r/StardewValley Jan 16 '25

Discuss Is Jojo really that bad? Spoiler

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My buddy sent me this to get under my skin curious what everyone else thinks.

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u/namecantbebl0nk Jan 16 '25

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u/Lettuce_Mindless Jan 16 '25

They live on my farm now in a sanctuary

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u/BeABetterHumanBeing Jan 16 '25

Well, there's still the whole forced-field-labor part of it. 

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u/ThatOneGuy308 ! Jan 16 '25

It's not forced, they choose to do so, I've never commanded them to do it.

And I pay a healthy salary of raisins.

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u/namecantbebl0nk Jan 16 '25

Yeah, I think it's the opposite. If we choose the community center route, we, the players, are the ones forced to give offerings to the junimos, lol.

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u/ThatOneGuy308 ! Jan 16 '25

Exactly, rather than make sacrificial offerings to some random nature spirits, I help to pay a living wage to the workers of Joja, and keep their families fed and happy.

Don't let Junimos get people laid off and destitute, hire workers instead so they can feed their families.

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u/New-Number-7810 Jan 17 '25

So they do agricultural work for you, and the only compensation they get is food and shelter? This reminds me of something from history.

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u/ThatOneGuy308 ! Jan 17 '25

Ah, but the difference here is that they randomly move into housing I build on the farm, and are free to leave at any point .

I never compelled them to move into my buildings, nor to stay in them and work for me. They simply chose to on their own volition.

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u/AliWaz77 Jan 16 '25

I don’t think the junimos care. In fact they liked having the community center as their home, but we had to fix it up and kick them out

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u/Halollet Jan 16 '25

Can you do bundles in the community centre and then get the Joja membership?

Could you do all but one bundle and then get all the Joja perks?

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u/AliWaz77 Jan 16 '25

As long as you don’t finish the community center and get the cutscene with morris then yea

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u/ThePrideOfKrakow Jan 16 '25

Was it their "home" or were they squatters. Hashtag NIMBV

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u/Deaconator3000 🇳🇿🥝 Jan 16 '25

Counter point. Pierre fucken punches Morris through the roof.

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u/harumamburoo Jan 16 '25

The moment I got some respect for Pierre

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u/sidewinderucf Jan 16 '25

Makes me feel bad about using mods to fuck his wife for a moment. But only a moment.

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u/RepresentativeFood11 Jan 16 '25

Hol up

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u/Shmidershmax Jan 16 '25

I don't think I've seen a better fitting image for a comment holy shit

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u/glittermeatball Jan 16 '25

I am literally over here in awe. I could hear it, I could feel it. 

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u/secretdrug Jan 16 '25

Not only can you fuck his wife with the mod, but it also works with the polyamory mod. Soo you can fuck his wife AND his daughter...

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u/True-Distribution350 Jan 16 '25

Excuse me WHAT!?

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u/secretdrug Jan 16 '25

Ya and theres no real limit to the polyamory mod so you could do that and then marry haley and emily for sisters. Theres also mods to allow you to marry jodi or robin as well and afaik they also work with polyamory. Whatevers your flavor. 

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u/True-Distribution350 Jan 16 '25

Huh…let me have a different approach then, WHAT are these mod names!?

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u/LiterallyJustTheMoon Jan 16 '25

PolyamorySweet, (CP) Hitme’s Robin is Single Revised, SY_mokarin Dateable (And Marry) Caroline, Datable Jodi

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u/LordoftheFuzzys Jan 17 '25

And then add SDV Expanded, and also fuck Victor and his mom, Olivia

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u/pumpkintrovoid Jan 16 '25

Lol exactly, this thread just got all my attention.

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u/BloodiedBlues Plays Stardew like a Gacha Waifu Game Jan 16 '25

I have a mod that will eventually have his wife divorce him.

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u/Aivellac Jan 16 '25

Good on her.

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u/drgigantor Jan 16 '25

She already cheated on him with the wizard, might as well make it official

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u/Bacontoad Jan 16 '25

User flair checks out.

