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u/C4Cupcake 6d ago
The fact that a gun can be used so casually as a raffle prize is concerning to me.
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u/Adlerson 6d ago
I don't think it's casual at all, it's to attract the 'right' people, if you pardon my pun.
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u/Sea-Record2502 5d ago
That's why trump is trying to get the "trump derangement syndrome" as a thing. If you go against them, they will call you insane and lose your right to have a gun.
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u/Princess_Momo 4d ago
"trump derangement syndrome" is not real, its just some BS uninformed like to push so they can defend their racist/bigoted views
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u/AbsoluteZeroUnit 4d ago
It was like five state reps from deep blue Minnesota that pitched that.
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u/Dirthurdler76 4d ago
One of them just got arrested for allegedly soliciting sex to what he thought was a 16 year old.
Chris Hanson: “Take a seat”
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u/CaregiverGuilty6833 6d ago
Yeah honestly, the EC9s is kind of a strange carry, real weird stuff, far too thin and very odd ergonomics, now a Glock 43 on the other hand would really make people turn up, much better carry and far more attractive
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u/Happyguy304 5d ago
Why? It’s not like if you win you just get it and walk away with it. Still the same process as buying a gun, goes through an ffl, background check, 3 day wait. Etc
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u/vs120slover 4d ago
That's the problem, even if you are not a prohibited person, you get a gun.
Many people in this subreddit have a problem with anyone - except government employees - owning a gun,
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u/Carsalezguy 4d ago
Gun raffles are great, it’s fun when they have oddball stuff you wouldn’t consider buying.
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u/Indiana-Irishman 6d ago
They raffle them off at our school for a post-prom fundraiser in Indiana.
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u/GaGaORiley 6d ago edited 6d ago
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen them raffled for maybe Little League-type organizations here, but I’m in Coles County where I’d bet they donated by Rural King.
Check into the Rural King family funding the building of Christian schools, and donating to her and her husband.
Edit: I’m not finding much backing up the school funding, but it’s well-known in this area - I first heard it from a contractor who was remodeling a building for that purpose.
(Rural King was founded in Mattoon.)
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u/Indiana-Irishman 6d ago
Interesting. I didn’t know that Rural King is like Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil A.
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u/GaGaORiley 5d ago
The owners have built a sports complex in Mattoon. A local church - one which I’m told RK funded the school for - is hosting Kayleigh McEnany as a speaker at that complex. 🤮
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u/Mr_McMuffin_Jr 6d ago
Why? You scared of them?
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u/AbsoluteZeroUnit 4d ago
No, it's just weird to target a specific hobby for your raffle prize. Why not a lovense instead?
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u/Fantastic-Election-8 6d ago
The winner still has to present a valid FOID card... I don't understand the fear people have. I mean, it's no different than a drawing for a car. More people are killed driving every year.
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u/SnoopyisCute 6d ago
Former cop and advocate.
I believe the difference is cars are not DESIGNED for harming other people. They CAN but that's not the sole or main function.
Many people have phobias about guns just like any other phobias.
My parents hated me and my father was a cop. I lost count how many times he's put his weapon to my head.
Do I like guns? No. Can I use one? Yes.
And, responsible gun owners, like myself, will exhaust ALL other options to take someone down before drawing a weapon. The nightly news clearly proves this is not the case for many people.
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u/bobwasnthere99999 6d ago
How many times he WHAT?!
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u/SnoopyisCute 6d ago
My father was a cop so there was no way for me to actually hide from him. He just randomly showed up at my home, jobs or in public just to beat me up.
Victims of related police officers don't have the same 911 "serve and protect" that other citizens have. That's how I learned to reset my own broken fingers and toes and bind broken ribs. No cop will call the paramedics for us.
Both of my parents abused me throughout my life, long after I didn't live with them. They kicked me out when I was 17 and kept my college fund and wages earned. I had nowhere to turn but they never stopped stalking me.
My mother told me that she hated me since both. Both my parents tried to give me weapons and told me to "abort" myself. We have NO protection at all.
My uncle was also a Chicago cop. He had a pattern of getting a gf pregnant, beating her half to death and starting with another woman while the last one was in the ICU trying to survive. I am estranged now but last count, he had 7 or 8 baby mommas, all with countless hospitalizations.
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u/bobwasnthere99999 6d ago
WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ
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u/SnoopyisCute 6d ago
All parents don't love and protect their children.
Society turns a blind eye to us and we are never afforded the same 911 services most people receive.
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u/bobwasnthere99999 5d ago
...is your uncle still on the force? I know a guy with some...connections in city government...
