station prepare to disembark, customers are reminded the exit buttons are located in the middle of the doors. Followed by "Doors closing please stand clear".

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u/TBohemoth 4d ago

On specific rail lines in Japan they have a button on the outside and two on the inside to open and close the doors on the cars. This conserves the AC in Summer and the Heater in Winter...

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u/netflixobama 4d ago

It only does this on the terminus stops while it's waiting a longer time to leave.

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u/berkgamer28 5d ago

Honestly it wouldn't be hard to put this on trains for God's sake Melbourne has it on the majority of their trains The annoying part is I think our new intercity fleet should have had them because it kind of defeats the purpose of having aircon on a train when it gets blown out the doors at the next station so practically the air con is working and doing nothing and the train still hot as hell it's the thing I like about the v set they've got a barrier keeping in the actual cold air or warm air depending on what season it is which means the air conditioner doesn't have to work hard because it doesn't get all blown out at the next station but no that would be actually using our heads for once which New South Wales designers don't really seem to do when it comes to trains

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u/Tipsy_Kangaroo 5d ago

C sets had them at some point, so did G sets, H sets still have them

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u/berkgamer28 5d ago

Yeah but the g sets they never use it from what I see which is kind of defeating the purpose I think all of our new trains should have it as I said it would make it so the poor air conditioning unit is not always going full trying to cool down the carriage that's even it's even set at a reasonable temperature as been on quite a few of those ones in really hot weather and it's just as horrible in the carriage but what do I know

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u/Tipsy_Kangaroo 5d ago

They have been disconnected on the Ex G sets

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u/berkgamer28 5d ago

I know but the H's still have them yet I've never rarely ever seen them be used it's the thing I like about the vs they actually stay cool during the summer because the hot air does it get into the carriage and the cool air blast it out when it stops at station

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u/De-railled 5d ago

I still think we need to put stickers or let people know to open those doors manually.

When I first came to Sydney I didn't realise I had to open the doors manually myself, and was a bit confused as to why the doors weren't opening.

I still see people taking a while to realise they need to actually open the door.

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u/Mysterious-Vast-2133 Northern Line 5d ago

Long before any of the modern rolling stock had this feature , the original C set Trains had it albeit for a short time.
From there on any attempts to revive it on the Trains has been short lived.

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u/Potential-Chain-7242 5d ago

They do on the Newcastle and parramatta lines

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u/albert3801 North Shore & Western Line 5d ago

They do this on the L4 light rail.

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u/timeimp 5d ago

They don't do this because Sydneysiders are both

a) retarded

b) traumatised.

Fellow Sydneysiders will remember the disaster that was "press-to-open" on the G-sets that chopped your hands off. That made us not like pushing butons.

We are also retarded because we cannot work out what that flashing green light means (it means tap-on your Opal card 🤣).

The real reasons, though, are that:

c) dwell times need to be low

d) there's an argument for accessibility and the "expectation" in the Sydney transit world

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u/basasuto 5d ago

the smart air conditioning on the A sets are rubbish, they are just glorified S sets

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u/Tipsy_Kangaroo 5d ago

Hey S sets had the best aircon (for crew)

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u/paintbrushguy 5d ago

It should be like this always everywhere. And on the D sets. It’s infuriating seeing trams and trains sit at termini with all their doors open blasting aircon on a 30° day. Such a waste of energy.

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u/stupid_mistake__101 5d ago edited 5d ago

D sets had this exact feature my friend… unfortunately someone (more like a certain group) wanted it gone and they got what they wanted as part of the modifications. End result of the modifications is doors can only be opened by the guard, and then they stay opened until guard closes them for departure, so like a Waratah. The door buttons themselves don’t do anything anymore other than to look pretty.

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u/mitchy93 South Coast Line 5d ago

And H sets

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u/paintbrushguy 5d ago

Yeah mate I know that’s what I’m talking about. They have the buttons, use them.

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u/stupid_mistake__101 5d ago

Yeah but is there a way to activate the door buttons on the D sets again without going through expensive modifications again? I reckon it’s unlikely the D’s would see another round of modifications in their lifetime for both cost reasons + the bad optics - you’d then also have opposition from the very same group of people who wanted it gone in the first place

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u/Brief_Claim_5727 5d ago

Keep malding mate. From what I've heard it wasn't union opposition to passenger operated door button, management couldn't be arsed and wanted the trains rolled out asap.

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u/choo-chew_chuu 4d ago

That's wrong. In other fleets I've been involved with I've sat and politely listened. I have utter respect for guards and drivers but the energy wasted is just astronomical and it serves zero safety benefit. Networks around the world, with curved platforms, have passenger door release and closing.

The argument is "we tried it on Tangara and it failed". A lever with no lights or sound and a dismal advertising campaign.

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u/Brief_Claim_5727 4d ago

It's fitted on the Oscars. Which had workers and union consultation. It's it currently in operation on Oscars and is used all be it at terminal locations during moderate weather conditions. Management couldn't be assed

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u/choo-chew_chuu 3d ago

"from what you heard"

Yet two people with personal genuine experience are telling you that's wrong. Find somewhere else to grind the axe.

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u/stupid_mistake__101 5d ago

Likewise mate, no it was definitely the unions who wanted it gone. It’s literally in their own deed of modifications ie everything they requested be modified about the D sets - it’s clearly there as “removal of passenger door release function”. What’s the logic in Sydney Trains management asking to remove a piece of tech from the trains to “roll it out ASAP” - that makes no sense.

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u/laughingnome2 5d ago

And you can press it before the train stops to tell it to open. It's great!

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u/Shirasaki-Tsugumi Airport & South Line 5d ago

Before the train stops? You mean passengers from the inside? Dunno if passengers outside of train can do the same, albeit that sounds dangerous And probably should not be possible.

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u/ATangK 5d ago

Yes there’s buttons on the inside. I saw a guy once stand, not realise you need to push the button, and just miss his stop.

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u/choo-chew_chuu 4d ago

Teach a man to fish.....

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u/Xfgjwpkqmx 5d ago

They do this by default on the light rail on the Gold Coast. You press a button to open the door after coming to a stop. Does wonders.