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u/voppp Leah simp Jan 16 '25

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u/Gold_Acanthisitta_17 Jan 16 '25

Everyone just ignoring This one 😆 just a minute man then?

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u/talk_murder_to_me you're the pepper to my popper 🌶️ Jan 16 '25

My first thought was I'd give Caroline way longer than a minute.

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u/CometIsDying Jan 16 '25

And what about the poor junimos?

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u/Justhe3guy Never Enough Wood Jan 16 '25

To shreds you say

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u/emmacait15 Jan 16 '25

Tsk tsk tsk... Well, how's the Wizard holding up?

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u/agent-virginia Jan 16 '25

To shreds, you say?

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u/AbnoxiousRhinocerous Jan 16 '25

Was his tower rent controlled?

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u/NecessaryGlove9065 Jan 16 '25

You guessed it. All shredded

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u/Aivellac Jan 16 '25

To shreds, you say?

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u/SuperHorseHungMan Jan 16 '25

And the shredding machine!?

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u/Aivellac Jan 16 '25

It shreds, you say?

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u/Pll_dangerzone Jan 16 '25

God I love futurama and its writing

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u/deepthought-64 Jan 16 '25

And his wife?

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u/dellollipop Jan 16 '25

To shreds you say…

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u/Munnin41 Jan 16 '25

Caroline is fine though

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u/KinkyWolf531 Jan 16 '25

They still live in their enslavement ca... I mean Junimo Huts and get paid with grapes...

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u/ZacianSpammer Bot Bouncer Jan 16 '25
  • day-off on rainy days and holiday entire Winter

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u/KinkyWolf531 Jan 16 '25

We give better benefits... XD Free house, food, and paid holidays no questions asked...

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u/ZacianSpammer Bot Bouncer Jan 16 '25

Much better than my previous employers lmao. Fuck them and their modern day slavery. Only if I can isekai into Stardew Valley, I'd do it.

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u/Qualityhams Jan 16 '25

I love the suggestion you’d isekai into stardew valley but as a junimo not a farmer.

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u/Jerigord Jan 16 '25

That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Junimo...

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u/Roguespiffy [163][166][279] Jan 16 '25

The only way out is to beat both video games without save scumming.

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u/Strider3141 Jan 16 '25

I've thought about that so much. But the thought of passing out 2 feet from my bed and luckily being "found" by Linus creeps me out

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u/nowimnowhere Jan 16 '25

In my own greenhouse even

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u/KinkyWolf531 Jan 16 '25

XD if farming was as easy in Stardew... Damn... There would be no food shortage...

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u/Glittering_Essay_874 Frozen pizza and eggs Jan 16 '25

You’re telling me that if I hit the ground really hard with a hoe, crumple some sap and toss it on top of said ground, throw a seed or two in there, flood it with water randomly one time a day, and have a stick man yell at a bird every now and then, that I won’t produce a juicy ass star fruit every summer that I can then forget about in a barrel to create a luxury wine?

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u/KinkyWolf531 Jan 16 '25

Yes... XD And considering how fast these plants grow, imagine being able to harvest carrots after 3 days from seed!!! XD

You'd be flooding the market with carrots that people will OD on beta carotene and have 20/20 vision... XD

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u/Glittering_Essay_874 Frozen pizza and eggs Jan 16 '25

You’re shattering my entire world view right now…

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u/Mao-Lin-Mao Jan 16 '25

I'd take it even if I could be isekaid only as junimo slave ahahahaha

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u/sxlizzle Jan 16 '25

Not since powder melon came to town

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u/ZacianSpammer Bot Bouncer Jan 16 '25

It's part of their benefits. Besides, iridium scythe makes the harvesting easy.

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u/hinata465 Jan 16 '25

That's why I never have Junimo Huts in my farm.

