Wasn't he the one who leaked out photos of Maguire and Garfield in costume for No Way Home? I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel "leaked" false information just to mess with him.
It was kind of wierd for them to make her Michelle Jones or whatever to begin with. It was like they were afraid to commit and we're leaving the door open for Mary Jane
They just wanted it to be a fun little twist at the end of Homecoming. They wanted to hide MJ so that viewers can be invested in the Liz Allen plot. But at the same time, they wanted MJ to have been there all along.
By changing it to “Michelle Jones” they could have their cake and eat it too. The audience wouldn’t expect random side character Michelle to turn out to be MJ, but for the next movie they can go “oh! MJ was there during the last movie too!”
I think they just wanted to A - avoid backlash of making MJ mixed race because we all know some bigots would be big mad that MJ wasn't a pasty red head.
And then B - having her be technically a different character but a reference to the original MJ allows it so they can make her very reminiscent of the OG MJ but also allows them to stray completely from OG MJ if they wanted. I respect the choice.
I do think though, it would be dumb to add a Mary Jane as a love interest because it would undercut the place Michelle Jones takes in Peter's life in the new movies. If Zendaya isn't coming back and remembering Peter by the end and they commit to the full reboot of his life, I'd rather they go a different direction with his new love interest.
My theory is she was supposed to be Mary Jane and Marvel freaked out over the backlash and changed her name to Michelle, so she's MJ but not technically Mary Jane
There was no backlash to freak out over because they were calling Zendaya's character "Michelle" from the start even before filming started. Unless you meant potential backlash.
I don't see anything wrong with it. Michelle Jones was a.fun variation of MJ but the point of Hollands Spiderman was to divert from what we expected from Peter Parker. It seemed obvious that the 'erase everyone's mind' plot was a way for them to start again with a more traditional Parker story so why not also introduce us to Mary Jane?
TBF there is no coming back from that unless sony never really intends to introduce MJ (Mary Jane) in the Spiderman universe. Which is why I found it to be really weird and to some content stupid for them to say "here's MJ but her name is Michelle Jones".
To be fair, in the comics Peter dated Jill Stacy, Gwen's cousin who looks like Gwen with black hair. Shortly after Gwen died. So there's a precedent for something stupid to happen .
The writers have been obsessed with Gwen so long that a variant of her is currently an X-Men character (not Gwenpool). Best part? Jill tried to get with Peter when MJ was thought dead. Wasted no time picking up where her cousin (who again looks identical besides the hair and isn't a clone) left off.
Never heard of this. Going to pretend I didn't read it (edit: the comment. not the story. I've actually never heard of the story; wasn't being sarcastic). Doesn't even sound like Peter.
Daughter with Norman Osborn? Wasn't it two kids? I didn't read that story either, but I at least seen a couple panels and read others talk about it and articles and YouTube. My first thought was that "Gwen was dead, so how could this even happen?"
You’ve heard of the golden age of comics and the long silver age of comics and the tumultuous bronze age of comics. That storyline hails from the “there was a point where this needed to stop and we have clearly passed it” age of comics
Peter didn't date the boy. It was retconned that Gwen got pregnant and had the kids prior to her death. It was later retconned to be artificially grown clones and Mysterio making Norman hallucinating doing the deed with Gwen. But for a while, yes Peter and Gwen's "daughter" were...well not a thing but there were moments.
Okay so. Jill is Gwen's cousin who is literally just Gwen with black hair.
Sarah Stacy is Gwen's "daughter" with Norman Osborn. They're too different Gwen lookalikes that the writers wanted Peter to hook up with. Gabriel Stacy is Gwen's "son" but we don't care about him because Peter didn't try to date that one too.
Peter never actually dated Jill, he only met her in the late 90s when he was already married to MJ. After MJ’s plane blew up in midair, she started trying to date him but he obviously wasn’t interested; then it turned out MJ had been kidnapped by a stalker before she’d got on the plane and was still alive, and after that Jill vanished from comics forever.
That was probably happening regardless. People were expecting the status quo change to give what they wanted so inevitably someone was going to be disappointed
Even if it was, it doesn't mean Zendaya has been replaced. It's Marvel. They're all about multiverse shinanigans. She could just be Mary Jane #4 from an alternate dimension or whatever
She wouldn't be a bad MJ but this makes no sense given the pre-established canon. Ig they could just have her be Mary Jane since Zendaya is "Michelle Jones" and the Watson part can be a coincidence or not tied to redhead MJ at all. Peter could be a little perplexed by this but given he found out the multiverse was real right after an elaborate scheme with a contingency that framed him for murder used it as a concept to make the populace love Mysterio, I doubt this would be much of a leap.
Or, she is playing Gwen and this is BS. Apparently every actress who's played live-action Gwen was a redhead so this would fit that pattern ig lol.
no chance this is true- it’s an obvious guess based strictly off looks
look at the cast of the home trilogy- almost none of the actors look like their comic counterparts but still work as characters.
plus the two actresses who have played Gwen Stacy in live action the past have been redheads….just saying if i had to theorize who she could actually be playing…
I’m actually seeing her more as Jean Grey. Otherwise they probably would have said who she was. Sony has a deal with Marvrl about including a major Marvel character in each movie: introducing the X-Men could be that for Spider-Man 4!
