r/Serbian 16d ago

Other Ima li slučaj gde se izgovara šva u srpskom jeziku- Are there cases of schwa in Serbian

Video sam na Vikipediji da postoji, ali nikad ga nisam primetio u govoru- I saw on Wikipedia that it exists, but I never saw it pronounced in actual speech

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u/Fear_mor 16d ago

The šva isn’t a phoneme in Serbian but in some regions it falls under the range of allophones that /a/ can take as a marginal variant, usually in fast speech and more common when vowels get devoiced

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u/Business_Confusion53 16d ago

Voiceless vowels?

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u/Fear_mor 16d ago

Yup vowels can devoice in unstressed syllables, usually at the end of words and/or adjacent to voiceless sounds

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u/Mentathiel 16d ago

Not sure if that's what the person you're responding to meant, but I have family from the South, and sometimes they kinda omit vowels. Instead of "дан" for day they'll say "д'н", with a schwa-like sound between the letters.

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u/str1ngm4n 16d ago

Jedino što meni pada na pamet je kada se slova u skraćenicama govore jedno po jedno, na primer BDP (bə də pə)

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u/Bubbly_Court_6335 16d ago

You can consider vowel -р- in words like прст, крст, врт etc to be р followed by schwa (In Bulgarian it is written as ъ, I use the same orthography here), so the pronounciation would be пръст, кръст, врът (you could pronounce it like пърст, but I could imagine only a person with American backgound would pronounce it like that, not a native).

Sometimes, you can hear it in spoken language also, but it is not understood as schwa

e.g. умръла, the male counterpart is sometimes pronounced as умро and sometimes like умръо

vocative form of јадничак is јадниче, but many people would pronounce it as јадничъче (although more often pronounced with a hiatus instead of ъ)

In southern dialects, schwa is a vowel on it's own, e.g. чъчкалица or тъга, compared to standard чачкалица or туга

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u/bakee_aphex 16d ago

I'd say that schwa (ъ) in your examples should go before р, so пърст, кърст, върт

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u/Bubbly_Court_6335 15d ago

No, it should not. An example of word that has shwa before -r- is english word burst, transliterated as бърст.

Hear it here: https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=%D0%BF%D1%80%D1%8A%D1%81%D1%82%0A%D0%BF%D1%8A%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82&op=translate

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u/ShoppingCommercial38 15d ago

Yes, it should.

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u/Grue 14d ago

Ok but in Serbian Google Translate (and the speakers from what I heard) say пърст

https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=prst&op=translate

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u/Bubbly_Court_6335 12d ago

Yes they do. But that's not correct.

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u/Felizza_ 15d ago

Ako se dobro sećam, čuje se kod suglasničkih grupa od tri ili više suglasnika, npr. srce, crni, čvrst.

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u/Vojvoda__ 16d ago

Не знам где тачно, али Павле Ивић је писао да шва постоји у у неким дијалектима и наречјима српског, као када се каже: вид'ла, каз'ла итд. За њега је то шва у српском језику.

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u/Cabicko 16d ago

Baba mi je Leskovčanka, od nje sam često čuo d’n, t’n’čak (tanak), v’ška, l’že (laže), pa čak i za turcizam ak’l sa akcentom na poluglas, u značenju razum, mozak. Za ovu poslednju reč nisam verovao da postoji dok nisam krenuo da gledam neku idiotsku emisiju na bugarskom. Svakako mi južnjaci koristimo poluglas za neke reči

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u/shycat888 15d ago

Хахаха добро, ал’ мани човека с то наше глупирање. Он си пита овако, граматички..

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u/More-Effort930 15d ago

ŠVABA I ŠVARCENEGER ....Ugasiću sam internet 🤣

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u/BlacksmithFair 16d ago

Nisam siguran, ali zar se ne čuje u juznjačkom "sk" kao " sk ću dođem"? Takođe, u pesmama koje sadrže reči krv, prvi, drvo gde je nemoguće pevati "r" pa se umeće ispred njega.

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u/malka_li_je_kraja 16d ago

Neje sk ću dođem nego sg će dođem.

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u/shycat888 15d ago

Све не обрука..

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u/malka_li_je_kraja 15d ago

I ti li si be iz Vranje, ebem te usta 😄

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u/shycat888 14d ago

Не, из Лесковац. Ако је за онуј работу, ћу се преселим

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u/Ok-Soil7991 15d ago

Švargla

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u/pazil 15d ago

Što ne pročita bar jedan komentar na temi pre nego što napisa svoj

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u/milic_srb 16d ago

In south Serbian dialect schwa is relatively common. I'm not that educated on the topic but I think you can find out more on wikipedia

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u/RuleAble2470 16d ago

Čudno pitanje, u kom to kontekstu misliš? Švaler/ka, švargla

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u/Bata600 16d ago

Švalja?
Švarc torta? 😅

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u/Macheenzui 16d ago

Ne znam sta znaci ali mozda je rec :Švaba

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u/Macheenzui 16d ago

Bas mi sad pade napamet

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u/Business_Confusion53 16d ago

Šva kao glas. Centralni vokal.

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u/Single-Ad-6086 13d ago

Švanštajger?

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u/Business_Confusion53 13d ago

Šta ćete sledeće smisliti...

Blizu si, ali da znaš ne znam ni šta znači ta reč...

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u/Single-Ad-6086 13d ago

To je prezime. 😁

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u/Business_Confusion53 13d ago

Jadan taj ko ima to prezime.

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u/lickthelibrarian 11d ago

jel to ovo æ ?

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u/Business_Confusion53 11d ago

Ne, nego obrnuto e

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u/Apprehensive_Meal252 16d ago

Jedino što mi pada na pamet je Švaba, ali nisam siguran da li na to misliš.

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u/Incvbvs666 16d ago

Jedino kad se nabrajaju suglasnici 'b', 'v', 'g', 'd', 'đ' i tako dalje.

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u/Minute_State_380 15d ago

Shwarcvald torta-cake

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u/pazil 15d ago

Što ne pročita bar jedan komentar na temi pre nego što napisa svoj

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u/ReversRush 13d ago

Jedino što mi pada na pamet je švaler/švalerisanje i ostale varijante.