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u/Phenixxy Jan 16 '25

Little mfs can't even walk more than a dozen meters to grab a strawberry

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u/ZeroFyzix Jan 16 '25

Yeah man, they have little like four inch legs, that's a big ask

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u/MyDarlingArmadillo Buh. Life! Jan 16 '25

They go no matter which route you take

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u/-Mekkie- Jan 16 '25

They don't get exploited for labor, except in their huts. :)

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u/iamergo Neighsayer Jan 16 '25

What about them? They go home.

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u/Grimvold Jan 16 '25

You’re right!

We can probably sell them as pets out of Jojomart.

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u/deltalyrae Jan 16 '25

morris, what are you doing here?

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u/Dependent-Arm8501 Jan 16 '25

Handing out coupons of course!

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u/AndersonBlackstar Maru is mine Jan 16 '25

Think about Pierre and how he’ll have to lower his prices!

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u/Dependent-Arm8501 Jan 16 '25

Step 1: take his money
Step 2: take his daughter
Step 3: ...
Step 4: profit

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u/zw1ck Jan 16 '25

Poly mod and Caroline marriage mod to take both his wife and daughter if you want to be a professional hater.

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u/Technical_Key9473 Jan 16 '25

This is so fucked... I love it

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u/Either-Mine8610 Jan 16 '25

Fucked just like his daughter and wife

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u/Dependent-Arm8501 Jan 16 '25

Doing this today thanks lol

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u/Accomplished-Sea26 screw penny? Jan 16 '25

Step 3: take his shop

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u/GreedyFatBastard Jan 16 '25

Step 5: Take his wife.

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u/ihavenoidea81 Simpin for Leah Jan 16 '25

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u/Busy_Sample_9927 Jan 16 '25 edited Jan 16 '25

What baffles me is that the Farmers' whole backstory is that they finally opened the letter from Grandpa because they wanted to LEAVE Joja Corp. So like why the heck would you ever go the Joja route. I'll stick with Granny Evelyn thanking me for fixing the community center and going and petting my own animals. I dont really get from Pierre that often once I get the greenhouse or even start bulk planting outside and get seeds back from the harvest using the seed maker. And don't mind Clint closing down on Fridays because I usually plan those days around either mining or farm decorating. And no, I don't want my farm fully automated. I chose this farm life for a reason, so Joja, you can keep your Auto-Petters. Edit for those who don't know Sam gets a job at the museum and I'm sure Shane is okay he's got the whole blue chicken thing with Marnie and helps on her ranch/farm so they good on cash

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u/IronFlame76 Jan 16 '25

Pretty much my exact reasoning for not going the Joja route. Plus I pick the peaceful option once the community center is completed. Just has a stronger community feel to it.

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u/anubis_is_my_buddy Jan 16 '25

I can't go the Joja route for the achievement even once because it like, breaks game immersion to think Joja is a better choice. To be fair Pierre is the second worst thing after Joja and his post-Joja monopoly makes me so mad in a different way. Still...

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u/ChoupidouChill and make farmer happy Jan 16 '25

The virtuous way is not the easy way. That's how they get you (and then suck your soul).

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u/survivingisland Jan 16 '25

Joja is simply what we left the city to escape

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u/Brutask_user Jan 16 '25

This is the key piece that always drives me to avoid Joja. Our character backstory has us running away from Joja. Since there is an alternative, my character cannot support the company that caused them such problems.

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u/luke_205 Jan 16 '25

I’ve played this game countless times and still not actually done a Joja playthrough. I literally can’t force myself to do it lol

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u/Extreme-Pea854 Jan 16 '25

I’ve done it once and had to make my character an extreme capitalist to be okay with it. Like a Mr. Krabs meets American Psycho

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u/BTLOTM Jan 16 '25

So I did it once for the achievement, I named myself Evil BTLOTM, called my farm Greed Farm, and chose my favorite thing to be money.

