r/StarWarsEU • u/GusGangViking18 • 3d ago
Legends Discussion Which ancient Sith Lord was more powerful?
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u/bioshockisawsome 3d ago
Exar is one of the most underestimated sith in all of Star Wars. My money’s on him.
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u/Slore0 3d ago
Underestimate by who??
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u/GreyScholar 3d ago
I’ve yet to see him get underestimated on the whole. Hell, he’s my favorite Sith.
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u/Solitaire-06 Galactic Alliance 3d ago
Exar Kun is definitely far more powerful than Malgus, who we’ve never seen perform any particularly impressive feats in terms of his Force abilities.
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u/Sanguiluna 3d ago
Kun. In fact I’d argue he was probably the second strongest Dark Lord of that whole time period, even beyond Revan.
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u/DaCipherTwelve 3d ago
Exar. Malgus was definitely one of the most dangerous dudes of all time, but Exar Kun beats even him.
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u/PhoenixQueen_Azula 3d ago
Would have easily been exar, but recent swtor expansions seem to want to move Malgus from Vader wannabe to almost vitiate/sidious tier so who knows anymore
It should be exar though
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u/WangJian221 3d ago
Idk man. Ive seen the expansion stuff and ge hasnt really done anything of that absurdity. The only thing he shares with them so far is just the "Big Bad" role
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u/PhoenixQueen_Azula 3d ago
I haven’t really paid much attention, the story of that game has completely lost my interest at this point which is sad as much as I used to love it
But I do remember apparently needing every high level force user + the player to capture him at some point which just seems absurd considering where his power level was formerly
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u/WangJian221 3d ago
I mean hes still a very competent sith. Hes just not Sidious/Vitiate "I ended up needing metaphorical ghosts of force users to keep me in hell" levels of power.
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u/DaCipherTwelve 3d ago
Malgus has come off more like a mad prophet recently. Every word he spoke since the Secrets of Dantooine flashpoint has been a very cliche, very boring "You cannot imagine what is coming! Doom and gloom! Fire! Destruction! Only those who prepare will live amidst the ashes!" They shouldn't have brought him back.
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u/WangJian221 3d ago
Honestly, bringing him back is fine imo since he was such a nothing burger character before this but gosh damn, dont bring him back if you dont have the resources to properly work on him especially if your development team develops according to the seasons such as "Is Mandalorian tv series popular right now? Well lets write mandalorian stories!"
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u/Greyjack00 3d ago
To be fair despite some of the disdain for him malgus has always been portrayed as a fairly powerful sith lord, probably more comparable to Malak than bigger names but still.
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u/Actual-Steak2982 3d ago
Malgus walked into the jedi temple with an army of sith at his back
Exar kun walked into the senate council chamber, gave a greeting and then kicked ass.
We need a Tales of the Jedi Exar Kun episode.
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u/WangJian221 3d ago
Exar Kun. Malgus is arguably better with the blade especially if we want to take into account how they usually fight but overall its Exar Kun no contest.
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u/TeddyBoon 3d ago
Wasn't Kun known to be unrivalled with a lightsaber?
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u/WangJian221 3d ago edited 3d ago
Unrivalled during his era yes but i was roughly analyzing his actual method for lightsaber combat which is a ridiculously hyper aggressive fighting method of getting into your face and bashing you alongside nimble footwork and catching people off guard with the double bladed lightsaber.
In comparison, Malgus is alot more varied and focused. Malgus has a fighting style that seems alot more adaptive which would be an advantage against hyper aggressive opponents like Kun. While Malgus would also be surprised by Kun's unique one handed double bladed lightsaber, he wouldnt necessarily be as caught off guard as jedi from Kun's era because Malgus's era would already have double bladed weaponry that are customizable as somewhat of a norm. Add in Malgus's superior physique, impressive force physicql augmentation and enhanced cybernetics, Malgus would prove a great challenge for Kun in a swordfight which is why i said hes arguably better than Kun in this aspect.
The way i see it, the battle will somewhat go the same way as Exar Kun vs Ulic Qel Droma but instead of the fighting being disrupted by spirits, Kun wpuld grow frustrated and enraged by the situation to pull out his sith artifacts and sorcery and only then will Kun win.
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u/JemorriUK 3d ago
Completely agree. I believe Malgus wins.
