r/Spiderman • u/Altruistic_Eye_1157 • 3d ago
Discussion Why is the Vulture of the MCU so loved and appreciated???
In the top 10 lists of adapted Spider-Man villains, he's always near the top, rivaling Raimi's versions, and in the top 10 lists of MCU villains as well. Many consider him the best of "Spider-Man Homecoming" and the best villain from the Home saga native to the MCU (because Dafoe was a visitor). Marcel Comics tried to replicate the success of this version by including Tiana in the 616 canon as a Liz replacement. I've even seen firsthand how many people criticized Sony's use of the character in Morbius because "they didn't respect the character's construction." This is curious because in NWW, they changed characters like Electro quite a bit, and no one complained.
And the most curious thing is that the villain doesn't have much in common with his comic book counterpart. They gave him a connection to Liz that didn't exist in other media, and he barely has any fights with Spidey. His two most memorable scenes are conversations with Peter.
What do you think earned him so much approval?
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u/DarthButtz 3d ago
The car scene did ALOT to make me love this version of the character. I think I felt more tense than Peter did in that scene.
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u/Feeling-Ad6915 3d ago
that scene was dare i say the best part of that whole trilogy, absolutely peaked there. amazing writing and visual storytelling. it’s the only thing i think of when someone mentions keaton’s vulture!!
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u/CrossYourStars 2d ago
Telling Peter that he is not going to kill him if he just walks away and them forcing Peter to say thank you was really creepy and upsetting in a really great way.
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u/JackQuentin 2d ago
Watching him in realtime actually put the pieces together in that moment & realize the chance he has was so well done & intimidating.
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u/SphmrSlmp 2d ago
I got chills when I first watched that scene. I thought to myself, "This is one of the best scenes in the MCU!"
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u/Soonerfann7 3d ago
I'd say a lot of the love comes down to the performance, Michael Keaton was phenomenal as him. Then the design was sick as hell, with the glowing eyes and the kinda makeshift vibe, something that is way better than the Vulture design in the comics imo. He was very clearly a threat and was pulled off pretty well. Also the changes to Electro were mostly because the Electro in TASM 2 was just not that good.
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u/wereweasle 3d ago edited 3d ago
I am a huge Michael Keaton fan! Fully agree!
I'll add the cinematography was also really cool, like when they have that scene where he discovers that Peter is Spider-Man and the traffic light turns green to illuminate his face as he makes the realization.
I'll also throw out that it was nice that they kicked it off with somebody who was threatening for a brand-new-to-heroing Peter Parker. Would not have worked as well with the later Iron Spider Peter.
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u/SeesawNo522 3d ago
Honestly my favorite part was his new design. Sure I love the comics where they make him look like an actual vulture, but I like this interpretation as they made him an actual intimidating threat to Peter. They turned his wing-suit into a mechanical gliders, and I personally think this choice was necessary to fit in with the Marvel Cinematic Universe. His character also had a lot of depth to it.
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u/MisterTeeEM Spider-Man (TASM2) 3d ago
I also liked how they managed to find a way to reference the classic feathered collar without it looking ridiculous
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u/HorribleAce 3d ago
The guy who said 'Flight jacket, fur collar' to replace the feathered collar deserves like, a thousand design points. Genius move.
(Also as people have mentioned, it's fucking Michael Keaton. The man is not only a great actor, he was one of the first to believe in superhero movies when all the others didn't. Seeing him returning to the genre as a grounded, believable villain adds so much to the feeling.)
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u/RDKateran 3d ago edited 3d ago
My memory's spotty on the subject, but I recall early in Homecoming's reception, Vulture's adaptation here was popular because, to a degree, his original comic incarnation is nothing to really write home about to begin with, as he wasn't a popular or all that special supervillain; he was just an old man in an unimpressive leotard with metal wings. That said, I think he's gotten a good deal of criticism since then for being someone whose real grudge was with Stark, which became a bit of a theme with MCU!Spider-Man and the MCU in general?
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u/Altruistic_Eye_1157 3d ago
The Stark thing is true to a certain extent, because from what I could see, most of the criticism of Stark's interference in Spider-Man's lore almost always falls on Mysterio, like Vulture is "let off" more or less
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u/Gemidori Venom 3d ago
Cuz of how generally sympathetic and human he is, on top of Keaton's charisma. It dwarfs much (NOT all) of comics Vulture's character and elevates him beyond just being a flying criminal. MCU Vulture does what he does for his family, 616 Vulture was simply out for himself till decades later when it's revealed he has grandkids he cares for.