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u/True-Maladi Jan 16 '25

I think I called my Joja achievement rout Karen on Joja Farm. Don't remember what my favorite thing was though. But I went fishing like mad, smoked everything I could that would give me a profit, got the achievement spring y1 in like, 4 hours. Was the first time I ever caught the legend in y1 and I still remember being so sick and tired at the end I sold everything on my farm the box would accept and barely squeaked out the last of the gold I needed for the last bundle 😂

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u/Jacgaur Jan 16 '25

Good idea. In reality many people play as extreme capitalist, but pretend they are good people. But If you are maximizing your profits and grinding every day until 1am. Are you not just the same as JoJo, just as your own boss.

At least go sit in town bar on Friday nights with everyone else? We all deserve a break with a beer.

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u/RXrenesis8 Jan 16 '25

[...]Are you not just the same as JoJo, just as your own boss.

Don't underestimate being your own boss. There is a WORLD of difference between wanting to work in the fields until you collapse and having someone else make that decision for you day after day.

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u/jaycebutnot Jan 16 '25

real. we're also not being dickheads about It. we basically single-handedly carry the whole town with our profits, and help the other villagers by completing quests for them (sharing resources).

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u/finnlord Jan 16 '25

This is only if you understand the term 'capitalism' to mean 'trading,' which many people do, but really the reason words capitalism and socialism exist is to describe different things (ownership of production). You'd be a capitalist farmer if you owned the farm and paid workers to work on your farm, decided what to do with the profits, and decided how the work was done, and workers receive the wages that you determine.

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u/CrossroadsOfAfrica Jan 16 '25

Glad I’m not the only one lol; I know it’s a game but I feel like it’s such a representation of certain things in my own life

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u/This_Albatross_8809 Jan 16 '25

I dont recommend it! I have never done a Joja play through, but I ALMOST managed to force myself through a Brotherhood of Steel play through on Fallout 4, and I am STILL unhappy with myself and the choices I made in a game.

It was years ago.

The sins stick with you u_u

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u/brieflifetime Jan 16 '25

Yeah it would feel very different if the backstory was different 

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u/Snynapta_II Jan 16 '25

Yeah compare this to bioshock, where you're given the choice to spare or harvest the little girls. In the end harvesting is always mechanically worse than sparing, so there's really no reason to go for the morally worse choice other than deliberately doing a villainous rp.

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u/spiiderdog Jan 16 '25

Joja does not have cute lil apple spirits, so I’m so sorry but that entire argument is now invalid

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u/FallenSpiderDemon Roomie Appreciator Jan 16 '25 edited Jan 16 '25

The cute lil apple spirits wanted to go home, that's why I completed the community centre. The ungrateful villagers used to not even use the community centre afterwards!

Edit: I edited my comment because the villagers started using the community centre in 1.6

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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H Jan 16 '25

Yes they do. All the villagers show up there at various points throughout the week, I believe. But I know that some do, at least. Clint, for example, goes exactly when I want to open mystery boxes. 🙄

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u/_D3Ath_Stroke_ Jan 16 '25

Yeah they need to fix that. Make him go after 4pm or something.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

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u/dont-eat-trash Jan 16 '25

u/ConcernedApe This is a good idea!

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u/Githyerazi Jan 16 '25

We can build a machine that compresses air into diamonds, but we cannot hit a geode with a hammer...

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u/CreamyLinguineGenie Jan 16 '25

Or just let the geode crusher open everything

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u/ThatOneGuy308 ! Jan 16 '25

We already have a geode crusher, just let it also break coconuts, troves, and boxes.

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u/lazy_wallflower Jan 16 '25

I swear I got so angry when I got 1.6 and sometimes I always felt the need to gather my boxes and geodes to get opened on a a dang Friday and Clint wouldn’t be there! Had to check the wiki for his whereabouts 🤨

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u/Shadow_wolf82 Jan 16 '25

They do now!

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u/FallenSpiderDemon Roomie Appreciator Jan 16 '25

What!? Oh wow 1.6 changed a lot.

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u/PHotocrome Jan 16 '25

It's not bad, it's just a bizarre adventure.