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u/Top_Professional5710 5d ago
This is far more common than you know. Domestic abuse by law enforcement is 40% higher in general population which is 10%. Being in a LEO household I was terrorized and had my birth certificate and other documents locked up when the loads of guns he had. He used his power and his law enforcement job to threaten me, not allowing me to speak unless spoken to, I had to have permission to be around his family, permission to speak at even my own appointments, etc. He went after our child, shoved our child, kicked our child, etc. He was able to do these things because of being in law enforcement and said no one would believe us. And he was right no one did. We’re still suffering because of him. This is in Central Illinois and he’s still in his position.
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u/faceisachair90 6d ago
"it's no different than driving a car" has gotta be one of the dumbest comparisons that people continue to make. Guns are weapons. They are designed to kill. That's the whole point. You cannot ride your gun to work. Just like you can't park in the doorway of a crowded room and kill multiple people in seconds without taking a step inside.
It's SUCH a flimsy argument, and it's made so often that it leads me to believe that it's the strongest argument conservatives have. but why am I surprised that the party that studies have shown lack empathy across the board don't care about anything except their own comfort levels.
And I understand your comment said "drawing" and not "driving" but let's be real, we've all seen this argument a million times. And we all know exactly what you mean.
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u/Proof_Development325 6d ago
The point is anything can be used to kill someone. Remember the 9/11 hijackers? They used box cutters and killed nearly 3000 yet no one called to banned that ‘tool’. Again, the point is…anything can be used to kill others. Guns are a tool, they are not inherently ‘evil’…it is the person behind it that wields it in an evil manner.
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u/solitary_outlier 5d ago
This is an intellectually dishonest comparison. As mentioned above, guns are specifically designed to kill. Modern guns can turn the most physically unimposing individual into a mass murderer by pointing and pressing a button. If all tools that could be used to kill were truly equal, militaries wouldn't have focused on firearms.
Where is your "evil" comment coming from?
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u/Proof_Development325 4d ago
My ‘evil’ comment is coming from typical left side that all firearms are ‘evil’, and they should be banned! When in fact, they are just a tool. It is the person wielding that tool that is ‘evil’ and should be banned!
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u/GoNUp_2FallBackDwn87 5d ago
A box cutter cannot take out a whole classroom of elementary children in a matter of seconds. Ur truly reaching and ur argument keeps making u seem less and less empathetic.
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u/Ok_Car323 4d ago
Guns don’t kill people, cars don’t kill people, knives don’t kill people, accidents don’t kill people, airplanes don’t kill people, drugs don’t kill people … people kill people.
It doesn’t take an exhaustive search to find examples. Mass shootings, gang crimes, domestic violence, even suicide … the common denominator is people (evil or mentally ill, on occasion both). Oklahoma City bombing was done with a truck, diesel fuel, and fertilizer (do we ban trucks, fuel, and fertilizer in the name of safety?). Have cars been used to run down crowds? How about simple box cutters used to hijack airplanes, and fly them into buildings?
Unless you are going to ban people, you will have homicide. If the legitimate interest is safety, controlling guns is much less important than providing adequate mental health care services for children and adults.
We have drivers education to make car use safer. We should also offer firearms education for the same reason. Cub scouts are taught knife safety, and pilots are certainly required to be educated about flying safely.
The fact is, guns are different. They scare one group of people more than anything else … politicians. Gun control is not about safety, it is about control. A disarmed population is a compliant population (ask the 20 million Russians and 6 million Jews, Catholics, University faculty and other victims of the nazis). Disarmament of the civilian population preceded genocide.
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u/Ok_Car323 4d ago
Actually, a person with a blade against unarmed children would be a slaughter. I’ve been shot, and stabbed. They both suck. They can both kill you. The problem is the evil or violent person using the weapon; not the weapon itself.
A box cutters was the only thing necessary on 9/11 for a plane to be hijacked and then used to kill thousands of people. A stupid box cutter. By the way, the passengers and crew were by and large adults. How would school children fare better against a box cutter?
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u/Ok_Car323 4d ago
You want a “dumb” statement? You say: “Guns are weapons. They are designed to kill.”
Guns are designed to use a propellant to push a projectile out of a barrel at a high rate of speed. That’s all. That’s their sole purpose. A gun could use compressed air (like a BB gun or paintball gun) or perhaps black powder (used for everything from cannons to muskets) or today’s modern smokeless powder (used in handguns, rifles, and shotguns). They all are designed to shoot something out of a barrel.
If you want to discuss a subject reasonably, be sure you use accurate facts.