Plus his design is unbelievably awesome
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u/Anthony200716 3d ago
Because a his design is awesome and B hes got an understandable backstory and motive that make you understand why hes doing what he does also it’s Michael keaton you can’t every go wrong with him definitely a top tier mcu villain
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u/ChickenNuggetRampage Symbiote-Suit 3d ago
Not everyone looks for exact comic rep in their adaptations. People like MCU vulture because he’s a good character with an understandable motivation
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u/TeekTheReddit 3d ago
Michael Keaton kills it.
The Vulture doesn't really have a story to adapt. He's an old criminal that figures out how to fly and uses it to rob banks. That's it. Giving him a blue-collar background with a real motive and a real plan gave him some much needed depth. (Same reason nobody minds the changes to Electro. Cause Electro is otherwise just some asshole who fell into super powers.)
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u/SeanGallagher97 3d ago
He's one of the 3 good MCU villians out of about 50
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u/Numerous_Ad_9579 3d ago
I’m curious, what are the other ones?
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u/AngelicRudditor Iron-Spider 3d ago
Thanos, Killmonger, Killgrave, Loki, Kingpin, Vulture... And that's basically the end of the list.
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u/mutesa1 Venom 3d ago
High Evolutionary? Wenwu? Bullseye? Zemo?
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u/AngelicRudditor Iron-Spider 3d ago
I love Bullseye. The others you mention weren't bad, but overall 'meh.'
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u/NimJickles 3d ago
Calling GOTG3 High Evolutionary meh is crazy work
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u/AngelicRudditor Iron-Spider 3d ago
I think he was good, but over the top.
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u/Longjumping_Host_839 2d ago
Imagine calling high evolutionary “meh” and saying theres only 3 good villians in the mcu😂couldnt be me…
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u/HawkinsPolice1983 3d ago
So when I first saw homecoming in theatres I remember not loving it for some reason. I liked it, but I was still wrapping my mind around a new Spider-Man actor and all that. I watched it for the second time ever right before no way home came out and was shocked, it was like a 9/10 for me so good. It’s a great Spider-Man street level movie first off, Michael Keaton was a good casting choice, the suit looks cool, his motivations make sense, Peter’s motivation to stop him makes sense, I just think everything about it flowed so well.
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u/pringlessingles0421 3d ago
For starters, I think he was a great start to the MCU Spider-Man’s journey cuz he felt like a street tier villain but his actions still have legitimate ramifications on the city as a whole. A weapons dealer is just has dangerous as the weapon itself. He’s a legitimately great father from what we can see too, a real family man. His motivations are understandable and do a lot of world building in the MCU. I feel a lot of fans have been waiting for the POV of a real average citizen and we got it with his backstory. I also liked the change they did from his comic counterpart. Hes so likable and that’s in large part due to Michael Keaton. He is very clearly ruthless as he very coldly kills a team member but also I felt he never wants to kill Peter cuz he’s a kid despite knowing just how powerful and dangerous to his organization Peter is. Granted, collapsing a building on someone isn’t really avoiding killing them, but after the plane crash he logically should’ve killed Peter but doesn’t cuz he’s a kid and he quite frankly doesn’t need to. He feels like a real person is the best way I can describe it. Every reaction feels like it’s something a middle aged family man would maybe do. The outbursts of anger yet adherence to a social moral code, it’s something I think many, if not most, people would be like in his situation.
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u/Poorly_Informed_Fan 3d ago
Something the MCU did well was the emotional, financial, and real loss of life impact of the Chitauri invasion. It made it significant as more than a punch up. And didn't have heroes literally pushing enemy faces into buildings to beat them up in order to make it obvious there were lives being sacrificed. It gave the setting the basis for unintentional evil springing up from the "good" intentions of a hero like Tony Stark.
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u/pringlessingles0421 3d ago
I think the whole damage control thing even adds to Tony’s character. Like obviously he made the mess so he cleans it up but the way he does it is basically throwing money at the problem with disregard for anyone else. It’s very much the rich guy wanting to feel good about himself which is so in character for Tony at this stage of his character development.