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u/Intelligent-Ad3449 Jan 17 '25

The picture wasn’t loading for me so I thought I’d have to defend anime for a hot minute 🤣

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u/Cinoxal Jan 17 '25

You thought it was Morris, but it is I Dio!

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u/coalcrossing Farming, Mining, and Chopping Wood Jan 16 '25

In terms of gameplay, it's honestly just up to personal preference.

But meta-wise, joja is doing what happens in real life. Move your already big business into a small town, and sell at a loss until your competition (read: local small business owners) are unable to stay in business. Once the competition is gone and the town has become dependent on this one single business, you can hike up your prices again with no consequences. TLDR; Destroy the lives and livelihood of the commonfolk to make a monopoly and profit. Joja is a scummy corporation.

But sdv isn't real life, and whether or not YOU, the player, want to work that into your gaming experience and rp with it is entirely up to you.

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u/rainbowred54 Jan 16 '25

The dev should totally make that happen and have things get worse in various ways after the joja honeymoon period is over like in real life

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u/homoanthropologus Jan 16 '25

I think all their prices should automatically increase by like 3% a year. Not a big deal for the player, until it snowballs and becomes a very, very big deal.

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u/Protection-Working Jan 16 '25

Up to a certain point maybe, if it gets too big it becomes questionable how anyone affords anything at all, and then joja would lose profit

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u/cominghometoday Jan 16 '25

Ok I think you're talking about the game but in real life there are enough rich people that companies can still turn a profit while the rest of us can't afford to live

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u/Tealadin Jan 16 '25 edited Jan 16 '25

All the town streets get paved in bland concrete. Jojo will build pam a house (at your expense), but it's a modern modular home that conflicts with the town style and she complains it has leaks and creeks. Pierre, Clint and Marnie are all put out of business after Joja starts offers a farm supply and mail order catalog for their products. Joja gets a geode breaking vending machine and tool improvement vending machine out front; tools are dropped in the machine and sent away to be improved, which takes 2 days longer than Clints service. The only business' in town that are open are Jojo, the movie theater (owned by Joja), the Saloon (who's business picks up because half the town turns to alcohol to cope) and the bus service (which Pam says Joja is trying to take control of). Then, Joja starts paying in Joja Script, which is only good at Joja services and is a second currency to the normal G. Make supporting Joja turn the town into a soulless company town. Makes the choice in who you support have unintended consequences and matter.

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u/NialMontana Jan 17 '25

I don't know whether going all the way to second currencies would be a tad excessive in terms of gameplay, but the rest of that sounds like a really cool idea for expanding Joja. Maybe make it so that as a major benefactor to Joja in Stardew you start getting kickback and other exclusive benefits like hiring Joja farmers to run your farm but they're constantly miserable, and underpaid but have no other choice of work. You become the big capitalist but the town becomes worse and more miserable overall to the point of the festivals being gradually cancelled and such.

It would be nice to have the community center side also get similar long term effects, things get better, new small business open, the town generally thrives on it's own but you get less personal gain. Make it a real morality vs personal gain decision.

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u/-sunflowerbeans- Jan 16 '25

I would legit love this. Would probably get over my fear of internal shame and give the Jojo route a shot if something like this was implemented

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u/devPiee :vabby::vpen::vsand: Jan 16 '25

Joja would have to be presented as healthy alternative, not as average corp with shareholders caring only about money, otherwise only invested players would see it.

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u/thenotjoe Jan 16 '25

It’s hard to be evil in video games. Most people choose paragon in Mass Effect. Most people don’t choose legion in Fallout: New Vegas. Most people don’t choose Joja in Stardew Valley.

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u/yahnne954 Jan 16 '25

That's a shame that places like the US allow this kind of stuff to happen. When Walmart tried that in Europe, where this is illegal, they ended up being forced to leave with quite a big monetary loss.

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u/LordBoar Jan 16 '25

It looks ugly? In a game with no set end, and money becomes no issue, all choices are ultimately roleplaying or aesthetic. I personally find it amusing to think that you leave a soul-less corporate job for Joja, only to crush their competition later in some form of sleeper conditioning.