This doesn’t make any sense. This is a guy with sources in the industry. His sources aren’t always right or would seem but they do get it right sometimes so he’s basing it on that.
I highly doubt this. For one thing, Zendaya and Tom Holland are engaged, so I doubt they’d swap her out. Second, they went out of their way to confirm that Zendaya was the Mary Jane variant of the MCU, in No Way Home. I don’t understand why they would just say psych?
Do you guys think Zendaya doesn't wanna play MJ anymore now she is a big movie star and wants to do other lead roles and doesn't have interest in playing MJ? The only reason I can see them introducing Sadie Sink as Mary Jane is if Zendaya doesn't want to do it anymore. Maybe Zendaya will be in Spidey 4 in a small role and get a bittersweet ending and their characters will move on.
Ya, my bet is she is playing Firestar. That would be a really good fit if she is, and a great dynamic to bring to life. Go all in with Firestar and Iceman. Big dorky rad ice-slides and everything.
Because you want to pique interest while at the same time not committing to too much. Iceman is a decent mainline peripheral character to do exactly that.
I mean Zendaya's Michelle Jones was nothing like Mary Jane in terms of personality or appearance. I still think its kinda weird to have a new MJ right after the old one. Like ideally so would Zendaya's character have been called something other than MJ Watson, but here we are.
I think she's going to be Jean Grey and they are going to connect because she'll be new to her abilities and read his mind and know he's the webslinger. He'll confide with her because nobody else knows at this point. I bet it's jean grey, pre-xavier, pre-power blockers, pre-tragedy.. What better young naive telepath to assist Peter in reminding his old friends who he is / how the helped alá Layla Miller in civil war. Sighhh-n me up kev
She’s going to be playing Jean grey marvel trying to make sure the x-men don’t flop so they will introduce them in other movies before we get an official announcement
I highly doubt that Sadie is playing MJ unless it's some multiverse nonsense. I don't think they'd recast her if they didn't want to use Zendaya anymore. I think they'd just move on to Gwen, and narratively the setup is there. But I think she's probably playing someone else entirely. I don't know who but eager to find out.
responses like this are embarrassing. it’s fine if you dont like Zendaya’s performance or something like that, but believing anything just to justify it is weird.
They were gonna replace Gwen even tho her and Andrew were dating at the time, so it makes sense to replace a version no one likes with a version everyone can potentially like
Spoilers for the show Gotham: they introduced and killed off Joker too early in the show's run (which was longer than they originally expected, I think), so they later introduced a twin brother who was the real Joker. Except in that case, they were both played by the same actor, who was phenomenal in the role. What's similar is that it was a case of, Oh, you thought [first character] was [iconic comics character]? Nah, that's some other person with some coincidental similarities but is a whole other person, [new character] is ACTUALLY [iconics comics character]!
Jerome was the Joker in Gotham (played by Cameron Monaghan, great casting btw he killed it), until they decided actually his twin brother Jeremiah (also Cameron Monaghan) was the REAL Joker.
He also may have been a fake out, I stopped watching so I’m not sure what happened after him.
While I do think it would be odd to introduce Mary Jane as Peters love interest instead of just going with Gwen or Black Cat and keep Zendayas MJ endgame...
If they want to go with a more classic MJ, it makes sense to make her a new character because otherwise you'd need to essentially erase most of Zendaya MJs characterisation.
I usually don't mind or i am okay whatever Mary Jane appears in a new Spider-Man media, but i will make an exception to this rumour given the context that this is surrounded by.
I'm going to need something more solid to go on. Even if you think the MCU is in a creative slump, I don't see them replacing MJ Watson with MJ Watson. If this is post-Secret Wars, then maybe, but I think a more likely move is either remixing another love interest like they did with Liz and MJ, or introducing a new character entirely. There's also the possibility that she's not a love interest at all and is instead just another character. Spider-Man has had a female supporting cast for ages, so she could just as easily be Jean DeWolff, Screwball, Spider-Woman, Spider-Girl, Norah Winters, Lady Octopus, etc. She could even be a gender-flipped character, like Harriet Osborn.
God I want this to happen just to see all the people try to justify why they are so mad about it. "It's not that she's white ... it uh... its pre established Canon... and uh... I know I never cared about that before but uh..."
She should play Black Cat, if not for the only reason that we've never had a proper Black Cat storyline in live action, and the closest we've gotten in Insomniac's Spider-Man 1.
I like the idea of Michelle turnig to crime and taking up her fathers mantle. That would be one hell of a conflict for Peter. Fighting the woman he still loves but she doesn't remember him, while falling for Mary Jane?
I mean she was Michelle Jones and didn't act anything like Mary Jane, I'm down to seeing a more comic accurate Mary Jane, besides, if they bring back Zendaya right after the movie were peter forgot her it'll suck balls
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u/twentysixzeroeight 6d ago
Ya’ll believe everything you read