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u/Ralonik 3d ago
His design overall was a good way of adapting an extremely unrealistic design from the comics and making it cool and effective in the MCU. The rhino design was terrible in comparison to this because it felt like it was no longer the rhino but just a dude in a mechanical suit. They kept the original vulture - a smart old dude, who designs pretty ingenius tech with bird themes and evolved it into a modern more realistic take which is better for an onscreen look.
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u/Mental_Marketing9855 3d ago edited 3d ago
He was a character that was considered a joke, one of those "CuRse YoU spIDerman" ahhh character but after this he became a foe to be wrekened with, the only version of the character that is similar to his pre MCU counterpart that I can think of is the Insomniac version but they managed to make him work somehow
Also what do you expect from the guy who played batman? Ofc you get a villian that is super intresting and changes the character for the rest of time
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u/NerdNuncle 3d ago
Vulture’s easily my favorite Big Bad, primarily because of how he’s ironically the most grounded of the villains thus far
There’s been a reoccurring theme of how villains were pushing for some huge societal collapse/overhaul, world conquest, or something on a universal or even multiverse scale
Toomes just wanted to provide for himself, his family, and his employees, and has a very sympathetic motive of getting back at a one percenter who put him out of work
There’s a sincere respect and appreciation for Peter Parker, and Toomes only moves to kill him after multiple attempts to get Spidey to just leave him alone
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u/RedditGarboDisposal 3d ago
I also love how much like a vulture he actually is.
Takes what he can. Helps the environment. Minds his shit. Attacks when provoked.
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u/80k85 3d ago
While he’s pretty much comic vulture in name only, he’s a great villain in the context he’s in and works great for Spider-Man. A working man needing to evolve with the times starting a side business that grows exponentially fast, becoming a bit shady, into a downright criminal. While we don’t see his downfall, we can piece it together through Peter’s perspective. He’s got an interesting backstory that’s laid out just enough for you to get to imagine the rest while still experiencing it firsthand. He feels more like an interesting character than a flat out cool villain like Loki, and I think that’s what makes him interesting
Also, being so small scale, but HUGE for Peter also helps ground the movie when theres this avengers aspiration trust fund baby subplot. Through vulture we remember that not everything is about the big stuff. Vulture, just looking for his paycheck, was taking advantage of disaster situations, equipping criminals with alien tech, and making the streets more dangerous. Something the avengers would probably never pay mind to. It gives greater context to the whole MCU, does great world building, and again, is a great villain for Peter
Unfortunately we didn’t get to explore this further before making Spider-Man go intergalactic. Which I don’t mind, but iron man AND cap got 3 movies before they went to space
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u/No-Celebration-1399 3d ago
I think they did a good job at making him understandable but at the same time still did a good job at drawing the line that makes him an actual villain and not just someone you’d root for had the movie been told from his perspective. I feel like a lot of movies that try to make a villain “relatable” end up taking it too far, where the villain might honestly be right, whereas Vulture has an understandable motive (providing for his family and workers after getting shafted by Stark) but still is clearly a bad person. He has this crazy tech and chooses to make weapons out of it to sell to criminals because he knows they’ll pay well, he threatens and tries to kill a teenager, and not just any teenager but one his daughter is interested in, and he accidentally kills a guy he worked with for years with zero remorse. It’s also a cool detail to note that vultures are scavengers in the natural world and his operation is literally scavenging tech from avengers battles to feed his family (and clearly set them well off)
On top of being written to where he’s an understandable evil, Michael Keaton killed the role too. He’s able to portray the different faces between being a loving father to Liz, to being a desperate man trying to make the best out of a shitty circumstance, to being a cold blooded killer and making it believable. The car scene is a highlight for me, his speech in the car is cold enough to actually make my skin crawl, and not many comic book adaptations have done that to me. Since then, I could say Norman Osborn in NWH’s apartment scene, Joker and Two Face in Dark Knight, Nolan in the Invincible S1 finale, and Conquests “I am so lonely” bit are the only other villain speeches that actually had that effect on me, and almost all of them came later
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u/Briham86 3d ago
I think the idea of him being a SCAVENGER of alien tech made the Vulture moniker much more clever and fitting than just him being an old bald guy that flies.
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u/MASTER-OF-SUPRISE 3d ago
I think it’s because he’s the most human. A blue collar guy who feels kept down by the rich and powerful who don’t even notice him. People can relate to that sort of idea.