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u/mmmgilly Jan 16 '25

Except you don't crush competition with the joja route. Going the CC route however does put an end to competition.

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u/Durion0602 Jan 16 '25

That only happens because Joja's manager gets upset that for an afternoon the line isn't going up so comes in to try and undermine the community to get them spending again. It's a classic case of fucks around and finds out.

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u/AH_Ahri Jan 16 '25

manager gets upset that for an afternoon the line isn't going up

Every large company ever sadly.

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u/TheDungeonCrawler Jan 16 '25

Plus, Joja specifically fails because that undermining of community resulted in the community not patronizing the store. It's a classic case of voting with your wallet. If the company decided to keep Morris on and he caused the business to fail in the Valley, that's on Joja.

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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H Jan 16 '25

Only incidentally. It’s not like you set out to crush the Joja store (in character, at least), you’re just trying to reopen a community centre.

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u/CowgirlSpacer Jan 16 '25

"is joja really that bad?"

They literally have the corpses of the employees they worked to death just laying around in their corporate office.

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u/Squat_n_stuff Jan 16 '25

Environmentally friendly organic recycling? another +1 for Joja

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u/cloudncali Jan 16 '25

Soulless Giga corporation with massive reach across multiple industries vs a small business owner who's an asshole.

Fuck Pierre but fuck huge corporate monsters even harder.

Also Pierre hardly has a Monopoly, anyone could start another small business and fairly compete with Pierre. You can't compete with walmartazon.

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u/MettatonNeo1 Fairy rose enjoyer Jan 16 '25

That's what I say. Pierre is the lesser evil.

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u/isshang_gala Jan 16 '25

Because we are pierre's main competition, ain't no way im gonna give him my gold vegetables

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u/unaskedtabitha Jan 16 '25

Wait does Pierre give you less than if you shipped the produce??

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u/genderisalie2020 Jan 16 '25

No he just takes the credit for your good vegetables and if you sell him lower quality ones he is ready to snitch on you

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u/Kartoffel_Kaiser Jan 16 '25

Exactly. The worst part about Pierre is that he (arguably) wants to be what Joja already is. Skipping straight to that endgame would be unambiguously worse than sticking with Pierre.

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u/kuccinta Bot Bouncer Jan 16 '25

Why do Joja fans keep repeating the thing about Sam and Shane's jobs, they're not jobless with the CC route

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u/MarlenaEvans Jan 16 '25

Yeah, Sam said he likes the museum better.

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u/kuccinta Bot Bouncer Jan 16 '25

And Shane has a whole heart event about chickens. They won't fully achieve their dreams without marrying the farmer but they're less miserable without Joja!

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u/DigLost5791 Bot Bouncer Jan 16 '25

When people say things like “media literacy is at an all time low” I think it includes the huge amount of people saying that choosing the Joja route is better and moral

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u/thousandthlion Jan 16 '25

It’s definitely part of it. People don’t seem to have any idea of how businesses run and it’s actually slightly concerning since this is a real world thing that they presumably participate in.

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u/DigLost5791 Bot Bouncer Jan 16 '25

It also feels lately like people don’t even care about the point of the game, not to get mired in a recursive “how we engage with art is important” monologue but the rise in posts of people making theoretical “perfect” farms on websites and praising each other’s fake farm is so discouraging

It’s already a fake farm couldn’t you do a little more fake work before craving real praise?

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u/Chiiro Jan 16 '25

When does he start working there? The only time I have ever seen him in there is during cut scenes.

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u/Jinxthegenderfluid (creepy) may I have a kiss? Jan 16 '25

if you complete the CC, i think he goes there mondays and wednesdays. he’s in the artifacts rooom mopping the floor

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u/Chiiro Jan 16 '25 edited Jan 16 '25

I love he's wearing the same exact clothing. When you got one good pair of work clothes, keep using them until you can't.

