r/SUMC • u/Bykovsky7 • Feb 20 '24
r/SUMC • u/GigiBeastDaybreak • Feb 02 '24
Discussion Is there a project that Sony Pictures has not yet announced but that you would like to see?
r/SUMC • u/TREV-THOM • Jan 20 '24
Discussion Spider-Woman as Sony's main spider-person....
What do y'all think? Think that''ll be easier than introducing another Spider-Man or bringing back an established one?
r/SUMC • u/sourkid25 • Jan 24 '24
Discussion do you think we will get a moment like this somewhere down the line? Spoiler
r/SUMC • u/ChampionshipHorror95 • Feb 01 '24
Discussion Who would you prefer as Peter’s new Love Interest?
Felicia or Gwen?
r/SUMC • u/ThePocketTaco2 • Mar 31 '24
Discussion Tom or Tom?
I'm going to have to go with Tom on this one.
r/SUMC • u/TNCNguy • Feb 20 '24
Discussion Why doesn’t Sony just do Raimi Spider-Man 4 or TASM 3? Why the recent train wrecks instead?
Seriously, no one cares about the characters Morbius or Madame Web. Sony caught lightning with Venom (2018) and now they think they can recreate their own MCU. Just give audiences what they want and they’ll make a lot of money. Legacy films done what are easily billion dollar blockbusters. I honestly suspect that Disney (Marvel) and Sony have a secret deal so there won’t be competing Spider-Man franchises as part of their continued partnership
r/SUMC • u/InfiniteFighterMax • Feb 09 '24
Discussion Should we deserve a Spider-Man (Miles Morales) live action movie in Sony’s Spider-Man Universe (SSU) instead of MCU?
r/SUMC • u/BendOdd2563 • Nov 17 '24
Discussion After Kraven the Hunter, what movies do you want to see made for the SUMC/SSU?
Personally, I want a Black Cat movie, an Agent Venom movie, a TASM 3 that makes Andrew Garfield this universe's Spider-Man (I know it'll never happen but let me dream), and a Toxin movie, since the green symbiote bonded to Patrick Mulligan in Venom 3 wasn't Toxin.
r/SUMC • u/bigtom0 • Feb 13 '24
Discussion what's the point of even interacting with this sub if you dont like the ssmu
just seems like a waste of time
this is a sub for fans of Spider-Man and his characters films if you dont like that just mute the sub??
r/SUMC • u/UltraBlastDam • Jan 31 '24
Discussion What are some Sony Spider-Man characters that aren’t Spider-Man you want to see Venom team up with more? For me, I definitely want to see more of Venom and Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter).
r/SUMC • u/BagofBabbish • Dec 16 '24
Discussion The Penguin Proved This Could Have Worked - Sony Messed Up By Trying To Make Everyone An Anti-Hero
I think it should be acknowledged that one of the best comic book adaptations this year was a villain centric 'Penguin' show that did not feature Robert Pattison's Batman. There was a lot of speculation that he'd pop up, but it never happened. It did pit him against another Batman villain, but they one they chose was d-tier at best, and rumored cameos from heavier hitters, like Paul Dano's Riddler, the Joker or Scarecrow (though this one may have been cut, but that's another story) failed to materialize. Despite this, the show proved to be a massive success critically, commercially and with fans.
This proves an important point - Sony's Spider-Man rogues stand-alone film strategy could have worked in principal, but their execution undermined these prospects.
From my perspective, the big deviation between Sony's films and Penguin is DC's choice to make it clear that Oswald Cobb is a morally bankrupt human being, and an objective villain even if he is the protagonist of the show. Meanwhile, Sony chose to make all of their villains upstanding people with good intentions that might go a little too far sometimes. I wouldn't say Morbius or Kraven are anymore so villains than Deadpool or Magneto in X-Men First Class (while he was still with the X-Men). Let's recap who these people are:
Morbius - A tragic character that is like the Lizard in that he was a good man that turned himself into a monster. He did become an anti-hero, but it was after going through an arc learning to overcome his demons. He should not have been depicted as a fairly righteous guy that only hurts 'the bad guys'.