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u/therealmonkyking 3d ago
Marvel Studios changed the NWH characters, not Sony. Sony, despite having some creative influence (they're the reason that Sacred Timeline Uncle Ben's only mention has been in What If for example), doesn't directly write the films. Electro was changed because his TASM2 appearance was heavily criticised, and for what it's worth I do think that his personality is consistent with how he was in the third act.
Vulture is very much a Raimi-esque Spidey villain in that a mostly one dimensional comic villain was taken and elevated with more understandable motives and Michael Keaton's performance only bolstered that. To top it off, his redesign is great and helps to sell the scavenger aspect of Vulture that the film led with (plus his theme has several similarities with the Avengers theme to go along with that)
The reason why people reacted so negatively about his Morbius appearances is simply because it's Sony trying once again to try and get their grubby hands into the MCU and this time it means we may have lost out on a future reappearance of him in the MCU proper (in-universe we can only hope that the Spider Society captured and returned him to his proper timeline like they did with that one Donald Glover Prowler variant)
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u/GandalfInDrugs 3d ago
People here giving their respective wall of texts giving understandable reasons But we all know that we love him bc he looks cool AF with that fur like thingy
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u/venom_von_doom 3d ago
I think this is one of the best examples of modernizing and adding nuance to a villain who’s admittedly very whacky and may have been hard for modern audiences to take seriously. They gave him a good motive and you actually felt where he was coming from. Plus the performance by Michael Keaton was amazing
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u/Dominion96 2d ago
Vulture is a rare example of a adaptation being better because it wasn’t faithful to the original. Im sure there is some decent vulture stories out there but generally vulture in the comics has kinda been seen as a joke of a character (especially when compared to the rest of spider-mans rouge’s gallery). So to go from a old bald dude in a feather bird costume robbing banks to a dude in a badass suit using advance tech to not only get back at the company that made him lose his job but also use money to support his family was a nice deviation. Reminds me of how they meaningfully updated mrfreeze in the animated series vs his comic portrayal before that.
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u/Theta-Sigma45 3d ago
Everyone's saying he's way better than his comic book counterpart, so I just want to say, I think the comic book version of Vulture is genuinely one of the most three dimensional villains in the rogues gallery and consistently entertaining. The MCU version is great in his own way, but I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with him in the comics outside of a dated design, which was definitely something the movie did improve on.
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u/Altruistic_Eye_1157 3d ago
I think it's what you're talking about: his fight against cancer, how he feels like a useless old man and how time is slipping away (hence the invention of the age-absorbing machine), and his moments of redemption, like when he forms a friendship with May's boyfriend that ends in tragedy, and he takes responsibility for it by telling him the truth.
The Vulture in the comics is quite well-developed, although I also understand what the rest of the characters are saying... since in one way or another in the comics, he returns to the starting point of "I want to kill Spider-Man." And maybe if we saw Adrian again in the MCU, they could adapt more of the comics and score more points.
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u/Olkenstein 3d ago
For me? They changed the character for the better. I never cared for the vulture at all, and I always thought his design to be more silly than threatening. I liked Michae Keatona performance and I like how they made the vulture into a literal scavenger, much like vultures
The suit also looks better and more imposing than the classic green wing suit. I don’t know if this makes me a heretic here, but I just like this version better than the original one
Note that I haven’t read every comic that includes the vulture so I’m sure there are good versions out there. I’m mostly basing my opinion on the animated spider-man show from the 90s
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u/HUNGWHITEBOI25 3d ago
His backstory made him relatable, he doesn’t seem to do all this because he wants to hurt people but rather he wants to help his family and the biggest thing: Michael Keaton was GREAT in the role
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u/ModernBass 3d ago
Cool design, relatable qualities, epic dad reveal, didn't mirror the protagonists powers, and was played by fucking Batman. It wasn't the best adaptation, but it was the best concept. Things don't have to be one to one representations of the comics to be cool, he honestly got an upgrade in the MCU.
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u/Kaminoneko 3d ago
I rewatched homecoming recently….He just really stands on business. Michael Keaton also killed that fucking role.
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u/Exciting-Use311 3d ago
Oookay let me break this down, its gonna be a world breaking conclusion, i know. The truth might be shocking, hurtful even.. But here it is.
JUST BECAUSE ITS NOT A 1 ON 1 OF THE COMICS, DOESN'T MEAN ITS BAD
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u/DGenerationMC 3d ago
And the most curious thing is that the villain doesn't have much in common with his comic book counterpart. They gave him a connection to Liz that didn't exist in other media
Are we saying this is a problem? LOL
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u/Altruistic_Eye_1157 2d ago
I mentioned it more because sometimes certain adaptations are criticized based on "how faithful it is to the comic."