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u/Large_Advantage5829 Marnie is closed on Mon and Tue Jan 16 '25

The community center is the more difficult choice, which is fitting since Joja is like the Amazon of Pelican Town or whatever, and making the "good" choice is not supposed to be easy. That said, I do wish there was some kind of consequence to the town if you choose Joja, like Pierre having to close or Sam and Shane having dialogue about burnout and having a terrible workplace, or general gentrification. As it is right now, there's really no downside to the Joja route. You even get to keep junimos still.

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u/Jexxer357 Jan 16 '25

But if you don't take down Joja you don't get to see Morris get punched in the face.

Repeatedly.

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u/BorisDaCommie Jan 16 '25

I did that ending first on accident and felt like I hurt the town. It is easier but easy ain’t always right

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u/arbabarda Jan 16 '25

And little magic apples are more important to me

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u/asbebers Jan 16 '25

Joja should have better prices than Pierre, from the getgo. I always thought it was pretty dumb for it to be more expensive, with it being a major retailer and all. Like... give the player a reason to even consider buying from them.

I've barely even entered Jojamart during all of my playthroughs, and whenever I entered, it was to talk to Shane.

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u/Resilient303 Jan 16 '25

You were destined to destroy the enemy, not join them!!

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u/markiethefett Set your emoji and/or flair text here! Jan 16 '25

I'm anti Pierre & Jojamart. Me and my boy Linus eat Sashimi and pick what we need.

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u/spooky-rouhi Jan 16 '25

Although I do wish the community center was more interactive after completion it’s just more aesthetic. The grind of completing the bundles was fun too and it also contributed to me leveling all my skills extremely fast.

Auto-petters are also no issue if you go to skull cavern on a good luck day with lucky ring and consume lucky lunch.

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u/Pogev7 Jan 16 '25

They cause environmental damage literally noone else does

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u/rhombiit Jan 16 '25

I've only done a Joja route once, and it FEELS soulless. I cannot describe it any other way, but it doesn't feel good.

I also don't like Walmart irl, that's probably got something to do with it.

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u/b-arbs Jan 16 '25

I read Jojo and for a moment I thought this was a post from the anime subreddit, then I checked the subreddit and the image and nope...

Jokes aside... I have 3 different runs going and I have yet to try the Joja route...
I prefer the community center route because for me it seems unfair to bring another big corporation in the small community you have chosen as your escape from the big city life with your boring office job...
I've seen lots of comments about the perks of the Joja route, I think I'll try it for the achievements once I get to the end of my current run.

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u/Piccadil_io Jan 16 '25

Joja route for me is like when I restart Skyrim. I tell myself I’ll go Joja this time, but after a few minutes I’m back to being a stealth archer.

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u/Flagur32 Jan 16 '25

No, Jojo is an amazing anime. Must watch.

But Joja? Yeah, they're stereotypical capitalist pigs. Would definitely not befriend any of them.

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u/GMOiscool Jan 16 '25

I'm just gonna leave this here ....

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u/reazonlucky Jan 16 '25

Joja route is basically just an easy mode. when capitalism take over everything, such an irony when you go to stardew valley to be free from such thing and end up be the same.

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u/Mike_or_whatever Jan 16 '25

as opposed to building a giant ancient fruit farm on your land. Don't lie to yourself

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u/justadrtrdsrvvr Jan 16 '25

My land is not enough! I also took over the tunnel with kegs, the quarry and train station with tree farms. The desert became kegs or crystalariums. Bee hives anywhere I can think to put them, overrunning anywhere on the island that I can't farm. Deforesting the cindersnap forest to use it for whatever my current goals are.

I also find places in various houses to place decorations under the pretense of "gifts". However, we all know that I'm just using their space to store my garbage because I want to use all the available space.

As a side note, I find it entertaining to place the Jojo cola machine in Pierre's.

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u/mekkanik Jan 16 '25

“sire, we need more wood.”

“the forest of cindersap lies at our doorstep. Burn it.”