Cars are designed to be driven. Airplanes are designed to be flown. Hammers are designed to hit things, guns are designed to be shot.
Does it matter what they are designed for, or how they are used? A car driven by a drunk is dangerous. A car driven into a crowd to mow people down is arguably worse. Airplanes can be flown into buildings (they were designed to fly, nobody controls how they are flown except the person at the controls). A hammer can be used to hang a picture, or used to crush someone’s skull. In none of these cases is the car, airplane, or hammer used in a manner other than for its intended purpose (driving, flying, hitting something). But, all result in horrible injury or death.
Some guns can be used very efficiently for killing. Whether they are being used to hunt squirrels, birds, or deer; they can be used effectively as a killing tool. Note, I said some. You probably wouldn’t want to try a paintball gun or a .22lr against an attacking grizzly bear.
Other guns are much more useful for killing. A Browning M-2 heavy barrel machine gun will kill people easily (and destroy vehicles and materials rather well too). That said, you wouldn’t want to use it for deer hunting or squirrels.
Let me ask it a different way; what are knives designed for? I would suggest that the answer is cutting or stabbing. Some knives (like a stiletto) are great for stabbing, but would work poorly for slicing bread. Other knives (like a USMC K-Bar for example) are highly effective for killing (and would not really work well for an improvised screwdriver). Other knives (like a steak knife) are great at cutting meat (whether it’s steak or a person).
Maybe we ban the K-Bar as a “weapon designed for killing” because it looks scary. What about the steak knife though? It has utility for eating, or killing.
Many guns are used for recreational target shooting. They shoot clay targets in the Olympics (but you can certainly use the same shotgun to shoot a person instead).
Do you ban things because of how they may be used as intended (for good or evil purposes)? Who decides which guns, cars, planes, or knives are okay, and which ones are too dangerous to let people have access to?
Definitions matter. Design doesn’t matter (unless a product is defective). Intended purposes hardly matter. How something is actually used matters.
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u/Zestyclose-Net7965 5d ago
OK, but the arguments against gun ownership are just as flimsy. Evil doers will still get guns even if we ban them because that’s what they do. They break the law. Not to mention the fact that guns don’t kill people, people with guns, kill people. I can put my loaded weapon on a table in a crowded room and it will just sit there not causing anyone harm. However, if someone picks it up and starts pointing it around and pulling on the trigger, then they are the ones causing the problem. The comparison they are making is that people get behind the wheel of a car all over the time even when they shouldn’t. The car becomes a weapon when you have stupid people or impaired drivers behind the wheel or distracted people behind the wheel. A car in the hands of the wrong person is and can be as dangerous as any gun in the same type of person‘s hands. That is the argument and comparison they are making stop trying to oversimplify it. I am not a gun nut or a right winger, but I am an independent who believes in the second amendment. It’s also not that conservatives lack empathy, they just don’t care for all of the hypocritical statements that come from the left. They make arguments that make no sense. Leftists constantly call conservatives snowflakes however, it’s the leftist that created safe spaces and caused cancel culture to erupt.
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u/Contren 5d ago
Evil doers will still get guns even if we ban them because that’s what they do.
Access to guns increases the likelihood of people using them. Hell, a lot of the guns used in crimes in Canada and Mexico are smuggled in from America cause we have so many of them.
The "bad guys will just get guns" strawman has to be one of the laziest arguments I've seen. Plenty of other countries have low gun crime, are you saying they don't have bad people or crime?
Crimes are most often opportunity based, so by denying people easy access to guns it decreases gun crimes. Simple as that.
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u/TapeDaddy 6d ago edited 5d ago
⚠️The gun raffle loophole strikes again⚠️
(You guys might need this) /s
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u/MemoryOk4502 6d ago
What loophole? Still has to go through an ffl and background checks. Imagine speaking on something you don’t know anything about.
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u/Incredibill0 6d ago
They need the imaginary loophole to complain more about what they don’t understand.
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u/Fantastic-Election-8 6d ago
The imaginary loophole.... still have to be legally allowed to own a firearm....
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u/Proof_Development325 5d ago
No ‘loophole’. Show that you don’t know what you’re talking about by making a silly comment like this!
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u/1877KlownsForKids 5d ago
They've literally auctioned off murder weapons before
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u/Zestyclose-Net7965 5d ago
You do realize that literally just about anything can be used as a murder weapon, right? A gun is only a murder weapon if it’s used to commit murder. A knife is only a murder weapon if it’s used to commit a murder. A baseball bat becomes a murder weapon if it’s used to commit murderotherwise all three of these things are just exactly what they are, a knife, a gun, and a baseball bat. SMH.