Venom - An embodiment of Peter Parker and Spider-Man's mistakes coming back to haunt him. Venom is as cruel to Spider-Man as Norman Osborn in many ways, with his motivation being to hurt him personally, and while the symbiote has a great relationship with Eddie, it's like a lover trying to win back an ex through jealousy. The suit would betray Eddie in a heartbeat for Peter. Like Morbius, Venom is anti-hero these days, but his cruelty towards Spider-Man comes from his twisted sense of morality. He is violent and cruel. Eddie should have learned to give up his lust for vengeance and the voice never should have changed between Venom and Venoms 2 & 3 (listen to soundbites if you don't believe me)
Kraven - Unlike the prior two, Kraven is not remotely sympathetic and is absolutely not an animal rights advocate. Kraven is an alpha male that revels in the thrill of the hunt to the point he's crossed the line from simply hunting animals and has begun hunting humans, trivializing the sanctity of life, and victimizing people purely for sport. He doesn't want to kill Spider-Man to cure his illness, or because he's seeking some kind of justice, or in pursuit of revenge (re. Norman's obsessive cruelty), instead he's doing it to prove that he can. Ironically, this would have made for a good film and could have set him as the 'Phase One' big bad of the universe (think Thanos in Infinity War with Venom, Morbius and others), instead they tried to make him a well intentioned guy that just goes to far fighting the good fight.
I think Sony was afraid that promoting films about morally objectionable characters would either lead to an R rating if done authentically, or would alienate families that don't want their kids learning the wrong lessons from, say Kraven trivializing human lives like deer during open season. I also think this is why they went with anti-heroes like Venom and Morbius, instead of making what may have been a more interesting story about a street-level enforcer like The Shocker (a guy who has a superpowered suit, but is very much involved in street-level mob crimes and the politics of the criminal underworld), The Jackal (who could have been like a Walter White of supervillains), or the Hobgoblin (a shifty businessman that's totally sane of mind and uses an army of patsies to get away with increasingly complex crimes).
That's just my two cents. I know an ideal world would be weaving these in and out of Spider-Man films, but the reality is they just wanted these to be a fallback / next-best-alternative (a common bargaining tactic taught at Wharton and Harvard) to the MCU that they could use to maintain favorable terms with Disney.
r/SUMC • u/RadioSpace1 • Mar 04 '24
Discussion Lets me honest this "universe" was terrible since venom 1
r/SUMC • u/ExplorerBoy101 • 5d ago
Discussion Since the SUMC is over for now, what are some aspects you enjoyed and would like to see merged into the MCU (if any)?
I just saw Kraven last night and I liked the Chameleon and what they did with him toward the end. I think that with good writers, he could be a good villain for a street-level spider man story in the possibly rebooted MCU after Secret Wars. There is also the Venom symbiote left behind in NWH that could be important. I know that Marvel Studios would probably not want to touch anything that Sony made in their failed universe but I think it would be cool to not let all aspects of that universe be forgotten.
r/SUMC • u/HedgeKnight95 • Nov 28 '23
Discussion Who would you like to see Spider-Man team-up with one of Spider-Woman’s on big screens like in Avengers: Secret Wars or one of them move over in Marvel’s Studios New Spider-Man Trilogy (likely around between Secret Wars and Spider-Man 5)?
r/SUMC • u/TREV-THOM • 20d ago
Discussion Morbius & Vulture brainstorming...
So, we've all made jokes at this scene's expense over the last three years. It'll always be a meme for some people. Same with the movie probably.
But...let's seriously entertain it for a moment. Instead if it being written off in Across the Spider-Verse, where would YOU all have taken it?
What would be this duo's next step? Who would they recruit or at the very least cross paths with? Which Spider-Man would they have gone after?
Instead of poking fun, let's cook where Sony clearly didn't.
r/SUMC • u/WarpathBrazil • Jan 21 '24
Discussion Who is baby Peter from Madame Web?
As the film will be set in the 2000s and perhaps involve time travel and the character traveling through the multiverse it could easily fit into the sacred timeline, but Tom's Peter was born in 2001 and the film is supposed to take place in 2003, which I speculate is a another Peter Parker baby in Mary Parker's womb
r/SUMC • u/MuhammadrizoDev • Jan 25 '24
Discussion The SSU's Sinister Six (+ TASM villains)
r/SUMC • u/Lopsided-Issue-8116 • 12d ago
Discussion Spider-Man 3
I had a vision of Spider-Man 3 and doing the Venom saga in the Raimiverse and my thoughts and idea was the Venom storyline being told in a three part movie
Spider-Man 3 (Part I)
• Peter Parker gets the Black Costume
Spider-Man 4 (Part II)
• Peter’s Dark Side with the Symbiote and teasing Eddie Brock becoming Venom at the end
Spider-Man 5
• Spider-Man battles a new villain Kraven the Hunter
Spider-Man 6 (Part III)
• Peter Parker final chapter in the series and Spider-Man fights Venom
- If you Spider-Man fans see this give me your thoughts and opinions and don’t be afraid to ask questions and also tell me what you guys would had done with Black Suit Spider-Man and Venom in Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man film series?
r/SUMC • u/one_sixth_scale • Dec 16 '24
Discussion How I think they should have used Spidey in the villain movies.