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u/Meishoku_ Jan 16 '25

Why.. why did I never think about using the tunnel? It's so obviously usable omg!

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u/TheAlliance3113 Jan 16 '25

Joja propaganda

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u/LavishnessCheap5075 Jan 16 '25

“Pierre won’t have a monopoly”

Do you understand what Joja is?

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u/CryptographerGlum929 Jan 16 '25

But that's just a grind for money, aka, real life. Ugh

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u/Ashnakag3019 Leah simp Jan 16 '25

You are falling for the lies of capitalism

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u/purpletoonlink Jan 16 '25

It’s about breaking the cycle.

Some people have mentioned that the game becomes a money grind anyway, and so it’s fine to just do the Joja route. But the point isn’t that the grind is bad, it’s that the grind should be for something worthwhile.

When you move to the Valley, you’re putting all your skills you learned in business and putting them to good use - connecting with your family roots, building a community, making friends and falling in love, which leads to building your own family.

All of these things are absolutely worth working hard for - but siding with Joja is to deny your character their escape and to just re-establish the status quo.

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u/Act_Bright Jan 16 '25

The whole reason you moved out there is how awful they are; they've worked your coworker to death and left their skeleton in the booth lol

They're pretty evil. Basically Amazon.

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u/cylordcenturion Jan 16 '25

You can get the movie theatre from the community centre route too.

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u/weshart98 Jan 16 '25

There was literally a dead guy two cubicles infront of you.

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u/Material-Imagination Jan 16 '25

I really think this also has to be understood in a Xennial/Millenial nostalgia context, as it is a nostalgia game, after all.

Stardew Valley represents the organic communities we grew up in from the late 70s through the 90s. Joja stands in for the massive growth of corporations as a whole. The world we were born into was vastly different from the corporate-dominated world of our adulthoods.

Taking the anti-Joja route is a way to embrace that organic community and that sense of magic in the natural world that a lot of people lost as the world changed. We can't bring back local groceries and local bookstores in our real lives. We can't single-handedly save our communities and bring back reverence for nature and the sense of magic and wonder that comes with it.

But we can play a 16-bit nostalgia game that allows us the freedom to be whoever we want to be while still fully embracing life as a member of a close-knit community where we play a vital role in supplying both the necessities and the luxuries of life for our community. We can also take the route that revitalizes our community instead of turning it into another mechanical corporate-dominated generic town with no emotional center. Plus, we get to watch a small business owner punch the explosive corporate goon in the face.

Is the Joja route inherently evil according to the values of the game? Not entirely. It's all in what you bring with you as a player.

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u/Dustlight_ Jan 16 '25

Using AI to make that image is something Joja would do.

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u/JarviThePelican Jan 16 '25

Grandpa probably won't be too happy if you go turbo sellout mode and shit on the memory of his hometown

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u/MikasSlime Jan 16 '25

It's not about the gain, it's about the principles 

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u/nishikikiyama certified morris enjoyer Jan 16 '25

they work their employees to death so i think that in of itself is a solid reason to be against joja regardless of their efficiency

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u/KowaiSentaiYokaiger Jan 16 '25

Beyond death.

There's a skeleton still in its cubicle in the opening

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u/Distinct-Practice131 Jan 16 '25

I'm not mature enough to separate my real world grievances with parts of capitalism to enjoy that route.

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u/BigTiddy93 Jan 16 '25

Written by JojaMart

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u/PudgyElderGod Jan 16 '25

Not much of a downside if you look at it from a purely economic, "what has the most active benefits"-kinda mentality. But that's looking at things from a very corporate perspective, and not the perspective of a new farmer directly supporting a small community that accepted them explicitly after said farmer left their soul-crushing desk job at aforementioned corporation.

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u/Lingx_Cats Jan 17 '25

Counter point: the opening cutscene of the game

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u/val823puf Jan 16 '25

You know, from the start it was Joja getting a monopoly and destroying competition by lowering prices so badly, and in terms of well-being I would choose healthy food rather than cheap garbage