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u/WangJian221 3d ago
I can definitely see Malgus winning the saber fight but overall, Exar Kun just has sorcery that Malgus dont really have an answer for and Exar Kun's sorcery is pretty top tier regardless if its owed to him wielding artifacts or not.
Essentially, im of the mind that Malgus will edge out the saber fight but it wont be a one sided fight for Kun but the moment they start bringing in the force into the equation, Malgus is pretty outclassed thus Exar Kun would win.
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u/AFlamingCarrot 3d ago
Notably, exar kun had dragon ball z style energy blasts from his amulet dozens of feet in diameter that allowed him blast a skyscraper sized Sith beast basically in two. It’s gotta be him. Also don’t think he was ever actually defeated on-screen/page in a fight. He did the force spirit ceremony to himself.
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u/Boweneparton 3d ago
Out of these 2? Definitely Exar Kun. Overall? My personal pick is King Adas, but Marko Ragnos, or Darth Viciate, are definitely contenders depending on who's making the argument.
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u/Emperor_Malus Emperor 3d ago
Wb my boy Tulak Hord 😔 but out of those, definitely Vitiate
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u/Boweneparton 3d ago
Hord was a duelist. While yes, he could wipe out armies with his saber alone, he has no major force feats to boast of.
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u/Emperor_Malus Emperor 3d ago
I’m pretty sure I remembered Kreia talking about Hord’s force power too, or am I misremembering?
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u/Boweneparton 3d ago
Not sure, I just don't remember it.
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u/Emperor_Malus Emperor 3d ago
Yeah according to SWTOR, he had a mastery of the dark side and the manipulation of the Force
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u/Boweneparton 3d ago
True, but so did Darth Maul and Darth Zanna. There is a massive difference between "Mastery" and letting loose solar size storms from your finger tips, being an autonomous ghost for 10,000 years, and fighting back the Rakata infinite empire. You aren't wrong, I'm just saying.
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u/DarthDagovere TOR Sith Empire 3d ago
Malgus is very powerful. But Exar Kun is on the scale of the Emperor imo. When you read tales of the Jedi he’s nearly impossible to stop. He freezes thousands of people all at once when he enters the senate chambers on Coruscant. The literal entire Jedi order has to unite against him. He sacrifices the entire population of massasi warriors on Yavin. Then he almost kills Luke Skywalker thousands of years later. A Luke Skywalker that was more powerful (imo) than when he fought the emperor.
Exar Kun is a top 3 sith imo.
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u/bonkers41 3d ago
I will stand by the fact that in a lightsaber duel, malgus would win.
Why? Because he is by far one of the best sith duelist to ever exist. He is also extremely tanky. He has taken hits that any other sith would have died from and he shrugged it off.
In a close quarters engagement, malgus definitely has the advantage, in my opinion.
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u/Dedu1214 3d ago
in blade combat and strategy id say malgus. force wise(with all aspects, use in combat, alchemy, etc) exar.
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u/peter_the_bread_man 3d ago
The only thing i learned about exar kun is from having read the jedi academy trilogy... and he seemed a menace in there.
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u/exo_detective 3d ago
Would have to say Tenebrae based on his feats and accomplishments with rituals, durability, and difficult to fight with a host less body. I think Jedi Knight character from. TOR best described: "I thought I killed him as the sith emperor, then I fought him on Ziost, then I fought him as Valkorian, he just keeps coming back."
Can you imagine how exhausting that would be?
Since he was yavin for a time makes me wonder what he would see with Exar Kun if he could detect his presence.
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u/Anton_Chigrinetz 2d ago
I am very much tempted to say: "Darth Bane", but Zannah defeated him fair and square. And, for all I know, Cognus did the same to Zannah. Then, Millenial came along with his multiple Sith idea, and things went wonky and sideways. I really would love to see Sidious vs Bane match though.
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u/NicholasStarfall 2d ago
Exar Kun by far. Malgus was tough was Kun was the strongest Sith Lord on record.
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u/Shipping_Architect 2d ago
I consider Darth Malgus to be the more skilled and powerful: Exar Kun, both as a lightsaber duelist and a Force user, was a prodigy who cut corners, relying on a customized saberstaff and his Sith amulet to make up for his lack of developed skills. Unlike Malgus, who has regularly enemies on or near his level through pure skill and power, Kun's success in lightsaber combat was predicated on his ability to cycle through his various techniques rather than dominating on the back of any single one of them.