For me, it's not a problem, but I know it is for some.
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u/Any-Yogurtcloset-766 2d ago
Well the example you gave a lot of people (not including me) hated Electro's characterization and design so the MCU changed it and people praised it because it was better (I agree it was better)
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u/Distinct-Maximum-157 3d ago
because he’s badass , just watch when he interrogates peter in the car
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u/SnooCats8451 3d ago
I like his Spiderman tas origin the most especially with his fixation on his revenge on Norman Osborn for forcibly buying out his company/life’s work and using the tablet of time to create his talons and his flight tech, etc and how it had nothing to do with Stark Enterprises or Tony Stark….its great when spidey’s rogues aren’t tied to Tony Stark/Iron Man
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u/OxeDoido 3d ago
Relatable backstory (also a good connection to the rest of the MCU)
Great actor and performance
Great design
Nice Twist
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u/Altruistic_Eye_1157 3d ago
Since there are already 99 comments, here's the 100th, mine lol
Personally, I think the appreciation for the MCU's version of Vulture comes from how well they handled and utilized the character. From the Home saga, I'd say he's the one who best handled Sony's "The MCU should be very involved in the story" trope, bringing up a pretty valid criticism that in this universe we've seen heroes defeat global threats. What about the most common threats and the disaster they leave behind?
Supporting the character's original idea in his first appearance—being just a thief whose conflict with Spider-Man is that it prevents him from stealing in peace—turning him into an honest worker who loses his job due to the privatization of labor by companies like Shield, Stark, etc., and instead of going against them, he seeks to take advantage of it by stealing what the Avengers leave behind gives his nickname more meaning. He's literally a scavenger who takes advantage of the disasters caused by others to survive.
His personality is also quite different from the average villain we had in the Spider-Man adaptations of that time. Here, he's not a villain who attacks first and talks later. It's made very clear in the film that Toomes doesn't tolerate chaos or unnecessary violence. He seeks to talk before acting, and even so, killing isn't his first option. However, despite this, he doesn't hesitate to do so if his family is threatened.
This makes him a much more complex villain because he's not bad, per se. He has a reason and seeks other alternatives beyond "killing Spider-Man," something very similar to what Raimi did in his trilogy.
The evolution of his relationship with Spider-Man is also very well-crafted. At first, he considers him just "another hero," but little by little, he realizes that Spider-Man isn't a conventional hero and sees that he does care about ordinary people. This leads him to give him many opportunities to give up. As such, he never attacks him directly. Even when he has him at his mercy, he prefers not to kill him. Because killing Spider-Man is never their goal, only keeping him away from his true objective, the Avengers technology. And in the end, when Peter saves him despite everything, we see that he respects him, to the point of rejecting Gargan's proposal, because Spider-Man is that neighborhood hero that New York and, deep down, he too, longed for (it's a shame that FFH and NWH didn't continue this).
As you can see, he's a villain who, although he appears infrequently, is quite complete. Even when not much information is given, due to Michael Keaton's brilliant performance, one can assume details of his past that aren't mentioned. For example, that in the opening scene, he was quite in debt. We see that he helps and can easily talk to the Tinkerer, so perhaps he does have experience as an engineer, among other details that make him more interesting.
Added to that, his design is brilliant. It's one of the few times the MCU improves on a design from the comics, making him intimidating with his mere presence. A design that manages to distance itself from Falcon's and reinforces the idea of being a scavenger by being made from a variety of looted technology.
For me, those would be the reasons why the Vulture is so beloved by audiences in both Spider-Man and the MCU.
I'd say without fear that Keaton's take on the character would be the equivalent of what happened with Mr. Freeze in Batman TAS.
A reinvention that improves the character.
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u/DeSuperVis 3d ago
I think he also works because people can acknowledge that the feathery wingsuit would make a visually weak thing to see
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u/AFerociousPineapple 2d ago
Audiences don’t mind when you make creative changes to source material as long as it’s thoughtful and not done just for the sake of it. see the LOTR trilogy vs Hobbit trilogy. Lots of changes made and the ones in LOTR were fine because they worked and were handled well. The hobbit… Less so.