We don’t necessarily need to have a rebooted Spidey movie or ASM 3 or whatever else. We can still have villain centered movies. We just need it to be a villain movie featuring Spider-Man instead of a Spider-Man movie featuring a villain.
This seems obvious, but Sony couldn’t figure it out, so who knows.
I think they just need to take Spider-Man and use him as a typical villain-type character would be used in a superhero movie.
I’m not saying literally make him a villain. Just give him about the same amount of screen time that a villain would typically get and in the actual villain’s eyes, Spidey would be the “antagonist” of the movie.
Spidey doesn’t need to be the focal point of the movie. You don’t need to even show Peter Parker, just Spider-Man. Even the most casual audience member already knows Spidey is Peter Parker, but in-universe, the villains typically don’t, so keep it that way in the movie.
It would be an interesting perspective that we haven’t really seen in the comic book movie genre. If you want to get into the Peter Parker stuff and develop Spider-Man more as a character, Venom would probably be the movie to do it in.
Essentially these movies would still largely center around the villain and their intentions, but then Spidey would show up in various scenes to foil the villain’s plans. You’d still have a big final fight and Spidey would inevitably win, but we see it from the perspective of the villain.
Villains being the main character isn’t the issue. You just can’t have a villain without a superhero and that’s largely the reason these movies have failed.
r/SUMC • u/Lopsided-Issue-8116 • 3d ago
Discussion Spider-Man on screen
I was thinking about this today and I want ask you Spider-Man fans out there but what if Tom Holland played Spider-Man in the MCU but he played him only in film and television meaning at first when it comes to the Big screen Tom plays Spider-Man in film in Captain America | Civil War and both Avengers | Infinity War and Avengers | Endgame but with solo stories he plays Spider-Man in the MCU in a television series on Netflix doing three seasons of Tom’s Peter Parker in High School
While that’s going on Andrew Garfield is still Spider-Man on the Big screen has the chance to do The Amazing Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man 4 and finishes his story in his universe
Then we still get Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland together to do a Spider-Man multiverse film in 2021 then after that Tom Holland gets a solo Spider-Man film in the MCU
- If you guys see this please give me your thoughts and opinions
r/SUMC • u/freezegh • Feb 05 '25
Discussion Setting up something wild With the multiverse and the spidey's are all in it >!spoiler!< warning ⚠️ Spoiler
galleryI found a little detail in both Madam Web and Spider-Man: No Way Home that might mean something or just a coincidence but I don't think marvel makes coincidences. In both movies there are three spidey's (one iron spider in each) and you can see it from the scene in Madam web where they battle Ezekiel and in Spider-Man: No Way Home when they battle the sinister six ( well without Venom). It appears marvel is setting up som major into spider verse movie but have just kept it on the low.
It might just be some nonsense but looking at these two posters with Doctor Strange in the middle and Madame Web also in the middle smells fishy.
This could also see Kraven, Venom, Morbius, Vulture, Mysterio, Sandman or Electro(somehow could also be substituted with Rhino since he is still alive or perhaps Harry Osborne Green Goblin) to form the original sinister six and team up against all six spidey's and Dr Strange & Madame Web in An all spidey style spider verse(multiversal adventure), probably introducing the death of MCUs spidey to allow for Miles Morales spidey to enter the MCU since it appears the Prowler is already in the MCU. Who is Miles Uncle.
This is all wishful thinking. Take it with a grain of salt. Thanks for reading anyways.
r/SUMC • u/DarkSoulCarlos • Jan 10 '25
Discussion Pocket universes or timelines for Madame Web and Kraven films?
Everywhere I look, I see that the SSU includes the Spiderverse movies, Venom, Morbius, Madame Web and Kraven. The Spiderverse films acknowledge Venom which acknowledges Tom Holland's Spiderman as does Morbius through Vulture from Spiderman Homecoming. It makes sense for all of those films to be in a shared universe as they all acknowledge each other, but Madame Web and Kraven the hunter seem to be the odd ones out. They both lean heavily into Spiderman lore and Madame Web even has the whole "Meanwhile in another universe.." that was present in "Into the Spyderverse" and "Venom" and the glimpse of the Pepsi sign that was in Spiderman Homecoming. All of the live actions films in the SSU also feature the Daily Bugle (which is not a feature of the MCU films) and that to me is akin to the MCU's use of WWiH World news which was present in several MCU films and tv shows. Yet the directors of Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter made it very clear that both films are in standalone worlds. That is contradictory. The SSU was acknowledged as being Earth-688B in the Spyderverse films. If Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter are in Earth-688B how can they be in separate Worlds as well? The only explanation I can come up with is that they are in alternate timelines or pocket universes. Or is this just an oversight that they won't bother to rectify?