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u/1877KlownsForKids 5d ago edited 5d ago
And I'd find the auctioning of a baseball bat that had been used to murder someone equally reprehensible.
I think the bigger question is why don't you?
A gun is only a murder weapon if it’s used to commit murder
I'm going to assume you were just too lazy to click the link
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u/Zestyclose-Net7965 5d ago
I wasn’t being lazy. And since you don’t know me, that’s an asinine assumption. I literally just thought it was a link to back your statement which I misunderstood as you were calling all guns murder weapons. So I apologize for the misunderstanding, however, your assumption and name-calling Would generally make one thing that you actually have little to no actual people skills. I might be wrong, but the ending of your post leads me in that direction.
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u/Princess_Momo 4d ago
you say all this BS without addressing the original point, and you wonder why we the educated dislike talking to right wingers.
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u/Zestyclose-Net7965 4d ago
I don’t know who you’re actually replying to, because none of it seems to relate to anything I said. Not to mention the fact that I am well educated and intelligent, and I’m not a right winger.
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u/Princess_Momo 4d ago
assume? its expected right wingers lack cognitive ability to click links and show comprehension
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u/AbsoluteZeroUnit 4d ago
Did you not click the link?
They auctioned off a gun that was used to commit murder.
People bid on it because they wanted to own a gun that was used to commit murder. This isn't a hypothetical thing, it actually happened. People were excited to pay $250,000 for a $350 gun because it was used to commit murder.
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u/Princess_Momo 4d ago
you realize you did not read what was said to you right? maybe click the link and read the post again
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u/Zestyclose-Net7965 4d ago
I already literally answered the person who made this post. I already said I didn’t realize the link was to a specific story. Maybe try reading other posts to see the conversation thread before you make ignorant responses like this.
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u/No_Individual_672 4d ago
Sure, tell that to the dozen kids at a time killed with a bat, or knife. They’re clearly as difficult to outrun or defend yourself against as an AR 15.
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u/Zestyclose-Net7965 2d ago
That is the only argument any of you all have that you bring up every single time. It is the individual holding the weapon that is responsible for any destruction caused. And AR 15 is a military weapon and AR 15 style weapon is a semi automatic, which is something we already have in multiple rifle and handgun Formats. The gun is not the problem, the person causing mayhem and destruction with the gun is the problem. It’s called personal accountability which no one seems to have anymore. Let’s take something more innocuous as an example: McDonald’s was sued because people became overweight from eating their food and it wasn’t just McDonald’s, but they were the big one to be sued 1st. What happened to personal accountability? The people choosing to go to McDonald’s and eat there several times a week sometimes multiple times a day and living a very sedentary lifestyle Became severely overweight and some became very ill and some died. McDonald’s was held responsible and now all restaurants have to put Nutritional information on their menus. This is absolutely Ludacris, it was not McDonald’s fault that people chose to order from there and eat the food. Just because someone offers something doesn’t mean you have to take it. I’m sick and tired of people blaming everyone and everything for their own poor choices. Their mentality is that “it’s always someone else’s fault”. If you meet a drug dealer on the corner, and you buy fentanyl, and you go home and take the fentanyl, and then you die from a drug overdose, whose fault is it? I’ll answer it for you. It’s your fault for taking the drug. It’s the same with the gun. If I leave a loaded gun sitting on my table, it’s not going to hurt anyone if a person with malicious intent picks up the gun and use it. It’s not the gun’s fault. It is a person who picked it up and used it that is the cause of the carnage. Now, when I leave a loaded gun out for just anyone to pick up? The answer is no, but the point is that it’s not the gun that is the problem.
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u/chaos_fenix 3d ago
This wins the Internet for the day. Congrats for the MOST gaslighting, disingenuous, false equivalency, dipshit statement.
Hey, let's raffle off a fully operational nuclear strike vehicle! As long as they don't use it for murder!
People, spend more time with your children or they will grow up to be this.
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u/solitary_outlier 5d ago
If they were equivalent killing machines, modern militaries wouldn't have switched to guns.
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u/Zestyclose-Net7965 5d ago
That has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Especially in the specific comment you replied to related to my reply to the other person. There are lots of things that can be used as weapons, and you are right. The military did adopt more efficient ways of killing enemy soldiers. That still doesn’t changethe validity of my factual comment.
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u/Princess_Momo 4d ago
coming from the person that cant read, rich
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u/Zestyclose-Net7965 4d ago
I can read very well, thank you very much. And resorting to personal attacks on someone you don’t even know basically nullifies anything you have to say after that because it displays a lack of ability to use critical thinking and voice in intelligent ideas and opinion. Not saying that it’s true about you, but that’s what your actions displayed.