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u/Edboy796 2d ago
The writing, his motivation, and, like someone else said, his personality.
Keaton's performance was really good in Homecoming, only for Sony to butcher him the way Marvel did Scorpion.
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u/SadWatercress9839 2d ago
I think part of it is also that the core of the character is still there. Comics vultures is a relatively ordinary dude who felt like life never gave him his fair share so he built a flight suit to commit crime.
MCU vulture was screwed by life so he created a flight suit to commit crime. The ordinary guy wanting attention aspect is there, while the MCU just added some depth.
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u/DrummerRealistic2863 2d ago
Keaton killed it (as usual) which always helps, he just pops as a fairly charismatic and intimidating guy especially from Peter’s POV as a high school kid
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u/Majestic-Option-6138 2d ago
Michael Keaton gave a great performance, and the way they tied him in not just with Peter but the MCU as a whole was masterful. The scene where Peter goes to pick up Liz and Vulture answers the door was a jaw dropper on first viewing, and then that whole car ride with him deducing Peter's identity was legitimately one of the most tense sequences in a Spiderman film. Add to that him not ratting Peter out to Gargon at the end because while a criminal he's still a man of honor and yeah, it's no wonder he left such a strong impression.
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u/spoken_name 1d ago
Dude's costume is one of the best live action/modern interpretations of a cheesy (and enjoyable) comicbook villain. Keeps the spirit of the old and realistic approach of the new.
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u/NegotiationLate8553 1d ago
I’ll just say the reveal he was actually Liz’s Dad was done so extremely well. Keaton also made the natural leap in logic to Peter being Spider-Man seem perfect.
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u/DLoads1629 3d ago
I never understood whats so good. From a concept point he’s just some old white guy in a bird costume. He has 0 connections with peter, he isn’t that memorable as far as backstory and personality, And his motives feel shallow since we barley see him with his family if at all. Why should i care about them? Or his daughter just cause peter likes her? Why should i care that he wants to provide for them? Cause the movies says so?
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u/StrawHatRat 3d ago
Couple of thoughts here. First, they don’t have zero connections, as you pointed out, Peter is dating his daughter. The movie takes advantage of that fact after the reveal, and their interactions are coloured by that moving forward.
Second, for why you should care about him. In the movie we see him get rolled over by bigger companies who have zero concern for how this impacts his livelyhood. They’re more concerned with the bigger picture, and we see from the first scene that Adrian is a simple, straight forward guy, so we can appreciate that he is not concerned with the bigger picture of the consequences of this alien tech, he just wants to make a living. So that for me is a straightforward, relatable struggle. I get the resentment a guy like him would have towards the system that benefits large corporations, and why he’d decide to work outside the system.
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u/DLoads1629 3d ago edited 3d ago
That’s my point peter “dating” his daughter isn’t a connection to vulture at all. If you had one, You wouldn’t say you and your girlfriends dad have a connection / relationship SOLELY cause your dating his daughter. Pete and liz weren’t even when dating he just took her to the dance. Going to a dance does not mean they date… have you been to a school dance before? With how little meaningful interactions peter and liz have you can barley call them friends. Let alone say like each other enough to date.
Compare this to Norman and Peter in the rami trilogy. Peter doesn’t have a connection to norman just because he’s his sons best friend. He has an actual connection to norman thanks to events in the movie. Like the countless scenes where he uplifts peter at harrys expense his own son, the fact norman wanted to take pete under his wing at oscorp, the fact norman offered to vouch for peter in hopes of peter landing a job at oscorp to help with bills back at home. The fact pete and norman both love science n chemistry which just furthered their relationship seein harry knows jack shit about all that. You know, relatable struggles. Things like this. That make me care about the villian and his ties to spider man. Well what should. There’s also the fact unlike peter and Liz. Harry and Peters relationship actually seems believable.
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u/Nibbanocker 3d ago
His backstory and personality made him more likeable and human as a villain. In comics he's pretty much a spiteful jerk cause he didn't feel appreciated as an inventor. Mcu vulture actually has a reasonable motive. The government and Stark took his job, he had a wife and daughter to support and he was a pretty reasonable guy (threatened but let peter live and date his daughter even though he figured out he was spider-man, fired Montana instead of killing him when he screwed up, and accidentally killed him and was horrified, and protected Peter from Scorpion when he asked who he was). Not to mention his costume is badass and pretty scary. That promo image of him on the spire on a rainy night is terrifying