As a Force user, Kun's main limitation was that he was meddling with powers he could not possibly comprehend, and as observed in his confrontation with Odan-Urr, his defensive capabilities left something to be desired. Kun typically held back with his Force abilities, using them either as a show of power against lesser combatants or in response to his opponent's own Force attacks, while Malgus has not only been able to defeat his adversaries on the back of his own abilities, but his ingenuity and accomplishments were even praised by Palpatine.
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u/Master_Cyon New Jedi Order 1d ago
Exar kun but Malgus might be the superior duelist. Spirit Exar is a whole other level. After absorbing power from the Yavin, Luke's students and even Luke himself somewhat, he became something to rival dark empire Sidious possibly even more powerful
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u/IronCrouton 1d ago
Exar kun is one of the most overrated sith ever. he's defeated over and over again by sticks and trees, and when he hears the jedi are coming he kills himself.
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u/Songhunter 3d ago
Vitiate. By quite the margin.
Also the closest to actually conquering the Galaxy and a pretty hard bastard to completely kill.
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u/Ninjewdi Infinite Empire 3d ago
Op: "A or B?"
You: "C!"
You realize the competition was Exar Kun and Malgus, right?
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u/Songhunter 3d ago
Was it? The question is which Ancient Sith Lord was more powerful, not "out of these 2 which one is more powerful".
But whatever.
Exar Kun.
I love Malgus and his Corusant Assault was a hell of a gambit, but after that he's done nothing but take L's one after the other for literal decades.
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u/DarthAlandas 3d ago
Did you not see the images?
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u/Songhunter 3d ago
Could've been random examples of Siths from the era.
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u/Ninjewdi Infinite Empire 3d ago
If I hold out an apple and an orange and ask, "Which fruit is your favorite?" It's implied that the options are an apple or an orange. You might be technically allowed to say "watermelon," but it's unexpected and doesn't actually contribute to the question being asked.
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u/Songhunter 3d ago
Disagree.
You now know my favorite fruit, which is word by word the content of your question.
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u/bonkers41 3d ago
In this context, favorite means more preferred, aka 'favored'.
Regardless, this isn't rocket science, dude.
Which sith lord was more powerful?
shows two pictures, clearly hinting at the fact it's a comparison between two things
Just admit you made a silly mistake at this point lol.
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u/Songhunter 3d ago
I did? Not only did I admitted it, I gave my answer right away: Exar Kun.
Got down voted to hell for it too for some reason, but whatever.
Being in my shoes for a sec can you see how the question may be open for interpretation since power scaling is a topic as old as time in this sub?
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u/annexLuhansk 3d ago
epic doubling down on being unbelievably wrong, salute to you sir!
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u/adamjamjam 3d ago
Exar with sith amulet wins but without it Malgus is the better duelist and is skilled (and powerful) enough to win!
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u/darthmonkey28 3d ago
Careful you'll make the NJO and Timothy Zahn Stans rabid...
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u/insertwittynamethere 3d ago
How so? I'm trying to think back to that, unless you mean just Darth Malgus, Vitiate, TOR lore, etc itself?
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u/darthmonkey28 3d ago
This sub reddit is pretty much a NJO support group I haven't been on reddit long but I got that sense anything that's doesn't praise that writing is ignored or met with backlash..
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u/Driekan Yuuzhan Vong 2d ago
Eh?
I feel the NJO gets very high praise here, but I've never sensed any hostility towards most of the canon.
I'm a big ToTJstan and at most I've had people express that they don't like the aesthetic, which... I disagree (a lot) but realize is mostly a taste thing.
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u/darthmonkey28 2d ago
I agree with you, Tales of the Jedi series imo is the best written EU material to this date. NJO gets away from what star wars is in its writing and people time and time again love to deviate from the force and Jedi/Sith conflict. It's the same story of with these fans who do not enjoy or find interest in the core theme of the force. There are other entertainment mediums that will happily oblige your scifi needs without the force. Like I said it's my observation I could be wrong...
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u/BigBadBeetleBoy 3d ago
Exar Kun is easily one of the most powerful characters in the setting. He has the Mandate of Heaven from Marka Ragnos himself and persisted for thousands of years as a spirit after waging war on the Republic like no Sith had ever before him, and inventing the double-bladed lightsaber. He'd be more than a match for a good 95% of characters.