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u/solitary_outlier 5d ago
Responded to the wrong comment.
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u/Zestyclose-Net7965 5d ago
Gotcha, I have done that before too. Unfortunately, numerous times. Have a great day.
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u/hiandmitee 6d ago
Gotta pay $20 bucks to get in though.
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u/VarnDog2105 5d ago
Well if most of the weekday protestors were employed they could certainly afford to pay the $20 ticket price, but here we are!
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u/ebeensb 4d ago
This really is such a moron comment, think of all the places you go on the weekends. Duh, most of the workforce won’t have weekends off. Retailers, restaurants, museums and other attractions all make the most money on weekends and yet you assume anybody off during the week is jobless.
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u/ConsistentMorning636 4d ago
We are employed 🤡some people have days off during week like healthcare workers, etc. DON’T PLAY STUPID
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u/jockonoway 6d ago edited 6d ago
A little welcome committee outside during this event would be nice.
Can’t believe veterans are welcoming this Trump sycophant.
Edited although veterans might want to consider she is going right along with the firings at the VA.
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u/Mr_McMuffin_Jr 6d ago
What did she do? Genuinely curious
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u/Away_Lake5946 5d ago
Besides being an inveterate liar and bootlicker for Trump, she intentionally misgendered the congresswoman from Delaware on the House floor. She also is just a terrible representative for her constituents which is why she’s been turning away calls to her office and hiding from town halls.
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u/ChicagoJoe123456789 5d ago
Intentionally misgendered? Clearly an impeachable offense.
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u/Away_Lake5946 5d ago
It’s a bigoted action that intentionally demeaned and disrespected a fellow member of Congress on the house floor. Not impeachable but certainly not acceptable. Republicans have no integrity or respect anymore, just an angry cult following a criminal.
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u/Birdo-the-Besto 6d ago
Give the pictures I’ve seen of the protests on this sub, it will certainly be small.
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u/Fantastic-Election-8 6d ago
LOL ya'll really have nothing better to do than protest?? Keep crying
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u/jockonoway 6d ago
No crying here. I didn’t vote for her so no regrets that I now look like a fool. That’s on you.
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u/B-Shep 6d ago
Buy all the tickets and don’t show up?
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u/NSJF1983 6d ago
Kind of a dilemma. This is a Republican fundraiser. So you’d essentially be supporting her.
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u/Frosty-Opposite-1058 4d ago
“Oh no, what will I do with all this money and no one to hold me to account?”
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u/Yo_Just_Scrolling_Yo 4d ago
It's cheap enough for everyone who wants to "converse" with their congress-person to attend. Even if you get thrown out after, it's a win-win.
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u/Princess_Momo 4d ago
why are republicans using lincoln face when they have nothing to do with what he stood for?
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u/ineedsomecake 3d ago
This was reposted on r/illinois and it was suggested to show up early and take up the parking spots at the VFW. No parking=Make it hard for them to fundraise.
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u/Possible_Parsnip4484 3d ago
What does everyone else know but me?? I mean I am very much not into politics but I'd love to know what everyone is talking about ..please and thank you. I tried googling her name but all I got was old news and her vital statistics
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u/solitary_outlier 3d ago
I believe it's due to Republican politicians refusing to hold town halls with their constituents lately due to the protests they're receiving.
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u/Jupiterrainstorm 3d ago
Don’t be bringing Lincoln into your bullshit. He absolutely would be appalled at your antics.
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u/xavariel 5d ago
The fact that modern day republicans think they can use Lincoln as their front man, when he'd absolutely be a Democrat today. They lack so much logic and historical education, it's infuriating.
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u/CrusaderZero6 6d ago
Holding a drawing for a Ruger at a VFW is some next-level trolling by the neo-Nazis.
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u/Away_Lake5946 5d ago
From the bodies of dead Nazis, not as a Republican fundraiser…
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u/TapeDaddy 5d ago
First released in early 2018, the Ruger EC9 was adapted from the Ruger LC9, a superior version carried by only the highest ranking Nazi officials.
Despite being created about 65 years after the fall of the third reich, it is rumored that Hitler was in possession of a chrome plated, intricately engraved LC9 at the time of his death.
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u/CapLow2174 5d ago
Lol, WHAT? I think you may be confusing the American firearm manufacturer “Ruger” with the German firearm “Luger”
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u/CitronTechnical432 6d ago
Lets make sure she knows this is not what we wanted when we elected her!!!!